/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

hello i am begnor in art please tell me most effective way of in art

Reference 01

Reference 02

Reference 03

bbq ribs reference

Reference 04

Reference 05

ms paint is fun

is the torso too big?

>>4777016
Little too long, pelvis area for sure. Head and face is too small.

Study of upper leg anatomy from imagination, i feel like ii'm still fucking up the muscles form and proportions, any help ?

>>4777035
Use refs to check your work and keep up the practice!

>>4777035
where's the ass

>>4776640
I realized half way through this that I shouldn't have used the darker color for the skin because it looks orange so now people will think it's trump but I don't really care I guess.

>>4777094
It's too late anon I'm going to reply to Trump's next tweet as quickly as I can and attach pic related. It'll be the perfect bait and before you know it it'll be on boomer humor

>>4777094
yeah i instantly thought it was trump

>>4777094
>>4777098
>>4777100
its actually this fat youtuber

Repostin from tail end of last.

>>4776531
>>4773322 (You)
Finally got time to sit down with this.

Advice on how to face?

I also want to push myself to ink something because I know I will have to work on that eventually and might as well practice now. Any good resources on what to use and where to start?

I hate hands.

>>4773351
Thanks man. I looked at this for a while wondering why it looked so god damn uncomfortable and what I could do to fix it.
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>>4776531 (You)
The face/head/hair I want to try and replicate for what it's worth.

>>4777116
>>4776533

The face/head/hair I want to try and replicate for what it's worth.

Study of ryoichi ikegami. Working on inking technique.

Here's that sweet weed crab wasn't fast enough for last thread

>>4777094
P good sumo dude, isnt it annoying when you hit the rings of the notebook and still got shit to draw like that

Just got a display tablet, heres my first painting

>>4777233
And here's the reference I used

>>4776640
Why does this guy keep making threads with his dumb drawings

bros i don't feel so good after reading through this anon's blog
>https://minimumwagesketchbook.com/
years of grinding while chasing after the dream of making it while at a wagie job sounds romantic but soul crushing

This is the reference: https://previews.123rf.com/images/gualberto107/gualberto1070805/gualberto107080500169/3087003-double-barrel-shotgun.jpg

I feel like i nailed the reflections from lighting but maybe not the shading. Also, this started out as an attempt to copy it as well as i could but along the way i just noticed i had to start over to nail it picture perfectly so i just kept doing my own thing, should i start over in the future?

Also, im not quite sure its a good idea to keep the lines when youre doing lighter and darker areas because these two styles maybe dont mix well? Should i use lines as a first draft and then change it into lighter and darker shades to mark different shapes and objects?

>>4777213
Awesome

Question. Instead of drawing the sphere first and sectioning off the sides for a facing forward head, couldn't I just draw the egg shape from the jump?

breaking in new tablet, left pic is reference

>>4777256
im doing it and its not bad at all. it all depends on the wage job .

>>4777094
>>4777224
fixed up the colors a bit

>>4777257
Did you do a sketch or a rough outline before starting painting? If not I think you should as there's quite a few incosistencies with the reference picture to do with where things are in relation to eachother. If you can clean that up it should be easier for you to see where the shadows should be.

Your colours are a little off but in this situation thats not a massive issue, I think you need to work on not being affraid to add dark shadows to your work as a lot of places where it should be black or close to black.

Also just try to add some texture to the wooden pieces as its a good thing to practice and it should probably help the piece feel more realistic.

>>4777267
Tools not rules, the more you draw you'll find shortcuts like that, if you can draw a good head at the end of it that's all that matters

>>4777267
don't, you're a beginner, do the whole process for now, taking shortcuts will only make you do more errors

>>4777322

I think this is great. Very stylized, works very well and what you are going for is instantly recognizable.

My feedback:

Some of his "fat folds" especial in his calves make it look a bit like a melting candle, and it's a bit distracting.

>>4777284
The space between the ring and middle finger is a bit too large which is causing it to make more of a U-shape instead of a V-shape.

Try it with your own hand, for me it feels very unnatural.

Right now it feels like the wrist and hand aren't connected.

Drawing this rn.

bros i saw a couple cliffs of the mountain and this journey is starting to feel impossible...

>>4776657
The shoes were tricky

>>4777256
>a blog, and it is alive
how did you find it? most of the ones I find web searching are dead

Today I shall post drawings for your eyes only, /ic/ /beg/
I too, anticipate more costly failure.

>>4777516
it's in the catalog, some guy wanting to make a drawing plan and everyone telling the /beg/ they're going to burn out

drawing from imagination

I guess I'm just looking for a sanity check on anatomy & proportions

Suggesting that we add this to the op copy pasta.

After disabling windows Ink I had less lag/ trouble drawing circle boxes etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfTN8Sy5tCM

>>4777016
I'm no expect but these are the issues that i saw, also she's a bit on the tall side not sure if that was intentional.

>>4777125
The face looks flat, try drawing this and post it.

https://combatpoochblog.wordpress.com/2015/04/22/face-planes-some-thoughts/

>>4777125
Try drawing this instead since it gives you different angles
https://i.imgur.com/ObFktcz.jpg

https://twitter.com/Ramon_N90/status/1291834030082662405?s=20

>>4777689
>>4777699
best i can do i laid it over after and realised the eyes are far down

>>4776701
why does his hair say AAA

Blog getting linked on /ic. Not sure if embarrassed or terrified

>>4777781
don't worry i could have a career in corporate accounting but i'm probably going to chase art and die alone in some ditch in yugoslavia

we're gonna make it

>>4777781
I wish more people had blogs, social media sucks

>>4777757
Not the best, but when I attempted to draw this I used these red lines to keep things centered? It's great to have a mark to know where things are

t e x t u r e

AHHHHHHHHHHH IT TURNS OUT I WASN'T EVEN AT THE PLATEAU BUT JUST ANOTHER ROCKY PATH

>>4777416
I wasn't trying too hard with the wrist, was mainly focusing on the hand. But thanks for the advice!
I'm trying to nail how to break down the hand into shapes I'm comfortable with, and I'm trying to apply Ethan Becker's view of how hands can be broken down into triangles but I just can't grasp it yet.

>>4777492
reminds me of jojo somehow

>confident line structure when looking at reference
>can't even draw simple shapes right when looking at my paper
i hate doing construction so much

>>4777963
because it's gay as fuck

>>4776651
after struggling with this garbage, it just becomes more and more important than perspective is the most important fundamental by far.

i tried my best

Copied this from my desk since I had only done a little drawabox stuff today. Glad I got my hand on a couple of them they're great for copying.

>>4778020
ooga booga draw big if close draw small if far away

>>4778028
Not the one I used but show me what you've got fellow /beg/s.

>>4778020
more like easily noticed if wrong

>>4778025
Guy, no one is going to hire you to do that dated shit. Find something modern to work from. Fundies dont mean you need a fucking time machine. Theres nothing about that style that is popular now, and you’re not going to bring it back.

>>4778052
b-b-but /ic/ said i need loomis

>>4778056
LOOMIS DOG SHIT GO GET AN ANATOMY/GESTURE/CONSTRUCTION COURSE FROM NMA

Torso day 3

Bridgman study and upper torso from imagination, I’ll update when I finish

man drawing gesture is soulcrushing, these are supposed to be the refs at start of thread, how many of these i gotta draw so they stop looking like shitty fighting polygon men

Drew these by hand with my handy stylus

where should I start? I draw a lot but I want to start studying because I haven't improved at all in a while

>>4778112
Read the sticky in the OP, retard

>>4778052
>>4778062
pyw

>>4776640
So I spend the last two hours learning anatomy with this course : https://memrise.com/course/87415/artistic-anatomy/
Memrise tells me that I should already have 51 words, many of which I've never heard of, in long term memory, but I feel like I've already forgotten everything.

>>4777035
The legs are tiny

>>4777233
Pretty good for a first try. Did you paint everything in one layer?

>>4777456
Proportions are nice.
You're chicken scratching though, try to use less and more confident lines.

>>4778052
>implying loomis specifically teaches you how to draw old school cartoons
>implying a style must be disregarded if it's old/unpopular
>implying everyone wants to take their hobby and turn it into a passion-crushing job
Post work, it surely must be shit considering how fucking stupid you are

>>4778152
>when you did the first year of medschool
>when you pass anatomy
tfw it didn't make me a better artist at all.

Any notes on this? Something feels off but im not quite sure what, i'm not super used to drawing faces from this angle so it might be an issue with that.

>>4777963
Ill take that as a compliment lol

>>4777213
Nice

>>4778212
The nose looks broken. If she turned and faced me straight forward. Her nose would be crooked as fuck.

>>4778212
Look at this hot garbage I made today.

How the hell do you shade hair and make it look nore dynamic? Fuck

Hey guys I am one of the anons that was practicing heads yesterday. Can someone post good references to practice? I will try to copy them.

>hu-whistle notch idea

>>4778108
do 1 hr of gestures per day for 2 weeks

>>4778108
A lot of them apparently.
My main struggle is turning my brain off and not overthinking and over-drawing instead of doing as little as possible to understand the forms

"Hey Crabs,
My name is Andrew, and I hate every single one of you.
All of you are fat, retarded, no-lifes who spend every second of their day looking at stupid ass paintings.
You are everything bad in the art world.
Honestly, have any of you ever gotten a commission?
I mean, I guess it's fun making fun of other /beg/s because of your own insecurities, but you all take to a whole new level.
This is even worse than jerking off to anime shit on twitter.

Don't be a stranger. Just hit me with your best shot. I'm pretty much perfect.
I was a animation director at disney, and story board artist on multiple films and cartoons.
What jobs have you gotten? Other than "Draw naked animal shitting on eachothers chest"?
I also get tons of commissions, and have a banging draw pad (just painted on it; Shit was SO cash).
You are all /beg/s who are never gonna make it so you should just kill yourselves. Thanks for listening.

Pic Related: It's me and my drawing pad."

>>4777322
TRUMO

>>4778159
Haha yeah how could you tell?

>>4776651
How did I do fellas?

Gonna be breaking all of these down tonight
Process is gonna be Trace/Breakdown, then Redraw, then compare the two and make note of my mistakes
Will update in a bit! After this I'll work on some anatomy.

Guys there is something wrong with the eyes but as I said before I am retarded. I flipped it horizontally and now want to kill myself

>>4778235
Your front needs multiple layers of hair, the top of the head needs some detail with hair direction (leave the middle crown-ring area as is) and work on smoother lines around the sides.

>>4778308
Well I've certainly discovered my most GLARING issue lmao
Any good tips from you guys for practicing proportions?

>>4778320
Seems easy enough to fix.

>>4778304
shave off like at least 25% of the butt and butt-leg connection region and you fucked her arm real good but keep going

>>4777035
>>4777039
Yeah will do
>>4778155
Yep i guess i need to begin studying from reference i was just practicing muscles placement.

This is it for today

>>4778345
Had to scale down the redraw again because it was too big but I think my proportions in the head have already marginally improved.
Overall though I need to work on construction and overall proportions more

Nothing takes the fun out of drawing like having to draw something you fucking hate

>>4778404
why not draw what you like?

>>4778404
Women?

>>4778348
Yeah I used a fucking ruler to measure and understood what I did wrong with the eyes. I did not fix it I just wrote some notes down explaining what is wrong. I will try to draw it again after a couple of days

>>4778404
Just do 50-50. Grind some fundamentals and then draw whatever you like trying to apply what you learned

>>4778373
Anon I will try your way of practicing, seems fun and really good for learning

>>4778418
It's a method of Ethan Becker's that I'm trying.
I just hope I can learn how this construction works and apply it to original pieces

>>4778108

Hear me out. Gesture is a constantly evolving aspect of your figure drawing. Do it and then move on. Add a lot of copying where you don’t understand things. It will eventually click but don’t keep practicing gesture without continuing your education. You’ll just be frustrated and confused. Move on and keep evolving. Best of luck!

>>4778373
Yup, definitely going to have to grind out construction.
Time to watch some vids tonight about doing that, for now I'll do some anatomy work.

Trying some real life studies for help with construction

>>4778475
Just do BJJ

Take extreme leadership

Just a sketch. Lost the lean in the spine from the reference and >hands.

>>4778212
I would say the eye on the left is too small. Usually what helps is to flip the image and correct sizing. If on paper turn it around and place a light source behind it to see.

>>4778320
The one on the right is slightly larger. Also you need to add a water line to the lower part of her eyes.

I'm struggling with prespective and anatomy and i can't convince my brain that certain parts are supposed to look shorter or longer than they actually are.

>>4778746
seems like you're on the right path.
keep doing what you're doing, and try to improve each time.

>>4778769
will do

>>4778249
This guy's demonstration videos are top notch

>>4778320
they are symbols and uneven.

>>4778320
>I flipped it horizontally and now want to kill myself
Don't do it. They make you do Bargue plates in Hell.

>>4778200
cute, but flat, thinking about the cross-contour lines help me with that.

>>4778844
Thanks! I do that sometimes like with the design on the shirt, but i don't know how to make clothing folds without them making the drawing even more flat like in the right pic.

>>4778234
the patterns, on the mask principally, are noisy. maybe that "big medium small" thing would help.

>>4778235
it is flat, think about the forms and how they move in the 3d space. also keep the proportions in mind, use some reference for the proportions maybe. one of those that shows the proportions, every drawing book as one.

>>4778404
just change your mindset, you are not having fun because you decide that you shouldn't be having fun. every drawing is the same, you are just making marks on the paper.

>>4778561
the expressions are nice

>>4778706
if feel like there is some reference that I am not getting here.

>>4778746
you forgot to apply the normal map and the bump map on the floor model

>>4778876
the what now

>>4778876
oh took me a second lol. you're a funny man anon.

>>4778235
I like this, do you have blog?

>>4777607
Very impressive for imagination drawing, start putting clothes and shit on them

>>4778746
Iove the birds eye

>>4778706
You would benefit from doing this traditionally at first with a 3B or 4B pencil. Looks great though

>>4778871
It's just this

Forgive me /ic/ for I have sinned.
It has been... over a month since my last drawing.
Please accept these tits as a humble offering.

>>4778959
nice gyno faggot

Feels

>>4778475
That's the neck of a heroic male figure

Can someone please guve me some critique/advice on the rendering of this face? Im a little scared to do the hair.

>>4779231
to render you need to know the angles that face the light, to know the angles you need to do the planes of the face. You do not know the planes of the face so how can you possibly render? you can just blindly guess on shadows, dont get into rendering until you can actually draw and understand wtf youre trying to draw, so go do buccis course and study the asaro head

just here to remind all you begs that
vincent van gogh didnt start drawing until he was 27.
its never too late

>>4779394
george bush started painting at age 66 hes pretty good

What r these cool shapes? Single line

>>4779435
spirals duh

Also would like to remind /beg/s that as you improve you will get much faster. You stop needing to fuss around and fix things because you get them right the first time. What used to take a week will take a day. What used to take a day will take an hour.

>>4778249
>>4778786
Who's him?

>>4779221
Is this a Huston reference?

>>4778427
>>4778252
taking both your advices thanks

left is trace, right is redraw
I think I'm quickly getting a better understanding of the planes of the face, but could still use some more work.
I definitely need to find a way to more reliably draw the eyes and brow ridge, as well as the mouth, but I suppose that anatomy work will fix that quickly.
Any advice from you guys would be appreciated

How long do I have to grind to grind loomis heads?

>>4779699
Until you get it right

>>4779805
ah yes, the terror that hides underneath my bed

>>4778942
thanks

>>4779843
he ate the last 46

>>4779699
Until you realize you should have started with Bucci

>>4778249
>Here we're seeing a bit more of that digastric plane

>>4779858
Where should I start with Bucci?

>>4779888
episode 1 understanding the planes or whatever the fuck its called, go to the pdf torrent video thread thing

>>4779888
Don't get me started on starting with Bucci

>>4779888
https://mega.nz/file/%20pb4VTJ6L#SH0dL3-vBUCyyA_V13-vodDGUvOZ5L1pImHTXrEuqcs

>>4779896
corrupted mate

>>4779899
my bad, blank space wasn't meant to be there
https://mega.nz/file/pb4VTJ6L#SH0dL3-vBUCyyA_V13-vodDGUvOZ5L1pImHTXrEuqcs

Digital is cheating

I'm starting to realize I might need a little more than a caveman's understanding of perspective for intro level figure drawing.

5 minutes studies using vilppu´s spherical forms video.
Am I feeling the form?

>>4780009
>>>>>>Kek

is this the drawback to the dark power?

how r these for one minutes ?

I should switch back to doing gestures.

>>4778584
>>4778788
Thank you! I used a ruler and saw these errors. I will try using some measurement tools
>>4778808
Sh..should I try doing that?

im trying at backgrounds, but i always get stuck at this point, when i remove the sketch below it gets horrible and adding line makes it more cartoonish

>>4780135
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSzB3ESpfE0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpejM-T9YG0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q93lxtoVLJw

>>4779227
i like it

>>4780183
so i'm not doing anything right? : /

Turbo beginner here. Decided to take a brake from drawing boxes and lines to try to draw a thing.

When shading, specifically darker colors, how do I make it not look like it was drawn by a pencil?

>>4780208
looks good to me

>>4780175
hard round brush with 100% opacity

>>4780211
practice

ellipses are so hard

>>4778706

>>4779471
steve huston
his head construction lessons are great

>>4778706
goddamn how do you get your faces so detailed, what even is your canvas size

i don't agree with how low mussowhatever's face is positioned but goddamn it's still really nice

>>4780335
4k x 4k

>>4780127
bump

heads

Bridgman and Bammes torso studies

>>4780364
Sorry for the file size

>>4780362
imagination?

>>4780190
Thanksssss

>>4780366
Those look really good, have you study anatomy before or you started with Bridgman?

>>4780373
Yeah I did a bit of Proko and Vilppu before.

>>4780368
yeah
except for the dude with the cap, i referenced him from the KJG artbook

>>4780380
Which one you think helps more?

They say to get better at drawing what you want you have to draw what you want. I want to draw shortstack. Left is a work I put a lot of effort into but right is something I did quickly. Should I do more of right or left?

>>4780388
Left obviously
It seems like more effort now but doing it more will make it seem like less and less effort over time.

>>4780388
>They say
Who's 'they'?

If you want to get better at drawing shortstack, learn fundamentals first then simplify and stylize.

>>4780385
Vilppu helped a lot, Proko was good at first but left me a bit confused because at the time I was fairly new to figure drawing. I only watched Vilppu’s videos about volumes because the anatomy ones feel like drawing the rest of the owl. After doing vilppu I studied from reference a lot and cross-checked muscle placements and insertion points with Goldfinger’s anatomy for artists.

>>4780335
also thanks

I know blaming your tools is such a beginner level cope but I genuinely have no fucking clue what brushes to use for the hair without it looking like shit. Part of me is beginning to think I actually genuinely do have to draw in every strand individually to make it look believable. This is what I had before I deleted it and started from scratch.

I'm only interested in doing the hair for this practice so I'm not gonna bother with everything else.

been practicing figures for so long i forgot how fun it was to just draw heads.

Been doing steve huston beginner head drawing, i will finish it in one week give or take. I want to dive on figure drawing should i go with Steve Huston Beginner Figure Drawing or with Proko figure drawing.

>>4780214
ok, ill try it

Continuing with the 300 heads exercise

>>4780453
You have to break down the hair into larger forms. Look at how it's done in sculptures. Search the archives for a Masters Study Pack, there are lots of good reference there.

>>4780467
Looking nice! I suggest you buy a proper drawing notebook tho

>>4780620
keep at it anon i believe in you

>>4780654
Thank you, anon. I hope to get it finished in about 40 days

>>4780648
I sort of understand the macro "how" to draw hair but not the micro how to actually make the strokes and what brushes to use and how to actually make it come out decent.

Should I learn to draw ? I draw once in a while and people seem to like what I do although I have 0 theory and knowledge

Honestly I dont understand why people are impressed by drawing from references. I just brainlessly copy what I see. Drawing from imagination is the real stuff but I suck at it

>>4780743
Why do you draw
Do you have fun drawing
Are you content with your current level
wether you should improve or not depends on your answers to the above

>>4780759
I have a lot of fun drawing, thats why I do it, although not enough to draw more than a couple of times in a week. I would get serious about it if I knew I could become professional one day. But I have no idea how much time and work I would need to put in it in order to get that good. that's why I show you my drawing, to know If I have potential to bypass some theory

>>4780374
Some feedback on this one?

>>4780778
one of the most important skills an artist must have is observation and you seem to have it so yes, i would say you have potential.
how long it's gonna to make it "professionaly" depends on the field you want to make it in, your commitment and your willingness to improve.

>>4780787
post the reference

>>4780796

thanks, I needed to hear that to get going

>>4780708
I know what you mean, I have a hard time doing that too. I think in the end it's down to exploring and experimenting until you get it

>>4780807
happy drawing, go to the resources thread and grab the basics

>>4780807
don't forget to read the sticky, it's in the OP

>>4779735
symbol drawing

Mobile fucking up color profiles, it looks way darker that it is on my desktop. Anyway, coming back from a 10 year hiatus, I feel I've never left /beg/. This is a cyberpunk nun I drew yesterday.

>>4780135
well I can read the pose, so i guess that is fine

>>4780197
for such dynamic pose, drawing the head in a straight profile like that kinda ruins it

>>4780197
clean up your lines

>>4780362
that up right one looks good, such nice expression.

>>4780374
the eyelids look a little thin to me, we should be able to see some of that pink surface

>>4780467
from imagination? either way looks good.

also you could get some cheap print paper too.

>>4780396
>I only watched Vilppu’s videos about volumes because the anatomy ones feel like drawing the rest of the owl
yeah that's how it feels to me
im doing a course called "rey's anatomy" and it's extremely good. he goes very in depth with all the different mucles from different angles and teaches them at a slow pace.

>>4780490
huston if you get through the head drawing

>>4781218
>>4780648
Yeah i ran out of paper and it was night so i couldn't buy any yet and i really wanted to draw something dark Souls.
either way i ended up fucking it up, i have no idea what i was thinking lol.

I don't get figure drawing at all.
So i need to start with drawing gestures before going into anatomy & proportion,
but the book talks about all these force thing, which it doesn't teach you how to find the force, but show you the force and tell you "look, this is the force.",
then talk about how it's not about the contour or the body, focus only on the force,
Immediately, they started drawing the contour and the body on the force, asking me to feel the form.

What did they skipped? why?
How can i feel the form if i don't even know the body's anatomy?
How do i find the force?
From what i see, they are only drawing part of the contour, but exaggerate the lines, making it more curvy.
What is this balance thing they are talking about?
If my figure is not standing, shouldn't it have uneven balance? Like when it's mid-air, or running, or pulling something.
Are these something that i can only get from an art teacher and not from a book?
Please help, i'm very very confused and reading books doesn't help me at all.

>>4781235
tbqh it looked really cool in the thumbnail.
shame the values are all over the place.

Okay, shesh. I did it, as an refreshment of an old drawing of mine, i did in school. It was years ago. Is it any good, or im just being led on?

>>4781248
>i did in school
Was it high school? kids are easily impressed.

>>4781251

No no, i made a drawing, simliar to this in high school, and nowadays, when im outta school i remade it as a vector.

>>4781240
>So i need to start with drawing gestures before going into anatomy & proportion
not really, gesture is more of a exercise for you to study the figure afik.

>FORCE
I reading that FORCE book? I just started reading the FORCE, the point of the FORCE is just for you do develop the FORCE's mindset. you need to feel the FORCE.

but really tho I think the force thing is just, "one muscle pull and another push"

>>4781248
it is ok

>>4781537
>gesture is more of a exercise for you to study the figure afik.
If that's the case, why don't gesture come after learning anatomy and proportion?
Why do all lessons start with gesture drawing?
And why don't i draw basic shapes to study the figure? Or even the form.
Instead of using something abstract like the force, or feel.

>>4781544
>If that's the case, why don't gesture come after learning anatomy and proportion?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Thh4JXnVtxM

>>4781557
1) you learn to draw gesture without knowing anatomy or proportion
2) The gesture somehow have anatomy & proportion based on the books & lesson, just because
3) Drawing gestures with none/wrong anatomy & proportion is somehow gonna help fix your stiffness, just because
How does this make sense if there's so many Just Because voodoo magic?

Having a lot of trouble lately. Drawing while high just ain’t working anymore. Only salvageable thing from yesterday.

>>4781571
>The gesture somehow have anatomy & proportion

is doesnt 'somehow' you use your god damn eyes, dont think of gesture as the first step to drawing the body, you never ever stop drawing gesture it is a life long lesson that you will continue with througought your career, and the better you get at drawing the more youre realise how important gesture is and take lessons from it, you feed of gesture it improves you and you improve it, its not a one stop thing

>>4779231
Rendering should be the least of your worries at this point.

>>4781585
>you use your god damn eyes
I thought we should draw the force and feel, not the contour and body?

>it is a life long lesson
So you mean as long as i know the concept of gesture exists, i can move on to the next lesson already?
If i can skip it and move on, it's extremely stupid to put gesture as the first lesson for every books/teaching.

>>4781248

And another one of those.

My friends tell me it's "good, awesome" and everything, but... with all honesty, if all i'm getting is that kind of critique, i just wonder if it's them being nice, or am i kinda paranoid

>>4780743
Drawing from imagination is essentially drawing from your visual library. You need references for that.

And you can "draw from imagination" using references as well. References help guide you. For example, you can use a snake reference to see how the scales should look on that picture (assuming the body is a snake, but you get the idea). If you brainlessly just copy what you see, then you're not using reference material correctly.

>>4780127
Bump

>>4781612

There is not much to say, for there is not much to see

>>4781602
well yes but when you use a reference your still going to roughly match the proportions, youre not going to have an arm flying off, gesture is good to get the rough flow and feel of a body, to get a simple understanding of how it moves and feel

and yes you can move onto the next lesson but you never move on from gesture, you do gesture forever, its an amazing warm up tool and you should do it daily but just dont get too caught up in it

benniger artist

>>4781544

>If that's the case, why don't gesture come after learning anatomy and proportion?
>Why do all lessons start with gesture drawing?

why would a exercise to study the figure come after you already learned the figure?
also I don't remember of any figure drawing book/course that start with gesture tho

>And why don't i draw basic shapes to study the figure? Or even the form.
isn't this what the maniquenization is all about it?

>Instead of using something abstract like the force, or feel.
I wouldn't call "feel the form" of abstract, if that what you mean, it is just telling you to keep the form in mind to describe the form.

>>4781603
They're not lying, they're just wrong. Most people who don't draw can't really tell whether a drawing is good or not. You need to train your eye to notice if something is shit.
Not that this is particularly bad, mind, except for the anatomy. I like what you did with the moon symbol. I'd recommend practicing some figure drawing, just to get a sense for where the eyes are supposed to be and so on.

>>4781576
the head looks weird, don't know why. I want to say it is too small, but it does have the same proportion that you always use, doesn't it?

>>4781651

I did not intended the lower part as a whole torso, but you're right - just now i see where i did put his eyes.

Thank you for that. It's first, another comment than "good, fantastic, okay, not my style" in a while

>>4781648
>why would a exercise to study the figure come after you already learned the figure?
How else would you exercise the figure before learning the figure?
Will you asks someone to practice drawing exercises like bean torso without teaching someone how to even draw the bean?

>also I don't remember of any figure drawing book/course that start with gesture tho
Proko's video did. Villpu's video did.
Force: Dynamic Life Drawing for Animators did.
Figure Drawing: Design and Invention by Michael Hampton did.
The Vilppu drawing manual did.

>isn't this what the maniquenization is all about it?
Exactly, why am i not studying with that?
Why am i drawing some scribble lines gestures and pretend i understand it?

>I wouldn't call "feel the form" of abstract
I'm saying force.
Force.

>>4781664
If anything it's a little bigger than normal, end I drew the eyes proportionately larger. I think it looks a little ... girly?
Thanks for noticing, though.

>>4781628
Too horny and obviously a boomer drew it

is straight up copying from a refrence still a viable way of training, cause when i do it i feel like im cheating

>>4781703
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OVUupJ4iqQ

>>4781703
show reference

>>4781721

>>4781703
I don’t think it’s cheating if it helps you to understand the thing you want to draw, but it is a bit meaningless if you
copy the values and colours when your goal is to study the form of the face. I think that drawing contour lines and trying to rotate the reference in space helped me to get out of the Monday that using reference is cheating.

>>4781703
nice anon, did you have an under drawing or just go straight into painting? if you had a sketch can i see it, also if you us krita what brush did you use for painting?

>>4781729
I actually do use krita and this is probably my favorite brush. I went straight to painting but i had to trace the hair from the photo tho cause it was really hard

>>4781750
so that was the only brush you used for the whole thing?

>>4781750
any clue why i dont have it?

>>4781757
yeah i think so

>>4781760
isnt it this one?

>>4781760
It's right there on your pic.
I bet you're not good with the IQ tests.

>>4781766
lol thanks, sometimes my stupidity even amazes myself

Working on poses. Pretty pleased with the one with the legs pressed against one another - not really feeling the others are as exciting.

Will I make it if I use traditional media and use books and magazines as reference? I just want to dropkick my computer into a landfill.

is this butterfly good

>>4781901
My incredibly armature opinion the first one looks good because the energy feels consistent throughout the pose. The legs are squeezed, the shoulders raised, the arms straightened. But then on the legs extended they're nice and relaxed, but there's still these tense shoulders and arms that just seem to clash. A more reclined spine and dropped shoulders to make the pose look more "relaxed" might make it more cohesive.

>>4781677
I don't understand, don't they teach you how to do gesture, then ask you to do gesture to learn more about the figure? are you saying that those courses don't teach you gesture?

>>4781901
she looks like she's getting ready to spread her legs

>>4781603
>>4781248
Looks like illustrator linework, or line smoother. Shitters get impressed by unwavering lines easily.
Also it's more difficult to criticize drawings of things that don't exist and dismiss it with " it's just an artstyle", but you can see where your true ability lies when looking at the bart Simpson shoe hooves and the overall flatness of the drawings.
Good enough to make stickers of though

>>4782063
Is that good, or bad?

>>4776640
Is this video good for learning which style I have?

https://youtu.be/NEvMHRgPdyk

>>4782273
No. It's trash as evidenced by its trash results

I want to die

>>4782292
Here's the ref
I gave up like not even half way through because it's fourth time i try to draw it today
Tbh its the best try i had

>>4782292
why'd u pick such a shit ref lol

now its not the refs fault your doodle is not so great looking, but the position and ref is just horrible... scroll to the top of the thread and use the refs there

>>4782306
>unable to draw a reference unless the person is really buff and has the light shining on them at a certain angle

>>4782306
>Ref can be bad
Fuckn me then. I picked it beacause the weirdest thing there are his hands on his hips the rest looked prette straight forward.

How do i event know if some random google image i try to draw od good or not

>>4782314
It's bad for studying because it's too blurred and hardly has any contrast. Don't just pick a random bnw pic. You may even pick a color one and desaturate it if you want.

>>4782314
>Unclear ref with baggy clothing and hand positions that are hard to draw successfully for a beg

>>4782273
>shit audio quality
>keeps repeating that drawing from imagination is bad, doesn't explain why
>instead goes on inane tangents about the linework in some children's animation
>later the audio becomes even shittier, as a joke
This has got to be the most irritating art video I have ever seen. I don't know if this guy's right or wrong, but I do know I never want to see any of his videos again.

>>4782292
>>4782300
kek

>>4782273
Feels a bit algorithmic but yeah, just pay attention to what type of art you like, study it, replicate it and mix them up with each other. Drawing from imagination sounds like a hard and inefficient way to find your style, it might work, but I think merging existing styles is an easier way to get started.

>>4782292
Iten's accuracy guide

>>4782322
forget google and use this

https://modelindexdatabase.smugmug.com/Croquis-Cafe-Model-Photo-Database

use the password ENTER

>>4782292
That's just the life of us begginers. Finish it out and move on. Like a manlet we can make the quickest gains.

>>4781596
So then what should be my worries?
>inb4 loomis

>>4782675
>>4779258

How do I draw better realistic eyes?

>>4782818
by not symbol drawing..

>>4782818
You should be more worried with drawings lips, friend

any criticism is welcome. This one was especially difficult because i had no idea how to handle the "metal" look. And you can tell the rat was kinda shoehorned in at the top.

>>4782851
gmi

still quite /beg/ but I can see you making it, anon

>>4782859
Thanks! Do you have any critique for me, friend?

Is this crap fixable? mainly the anatomy at the shoulders.

>>4782865
Disgusting, delete this

Im drawing some pixelshit for /v/ risk of rain threads.

What you guys think?
How can I improve my mspaint-fu

>>4782903

>>4782903
The cigarette should highlight features on the chest and front nose area as well as the hands, the shadow between the eyes is a good start.

>>4782905

>>4782860
ye sure

Mouse/rat doesnt have nearly any detail on it and doesnt have any shading to depict form. The rat also seems to be standing in just the wrong position entirely. I think the rat could also be a bit bigger. You did a good job with shading the metal but it looks kind of fuzzy instead of metallic in some areas so I'd try to fix that up. If you need a reference for how to make metallic texture I'd recommend looking at Riot games' splash art of some of their metallic skins like pic related.

The skin line here is called mecha kingdoms.

Gl fren

>>4782902
>he can't into 2D PTP
ngmi

>>4782902
I dont think its a kid.. I mean, breasts like that?

>>4782818
stop symbol drawing and understand the planes of the face

>>4782906
Wasnt sure how to actually do the highlight.
I chose to highlight the darkest shade and left the rest.

Should I have used a darker highlight for the chest?

>>4782921
Think of the light being produced from the lighter as a small sphere, and its area of effect covers the face and chest area.
Use lighter highlights to show the contours of the chest area and a darker one where the face covers the neck, because the face is blocking the light and will make the neck area darker. It'll also help make the head and neck more distinct instead of blended like it is here.

>>4782911
It's obviously a minor, breasts or not

>>4782675
Knowing your shapes and forms first and foremost. Construction is your best friend. If you got the money, do Dynamic Sketching from CGMA. If you're short on money and don't mind excessive grinding, you can do DrawaBox. I recommend Dynamic Sketching because you get more personalized critiques and it doesn't grind excessive shit like DAB does. It also goes at a faster pace, which is nicer.

Then anatomy can come so you have a better understanding of the structure of the skull and head. Michael Hampton would be good at this point. Since your fundamental drawing skills should be alright from Dynamic Sketching, picking up on anatomy won't be as bad since you can see underlying forms in the anatomy.

Then comes lighting/material understanding. I recommend Izzy Medrano, as he covers basically everything you need to know about lighting and color.

>>4781775
work on your edges and structure

>>4782978
Thank you very much anon. Is there a formidable alternative to learning form and shapes? I dont have the money for dynamic sketching and ive heard that DAB kills people's motivation.

Inking on sketch paper. Eesh

I'll try to do 300 figures now

I'm possibly an idiot who thinks they're special, but is it alright if I skip some of the ball divided into eighths stuff in Fun With a Pencil? I looked forward in the book and tried the ball and plane method and that technique felt a lot more intuitive and the book more instructive in terms of understanding the shapes and therefore heads I'm drawing compared to the divided ball content that I've done proceeding it.

>>4783120
you don't have to ask for permission to skip some steps in a method. do what you think will make you improve the fastest, and even if skipping steps doesn't work for you, you can always go back and re-learn the method the proper way.

>>4782292
>>4782818
Go through the sticky.
Read some beginner books like keys to drawing.
It's good to develope some understanding of the fundamentals like shape, form, perspective, etc. but your main focus should be on accuracy for now.
As in proper measureing untill you develope a natural sense for it.
For that have a look up how to measure with a pencil and the block-in method.

Any advice on this? It feels like the mouth is really wrong

>>4783192
The mouth might look better if you did more of the same shading that you did on the rest of the face. Don't outline the lips, rather, show their volume with shading.

>>4782314
>straw man

>>4782614
nice expression

>>4782865
composition wise it is pretty boring, she is straight, in the middle of the frame.

perspective is fucked up. and everything in the background looks paper thin

the anatomy of the guy is pretty bad, that does not read like a torso at all. also it doesn't look like the dick is going inside the pussy

her anatomy for a cartoon is not that bad tho.

>>4782916
very nice, it has some jojo vibes

>>4783041
nice, is there a story behind it?

the perspective isn't good, lines that should be parallel are not parallel at all. also the head/neck looks a little smaller that it should be.

new thread

>>4783501
>>4783501
>>4783501
>>4783501
>>4783501

>>4783031
The reason I recommend those two is because you actually get critiques. That is so important at the beginning for an artist. They need to see what they are missing and getting wrong along with what they are getting correct.

I would say stick to one of those. BUT on the side, do you other work. The instructor at DAB is very stern on ensuring that you do art for fun, even when doing DAB. He even says to do a 50/50 split. So if you want to get better AND quicker, I think it's best you choose one of those. If motivation is a killer, then do the recommended drawing on the side for fun. After all, art is supposed to be enjoyable.

>>4782818


>>4782916
What this guy said.

>>4783692
Alright. I think I'll do DAB. My only question is whether or not they accept digital submissions. Atleast until I go out and buy supplies.

>>4784125
not op but the instructor only accepts pencil for lesson 1 homework, let alone digital. after that it all needs to be pen. So it's worth reading some of the topics, and the first homeworks (where it is just lines, no boxes yet) are good general warm ups and practices, so you can just do those for now as they're a good exercise to have in general.

trying to understand values, shapes and edges, what can i improve?

>>4784529

>>4784481
Sweet, a pencil will do. Thanks

>>4784530
i'm doing these after a long time without drawing, so i'm kinda remembering stuff, and there are huge intervals between drawings, thats why they are inconsistent.
I feel like i'm beggining to understand some stuff now, but i'm still pretty lost, what i'm doing wrong on the drawings?

>>4784125
>>4784481
>>4784882

This is OP again.

Actually, no. They only accept pen. To be specific, they would like a fineliner marker/pen. He goes into details on the lesson on what kind of supplies you need. And you really don't need much.

The main thing is pens and paper and maybe a straight edge for drawing some guidelines and perspective lines. You may want to get an ellipse guide later down the road.

Like I said, the site goes more into detail on the supplies needed.

Hey /ic/, what do you think of this rough skeleton? Anything I need to adjust before I go ahead with the greater details?