/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4766706
Reference 01

>>4766710
Reference 02

>>4766714
Reference 03

>>4766715
Reference 04

>>4766716
Reference 05

>>4766718
Reference 06

>>4766706
since no one gave me a serious reply I'm going to use the /ic/ torrent without a vpn, if I go to jail is on you /beg/

>>4766716
>>4766710
>>4766714
You're allowed more than 200KB you fool.
holy fuck take better quality pictures god damn you

first attempt in animation.

>>4766761
at least hes here contributing to the thread, if you want better quality references then post your own rather than complaining

>>4766761
Sorry I'm a phonefag. I'll post from computer next time

>>4766761
here draw this

>>4766766
Literally every time the thread is posted my contribution increases by one. I'll redline lots of drawings but id like for you to KILL YOURSELF.

>>4766769

>>4766771
you dont do shit now fuck off killing the mood no one wants your kind here

A nice warm up before I work on DAB and more perspective studies today.

>>4766715
figure drawing is very efficient at making you feel like shit

>>4766852
dont hide the feet, coward

step by step....

>>4766918
didnt select the resized one, sry

>>4766926
Hampton?

got bored of faces so drew a frog i saw in ff, might do an animal face as my face of the day but not sure if thats a good idea or not

>>4767005
/DAD/ just draw anon, or do an excercise if you have no inspiration atm.

coming back after a year of no art

>>4766852
nice

how to do something like this?

fucken kek. It took me 40 mnutes

>>4766706
anime hair is hard I'm ngmi dudes

>>4766765
not bad, but the whole face should move too to really sell the change in expression.

>>4767042
wtf is happening here, why does he have a tumour on his neck, show me the reference

>>4767044
its a neck wattle, dont you recognize the current US president

>>4767046
he looks like a black dude

>>4767047
thats cause he did the fusion dance with the last US president duh

>>4767038
He made her face 2D, tho. At this point (judging by drawing overall), not being just a bit familiar with the loomis method is odd.

>>4767039
BIG SHAPES

>>4767033

trying some collar bone

>>4767043
Thanks, I guess I'll make the head bob

>>4767068
that leg on the left is impossible and it feels off balance

>>4766907
I like the style bro

>>4766907
Photobash?

>>4766840
I think that head of the girl in the back is a little too big, and the other one needs a little more volume in the front of her hair.

I was dicking around with multiplying boxes and shit in perspective, then I dicked around more and studied some hands (the lighting was mostly just random and made up when I decided to color them in)

>>4767144
chirs dude
>>4767151
no it's out my head

>>4767038
Not the guy who drew it but probably just Keys to drawing, Iten's accuracy guide and practice/patience.

Doodled a monster girl, planning on fleshing out the concept a bit and making her into a real OC

>>4767189
uhhh MOOODDSSS

>>4767130
its not

>>4767202
Go suck on your dad's cock.

asaro head

So I did this study by:

1. Tracing the construction in red/blue.
2. Using said construction to draw line art.

Is this fine to do occasionally for practice, or should I just use observation for construction?

>>4767219
tracing is fine to do for realsies

>>4766710
This shits too difficult. I give up

Just kidding. Soon imma BTFO all you faggots

>>4767297
hmm. I messed up the hip motion. supposed to look like she's air-fucking someone...

>>4767297
I don’t know or care who you are, but there’s only room for one higher being in this world, and that title belongs to me

>>4767309
It's only a matter of time before you are surpassed, and in your blind braggadocios you'll be my unwitting assistant to your own demise. I shall soon call you my secretary. You should be proud.

drawing an hour a day isn't good enough, is it

>>4767323
Oh, you’re challenging me? Out of all the fools in this shithole rock we inhabit, you’re under the impression that you could conquer ME? If anything, (You) should be proud of the fact that a god like me is even responding to your absurd rambling you delusional narcissist. One day, it’ll be me at the top of this world, not (You), and your okaasan will call me daddy. Course, I don’t generally prefer used up wrinkly hags like that, but I imagine her oral skills will be quite developed from her general sluttishness, which might make for a decent blowjob. Imagine that, a man like me, granting your family the blessing of fellating me. Come to think of it, that would make me your step dad. I may have to discipline you if you keep back talking me then.

>>4767325
one hour of an excercise sure as long as your doing your studying right.

>>4767177
skull is a little small imo

>>4767325
idk, but I replaced videogames with art so it's well over an hour for me...

>>4767189
her eye is almost in front view and her face is almost a side view

>>4766852
Good hands and overall figure but agree with >>4766870

>>4767325
It's better than longer, less consistent practice.

>>4767325
just draw whenever you feel like it

>>4767358
this, i just have my tablet next to me and draw when i get the urge if thats anatomy than ok if its random faces or doing lanscapes then sure, im not going to artistically set out a period of time and grind it would just kill my love to draw, better to not force, literally just draw lol

>>4767325

I draw about one hour a day. not sure if I am improving that much, but I am pretty sure that I am improving.

also one hour it is better than nothing,

>>4766852
Are you minimumwagesketchbook?

>>4767296
Some proportion issues going on with those on top right and back view looks a bit stiff, but looks like you're doing good

>>4766706

I'm just starting out and all I have are erasers, 0.6mm technical pencils, 2B, 3B, 4B, 5B and 6B pencils.

What else to do I need?

>>4767189
I kneel lolichad

>>4767398
Some sort of pen/fineliner.

>>4767398
nothing else. i only use hb pencils and it works great.

>>4767398
some kind of paper to draw on

>>4767402
Is Ballpoint/Gel Ink good enough?
I don't think I could afford those technical pens.

>>4767420
I still use shitty ballpoints too. Perfectly fine, but obviously the linework won't be as good as digital or better pens.

>>4767414
stop posting this

>>4767189
the hair is amazing and the attention to the ribs are spot on. left shoulder and torso length could change

So I want to start painting, is there like a beginners kit I can get online? Like brushes, paints, and stuff? I want to paint art like this, I have a couple images in my head that I need to materialize, what kind of things would I need for a painting like this?

Thank you in advance.

>>4767454
That’s digital painting, you can tell by the repetitive patterns on the right. So if you want to do that, you’d need a tablet. To do it traditionally, messy paintings are usually made with oils, such as those by Ashley Wood

>>4767454
hate to break it to you bro...that's a digital painting

>>4767454
you need a tablet

>>4767462
Just any oil paint, or how does that work?

>>4767463
>>4767469

Can it be done the traditional way though?

i skipped a few days and i'm still trash but at least i can say i finished the book

>>4767478
Oil painting is a whole science an art, there’s thousands of books and tutorials on how to mix paint, what surface to use, what chemicals you need, what order you should follow. You need to be a craftsman to use oil paint

>>4767482
Is June 27 when you started drawing? If so, then despite the obvious shortcuts you took (poor reflection and choice of brush size), you're right where you need to be. Your perspective is alright and the chess piece is nicely detailed and only slightly asymmetrical. You might not see as much improvement than what you imagined when you started, but your self-critique means the book absolutely worked for you.

Keep drawing still lifes whenever you can, nothing too complicated, but also read a figure drawing book next. Huston's Figure Drawing for Artists is great.

Keep it up, anon. Draw everyday and never give up.

graduating to full environments now, any tips?

If I want to build a following online do I have to use Instagram? Right now I'm only using twitter and newgrounds. Really fucking hate instagram because it force crops your images but it's really hard to get people to notice you on twitter without trend hopping

>>4767527
No you don't have to join IG. You don't have to crop your photos, there's a button on the bottom right that will adjust the photo to full size, too
IG is even fucking worse, anon. Not because of the people so much, but because it's even harder to build a following unless you play the IG game

>>4767523
Your backgrounds look " good enough " to be some adventure time ripoffs by your figure needs work

>>4767033
go back lol

>>4766710
Loomis, I kneel.

>>4767155
Good call, thanks

>>4767530
It's not a fullscreen mode. Just a slightly larger image mode, but not enough to actually make a difference. Pic related is what I want to upload, but it's too tall to fit into the space. Also yeah Instagram sucks too but at least people actually look through the tags of their interests, on twitter people only look at what's trending so you have to rely of retweets. Why did Tumblr have to die right before I started posting?

>>4767454
bro i love disco elysiums artstyle - where did you get such a hi resolution pic? I have the artbook and theres nothing like this in there

How do I commit to a single piece for long enough to take it beyond just being a sketch?

>>4767580
1st sketch > mandatory 2nd sketch > optional 3rd sketch if the piece is complicated > lineart

>>4767588
Lmao can't you go straight to lineart?

>>4767367
yea

>>4767531
any specifics about the figure?

>>4766710
here's my attempt at figure drawing this

just remember, anons. If you ever feel like you are doing good with your reference, simply opacitate the reference and put your work over it to take that ego and feeling of pride down a notch or 25

>>4767478
i bet you could get something lookalike with acrylic. the effects, in the background, remind me of scrapbooking art. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZKFzzmy5gc

>>4767630
You got the gesture spot on, only things glaringly wrong are the back, left arm and gun position.

Being pixel perfect with contours is a trap to infinite study without any actual learning. It helps to be generally accurate to the reference, but understanding the underlying shapes are what separates the good from the bad. You've proven to understand the reference well.

>>4767652
well, thanks anon. I agree with everything you said about whats off, but mainly its me not working with the perspective. Fish eye references fuck you so hard and thats the reason I think its so off.. The perspective wasnt regestering as exaggerated for me. Still though, thanks anon. Its good to know I'm doing atleast a few things correct lol

>>4767094
It's not just a head bob, but forms like the cheek and nose will shift. Best way to figure it out is to see for yourself between 2 references of similar expressions.

>>4766714
One step closer I creep to being the worlds most renowned artist and inner-city philanthropist. Look upon my gains, AND DESPAIR.

>>4767630
that's a really good idea thank you anon

>>4767601
You should, doing anything more than 1 sketch is a one way ticket to soulless lineart.

>>4767523
>>4767627
In general, work on structure. You still have a ways to go with construction and proper 3d thinking.

>>4767673
atleast i did the left knee correctly. nice! :D

>>4767414
I am sure that you've got Sony smartphone because there is a dsc prefix used for Sony cybershoot cameras.

Besides it, the hands of a middle surgeon arent right.

>>4767670
>>4767673

Hey guys.. I'm new in /beg/ and I really want my art to be as good as pic related. how does the art team that created the binding of isaac do it so well? I want to be as talented as this one day. Any tips?

>>4767714
look at the perspective on those fly wings. superb

>>4766706
Which of these video courses is most retard friendly?

>>4767727
or if there's other better shit i could steal off the course thread please lemme know

>>4767554
just put a zoomed in pic next to the full body one so you can make the picture more square that way.

Does anyone else ever sketch like this or am I just actually retarded?

>>4766710
pft maybe another day

>>4767727
Huston

fuck me....

i can't draw anything but girls...

>>4767767
Looks to me like you can't draw girls either.

>>4767771
kinda knew that would be the first thing someone says to me

>>4767767
>>4767771
Don't be mean, anon, he just got the sizing of the eyes incorrect and asymmetric, and the nose is longer than ideal proportions. This is the beg thread, let's not bully people needlessly.
Also the iron man drawing would benefit from breaking iron man's face into planes and shading the planes. Metal gloss can come later.

>>4767771
Pyw crab

Currently working on this. Any critiques?
>>4767548
This is really nice.

>>4767784
Better file size. Sorry if large.

>>4767786
Practice more low angle bodies and heads. From a design perspective, the text should be shot from below seeing as the people are shot from below. I assume you copied the text from somewhere else, so learn to use a graphic design program instead. I recommend inkscape, there are good tutorials on YT for it.

>>4767790
I’m on IPad and the text is from the program there. Yeah my bodies lack the angled view I want. I’ll need to look up references. Thank you.

Is this a good first pose? What do I need to improve on?

I'm scared about Keys to drawing, I'll redo all the projects before moving on, right now I'm scared of adding detail and drawing the sewing machine so I picked something simple, what can I do to solve this?

Having a hard time with values, is it a good option to just keep doing 2/3 values studies before actually trying something more complicated? Advice on anything else besides values are welcome too.

Also I swear it looked so much better when looking at it from my eyes instead of the camera, looking at the pic legit makes me want to throw the drawing away.

>>4767828
Still life is surprisingly fun too.

>>4767822
I wasn't able to do this one, why am I like this? Maybe I'm overthinking it, after all my other drawing was pretty decent, there's obvious room for changes

I'm not loving you, way I wanted to
What I had to do, had to run from you
I'm in love with you, but the vibe is wrong
And that haunted me, all the way home
So you never know, never, never know
Never know enough, 'til it's over love
'Til we lose control, system overload
Screaming, "No, no, no, n-nooo!"
I'm not loving you, way I wanted to
See I wanna move, but can't escape from you
So I keep it low, keep a secret code
So everybody else don't have to know
So keep your love lockdown—your love lockdown
Keeping your love lockdown—your love lockdown
Now keep your love lockdown—your love lockdown
Now keep your love lockdown—you lose
>>4767828
>>4767831
How can you add details to that? like that? please teach me how

>>4766718
An attempt was made.

>>4767821
proportions

>>4767844
Isn't it good to exaggerate a bit when drawing gestures? But if so, what exactly looks dis proportioned because am noob.

Should I start Keys all over again?

>>4767853
just draw

>>4767835
First I make sure the construction is right or atleast close to it, always trying to think of what I'm drawing as simple 3D shapes. I don't worry about the little details and try to separate just all the shadow from all the light, after I get that right then I move on to half-tones and smaller details within the shadows.

Of course I'm bad and couldn't do it very well, but I think that's how most artists think of it, atleast when they start training.

>>4767855
wORKING ON THIS ONE RIGHT NOW, I CANT DO IT IN 30 MINUTES EVEN IF I CHOOSE WHAT TO FOCUS ON, I HAVE TO MAKE SURE THE OUTLINES ARE ACCURATE, I HAVE TO START all over
why am I having trouble anon, the wheel ended up overshooting the lower rail, I should just ram a knife on my neck
>>4767861
I understand what you say after all I watched a video on diving the tones, thanks I guess.

>Tfw you didn't include the arms when thinking of a pose
LOL

>>4767877

>>4767219
Tracing as a form of study is fine if your focus is on construction and landmarks of the body over contour tracing, so you’re on the right track. I’d say push the construction further - try to suss out the major forms of the body as you do this i.e. ribcage, hips, etc. Also I’d recommend picking a better ref to study, the black of her shorts make it hard to see how her hips and thighs connect. With all that said definitely try to construct by eye as well, but there’s nothing wrong with what you’re doing.

>>4767219
Here's my current Learning/studying step.
1) Draw construction directly on model, not trace, draw the construction.
2) redraw the construction using the model & previous construction
3) Line art on the construction on (2)

And the reasons why i think yours are wrong.
1) Tracing usually means you're tracing what the contour have, but you should learn the construction instead.
2) There's no point to use the traced construction to draw line art. Unless you're just practicing to draw lineart from construction. But it won't help you to study how to construct the body.
If you draw a new construction merely from reference and not tracing, your lineart can then show you the difference between your finished lineart and the reference, so you can learn your mistakes.

tracers are ngmi

>>4767835
Please use your trip so I can filter you

>>4767038
>>4767169
anon who drew it here, this is basically it. it was just some practice in observational skills, just stare at the ref and block in the big shapes while minding proportions and angles, and work your way smaller and to more curved lines

>>4766706
What size canvas should I use and pen size for line work in clip studio? I've been using 3k by 3k 300dpi and size 3 pen for inking, but I have no idea what works well

>>4767944
Kek thanks but no, they are naked just to help me draw the clothes with more accuracy tomorrow.
This is just a placeholder for the moment, I'm too sleepy but tomorrow I'll replace those clothes using proper references

is using pressure opacity bad?

>>4767727
I don't know about the others, but I find proko pretty retard friendly

>>4767831
the base look a little squarish in the shadow part

>>4767842
not bad, it is just flat, because the lack of overlapping lines

>>4767853

if you read it but feel that you didn't really absolve the knowledge, I think you have more to gain by doing a different book. because it probably will have part of the same information, present in a different way plus new information. so you review what you already learned, and learn new things at the same time. but you can also reread it and take notes if you have the will to do it.

Some hands i drew. I always try to FEEEEEL the forms, but thens my accuracy takes a hit.

I had this idea for a scene, but how do I stop it from looking so... off?

>>4768166
very nice

>>4768167
learn perspective

sketch w/ ref, how does it look?

>>4767659
damn, didn't think of that.
thanks anon.

half hour playing with values

>>4768266
too blotchy and scratchy, think in bigger shapes and planes

>>4768258
there are many mistakes. spending more time observing the features of the reference when drawing may help with this.

Started figure drawing last week, feedback would be appreciated.

>>4768284
Could you point out one or two of the bigger mistakes?

>>4768301
not op but your leg is too small, look at heel to dress

>Want to colorize something
>Fill tool/colorize mask ALWAYS seeps through some loose pixel in the linework and colors the entire screen instead
Am I missing something or do I always have to make sure not a single pixel is off in my lineart? Makes it such a chore to put down basic colors.

What's wrong with me? Now that I've learnt to draw I don't really feel like drawing.
I think I liked the idea of learning to draw more than drawing. But why? Why do I learn shit and then drop it when I can do it. Did I just enjoy the challenge of learning something new? Shit.

>>4768307
I see what you mean - but could it be that the dress I drew comes down too far instead? When I sketched out the pose the leg looked okay to me.

>>4768313
not the dress no, you just made the legs too small, the head is obviously too big but that can just be a stylistic choice so doesnt look bad imo

>>4768301
sure, for starters the arm is really off, look at the arm in the reference, the forearm is almost completely horizontal and the hand is big enough to stretch out all the way to the thigh. the arm behind it is almost completely blocked by the arm on the front.

and then there are the legs, the leg on the front is curving inwards in the reference and the leg behind has a much steeper slope.

the head in your drawing is also not tilting back enough. in the reference, the chin is nearly horizontal and dips lower than the shoulder, fingers and knee whereas in the drawing its higher than the knee and fingers and only slightly below the shoulders

lastly the angle of the front foot is a sideview and does not show any sole.

these are some of the major ones. hope this helps.

>>4768318
>>4768323
This actually helps a lot, thank you both!

>>4768313
>>4768307
youre both wrong, the initial drawing has a mistake.

I'm not used to doing gore, hope it turned out well

>>4768399
Ditch the black outline crutch

>>4768166
the ones that look good look pretty dope

>>4768347
no problem, you inspired me to draw it myself, i prefer yours but im happy with this as all i draw normally is heads

>>4768438
looking at this again the head is fucking massive i went a bit over the top with that

>>4768410
Not very sure how, any resources/essential artists on colored lines? I always fuck it up

>>4768441
The gist is to replace the black outline with either a highlight or a shadow. It will be hard at first, but you'll get around to it. This is the first result that popped out so I can't vouch for it, but there are many more that touch on the same topic: https://youtu.be/bzoYhEaEKuA

>>4768311
maybe it would be cool to have a thread like /beg/ but instead of references people wrote out scene concept descriptions that were interesting and others drew them?

>>4768438
Yours has a lot more grace than mine, I think, and seems truer to the ref. Head is a little big but it looks nice!

>>4768311
Find an art project. Comic, animation, art book ect.

>>4768450
Thanks anon, I'll try to study that

>>4768454
thanks anon! keep drawing and we shall ascend to new heights

My power grows!

>>4766715
I failed arm position and feet and certainly more

>>4767189
Not beg get out.
You're not even asking for any specific advice, this is just a flex.

>>4768033
Different anon this is also called the Bargue Method if anyone wants to look into it. Your pic is from a Bargue plate, which is reprinted in a book (forget the name). You can easily google a pdf of it. It's the method ateliers use, except they use real plaster casts that students copy from. There are also youtube tutorials on it

>>4768526
is this a joke? is that how easy it is to impress begs, a simple anime body and oversized head

>>4768508

this is so far and beyond the loli drawing and its still beg

>>4768544
Uhh sweetie. I think you just outed yourself as a impressionable beg

Are there ever any /int/ threads? Or any other forums? I'm not beg but definitely not pro. Do intfags just do independent study and grind it out?

>>4768569
pyw

>>4768569
They post in alt or draw. Only beginners posts studies because they can't draw anything else.

>>4768569
p(ost)y(our)w(ork)

how do i break the habit of copying contours when i draw? i want to be able to create things, but when i study i cant get it to look right unless i copy shadows and two dimensional shapes

>>4768583
>>4768571
I'm >>4768508

>>4768569
/int/ is a myth just like the middle class. if youre not pro then youre /beg/.

>>4768585
No you aren't.

>>4768588
What the fuck?

I just traced a random image to focus on rendering. Thoughts?

>>4768569
/int/ threads are a circlejerk with very little meaningless criticism beyond "go back to beg" and unironically "loomis" spamming
It's also filled with insecure faggots flexing and beginners who believe they're way better than they really are.

Give your drawing color or a background and it's finished, not much that can be improved unless it's not quite like you picture it in your mind. As a sketch it's very impressive, as a piece it's a little empty.

>>4768585
Lol its funny because the anon here >>4768544 called you beg before you even called yourself int. He wasnt trying to bruise your ego. You really are beg, anon. I dont know how to break this delusion for you but if it does anything, the face you made is off in angle, form and you made a different face entirely. The clothing on her left side is off, the body angle is off and the position is not only non-dynamic, but shes leaning to her left in the photo, but on yours shes leaning to her right.

still beg, anon

>>4768593
>I just traced a random image to focus on rendering
Yeah, that's my criticism. Having said that the rendering is on the right track, but the colors seem to be picked straight from the image which is never a good idea, get a feel for them and play around with hue and value, if not it looks artificial at best

>>4768569
You can just post in /beg/ anyway. It's fine.

>>4768598
I'm >>4768508, I know perfectly well I'm still beg so just ignore him. Thanks for the critique anyway.

>>4768571
>>4768573
>>4768583
>>4768586
>>4768596
I see. Checked out alt and it average quality of work was better. So really just gotta stfu and hit the grindstone. But I need critique at this point. Btw I never posted any work in this thread nor anywhere else ever

>>4768609
>I never posted any work in this thread nor anywhere else ever
Why not?

>>4768609
>But I need critique at this point. Btw I never posted any work in this thread nor anywhere else ever

well you know maybe post your work to get the critique? Its also quit hare because whilst yes you are beg your piece is on the higher side of beg so youre better than most here which makes the feedback kind of bad unless we get blessed by a random int who passes through

>>4768614
I'm gay

>>4768617
Oh yeah? Prove it. Draw something gay.

>>4768606
ah. Well hey, then forget about the being rude part since I was just trying to knock some ego out of the potential narcissist, but in all honesty dude you are advanced beg. Give or take a few months and you could be out imo

GL on your journey tho and I hope I didnt make u feel bad or anything lol. Keep it up tho cuz u still did plenty of things right

>>4768622

>>4768622
Fuck you. I'm /int/. Just believe me.

>>4768625
OK, that's pretty gay. I believe you.

>>4768622
he was sucking my dick earlier.
I'm not gay tho

>>4768614
>>4768616
Ok this phone pic is all I got I'll post another

>>4768631
Have you got anything that isn't a study? Looking pretty beg there

>>4768631
This ones unfinished but you get the idea

>>4768631
A4 or A3 drawing surface?

>>4768640
>>4768631
Ok but like, this is mid level int IMO.

Honestly tho, if its not int then ig the anon here >>4768586 is right

>>4768569
/int/ and /beg/ was a mistake, there is nothing to be gained from dividing the board by skill level

>>4768639
I don't have any original work if that's what you mean. I just study paintings and drawings I like.
>>4768641
Idk it's on strathmore 400

>>4768584
by copying the forms?!

>>4768593
is this yandere dev?

>>4768625
if you just improved the linework it would be 100% better.

One more sorry my pics are sideways n shiet I'm phoneposting scum

should I pirate paint tool sai or just purchase it?

>>4768679
that was from a long time ago. i think if i drew any soft coomer art now it would be very different even though i havent been drawing that much at all during the time gap.

>>4768688
you need like a mentor or some shit this art is beyond beg and most of /ic/

>>4768705
impressionable beg

>>4768688
its hard to tell someone's skill level from a photocopy because with enough time anyone can xerox and copy 2d shapes. looks like you copied the face and then drew the rest of the skull and ear as an after thought

>>4768672
yes

>>4768631
>>4768640
>>4768688
Post these in /draw/.

>>4768526
I know I won't get advice worth anything here. I just wanted to see if I got salty comments

>>4768640
Is this the wound man?

>>4768736
the anon that pointed out the eyes was good advice though

>>4768569
>>4768586
>>4768596
>>4768656
This is propaganda.
The last few times /int/ threads were opened they've been the most productive generals on this board.
Crab /beg/gars will try to convince you otherwise.

>>4768745
i really dont think there is too big of a difference to matter. i can probably post in /int/ and its fine but theres just no reason to.

>>4768689
if you have the money to buy SAI then buy Clip studio paint for the same price and is far, far more complete, resourceful, and in many cases outclasses Photoshop.

>>4768711
Not sure I get your meaning about photocopying? I will take your critique that the skull and ear are not quite right, flipping the canvas isn't something I can do as effectively with pencil and paper so it is good to see.

Hmm. First time actually trying to color body, clothing, and such and at the moment I'm just trying to focus on the forms or like the body. A bit stylized, which is something I'm probably going to stop doing the longer I'm exposed to /ic/ and the pure amount of shit I'll get for continuing to half-ass my "journey" if I keep posting.

/beg/ here, I would like to posit that art being the translation of ideas in the mind to something real like an image on paper, is not creative but rather extremely technical.

Art is %100 technical, not creative. Prove me wrong.

>>4768822
it's both, dummy. That's why you hone your technical skills (do your fundies), so you can express your creativity (ideas, messing with established rules like anatomy, colors, perspective after you learn them)

>>4768769
>flipping the canvas isn't something I can do as effectively with pencil and paper
Mirrors anon, mirrors.

>>4768822
>ideas in the mind
>not creative

Kick, punch, it's all in the mind

If you wanna test me, I'm sure you'll find
That all the things I teach ya is sure to beat ya
But nevertheless you'll get a lesson from teacher

>>4768663
Why? Isn't there anything you want to express with your art?
I'm not saying you should stop studying paintings, if that's what you like, I'm just curious.

>>4768822
>art being the translation of ideas in the mind to something real
I don't like that definition, because everything man made would be art.

art is more about emotions. about man made stuff that evokes emotions is a certain way. that is why what people call art is so subjective.

>>4768769
>flipping the canvas isn't something I can do as effectively with pencil and paper

hold the paper with the drawing facing a light.

also squinting, why do you think asians are so good art art?

>>4768822
just talking about drawings here. how good a drawing is part how well its drawn but also what is actually being drawn. different people may value theses aspects differently but it doesnt dismiss its importance.

>>4768824

Ideas in the mind aren't art unless you turn them into something real like a painting, dummy. Everyone has ideas, that's the creative part, it doesn't make them artists. Creating a painting from a photograph is art without ideas or creativity. They're two separate things.

>>4768854
>everything man made would be art
there's an argument whether this is true or not. Some say a painting is art but pooping in a tin can is not, yet both have been in art exhibits and sold as art.

>>4768864
fail

>>4768824
>>4768830
Ideas in the mind aren't art unless you turn them into something real like a painting, dummy. Everyone has ideas, that's the creative part, it doesn't make them artists. Creating a painting from a photograph is art without ideas or creativity. They're two separate things.

>>4768854
>everything man made would be art
there's an argument whether this is true or not. Some say a painting is art but pooping in a tin can is not, yet both have been in art exhibits and sold as art.

>>4768868
>pooping in a tin can is not
art is just a manifestation of your mind into the real world whatever form that may be

>>4766706
Is there any way I can make my transition to traditional to digital smoother?

My biggest problem is the disconect between my eyes in the screen and my hand in the tablet since Im not actually "seeing what I am drawing" I get really confused and I cant make straight lines that otherwise in paper I can.

>>4768875
stop looking at what youre drawing with paper as well

>>4768874
the act of manifesting it (atleast in a painting or sculpture or whatever) and thus separating it from an idea in the mind, is all technical right? desu im just trying to sort out what it is im really trying to do when im learning all this stuff...

>>4768880
its technical yes, but you need an idea to begin with if youre not using reference, art is 90% technical imo but you also need an eye for pleasing art/style/shapes

>>4768868
>Everyone has ideas, that's the creative part, it doesn't make them artists.

I don't know anon, I don't really think a /beg/'s ideas would be anywhere as good a professional's. For example, ask a beg and a pro to construct and draw a scenario. The beg would struggle (obviously), but the pro would know what works from his experience and technical skills. Your technical skills will inform your ideas, and vice versa, so I don't really think it's fair to call them two separate things when they obviously influence each other and are very closely related. Hope I made sense, dummy.
All that aside, art is super subjective for a reason, if you're still /beg/ I don't see value in trying to define what it is concretely, your perception of it will obviously change as you hone your craft.

>>4768864
>>4768868
>pooping in a tin
but it have a context that make it evoke emotions. not every object has this treatment, no one say that every single brick in the world is art, maybe a brick in some specific context, but not any brick

>>4768885
>eye for pleasing art/style/shapes
>>4768902
>technical skills inform ideas

Thanks that makes sense and seems to be what I was missing. though a writer could still have an amazing idea that would make a great painting. The idea/creativity could still stand on its own without the technicals of rendering it visually. But yea what you said is really helpful thx

>>4768902
>I don't see value in trying to define what it is
To me, that's how I lay a foundation for understanding and getting better. I have to understand what it is I'm really trying to do in the first place.

Art is the visual form of an internal feeling, emotion, or thought that the artist wishes to express.

That's why multiple artist collaborations are a lesser art, and why pieces that rely on an outward perspective or outward input to materialize meaning, such as "modern" or " avant garde" are not art.
If you place a spoon on the wall and expect the meaning to be derived from and by the act of the patrons viewing and questioning it itself, and think you're being meta, you are not an artist. It's ridiculous.

How the FUCK do I draw a stroke like this in Photoshop, I unironically seriously actually fucking can't
I can't make it work with just a negative stroke at 0% hardness nor with any smudge tool settings, how the fuck do I do this please help

>>4768954
It's not a single stroke. It's at least 3

>>4768954
whyre you getting caught up in something so small as a beg

>>4768966
I know

>>4768968
Because I could learn it right fucking now if I just fucking knew what (((their))) fucking secrets are

>>4768977
I don't know what's troubling you. It looks simple as shit. Go look at some vods at twitch.

>>4768985
Faster to just ask than to spend half an hour or several even trying to find somebody draw like this outside of CSP

>>4768144
I like the knowledge, I feel as if I've been "disrespecting" it by not applying as much as I should, Eviston's teachings are very easy, mostly, but Keys to Drawing presents the same idea on a very diferent process.

Tips to fix his sword? The perspective looks off, also it's supposed to resemble a clock hand but I think it doesn't work

Am I even on the right track? I'm trying to separate the light/dark but it always looks off like i'm messing up somewhere

>>4769020
well wheres his sword resting?

>>4769038
this is quite literally the worse picture you could of used for value study, not only is it blurry as fuck all the values are soft edges apart from the shadow on her body get a high quality black and white photo with good lighting and good shadows

Lack motivation to practice every day, feel like i start at square one every time i get the motivation to start drawing

Pic what i drew today

>>4767189
how do i draw like this HOW

>>4769020
>sword
Perspective off

>>4769038
like the other anon said, use a better photo to study from

>>4768822
Brainlet spotted
If you need people to explain such a stupid concept to you you're hopeless

>>4769076
Find a loli artist you like (e.g. https://exhentai.org/tag/artist:sumiyao)) and copy a panel you like.
If that was drawn without ref it'd be outside beg-territory, but it wasn't.

>>4769020
A wise anon once said
>foreshortening is easy because the only mistake you can make is making shit too long
Unravel his secrets and you shall know success

>>4769103
I didn't use ref at all though.

>>4768950
>pieces that rely on an outward perspective or outward input to materialize meaning
what do you mean? are you making a case that art is the author's intention itself?

also couldn't the spoon on the wall be a feeling that the author want to express too?

>>4769056
>>4769092

it is blurred because an anon suggested it, i forgot to mention that beforehand

>>4769107
Then you're in the wrong thread and I was wrong, get out.

More practice.
I didn't draw the gun on woman's shoulder because I can't draw fucking straight lines..

>>4769112
ok, sorry.

>>4769111
i think you got trolled anon, its good to blur your eyes or squint when looking at a good reference photo like

>>4769092

so you can block out the dark from the lights but to actually use a blurry photo is just being trolled

>>4769076
you'd probably have to spend more time looking at little anime girls

>>4769113
the faster you draw the line the straighter it will be

>>4768803
Clearly you didn't put much effort into constructing this head, because it looks like absolute dogshit.
Drop the coloring/clothing/stylization cope and study head anatomy.

>>4769076
Just draw

>>4768822
unrelated to anything that this retard is talking about, but what is this arbitrary line supposed to represent? The edge of the temples?

>>4769136
forgot pic

>>4769142
It's the hairline according to loomis. It means pretty much nothing.

>>4769056
>foreshortening
shoulder, thanks for pointing out
>>4769103
alright, thanks for the tip

>>4769056
shoulder, thanks for pointing out
>>4769103
>foreshortening
thank you for the tip i'll look into this

i know i shouldn't be doing values when i havent finished bucci but i just thought id try do it from imagination and see how it goes but then i realised seeing as i dont know this stuff i have no idea if its good or bad

i know i shouldn't be doing values when i havent finished bucci but i just thought id try do it from imagination and see how it goes but then i realised seeing as i dont know this stuff i have no idea if its good or bad

>>4769173
also i did this so that when i do get to painting and values i can look back and laugh at how bad i was and feel good about how much better i am

beg i come to you to ask for an instagram name for my face a day challange as it will hopefully inspire people to get into art if they see my journey, i wanted afaceaday, onefaceaday but theyre taken, any suggestions?

>>4769184
face.everyday

>>4769184
faceaday, afaceperday, faceeveryday

shitty suggestions but its the best I got

>>4769196
this is open i will keep it on backup thank you

>>4769197
all taken, thanks though

>>4769096
>It is known Khaleesi

>>4769132
you're right i just wish drawing wasnt like pulling teeth.

>>4769123
this is the easy part but what exactly do i have to grind to actually draw them? anatomy? copying anime panels like >>4769103 says? whats the best path forward? i've been drawing on/off for a couple years but i'm still pretty much entirely lost.
pic attached is the last thing i posted here jsyk what level i'm at. i know it's not good, and i already got a bunch of good advice from you guys on it, though i havent really drawn anything since because of the whole pulling teeth thing.

anyway sorry im basically just venting for no reason, i'll get back to drawing and not being such a bitch. but damn i wish i could draw lolis like that guy. plz wish me luck

>>4769243
>whats the best path forward?
>>4766706

read the sticky and red the god damn books, its a subject so get studying and get drawing

>>4769250
i have been doing this tho

>>4769251
well not enough, what part of your art do you want to get better? pick one and do a deep dive, getting good at art takes years of education not just sparsely on and off but i mean honestly your picture looks fine apart from the face (do bucci) obviously its not amazing or impressive but its not some total piece of shit

>>4769261
>(do bucci)
are you talking about Marco Bucci's "understanding and painting the head" series? or something else?

>>4769276
yes

>>4769284
will do, thanks anon.

>>4769243
>grind
Never grind. Studies are means to an end. Never study for the sake of doing it. You'll always want to have some kind of goal behind it.
You don't grind anatomy. Instead you'll draw from reference (and also imagination) certain body parts and maybe on a certain angle too because you don't know what it looks like and you keep fucking up. If you know what you're messing up, but you don't know the solution, you study for the purpose of correcting that.

>But what do I grind.
Decide what you're weak at and then practice that part. If you still don't know what you're weak at then compare yourself to other artists. Then you'll know what to "grind"

I know I'm not good either and I also feel frustrated but at least I can't feel lost because I know there's always something I can improve on to reach my goals.

>>4769330
wow, thanks anon. i will try to heed your advice

>>4768285
Not bad for only a week's worth of practice

>>4769330
How long have you been drawing?

>>4769357
Like 400 days

>>4769358
???

>>4769109
Simple intention is not enough, and no a spoon or banana taped to a wall conveys no feeling and no emotion, and even if "that's the point" it does not make it art. As a matter of fact that form of genre was created as some insane CIA project, as crazy as it sounds

>>4769360
You asked how long and I told you how long. What's to not understand?

>>4769364
There's no way you got that good from nothing in just over a year.

>>4769243
i tried redrawing your pic by giving it a more interesting pose but i dont really draw any anime stuff at all.

anyways, i would say just grind whatever you like (in this case loli's i guess) since i feel like its all transferable skill anyway.

>>4769367
its anime you beg, lol

>>4769377
I am a beg. Please tell me if there is some secret to anime that makes it actually easy. I beg you.

>>4769367
What's so impressive about that basic as fuck sketch? His anatomy is solid at best and line quality is good, but other than that there's nothing indicative of skill there. Notice how he didn't draw hands and feet either.
It boggles my mind when /beg/s get filtered by good line work.

>>4769367
I've saved most of my drawings since I started if you're wondering.

>>4769377
u jelly? pyw

>>4769379
His "basic as fuck" sketch is a thousand times better than anything I could do and I've been drawing for a similar amount of time. Maybe I'll just kill myself

>>4769379
I've got no issue drawing hands. I just couldn't be arsed to, same goes for hair. Are you coping by any chance?

>>4769330
>never grind
Haha

>>4769391
please dont bully me i know it's bad. cmon man

>>4769380
>u jelly
I am not, I don't really like anime style. I'll only ever call someone a beg for praising anime. Your drawing is ok tho good stuff.

>>4769396
Damn right. Fuck anime

>>4769378
the secret to anime is that the lack of defined features and facial structure leaves the viewer's imagination to fill in the rest, which results in a visually appealing design. It's just lazy and extremely easy to draw an anime face. The anatomy part of some anime is sometimes legit enough, though, but that can also be simplified.

fuck anime

>>4769401
A good anime face is harder than you make it sound. Even top pixiv artists still mess up from time to time, and most don't deviate from the common angles.

>>4767842
holy shit how long have you been drawing this is UNREAL

>>4769415
Ummm 2 months

>>4769414
The better an anime face is, the further you're straying from anime haha

>>4769418
???

>>4769414
Drawing a traditional face is ten times harder than drawing an anime face, always.
What the shitters on Pixiv do is irrelevant.

>>4769414
Bro you draw a dot for a nose or leave it out completely, and just a line for a mouth and A BEAN mouth for profile, hahahahaha

>>4769420
That's just like your opinion, man.

>>4769425
The difficulty of something is shouldn't be an indicator of quality. Don't take pride on it.
You should draw whatever you want to draw anyway. I don't feel the need to look down on other types of art because they're different.

>>4769436
i look up to you loli anon

>>4769436
The point that was being discussed earlier was the difficulty and time frame it would take to achieve a certain level of skill. in an easier genre it would definitely be a quicker time to improve than if you had to worry about lips and nostrils

There needs to be an anime /beg/ general

gonna start posting half assed shitty anime starting next thread for easy yous lol

Today I will FORCE myself to draw

>>4769473
Oh, that's nice to know. I don't post here often though.

>>4769497
That works, do it anon. Use a reference if you have to, that way you have something to work towards to.
But do whatever you want, willpower is just as important as skill.

>>4769415
I've been doodling in a not serious way forever, but only recently started using a drawing tablet. Drew a lot of anime-inspired stuff in high school.

>>4769506
pls show me your way anon i fucking suck at anime and anatomy

>>4769681
>>4769436
also i couldnt stop looking at the resemblance with the style of asanagi(japanese shadman)

>>4769436
Is this supposed to be impressive? The ear and eye placement is fucked

>>4769708
How?

>>4769714
And the ponytail perspective is wrong

>>4769330
Beginner here
What does grind mean?

Shoulder pads are a butch

>>4769921
This is my favorite post of all time in the history of /beg/

>>4769109
I fail do see how you differentiate the two, what is enough? what does make it art then? why do you say so surely that it does not conveys any emotion?

I am confuse because I use a pretty similar definition of art. but I would consider a spoon on the wall art as long it is able to evoke a feeling that just a spoon on the wall shouldn't.

>>4769136
>>4769142
nothing, it is the rules of thirds. they probably wanted to fit forehead, the nose, and the chin mouth area each in a third, but they couldn't so they just ignored the forehead.

Crabby crab crab

>thread was 300
>it's now 200
Did janny buy a new broom? What was deleted?

>>4766706
Don't draw porn. Just don't. Porn is a low quality product, all of it, real or fictional. I'm kinda shocked how people like sakinichan can charge hundreds of dollars for her drawings and she also has a patreon. People just eat her works up. It's ridiculous how she's still making countless amounts of money while everything she makes is indistinguishable from each other. Plus she does' weird shit like homosexuality.
I do not understand why a single picture could cost hundreds of dollars. I do not understand the people on spend that much money on something so simple. It's just as bad as that onlyfans shit. As a skill, still drawings just isn't that complicated. Animating? Yeah, now that is a different ball game. Of course I'm talking non porn animations.

what should i do every day to get gud

>>4770713
>I'm kinda shocked
>I do not understand
That's because you're wrong. Your expectations do not match reality, because reality isn't what you want it to be.

>>4768310
bumping my question

My power grows

>>4770733
draw

>>4768310
You could just color it by hand. Like just color inside the lines.

>>4770773
That's not an argument. Understanding and not making sense, I said that because it doesn't make sense. As a skill, it's far more easier to draw then let's say, become a heart surgeon.

>>4771835
You can self teach drawing and become a good drawer, but that doesn't work for many things.