/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4761887
>S7+
Are OLED displays really that good?

>>4761887
Threadly reminder that OP doesnt draw, and every time he kvetches about chinese shills just ask him to post his work.

>>4761890
*burns in*
Honestly, waiting for mini LED is better.

>>4761892
Nobody cares about your whining, Chang.

>>4761895
pyw

>>4761893
>mini LED
It's microLED and you're an idiot. That's literally 10+ years away from any kind of drawing tablet. There isn't even a single TV on the market yet.

>>4761897
I'm talking about the next iPad Pro you absolute doofus.

>>4761887
Thoughts on the 24HD?

>>4761887
used iPad is all you need

>>4761887
What is the redpill on the Cintiq QHD?

>>4761970
Used iPad Pros. The non-Pro models have parallax.

>>4761996
The air doesn't but you should buy a pro anyway for the larger form factor

>>4761892
its bizarre to watch him shitpost the whole day. does he have nothing else to do and what is his end goal?

>>4762061
Ok changstein. Still not buying chinkshit.

>>4761977
The redpill is that you could buy a car instead.
Other than that it's really good.

>>4762061
I think we have a /pol schizo on one man crusade against the chinese economy. He ssems to be only concerned with whether it's made in china or not and recommends you get that one specific model of 2014 Android tablet that was made in Vietnam

>>4761970
Is really nice but i had to get another tablet so i can do pro level coom animations, theres simply no ecosystem to do that on the ipad
I ordered the innovator 16 bros, it should be here next week. I will post my thoughts

>>4762076
pyw

>>4761887
non meme thread is
>>4761591

>>4761996
>tfw new ipad pro ordered at beginning of month
>won’t get here till mid august
fuck china and apple and their retarded supply chain

>>4762100
This

>>4762100
typo, >>4761951

>>4762102
Ebaychads win again baby. I bought one and the old guy who sold it delivered it to me personally the same day.

>>4762100
>>4762104
>>4762105
>samefagged before realizing you fucked up
What an embarrassingly stupid idiot you are.

Still not buying chinkshit, no matter how much you samefag like you did last thread, Chang.

>>4762110
You are the only samefag in here.

>>4762109
i wanted the free airpods tho

>>4762113
>dirty chink doesn't even know what samefagging means
Lmao, fucking moron.

>>4762114
>airpods
>as opposed to real headphones

>>4762110
pyw

>>4762118
i have real headphones but, the airpods are nice to have when i want to exercise/and lie in bed. very convenient device!

>>4762092
Dyou think it could be that guy who made that thread with the busted up huion display tablet? Vowing to take revenge on them or some shit?

>>4762119
Do you really think that means anything, Chinese idiot? I could easily scrape something off artstation, invert it horizontally, retouch it a bit and you would be comprehensively BTFO without knowing what I did.

This is why I said real time benchmarks are the thing that matters, but like the braindead dumbfuck chink shill you are, you just repeat yourself like a broken record, and continue to have samefag conversations with yourself.

>>4762131
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>>4762123
I doubt it.
he
>literally doesn't draw
>sounds like he never had a tablet and doesn't know what using them is like
>has no personal opinion or experience refers to one review and some political articles on china
>if your tablet arrived fucked up you can return it, lol.
No he's all about China.

Also don't forget to sage this thread.

>>4761887
What is the main difference between the iPad pro 2nd and 3rd gen? Are slimmer bezels really worth it? I know the 2nd gen pen isn't really an upgrade.

>>4762147
the newer one is easier to bend...

>>4761887
>Budget
$800
>Location
US
>Type
Display
>Size
20+"
>Other information
I mainly want one for animation, which is why I want to go big. Drawing animation on my cintiq 13 tires the fuck out of my wrist.

Deciding between a used 22HD or a 27QHD. Resolution doesn't really bother me, but I'm worried about drivers. Wacom has always been kind of annoying with them.

Also, is it hard to buy a Dell Canvas these days?

>>4762156
You're in /pol/ thread.
Move here >>4761951 i'm gonna reply there

>>4762156
22HD was the industry standard at one point. QHD is when Wacom tablets started becoming shit. Both have parallax, but you get used to it.

The lack of good display tablets in the current year is a sad state of affairs.

>>4762161
Piss off with your thread wars crap

>>4761887
When is the S7 coming out?

>>4762164
No i'm not going to support a /pol invader stirring shit on /ic.
Neither i'm going to help in this thread.

>>4762164
You just want advice, then go to the non autist general. OP is non artist retard whos trying to play himself off as an authority by hosting these generals which disregard 90% of tablet brands simply because muh china, and not because of value.

>>4762162
>QHD is when Wacom tablets started becoming shit
Damnit, it looks so nice too.

Yeah I dont mind parallax. I think all large tablets have it anyway, except cintiq pros but fuck that.
Might just wait for something better to come along.

>>4762173
>>4762183
Jesus fucking Christ, fuck off retard. This thread has more posts and I couldn't give two fucks about your threadwars.

>>4762095
>but i had to get another tablet so i can do pro level coom animations
Duet and Astropad aren't worth using?

>>4761887
would you still recommend it if it's priced the same as the 12.9 ipad Pro 2020?

>>4762190
All the posts in this thread are calling OP out and not talking about the tablets.
And i'm not gonna be talking about the tablets.

>>4761887
why the 2013 intuos pro over the 2017?

>>4762198
>would you still recommend it if it's priced the same as the 12.9 ipad Pro 2020?
He would, because he literally doesn't give a shit abdout tablets, it's a thread about china.

I wouldn't though, because I haven't fucking seen the thing it's not out yet.

>>4762201
retarded memes.
Old intuos had a perfectly smooth surface and the boomers freaked out when they first seen a matte coating on a tablet.

>>4762198
>>4762202
I'd never recommend an Android tablet for any purpose tbqh

>>4762198
No. The iPad wins by virtue of better software, better pen and more balanced aspect ratio.

For what it's worth though, I tried superDisplay on my S6 Lite yesterday, and it's surprisingly usable as a display tablet for windows. Much better than easycanvas on the iPad. If you're looking to use a portable tablet as a windows display tablet, Android is unironically better than iOS.

>>4762208
See >>4762209
Maybe astropad will change thing when/if it comes to windows, but for now, Android tablets are better for use with windows than iPads. I got barely any lag drawing with SAI on my S6 lite.

>>4762206
Probably freaked out when their nibs snapped on the new coating.

>>4762209
>>4762220
What's wrong with Duet?

>>4762229
I haven't tried it because they force you to buy a subscription for the pen digitizer. Fuck that shit.

>>4761887
What's wrong with Lenovo?

>>4762252
OP hates everything chinese. This is by all means a meme thread, the real one is >>4761951

>>4762252
their digitizer tech is just dogshit same as surface.
It's unfit to draw with, you'll have jagged lines and terrible pressure

>>4762257
What kind of consumer is the Surface marketed toward anyway? I'd have thought the drawing would be a selling point seeing as they charge a lot for the pen.

>>4762268
Note taking, yes really.

>>4762283
I find that hard to believe.

>>4761887
I see there's a bit of a civil war going on, so I guess I am joining House Wacom
so anyway fellow wacomchads, let me repeat the question:

Can I use One By Wacom with Photoshop?
(not to be confused with Wacom One)

I wanna buy that one and I'm a benigger. it'd be inconvenient to also have to learn an unfamiliar software in addition to all that other new information

>>4762697
It works fine with ps

>>4762702
nice

>>4762697
You can use anything with anything.
If it's on the market it works.

>>4762268
I thought the pen comes free with each Surface.

Is Huion the second best altenrative to Cintiq? The other brands looks so suspicous, Huion is suspicoius enough.
I don't want to consider any iPads or Samsung whatever tablets, I only want a monitor made by a company that makes pen monitors.

Would a screen tablet really be better than my intuos or is the grass greener? I do mostly line work.

>>4761887
Alright lads, its between these two:
https://www.amazon.com/GT-220-v2-Graphics-Drawing-Monitor/dp/B01MZIBK50/ref=sr_1_19?dchild=1&keywords=huion+pen+monitor&qid=1596230892&refinements=p_72%3A1248879011&rnid=1248877011&s=electronics&sr=1-19

https://www.amazon.com/HUION-20-Graphics-Battery-Free-Sensitivity/dp/B07VMLBYGC/ref=sr_1_17?dchild=1&keywords=huion+pen+monitor&qid=1596230892&refinements=p_72%3A1248879011&rnid=1248877011&s=electronics&sr=1-17

First is GT-220, second is Kamvas 20.
I'm guessing Kamvas is newer and has the laminated screen? But for real you guys I have used a Cintiq with the laminated screen and it makes the colors feel very off, even if drawing on the texture feels good.
But the GT-220 is larger. In contrast, its probably older and has less support for it.

>>4763052
Kamvas 20 is the GT191 V3 which is a V2 with a newer pen
look for the Kamvas PRO 20 if you want a laminated screen

>>4763098
Is anti-glare glass different then the laminated screen?

I know for a while that the regular ipad wasn't as good as the pro was for doing art. But last I looked at it was maybe 4-5 years ago. Has the air or standard ipad caught up to the pro yet?

Wtf is this talking about?? On Huion's website. I ordered stuff from them years ago and I never had a customs tax. What is this political bullshit?

>>4763098
I can't afford Pro, does it make a significant difference? I'm mostly a comic book artist, I used to do a lot of digital painting but I've strayed away from it.

>>4763166
drawing wise not really, but hardware wise iirc the non pro version has a pretty serious design flaw where the wiring layout prevents you from setting the tablet at low angle (you technically can, but it's gonna damage the wiring)

>>4763131
Yes. Anti-glare = simple matte screen.
only Pro models have laminated screens with less parallax.
Huion products have terrible branding, you have to research them carefully otherwise the chinks will fuck you in the ass

>>4763158
kkk eae mano
Huion won't pay the import tax for you because you're in Cuzil.
Receita will hold the package hostage until you pay them taxes.
Amazon has balls to cover any additional VAT or import cost so they pre-pay the tax for you.

>>4763176
I don't know why it says the Brazil thing, I live in the US. There's not this bullshit in glorious burgerland is there?

artist pro 15.6
deco pro
deco 03
which one?
my only point of reference is pic related.
i draw extremely slowly and am inaccurate but not sure if its a problem with the size or the fact that its screenless

Does anyone think its unwise to pre-order a tablet?
By pre-ordering it I won't know if theres a bunch of buggy issues with it or something.
But it comes with a "free gift" which could be me getting 2 pens instead of 1. Its also looking like a great deal, 400 dollars fora brand new tablet manufactured this year, its screen is 21 inches I think which is HUGE, its fully laminated and you can even use it with your Android phone. It seems like a way better deal than their old stuff.

>>4763036
Every single chinkshit brand is the same because all businesses are centralized in communist China. They all have the same shitty cheap ass pen with a wobbly tip.

>>4763196
desu yes
There's plenty of tech reviewer dudes who always seems to get early access or some shit on YT so I'd say atleast wait until the model has a couple of reviews first

>>4763189
ah, sorry... I've read it wrong. I don't know how US taxes work. But Amazon is pre-paying taxes, maybe Huion is starting doing the same.

>>4763201
That's a fact
XP-pen is owned by Ugee. Parblo is just a rebrand for Ugee products.
Xp-pen and Huion use Ugee parts though they have separate design and software teams.
Gaomon doesn't seem to be involved with Ugee but that isn't even a good thing

>>4763045
I can't speak for everyone but I went back to a screenless after saving up and finally getting a screen tablet. color accuracy was off, parallax was annoying, and it just seemed too constrained.

>>4763196
Pre-ordering is a bad move, and that 'deal' isn't really a deal. All they're doing is saving themselves shipping costs. (how?) XP pen has a history or terrible qc so there's a good chance that the first stylus you get will be a dud. they're just including the second stylus to save themselves money.

personally, i'd never deal with a company that ships an empty box. that's absolutely unacceptable and i'd be so disappointed after waiting 4 weeks.
https://www.reddit.com/r/XPpen/comments/hrmrhs/delivered_artist_24_pro_package_empty/

And then there's the whole issue with malware
https://www.reddit.com/r/XPpen/comments/hsje5h/trojan_warning_with_latest_drivers/

https://www.reddit.com/r/XPpen/comments/hxigll/innovator_16_freezing_photoshop_but_mouse_is/

https://www.reddit.com/r/XPpen/comments/hxoppo/help_sometimes_the_cursor_moves_on_its_own_and/

>>4762192
Do they work on windows? Anyway the iPad's display is big enough for procreate, but not for desktop gui programs imo.

>>4763402
>jumping the gun with your FUD

You wanted a reason to buy Android over an iPad? You now have one.

>>4763402
This is Huion though. Is there a lot of bad history with Huion?

>>4763519
oops, sorry bout that. Got my brands mixed up.

Doing a quick search, only a couple of potential connections between huion and malware popped up. This doesn't mean that they are trustworthy by any means, I would still download the drivers and run a thorough virus check before considering buying anything from them.

https://www.reddit.com/r/huion/comments/hzz1fz/experience_of_returning_their_dead_on_arrival/

https://forums.whatthetech.com/index.php?showtopic=129160

spotted several qc-related issues on the support sub as well:

https://www.reddit.com/r/huion/comments/hy9v5n/kamvas_pro_22_not_responding_to_pen_after_os/

https://www.reddit.com/r/huion/comments/hww989/faulty_new_22_kamvas_replaced_with_faulty_refurb/

https://www.reddit.com/r/huion/comments/hym32g/rant_from_a_victim_device_huion_kamvas_pro_20_2019/

https://www.reddit.com/r/huion/comments/hzs3md/what_kind_of_quality_control_does_huion_use/

>>4763499
isn't this pretty much just astropad though

>>4763737
>being a mactoddler
Windowschads have the best software lineup and aren't forced to rely on gimped, overpriced hardware.

Show me SAI on Astropad, maccy.

>>4763419
Duet does, Astropad won't until later this year.

>>4763499
>what is duet

>>4763807
>subscription
Idiot

>>4763804
>>4763807
>subscription software
Idiot

>>4763499
give me the rundown on this
is it only for samsung?
whats a good stylus pen for nonsamsungs if not?

>>4763921
It's an app that lets you use an Android tablet as a display tablet for Windows.
It's not exclusive to Samsung, but I'd recommend it. They're the only Android tablet with a Wacom EMR pen, and Lenovo is trash. I don't know enough about other pens, but the cheap ones will be trash.

>S7’s pen is specd to finally match the Apple Pencil
now it just needs good art apps

>>4763964
>latency
Who cares? Latency won't affect your drawing ability.

The thing that makes the Apple Pencil so good is the quality of the lines and tilt support. No wobble, no tapered lines, just performs exactly how you'd expect a real pen to perform.

The current S-Pen is good, but still not as good as the Apple Pencil.

>>4763191
Get a deco pro it will blow you away.

>>4763937
>they're the only Android tablet with a Wacom EMR pen
depends on your definition of tablet

>>4763964
That doesn't make any sense, they're two different technologies.
EMR can never be the same. Apple achives its performance with complicated software that tracks the accelerometers and gyroscopes in the pen using (you guessed it) an active battery. It then predicts where your stroke is going to be in order to basically eliminate latency and jitter.
There is nothing you can do to EMR to fix this, short of turning it into AES.

>>4764042
>chink tablet
>blow me away
I don't think so, ching chong.

>>4764123
I know you're not a great thinker.

After that piece of ancient bamboo shit Anon would be happy to use anything else. Like absolutely anything.

>>4764133
Old bamboos were created you dumbfuck yellow dogeater. At the very least they were reliable, unlike garbage chink tablets.

>>4764102
Are you telling me the Apple Pencil literally needs to be battery powered to be as good as it is?

>>4764133
Old bamboos were great you dumbfuck yellow dogeater. At the very least they were reliable, unlike garbage chink tablets.

>>4764139
I remember the feeling of switching from a bamboo to a Huion h610p with a wobbly battey pen.

It was so great I shill chinks to this day. like WHOOSH and I can actually fucking draw, i thought my hands were fucked but no it was the shitty bamboo.

>>4764160
go back to that sad safespace thread you created, chang. no one wants your malware-laced xp garbage.

>>4764177
https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2020/02/07/wacom-driver-caught-monitoring-third-party-software-use/

Keep cryind bitch ass shill. Wacom are the ones actually caught selling your data.

I guess they can't sell the product anymore, so they started selling the customers.

agree? where is huion on this?

>>4764194
I guess Huion just don't the tablets to him.

But as far as I know Huion actualy make somewhat better screns than XP-Pen. Since both companies are Ugee subsidiaries I guess the Ugee overlords decided that XP get the best screenless and Huion get the best screenfull.

>>4763191
Holy shit, that is old! I know its crazy but only one of those tablets is going to make it to 2022, its the one in the picture.

Xp pen is notorious for poor qc, poor customer service, and sneaking malware!

>>4764138
Well it's already drawing power to use for the digitizer itself. The sensors are just a bonus that help break it away from shittier active displays.
You can't just slap a battery in your S pen and call it good either, since EMR is, (guess what) based on EM radiation. It's been known to catch interference from the environment, including stray microwaves, Bluetooth networks, 2.4 GHz WiFi, oh and fucking batteries. The signal-to-noise ratio of EMR is limited not so much by the quality of the displays, but by the actual physics of EMR digitizers. I can't picture what putting a battery inside your pen would do except make that problem worse. EMR can never be the same feeling as Apple Pencil. Some people like that, but there's nothing Samsung can do about EM waves.

>>4764191
> weak google analytics deflection

go to xp-pen’s sub-reddit for malware notices, qc nightmares, shipping empty boxes, (maybe) refunds, from paying customers! Terrible business practices all around.

>>4764233
XP-Pen aren't a distributor,
Amazon and Aliexpress sell th products. If you have any issues you return on the marketplace terms.

You literally can't even order shit from XP-Pen, they don't handle the sales/

>>4764252

you can literally buy it directly on xp-pen’s website. At that point amazon/allibaba are only acting in a shipping/delivery capacity

>>4764276
XP website redirects to Amazon.

>>4764280
Oh whoops, they changed that.
Anyway just buy from Amazon and you get the Amazon terms.

Should I save up for the S7?

>>4764206
hmmm you talk like a wacom shill! suspicious!

>>4764494
Fuck off Chang. Learn a lesson from your bank yesterday.

Why does Android get an app that lets you use the tablet as a desktop tablet for a one time payment, whereas all the iPad options are either shit or require a subscription.

Okay shit I'm back again:
I've had a Huion 19.5 inch screen, Gt-190 for five years.

Should I get a https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0749M1TBX/?coliid=I1SG8H581WYQAM&colid=3OJCYALIBZBZQ&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it

Huion KAMVAS GT-221 Pro?
Pros:
Its a 'pro'
Its 21.5 Inches
It has shortcut keys (not sure if I will use)

3.9 out of 5 score on Amazon, 117 reviews

Cons:
Shitty rechargeable pen that may become obsolete like my Gt-190's pen (cannot find a repalcement so I have to buy a new monitor)
It was made in 2017, making it more obsolete
NO tilted brush, cry

OR

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07VMLBYGC/?coliid=IKEB88RXIY10M&colid=3OJCYALIBZBZQ&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it

The newer, 2019 KAMVAS 20

Pros:
Tilted brush (does this matter?)
Good pen, battery free
Its newer

Cons:
Its newer so there are less reviews
Its slightly smaller
Its not PRO

>>4764828
huh, i didn't know they made a 2019 version of the regular kamvas 20
did they fixed the garbage wiring layout yet

Why are Huion tablets cheaper on Amazon then on their own website?

>>4764843
Apparenty they don't want to bother with the sales themselves.

>>4764828
Out of these two I'd recommend you get the battery free pen, everything else seems to be the same, but the battery and the charging connectors are the points of certain failure.

The pen tilt a pleasant little bonus, it helps when you're using a flat brush or something like a grass brush and need to hit the right direction.

How important is having the tilt?

>>4764880
Not very, unless you're really into huge brushtrokes with a flat textured brush.

It's literally the only sctual use to turn around a flat brush.

>>4764874
Thank you for the input, I agree. The pen is the reason why I can't use my monitor anymore so I'm really wary about it...

>>4764839
Are you referring to the wiring coming out of the bottom of the tablet? Goddmanit I can't tell:
https://store.huion.com/products/kamvas-20
Why is it so hard to have a picture that shows where these wires come out of?
On the pro it comes out of the side instead of the bottom/back.
That's something that I'm also very wary of because on my GT-190 the HDMI cable just falls out all the time.

>>4764909
>>4764839
Fuck! This is total bullshit!
The Kamvas 20 Pro has the wiring on the side where it should be, but the Kamvas 20 has it on the goddamned bottom again.
Why do these chinky idiots think putting the wires ont he bottom, upside down, where the stand is a good idea at all???

God, its between having a shitty rechargeable pen that will soon be obsolete (gt-221 pro) or having the wiring in a dangerously shitty and awkward , annoying place. (kamvas 20)

>>4765092
Take a look at an artist pro for a change.
The 16" model is a bit smaller and has no etched glass but you get a USB-C on the side and a new tight pen that feels better.

Huion only introduced the tight pen to the Kamas PRO 13 which is too small, 22 and 24 that are outside your budget

I committed to the Kamvas 20 because I'm wary of anything too old from Huion, and I'm excited for the tilt.
I wouldn't go any smaller because of the risk of wrist injury (which I'm a little prone to). I wish I could have gotten the Kamvas 22 but I needed this monitor ASAP.
I'll let you guys know how it goes.

Tangentially related, but has anyone compared brush performance on a Zen processor vs a recent Intel CPU? My Ryzen 2700X seems like it struggles a bit with large brushes on high resolution canvases in photoshop, wondering if I should replace it

>>4764102
>EMR can never be the same. Apple achives its performance with complicated software that tracks the accelerometers and gyroscopes in the pen using (you guessed it) an active battery. It then predicts where your stroke is going to be in order to basically eliminate latency and jitter.
Is it even proven the apple pen algorithmically predicts direction? I find it really hard to believe they pulled it off flawlessly, human designed heuristics are always full of flaws. I think it's more likely they have a very dense grid the pen tracks against, so the location of the pen tip updates with less movement and more frequently in practice (although polling rate may be the same as wacom, the pen can take finer steps and there's less extrapolation to determine if the pen is between points).

>>4765193
If you have poor performance in Photoshop it might be your GPU settings. If your GPU isn't super powerful try setting it to "Basic" or of it is set to "Advanced".

2700X should perform the shit out of PS unless your brush is absolutely crazy.

>>4765212
I have a 1080TI, should be fine, it was the last gen flagship GPU. It's mainly the wet brushes that do smoothing that are a problem. At size 100 on a 4k image they're clearly being bogged down if I stroke too fast. Maybe someone with a recently intel CPU can test it. There are some workloads where intel still has a huge advantage over AMD's Zen

>>4765208
I'm not a fan of Apple in general but you have to given em credit for stealing Wacom's lunch on the first try. My money would have been on Microsoft since they were doing Surface but well ... we know how that's going.
And if the patent on having a IRL color-picker built into the stylus is true, that's a game changer. Making color palettes relevant again is something that would send ripples through the industry.

>>4765223
Yeah make sure your GPU is set to "Advanced"

As for the brush if it's something size 100 but with a texture, tight spacing, complicated textured mixing it might just be this is what you get with PS.

>>4765223
yeah I'm pretty sure PS is optimized for Intel chips:

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Photoshop-CC-2019-CPU-Roundup-Intel-vs-AMD-vs-Mac-1295/

>>4765208
>>4765229
There's a reason why "it just works". Apple doesn't release anything until they believe it works. The Apple Pencil is proof of that.

>>4763499
I tried this bullshit,
it has no pressure sensitivity on Zbrush or Sai.
It fails to register that you're trying to draw in Sai so you just get overscroll bumping every other stroke.
And it randomly disconnects at the worst times, taking 5 frustrating minutes to reconnect.

>>4765208
In terms of it being a software thing, yes. Just changing to iPadOS from iOS dramatically improves the performance of the pen. I'm sure the digitizer is also really dense, but that's just one part of it.

>>4765229
They won't have stolen wacom's lunch until they make a 32" ipad

>>4765242
That's actually user error.
Because you're a dumb bitch.

>>4765092
Alternatively you can wait 1-2 months until the new 22" models are out. These are non pros though, so you're gonna get all the gimped shit that comes with it, but atleast this time bad wiring and pen isn't among them

>>4765260
What are you talking about? The video benchmarks show no difference in drawing performance between an iPad pro on iOS and one on ipadOS

>>4765283
Nobody wants a 32" tablet you moron, not even Wacom loyalists wanted it because it didn't sell.

>>4765453
Apple literally advertised the drop in latency from 20 ms to 9 ms as one of the key features of iPadOS.
It only applies to 1st party Apple apps for now, so it's 100% useless and gay. Nobody is arguing that you should actually use an Angry Birds machine for real work.
But on the quesion of whether Apple uses predictive algorithms based on feedback from the pencil, there can be no doubt.

>>4765486
Latency doesn't matter, jitter/wobble does.

>>4765530
There is no jitter/wobble in either case, so we can't use that as a benchmark. You can't fix perfection.
You can however improve latency with a better algorithm, which would be impossible if the pencil didn't predict your direction via software.

>>4765283
how about an imac with pencil support? :D

>>4765193
CC2020 runs like garbage. Downgrade to 2019 if you can.

Does the newer ipad pro's higher refresh rate make a difference in drawing?

>>4765457
People just don't want it because it's freaking expensive. There's no way it costs anything more like $600 to make

>>4765618
How do I do that if I just have a subscription? I don't see any options for downgrading to a 2019 version. The old one I see in "other versions" is 20.0.10

I live in Argentina, a country where everything is expensive as fuck. I have an old Wacom CTH-470 that works but I would like something a little better. The only options I have here in this shitty country that are "cheap" (a tablet that you can buy for 70USD globally costs like 120USD here) chink tablets. My options now are:
Veikk A15
Huion H950P
XP-Pen Deco 01

They all are 200USD (yes I know, Argentina). Which one should I buy? I am not kidding they cost 200USD. Huion is the only one that has an official seller here, and that is good because of the warranty. Thank you, I am really sorry I have to ask this question here

hey superdisplay shill
this shit isnt working
i get stuck on please wait and then it says driver error
if i put it in usb debugging mode it says connected, but nothing happens when i click "switch to windows"

>>4765658
I have a pro (12.9 3rd Gen) and non pro (9.7 6th Gen) iPad.

It makes zero difference.

>>4765670
No idiot, that don't want it because it takes up way too much desk space, and it's too big and heavy to move around. They literally had to lower the price and start including ergo stands to sell those shitpiles.

Money isn't even a factor for professional studios, which is the main market for cintiq pros, but they didn't buy them cause they're too big and the 24" model makes more sense.

>>4765670
>>4765670 #
No idiot, people don't want it because it takes up way too much desk space, and it's too big and heavy to move around. Wacom literally had to lower the price and start including ergo stands to sell those shitpiles.

Money isn't even a factor for professional studios, which is the main market for cintiq pros, but they didn't buy them cause they're too big and the 24" model makes more sense.

>>4763499
srsly, can't an ipad do this? even my old entry level android os jellybean phone can.

>>4765926
It can, except it's paywalled behind a recurring subscription fee.
On Android it's a one time payment of $10. On iPad, it's $80 per year for astropad.

>>4763744
Neither does this boyo, It's literaly written in their website that they don't have support for SAI

>>4766023
Pretty sure Astropad offers a one time payment option though. The subscription is for the pro version with extra features.

I ordered a wacom intous small fellow tablet chads.

>>4765687
I'm new to these threads but /ic/ is really small they don't like it and will insult you but making a thread has higher chances of an answer.

>>4766152
>intuos
>small
HA HA HA

>>4766162
Yes small.

>>4766152
people warned against buying small since the beginning of time, cancel it and get the medium or enjoy your wrist pain

>>4761887
Is the 2013 Intuos Pro really better than the newer Intuos Pro? Explain.

How trash is this one? Got it for pennies.

My brief review:
>small
>input lag
>bluetooth adds a little more lag
>doesn't make me better at drawing

Basically I'm just wondering if there's a hardware quality level or price point where perceived input delay goes away. It's sorta disorienting, but maybe you can get used to it and ignore it after a while.

What else about this can I expect to improve when I spend more money on a tablet?

>>4763196
I bought the huion kamvas pro 20 a year ago and the power adapter has already died affecting the screen.

>>4766472
Apparently they all are equally slow for some reason.

Getting a huion kamvas 13 2020 Tuesday with a usb c to c cable from amazon. It was this or wacom one for android compatibility. My computer broke but I got a samsung s9
What am I in for?

>>4767145
why did you pick the huion over wacom?

>>4767145
It's gonna be tiny but nice

>>4767223
Because the wacom has no pressure curve and money lol

>>4767145

dunno but this was what i was able to find with a quick search.

https://www.reddit.com/r/huion/comments/i2hqv9/hovering_pen/

https://www.reddit.com/r/huion/comments/i2l9gq/huion_pen_hovering_issue/

https://www.reddit.com/r/huion/comments/i24fix/no_signal_and_a_black_screen_on_a_kamvas_13_am_i/

https://www.reddit.com/r/huion/comments/i1tx18/my_kamvas_pro_13_refuses_to_let_me_scroll_using/

https://www.reddit.com/r/huion/comments/i19hhl/huion_kamvas_13_screen_unresponsive/

https://www.reddit.com/r/huion/comments/i0xzwj/my_huion_tablet_is_jumping_in_one_spot_idk_why/

https://www.reddit.com/r/huion/comments/i0t0fd/is_this_much_backlight_bleed_normal_for_the/

https://www.reddit.com/r/huion/comments/i2kwwu/just_save_your_money/

it might work fine for the first 90 days or so.

>>4767145
>for android compatibility
anon...

>>4767145
>What am I in for?
brace for buggy apps and unstable connections, i guess. even brad colbow the ultra mega shill admits that this feature on both wacom and huion still has a long way to go, and are mostly marketing gimmick at this point instead of an actual functioning feature

>>4761887
my budget is $300-$400 what should i get?

>>4766472
> could have just bought a medium intuos3 for less than $100

screen is a meme
bluetooth is a meme
No tablet makes you better at drawing. Drawing makes you better at drawing. But feel free to throwing money at it instead of practicing.

>>4767396
samsung s6 lite

>>4767404
>samsung s6 lite
your're telling me that this is better than a kamvas pro 16? or an XP-PEN?

>>4767412
yup

>>4767379
holy shit literally every post on r/huion is about an issue with their tablets. is wacom really the only good tablet?

>>4767429
no, samsung and the ipad pros are also good tablets. it all depends on what your workflow and budget.

what device is this?

>>4767412
Easily, it's not even close.

Chinkshit is not reliable.

>>4767429
>is wacom really the only good tablet?
wacom also has a shitload of complaints.

You guys think that future Apple Pencils will have their own OS called pencilOS?

>>4765208
If that wasn't how they worked, I don't think Apple would have bothered with this patent:
https://www.laptopmag.com/news/next-apple-pencil-could-draw-on-any-surface-and-even-the-air

>>4767736
...ANY surface?

>>4767761
Yup. Who needs a screenless tablet when any surface can act as a screenless tablet?

>>4767776
Imagine being able to calibrate your pencil to draw on your mac, ipad or paper (probably no windows/android/whatever because apple). That would overkill any standalone display drawing tablets.

>>4767736
Sounds like clickbait. What would be the use of drawing in air?

>>4768390
Just to show that it can. Being able to draw on any surface is more interesting imo

>>4768397
what's the pressure sensitivity of air?

Anyone know the brand of screen protector that makes you feel like drawing on paper?

>>4768405
dunder mifflin

>>4761887
>Budget
$2500
>Location
Chile
>Type
Display
>Size
idk
>Other information
hopefully some screen with 4k
>Previous equipment
Huion Kamvas pro 20 The Chinese cheated me, the screen only lasted a year and died from a short circuit that the computer adapter caused.

i use google translator for this.

>>4767436
Samsung tablets use last generation Wacom EMR

>>4768832
rather a last gen emr than something that will break within 6 months and costs 10x as much

>>4766399
The newer ones are designed to burn your nibs down, forcing you to keep buying new ones. Its a solution to their issue of having no further contact with their customers, since the tablets can go on for years.

Barely used PTH851 in a flawless condition for $200, good deal or no?

>>4769114
if it is medium or larger, yes

>>4769120
32,5x20 cm, which one would that be

>>4765208
Record your screen, open Apple Notes, and draw a straight line before making a very sharp turn with the Apple Pencil. Then stop the recording and play back that turn in very slow motion.

>>4769124
medium

My Wacom Pen and Touch from like 8 years ago is finally dead.
Granted, I didn't use it for like two years now, none the less, it's dead. The input lags like shit and drawing is just impossible with it. It threw some heavy stuff on it and moved it across half the country so I guess the sensor on the inside are broken.
Now I want a replacement, I'm just doing this as a hobby so I think some cheapo shit would do good.
So either a wacoom again or XP Pen. I'm willing to pay like 70~200 bucks.

Any suggestion what would serve me well? From the initial casual browsing on amazon I would love to get the XP pen deco 01, just because it looks nice.
Also the XP Pen Artist 12 grafic monitor is in my price range but I doubt that shit is any good, otherwise it wouldn't be so fucking cheap.

Any advice would be welcome.

>>4761887
im torn between buying the ipad 7th gen or the Samsung galaxy s6, which one is better?

>>4769150
Thanks

>>4769164
Artist series is OK. Not mind blowing but they do work. The 12 is small but your budget is limited so I understand, tho, I would implore you save up another hundred or 2 to save yourself some carpel issues.

That Aside, the Deco 01 is solid, but you have the budget to go for the Deco Pro which is more recently produced and may have some features you'd like.
Otherwise a second hand wacom is always a safe bet.

>>4769240
>Deco Pro
It might be a good tablet, but that silver plate for the buttons look like shit.
Deco 01 looks nicely and simple, Deco 03 also looks good.

Here I am buying tablets on how they look, jesus christ.
Can I turn these guys around 90° and draw by using them vertical? Would be a major dealbreaker for me. I couldn't do that with the wacom and that sucked.

>>4765687
Can someone answer me, please? I don´t know what to do I don´t have any other options.

>>4762095
innovator arrived bros, i will post my thoughts in a few days (compared to the ipad 12.9 gen 2)

>>4769290
dude do you know what thread you're in, the answer will be wacom or Ipad; or move to some other country!

>Could buy a tablet on ebay for 80 bucks and get it next week tuesday
>or could buy the same on amazon for 105 bucks and get it tomorrow
Fuuuck

>>4769474
the $25 bucks extra lets you try it out and return it if you want ebay sucks!

>>4769559
Too late, I already bought the ebay one.
Seller is XP Pen Germany, so I hope ...

I'm short on cash anyway and 25 bucks is a week of food and drink.

>>4769570
I hear you there bro, i'm broke too I've just been screwed over from ebay sellers to many times so hope everything works out!

>>4768799
iPad Pro 2nd gen 12.9" used with Apple Pencil.

>>4769164
Don't waste your time with Chinese trash. You will likely have to RMA it within a year. Same goes for newer Wacom.

Get a 2013 Intuos Pro if you can. It's by far the best, most reliable option and built to last.

>>4769232
Galaxy S6 by a mile. I mean, AMOLED display man, there's a reason it's more expensive, unless you were talking about the S6 Lite.

I'd still go Samsung because it has a bonded screen, whereas the vanilla iPad will have parallax.

>>4765687
my nigga I'm from argentina too and I too had the exact same cth-470 that you have

I bought a Xp-Pen deco 01 a month ago and haven't had any mayor problem since then my only problem is that the rubber grip of the pen is a bit loose but that really doesn't affect anything just my autism.

>>4769676
The 2013 Intuos Pro has poorly built USB slots that cave in easily they are not "built to last"

>>4769677
>AMOLED
Burn in is a nightmare for artists.

>>4769904
>burn in
Why do retards like you still fall for the memes? Burn in hasn't been a problem for 5 years. By the time you notice any burn in, it will be time to upgrade your tablet anyway.

>>4762229
there seem to be no option to turn off autostart within the Duet app in windows.

How viable is it to draw on a bluetooth screenless tablet while sitting on the couch, viewing the drawing on a TV?

>>4770517
People do this?

anyone know if the xp-pen deco pro has ever gone on sale on the xp pen website?
and if so, for how much?

>>4770517
It seems technically viable. I’m sitting about 20ft away from my tv/laptop and bluetooth seems to be working fine. Main issues seem more to be ergonomics and os/software (being able to see text and menu items) so i’d say there’s a greater dependency on express keys.

Is there a special grip you guys use when drawing on a tablet? The side of my hand is practically glued to the screen the entire time I'm drawing and it feels off, even with a glove on.

>>4771272
we told you screen tablet sucks

>>4769697
yup, he should get an intuos3 or an old graphire. Those tablets are built better than most tablets today and cost less than $100.

>>4769675
What's wrong with 3rd gen?

>>4771411
They fold.
They're more overpriced, even used 3rd is significantly more expensive than used 2nd.
The slimmer bezels are actually worse for drawing. You generally want thick bezels so your pen doesn't trail off the tablet when drawing with your shoulder.

>>4771597
>they fold

I thought folding tablets were in.

anyone order from xp-pens website before?
how are they with returns?

>>4771913

https://www.reddit.com/r/XPpen/comments/hoqqkj/2_faulty_tablets_and_2_months_later_received_a/

https://www.reddit.com/r/XPpen/comments/hrmrhs/delivered_artist_24_pro_package_empty/

https://www.reddit.com/r/XPpen/comments/i2hyxq/can_this_be_fixed_my_son_barely_used_it_turned_it/

https://www.reddit.com/r/XPpen/comments/i08u4b/xppen_artist_pro_156_screenpower_button_not/

garbage

>>4771981
>go on wacom reddit page
>its 90% posts about issues also
https://www.reddit.com/r/wacom
you act as if there's any other reason for a tablet forum to exist. of course the overwhelming amount of discussion will revolve around trying to solve issues. cherrypicking because you hate x brand and want to shill y isn't very convincing

Just got a wacom intuos small, does the stylus need to ever recharge? It has buttons so I assume it uses electricity????

Why are chinkblets so unreliable?

>>4772128
The stylus doesnt need to be recharged

>>4771344
>Those tablets are built better than most tablets today
They sure are built like tanks, they handle like a tank too, the drawing experience is FUCKING SHIT. you're much better off getting a Huion and when it breaks bgetting another Huion.

>>4772219
So? How much exactly are they unreliable? Have you ran a statistic or anything? The 3 I had all were reliable until a newer better model came out.

ipad is kill

what drawing software do you use on android?

>>4772631
I heard Infinite painter was really good.

clip studio paint is coming on android. will it be available for older tablets?

>>4772631
You dont.

How much better is xp pen's deco pro compared to the deco 01 v2? From looking at random reviews looks like the pro has slightly smaller area, and has a rotation wheel; doesn't seem to justify the significant extra price to me
Unless the driver support is better on that one i.e. the older model have jitter lag etc.

>>4772830
Deco Pro Medium is 1 inch larger than 01 but that is not substantial.
Deco Pro Small is fucking small so don't get it, i don't know who the fuck needs it, maybe if you carry it arund with your laptop.

The rotating dial is super fucking useful for photoshop and nothning else it's fantastic to have a dial instead of reaching for the [ ] keys when you are using PS but any othe normal software has a juick gesture for that.

So if you're going to be using PS Deco pro Medium might be your choice. I personally have no use for the dial or the express keys, i'm just using keyboard like a normal person.

>>4772801
6+ month timed exclusive for Tab S7

>>4772870
I hope that means they are serious about making a tablet fit for drawing. Imagine how fucking dumb Microsoft are to invent their Surface but make it so badly nobody would ever use it, then Applel comes along, steal the ided, and has all the money for years.

Fucking incredible.

>>4772870
Who cares? They don't optimize it.

>>4772353
> reliable until a newer model came out

the absolute state of chinkshills

>>4772353
>How much exactly are they unreliable?
>Have you ran a statistic or anything?
And a shi zhou shang to you, Chang.

I have a Wacom Intuos CTL 480 (bought in 2016ish). What do I stand to gain if I upgrade it now?

Maybe its time to upgrade to a display tablet but the only affordable display option here in the third world are Huion displays 12in (gt-116) or 13in (gt-133). It is going to be a downgrade in pen responsiveness from my current tablet?

>>4769449
ipad 12.9
+ VASTLY superior screen in terms of brightness, resolution, refresh rate. simply no contest
+ procreate remains king, cannot be beaten in terms of workflow (for quickly getting ideas down, gestures etc)
+ portable, you could actually take it places and do sketches of landscapes or something (i never did it yet though, also i have heard that the 12.9 can bend, which sounds horrifying)
+ no parallax
+ apple pencil objectively the best stylus, gives the tilt functionality, feels like a real pencil. i have no clue why display tablet manufacturers continue to make these stupid tiny 'nib' styluses
+ also a fully functional tablet. can check email, play music etc.
- limited by specs of ipad, eg. max number of layers in procreate (depending on canvas resolution) which can be challenging
- locked into apple ecosystem (duet and other screen-share tools presumably lose all the good gesture features which make procreate so good and the screen is too small for something like photoshop), may not have the tools for what you need to do (no really fully featured animation apps for one)
- pricey. even the pen nibs are fucking expensive for what they are
- limited on-board storage which can't be expanded. maybe the gayest thing about the ipad. what, is steve jobs going to rise from the grave if there's a micro SD card port? faggots
- have to recharge pen (actually pretty annoying, but presumably improved with the gen 2 pen for gen 3 and 4 ipad pros)
- screen can get warm, never been an actual issue, just alarming (why is pixels warm??? wtf)
- this model in particular (gen 2 12.9) is a power draining slut, drains the battery faster than it can be charged with a 'normal' adapter, but still get a day's use out of the battery if i remember to plug it in at night

>>4773950
innovator 16
+ turn it on and go, don't have to think about any batteries
+ bigger screen
+ not locked into certain apps etc - obviously far more apps and ability for customization
+ resources (memory, speed, etc) depend on computer, meaning that if you have a decent rig you can support far more layers, larger resolutions, etc.
+ the sidebar is usable, not hard to set up for left handed users either (just a matter of rotating the display output 180 and setting up the tablet upside down), also fully customizable
+ comes with a stand
+ dumb nib stylus, but at least it comes with a bunch of replacement nibs, also comes with a matte screen protector already applied (gotta buy one for the ipad or it's slippery garbage)
+ screen remains cold like emotionally distant parents
- screen is dimmer period, colors less intense, screen is lower res
- although it's 16 inches, by the time you subtract the screen space used by UI shit, it feels smaller or similar size to the 12.9 screen of the ipad
- difficult to simply rotate the motherfucking canvas, zoom, undo etc. really noticable coming from ipad, which has multi-touch etc allowing to 'pinch' zoom and rotate, and finger gestures for actions
- actually, as a true display tablet, limited to only the stylus as input (unless i'm missing something). can't tap icons with fingers or anything fancy like that. but as a silver lining, perfect palm rejection
- parallax definitely notable coming from ipad 12.9 however it is improved notably by 'calibrating' the tablet. this seemingly has to be done whenever it is powered on to get the benefit, but takes less than 20 seconds
- tentacled monstrosity of cables plugging into my computer (2x USB + HDMI), but is to be expected with a display tablet. but means it's definitely harder to put away if you lack desk space

>>4773952
i haven't used any drawing displays besides the innovator 16, but it's solidly made from what i can tell, doesn't feel cheap or like XP-pen are short changing for the price which is modest, especially seeing as you need to buy an apple pencil, stand, and screen protector for the ipad to be usable. the driver works and i haven't seen any spyware yet but i'm sure chang is selling my info on the deep web/ jerking off to the smut i drew / whatever the fuck

>>4773928
those seem like they'd be too small

>>4771981
>someone dropped a tablet therefore it's the companies' fault
kek

>>4773950
> what, is steve jobs going to rise from the grave if there's a micro SD card port?
Unironically want this to happen. He'd make Apple great again.

Looks like Wacom Japan is releasing a new stylus for the Wacom One that’s made of wood and designed to give the feeling of using a pencil.

>>4774073
Staedtler already did it

>>4773928
> downgrade

yes, you are not getting a more responsive pen experience. what you’re getting is parallax and a buggy experience. but dont take it from us who thought getting a screen was going to improve things, buy one and get disappointed.

>>4773952
Most of the negative points apply to most 16” displays to be fair.

why do all of wacom's avaliable products lack function keys and look ugly and rounded as shit

>>4772631
Sketchbook and medibang because they’re free. I draw, sorry wont help if you’re looking to photobash

>>4772631
desu, I like using artrage on my phone despite other better apps. kek

>>4774254
Why?

>>4774214
>>4772631
Infinite Painter, Ibis and Sketchbook are the best.

Clip studio and it's shitty desktop UI won't change that.

>>4774329
it's the only app/program that I know of that was created to somehow mimic traditional art. the default oil/watercolor brushes and canvas modes are neat. it also has a desktop version which has more functionalities. but I think artrage has not been updated for months now.
do you guys know any other app close to artrage? I want to try them.

>>4773950
Dunno about 2nd Gen but 3rd Gen supports external storage via USB-C so you can use those in lieu of an SD card. It's why I opted for a 64GB 3rd Gen Pro.

>>4761887

Any opinions on the samsung galaxy book flex? Anyone tried it?

>>4774710
>flex
Just no.

>>4761887
Can someone please explain to me why the iPad Pro still uses battery pens? Why can't it use EMR like Wacom pens?

How can one tablet be so based?

I don't even get why people would need such giant displays. I've been drawing on a 11" iPad and I never felt like I needed more space.

>>4775131
I went from a 10 inch display to a 24. Its shocking but its going to make you feel more relaxed when drawing. Took me a week of just staring at mine before my balls swelled up enough to use it. Fun as hell.

>>4775148
>Its shocking but its going to make you feel more relaxed when drawing.
How would you explain this if you had to? In your own words.

>>4774710
I havent but it looks like a better solution for those looking for at microsoft surface and wacom mobile studio. That 16” option is particularly interesting. Too bad that toothpick stylus tho

>>4775131
reference, less zoomings, more screen space for tools to show at all times, separate the same canvas for different thumbnails, faster lineart

>>4775157
What's wrong with a thin stylus?

Hello, so which tablet is better for a guy who never used a tablet to draw porn, Intous Pro M or Cintiq 16", on a laptop?
I used to draw pretty well, I figure in 6 months of practice I can start making money.
Thanks.

>>4775261
Theres no reason to buy screenless wacom tablets whatsoever. Way overpriced.

>>4775261
paper

>>4775275
Where I live it's 350 euro Intous pro M vs 600 euro Cintiq. I can upgrade later if needed, but I can also get the Cintiq as well. I read on the internet that Intous pro is more reliablie while being cheaper, wanted to ask your opinion.

>>4775281
As a rule of thumb, theres less that can go wrong with a screenless tablet. Not only because of the nature of the design but also because its very solid technology with rather few variables. Because of these reasons however, its also silly to pay anything more than 150 euros for one.

>>4775296
I imagine drawing on top of sketches is also much more convenient with a Cintiq.
Any other alternatives I could afford for about 700 euro budget? Malta/Lithuania

What about a Cintiq 21UX DTK-2100?
I found one apparently new, just lacks its pen (or at least this is that the seller claims) in marketplace marketplace?

>>4775306
Why would you draw on top of the sketch? Take a picture of it, then re-draw it digitally with your tablet.

How important is it for you to draw away from your computer? Both an intuos and a cintiq require you be attached to one. If you’re looking for a portable solution that’s in your budget there’s the samsung s6 lite.

>>4775178
hand cramping

>>4775344
I have one of these. Is pretty old (built 9 years ago) and is not worth.

>>4775156
Personally because I'm jumping between such drastic sizes it was kind of overwhelming to suddenly have so much usable space. Like wtf do you need all this space for? But after a few sessions of just putzing around and drawing big lines, big circles, big everything: it doesn't feel as big. It feels like the size I should be using honestly. The way I used the 10inch tablet basically made me feel safe and compact but the 24inch is large enough I can stretch basically my whole arm to draw at any moment. Its freeing to have so much space and no pressure to use it all all of the time. I can move if I want or need to, but 100% going from something I could carry like a pad of paper to an absolute unit that has no time or space for anything less than my full attention.

>>4775658
There are bigger alternatives that work the same that you can use

>>4775665
Ok, why?
I feel into the Huion Scamvas trap. So tell me...

>>4775344
how much

>>4775822
500 USD but, I live in Mexico. I can afford it, but I'll appreciate advices.

I did have problems with the Huion Kamvas devices. Currently, I working with my reliable Intuos Pro M 2015.

>>4775834
maybe if it was a 22hd, not a 21ux. The most i would go is 350 with a pen.

>>4774399
All I gather from that is that there is NO way to reasonably store files on the non $1000 bendable version.

>>4775834
dude it's dogshit. Just figure out a way to buy with buyerrs protections so you could return in case it's fucked and buy a huion, you will have a much betterr time.

>>4775752
I see, that makes sense.
I've never drawn on anything bigger than an A4 sheet, so when I first got a basic 10,2" iPad which I expected to be too tiny, I realized it wasn't at all... but I never indeed tried drawing larger sheets before, even when I spent a while studying fine arts with charcoal and whatnot.

All in all though I like to believe that certain types of artists don't necessarily need larger canvas, like the kinds that are very meticulous and perfectionist. Maybe.

would you rather get a lower end display tablet, or a good rep non-display tablet?
right now im debating between the xp-pen deco pro and the xp-pen artist 15.6 pro.
Any advice?
wacom is out of my budget before you say anything

also should i just avoid something with surface level scratches entirely if buying used? or are they mostly negligible?

i dont know why there are two threads so im asking in both

>>4775131
You're using apps optimized for the ipad display. Display tablets are basically another desktop screen, you run out of space really fast

>>4775855
If youre willing to pony up 40 Applebux there is an adapter that apparently converts lighting to USB3.

I still think you're better off with 3rd Gen in the long run since USB-C gives you access to more accessories and the Pencil charging is significantly more convenient and doubles as storage. You don't have to pay $1000 for it either.

Place I worked at shut for good 2 months ago, so decided to invest in my own graphics station. Just putting out what I bought to add to the general discussion.

Alienware R10 Ryzen 7 3700x CPU
AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT GPU
32GB DDR4 ram @3600 Mhz
2TB SSD storage
ASUS VG27AQ 1440p monitor
XP-Pen 22R Pro tablet
CorelDraw 2020
Corel Painter 2021

Budget I was shooting for was under 5G. (I have been saving up for quite some time).
Computer was $1800
Monitor $600
XP-Pen $700
Corel programs $900
Spyder Pro color calibrator $150

I had my reservations about the XP-Pen, but it has been working out great so far. I wanted a 22-inch display (21.5 on the XP) to allow plenty of space for actual artboard area and tool menus, but Wacom's prices were nearly the same for my whole fucking computer. Sheesh. At any rate, nothing bad to say about the 22R Pro tablet... Drivers updated fine, HDMI / USB C plugged and recognized right away. It's calibrated at 99% sRGB colorspace and is bright and responsive.
I do absolutely hate the touch-sensitive buttons on the upper right of the tablet... While the adjustable stand is fantastic, if you even slightly graze the button area with your hand when positioning, it can shut the display off or opens the menu window. Solution: cover the area with a piece of clear acetate or cardboard or something taped to the back that you can lift out of the way for when you really DO want to access the buttons.
While the resolution is at 1080p, the pixel density at this size I find to be really decent when creating art or even viewing other content as a secondary monitor.

Overall I'm happy with it.
I have no experience with Huion or other tablet manufacturers other than the Wacom models I've used in my field (21UX and 24HD) but I feel the 22R Pro gives me about as close an experience at just over half of the price of what Wacom is asking for a similar size in the 22HD.

Maybe it'll shit the bed a month from now, but until then...

>>4774399
2nd gen also can if you have the right adapter.

new thread

>>4776104
>>4776104

>>4775344
It worked fine for Reiq 9 years ago so if it’s new it’ll work for you.