/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Fanart and find a community to join

Examples
Fire emblem
Overwatch
Animalcrossing
Anime
Youtubers

Then slowly start making OG stuff

Like 80% fanart to start
20% OG

Then slowly transition

>>4738163
touhou

try using the #nobodyartistsclub tag?

I'm just spamming Touhou and When They Cry since those fandoms intersect quite a lot and it works fine. Just pick a fandom and grind a lot. I also suggest not picking the biggest ones out there.

damn, this is all I need to do to get clout?

>>4739512
Wtf?

>>4739512
never call my stickmen /beg/ again

>>4739512
the power of oppression

>>4739512
>all the likes and retweets but still only 1k followers

>>4739512
Black artists, especially women, are getting a big push on Twitter right now because of what's going on.

>>4739533
Likes =/= followers, someone on /ic/ gotten almost 200k likes and they only gained 9k followers.

>>4739533
>>4739539
>only 1k
>only 9k
>only

>>4739541
someone who got 25k likes and almost 9k retweets having 1k followers is weird. they all just liked it to virtue signal

Does twitter like seing the artist's face like instagram does? Is the toonme thing still popular?

>>4739552
Only if you’re hot.

Post your follower count, I'll start
>4

>>4739556
between 100000 and 140000

>>4739538
I’m not even black and any drawings I do of black people get more attention than they usually did before. Last year I drew this black girl who got a few thousand likes. Then recently I reposted the art and it got more than double the original amount. The increased attention does feel pretty disingenuous though, like twitter users are just jumping at the opportunity to show they like black people only because of current events.

>>4739533
Because liberal wypipo love virtual signalling by retweeting, but they sure as fuck aren't gonna actually support the girl.

>>4739598
People are actually commissioning and buying her stuff. They even show it in the comments.

>>4739556
1

>>4739556
996
it's been like that for a while, like twitter doesn't want me to get 1k.

>>4739556
23

>>4739556
16k

>>4739556
40k

On that note, if you stay off twitter altogether how much does the odds of SJWs targeting you for spicy opinions decrease?

>>4739658
What "spicy" opinions? It's racial shit, isn't it?

>>4739660
It’s always racial shit, you should already know the kind of people you’re dealing with on this site.

>>4739591
It's pretty fucked up. I know there was a lot of pressure last month to avoid posting on "Blackout Tuesday" but I ended up posting more on that day than any other
Plus, there's added pressure to add a bunch of links to blm donation resources, even if you're not a burger. It's insane
I'm really hoping it dies down soon but I'm glad you're able to get engagement from what you're doing

>>4739658
If you get big enough anywhere you'll get targeted for 'spicy opinions', not just twitter.

>>4739556
0

What do you guys draw to get that many followers? Ecchi? Coomer? Fanart?

>>4739556
734

>>4739556
>Almost 2k
Mostly because of fanart and I use a picture of a random Asian girl as an avatar

>>4739533
>still at 1.4k
wtf

>>4739626
same :(

>>4739825
>almost 100k likes
>2k followers
This is ridiculous

>>4740257
Most people don't stop and admire art. They look at it for 2 seconds, hit like, and never go back to it again.

I'm more confused how you build an audience on Instagram... how does anyone find your work on that site? Do you just tag each of your pieces with a billion tags?

>>4739658
Don’t share your opinions on public forums retard. And if you do please only share it anonymously

>>4740270
The like-to-follow ratio is still insane for a piece showcasing her original art though. I’ve gotten 1k followers from original pieces with 17k likes and I know people who got 10k+ new followers from original pieces with 100k likes. I guess it’s like >>4739598 said

>>4739580
Pics or it didn't happen

>>4739556
327

I have been watching someone I know irl very closely and he’s been attracting success in a unique way that I didn’t think of before.

I’m gonna keep this secret to myself.

>see artist with 8k followers
>joined twitter just 4 months ago
>only posted ~100 drawings that range from 30-600 likes
>not even popular on other social media
>Just your typical queer cartoony artist, doesn’t seem like the type to buy followers
fucking hell

>>4740483
It's possible. I posted about 10 drawings over about a year and ended up with close to 4k follows. Keep an eye on retweets. Personally I'm a bit lazy, but if you can, comment on some bigger artists that you like. Engagement is a big factor in terms of getting engagement back sometimes.

>>4740483
>>4740499
>find artists with a lot of followers, but mediocre art
>comment "i wish my art was this good"
>people check out your art and follow
>?????
>profit

Is shadowban an actual thing on twitter? I feel like I'm making now progress on either likes, RTs or followers for quite some time now, no matter what I post, when I post or how often I post.

>>4740505
This really works?

>>4740522
You'll get like 2 new followers at best. Nobody scrolls down the comments to click on people.

>>4740505
Hope I never sink so low to do manipulative shit like this for attention

>>4740505
I mean if you don't like the person and think their art is mediocre, you're sinking low.

>>4740522
>>4740532
No, that doesn't work. My comment was about the artist themselves taking notice, which does work. You'd be surprised how little comment engagement some really popular artists actually get, and believe it or not, we as artists tend to check our comments.

I've commented on someone with a 100k audience to say I liked their stuff (I did), and they followed and retweeted some of my stuff. If you like someones work it doesn't hurt to interact with it at the end of the day.

>>4740552
I always feel like they wont be interested in my comments and dont bother. Thanks for posting your experience I will try to be braver and comment on some artists whos work I enjoy.

>>4740561
I can't speak for everyone but a lot of people click through commenters profiles just to quickly glance, and if they see something they like then you've got a pretty big fan that can push your content. We also tend to follow people with content similar to ours in some degree, which means their followers are often a good potential audience.

I wouldn't go around commenting on people you don't like, but if you genuinely like someones content why not make a nice comment? It's honestly such an ignored piece of advice here. We all value comments, they leave a bigger impression than a like or a retweet.

>>4740578
yeah I never wanna go around and comment just to comment and get noticed, I always just want to leave geniue comments which I mean. I am trying to push myself this year to interact more online and especially with artist I love. from DA times I am used that my comments were ignored and it took me a lot of years to bother commenting again. I would never ever do something like that >>4740505

Thanks again anon

>>4739512
all virtue signaling whites that will never look at her art again

>>4740628
I would be really disappointed if I had this many retweets and likes but gained almost no follower, depressing.

>>4740593
Yeah, I found out through throwing a few genuine comments. I even see quite a few pieces with thousands of retweets but 1-10 comments. Your comment will take focus in their notifications. It kinda sucks when you think about it in terms of marketing, which is why keeping it to things you genuinely like is a good idea. It's just kind of something you should do without thinking much about it, and you may reap the rewards, you may not.

You'll get there anon, we all start out trying.

I'm kind of with you in terms of DA, that place has always been a bit terrible.

I hate that you barely get support for old art in twitter. Whatever gripes anyone has with da and tumblr, at least people there liked things older than 1 week.

>>4740674
Yeah. The one aspect I hate about newer socials is that content is an in-the-moment thing. Still, gotta keep with the times.

>>4739556
I got 41 now

>>4740693
On pixiv I still get like 2-5 followers daily without posting anything new since weeks. On Twitter even drawing something that's popular daily will get me maybe one follower per week. My only bet at this point is to be lucky and draw fanart of a fandom some big artist is into, who will then RT my stuff. I won't make it out of my own power. Despite what everyone told me, just drawing what I enjoy won't magically create an audience.

be consistent and get someone big to retweet something from you
a lot of big artists retweet people who draw their ocs
i've posted 3 or 4 times this month, one of the posts was cyancapsule's pig oc, he retweeted and it still get's some traction today
an irl friend with 40k told me it snowballs once you past a certain point, probably above 10k

>>4740693
It is what is it, but it's a comfy feeling seeing 12 year old art from an old account of mines getting likes to this day. It still lives on.

>>4740711
I feel like you anon. I am lucky that I got an audience by posting my own shit, but the fanart power is truly hard not to dip into. I caved when it came to doing a bowsette when it was popular. It was one of my most well performing tweets.

>>4738163
The transition is important because fans will get upset when you suddenly stop doing their favorite fanwork. It's best to mix things up and do the popular franchises. Look at Sakimi. Nier comes out => 2B coom.

>>4739720
I feel you. I'm not too active on my socials but I felt obligated to post the black square on blackout tuesday just to not get destroyed by my peers... What is this?

>>4740772
i mean u could just be one of those art accounts that never blogs, but just posts art w/o any words/context

but ofc, u have to be really good

>>4740270
it’s true. and most don’t even click to expand the image.

>>4740723
40k is nothing, and there's nothing like a snowball effect, unless you're the snowball itself, aka cutesexyrobutts, or click_burgundy. Even if you have 100k followers, if you posted a shitty drawing, no one will care, no interaction, no new follower, nothing! So you must draw as fast as possible and post new works as much as possible, likd fastfood. It's safer than take it slowly and try to draw a master piece, well it works for some, but still

i wouldn't be surprised if she was botting likes at this point.

>>4740711
>pixiv
Do you use japanese tags too?

How many times i should posting work?
I tried to post 1 twitter per day but i feel is taking to much time that i could use for practicing

I do a lot of sketch but the are not worth the twitter

>>4739556
none because i dont use twinktter

>>4740723
That’s pretty good follower growth. How’s your other engagement, for example your likes and comments? I have around the same number of followers as you do and it’s really sporadic at times

>>4741088
I don't really check comments because it gives me anxiety (i know, kek). I'm trying to post at least once a week but it's hard. I'm taking sketch commissions and i don't wanna dump them on my feed

>>4741307
That's nice numbers anon, thanks for sharing. Mine always gets a huge boost too when I post fanart but I don't want to always post fanart
I understand about the comments, but I always try to respond to mine because it helps bump up engagement a bit. People who use "Top Tweets" will see who they're following commenting on your post, which could lead to more followers

>>4738152
my only advice is that never draw fanart just to get audience of whatever series it is. You will be enslaved by these followers to keep drawing the shitty fanarts forever or until you setup patreon

>>4741359
didn't know about this top tweets thing. I might try engaging more with the comments, thanks for sharing

179 on the Twitter

>>4741384
yep ill second this, if you do fanart atleast do it of something you actually enjoy or youll be miserable down the line

>>4741384
>>4741536
How are you supposed to show up on peoples radar then?

>>4741034
Yeah, at least for the anime stuff I draw.
>>4740726
I made some fanarts of popular artist's OCs before which always did really well (my usual stuff barely reaches double digits while those rank up to 1.5k) but even then barely anyone follows me. I tried excusing it with my art being total garbage but apparently that isn't even the case. I will just sit back and let luck handle it from now on.

>>4740425
>not gonna tell you
Why even post here then. It's probably some cheap marketing trick anway

>>4740483
100 drawings in 4 months means a very consistent upload schedule, probably the easiest way to consiatently grow your fanbase

>>4741665
>I made some fanarts of popular artist's OCs before which always did really well (my usual stuff barely reaches double digits while those rank up to 1.5k) but even then barely anyone follows me.
Do you draw one person's OC and never draw them again? Personally I only follow artists that consistently draw things that interest me, if they don't and there's other fandoms and whatnot I won't follow no matter the skill level, because I don't want that cluttering my feed.

>>4741683
As for other people's OCs I don't usually draw them often because it just seems way to awkward to me even if I really like them. In terms of general fanart I'm mostly posting stuff for 2 fandoms and lately my own webcomic stuff. I can get why people don't wanna follow but it seems that the ones that did follow aren't even interested in the fanart I post or anything really, which is kinda weird to me. Maybe they're all bots and I'm actually still below 100.

>>4739556
>268!
Was stuck at 240 for a while then i started doing fanart

>>4741728
How did it help you?

>>4741729
Well its slow, but i didn't get a single follower for months, but then i did some fanart of stuff i liked

Slowly but surely!

>>4741717
It's possible your followers aren't even seeing your art due to low engagements. The algorithm tends to push down those posts and since you draw for 2 fandoms + OCs your engagement to follower ratio is going to already be very low.

>>4741732
How do I fix this? Focus on one fandom and keep OC stuff to when I have a real audience for it?

>>4741753
I think sticking to one fandom is best for small time artists like us. I often see artists struggling because they draw for multiple fandoms despite having nice art. The OC stuff is going to be low engagement either way so unless it's high volume I would just keep doing those.

The true fix would be simply having friends with high engagements regularly retweeting your art.

>>4738152

Don't overthink it, at first I was like this, believe me or not, I tried all the cheap tricks possible, waste of time.

Only 2 questions you need to answer: "Do you draw a lot?", and "Are your drawings appealing to your target audience?". If both of them are Yes, then popularity is pretty much guaranteed.

99% of /ic is unable to do it tho

>>4741773
I draw a lot but I don't know if my drawings are appealing to my target audience. I mean obviously they aren't but I don't know how to change it and I also don't know who exactly my target audience is supposed to be.

>>4741884
>I don't know if
>I don't know how to
>I also don't know who
Not the anon that you replied to, but why don't you post an example? At least we can work from there

How many likes per artwork is a good start on twitter?
I don't know whether I should stop posting to grind fundies or post something but not have it get thousands of likes.

>>4741993
200-300

>>4739338
These tags are useless. They get saturated so quickly your slot is about a second or two.

>>4738163
This is good advice.

>>4740636
This one's the worst. If you get your fanart picked up by the original creator expect a bunch of likes and retweets and zero new followers.

>>4739732
Always fanart. Fanart works.

>>4740279
I grew quicker on instagram than on twitter, but instagram is a soulless void. You get likes, zero engagement, and no friends.

>>4740561
It's called SOCIAL fucking media, my dude. Most of the mid-range artists are EXTREMELY active.

>>4740512
shadowban dot eu

>>4740933
> So you must draw as fast as possible and post new works as much as possible
Of course, because regardless of how good your art is, it always lasts the same amount of time on someone's (or a hashtag's) feed. There's no algorithm for "latest but kinda good". It's either "latest" or "top".

>>4741993
3% - 5% likes to follower ratio is good enough. At the start it might be less. 10% is what's considered exceptional.

On instagram the ratios are higher but it means less because people regularly just scroll and like everything they encounter.

>>4738152
1. If you're not in the US don't use schedulers to post in "Twitter's peak hours" (i.e. 11 a.m. and 3 p.m. Eastern Standard Time). I know you've been told by "social media gurus" that that's what you want, but what you actually should be doing as an artist is posting during the most active hours in your timezone. That way you can be there when people comment, you can engage with others "live", and you can stay on top of your feed.

2. The only app I use is tweepi. It suggests people you can follow who are likely to follow you back and do things you're interested in, and it's got a bunch of metrics.

3. While you should certainly be trying to get picked up by someone with a bunch of followers, don't aim for the ULTRA famous. You'll barely get any new followrs from them. Aim for mid-tier instead.

>>4742033
I just recently got 400% likes to follower ratio post and I don't know whether that's good since only 10% of the poeple that liked the artwork actually followed me.

>>4742033
>shadowban dot eu
what the fuck? I have like 10 followers. Guess fuck me in particular then?

Oh I figured it out, it was from a stupid meme comment that I made that had a bunch of fuck words. Should I delete bros?

>>4742077
ah shit lol afaik there's no way to return from twitter jail so unless you've got thousands of followers you might as well start over, DM your followers and tell them to follow you back because you lost your password after you had to wipe your phone.

>>4742077
Delete the reply and don’t use twitter for a couple of days.

>>4742077
>Reply Deboosting causes an account to be hidden behind the "Show more replies" barrier
jeez

>>4742078
>>4742079
>>4742083
Thanks guys I deleted the tweet and we're in the green again.
Funny to think that a stupid meme reply could potentially rob me of tons of connections.

Guess being funny is not allowed anymore. It wasn't even an offensive joke, the only "offensive" thing I said was "fucking hacks".
Now that I think about it, maybe mentioning Rich Evans was the problem...

>>4741773
i feel like i have too many different audiences im targeting, which is to say, more than one group, but i like drawing different things some times

>>4742149
I recommend finding a fandom that has a lot of characters in it so you can draw different things all the time while still targeting the same audience.

>>4742077
>Search Suggeston ban is turned on
>Search ban is turned on
What the fuck is that, I have twenty followers on Twitter, I don't participate in any discussions, the most offensive things I did were drawing mild masturbation NSFW porn and saying that the world is laughing at Americans. Fuck, now I know why I couldn't get people even while drawing with popular tags

>>4739556
11k

>>4739556

About 73. On one hand, it's been mostly organic save for a few posts made to intentionally get more followers. On the other hand, it does make me upset a small bit that I can't seem to get any faster traction. Half the goddamn time it seems like it's Twitter/Instagram's algorithm intentionally suppressing my shit nobody sees it, which in turn translates to nobody reposting, liking, or commenting on my art.

What a shitty vicious cycle.

>>4742265
No one suppresses your art. If the artwork gets a lot of engagement quickly it will be shown to more people but if it doesn't it won't. You probably just aren't good enough or don't target a certain audience ex. create original content that no one is interested in.

>>4742270

Sorry, "suppress" was too strong a word. My point was that it just seems that there are A/B/C things that are determined to be popular according to social media algorithms, and thus those algorithms will try to pump those out intentionally to more people since that's what it thinks people want to see, which in turn makes it more popular, etc etc etc.

Your point about my works not being good enough or not interesting enough is probably true regardless, though. I need to git gud more.

>>4742226
Most nsfw accounts are shadowban, stop making excuses. Twitter Search and hashtag are almost useless anyway.

What are some popular tags I can use?

>>4741897
I'm working on a little something right now, just a sketch but I could post that since I don't plan on posting it on Twitter at least for now.

>>4742290
#drawingwhileblack #visiblewoman

>>4742274
Good, fuck coomers.

>>4739556
stuck at around 300

>>4742332
based

>>4742151
No wonder gacha shitters do so well.

>>4742420
What’s a Garcia shitter?

>>4742580
A weeb or a nip artist that would constantly draw or post games related to gacha games like fate.

>>4742580
*gacha

I started a twitter pod with a bunch of other artists around 10k followers range. I'll let you guys know if it does anything.

>>4742600
Like a podcast?

>>4739556
>3771

>>4739556
5k

>>4738163
wrong.
100% OG from the start that way you know your followers are there for you and that's all that matters.

fuck fan art and fuck niggers

>>4742607
No its basically just a group where we retweet each other's stuff to try to signal boost.

>>4741884
get good, that would probably help

>>4742627
How did you get involved in one of those?

>>4742625
Are there any social media artists (not industry artists) that made it purely through original content?

>>4742638
I started it. Asked a bunch of my mutuals who were already retweeting my stuff, then had them bring in other people. It's still < 10 right now and we've had like 3 new art posted since it started so not a lot of data yet.

>>4742650
https://twitter.com/henken_second
This artist draws his one OC for like 90% of his posts. I remember a few years back he wasn't even that popular but now he's decently big on twitter.

>>4742625
Post your blog or you’re bullshitting.

>>4742672
why are you jealous that your art isn't good enough for people to like without posting boring fan art

>>4742676
It’s not jealous, just want proof or more examples.

>>4742687
He didn’t say he had a lot of followers. I don’t see the problem with fan art either tho. Artists love to draw and if they are into something, they’ll express it with drawing. If it’s the case where an artist is only drawing fanart for an IP for followers, they’re only really punishing themselves. Drawing something you’re not into can feel joyless and will burn you out.

>>4742710
>He didn’t say he had a lot of followers.
Not the guy you're replying to but the OP is asking how to build an audience

>>4740772
If that's the case your `peers` are shit humans and you should stop engaging with them.

>>4742896
Nah he’s just retarded or overly self conscious. I have mutual that are radically left and BLM protestors and they didn’t post the black square.

>>4739556

>>4742033
>3% - 5% likes to follower ratio is good enough. At the start it might be less. 10% is what's considered exceptional.
Really? I think the ratio might be significantly higher if you're still small, like 20-30%

>>4743014
how did you get there? how long did it take?

>>4743407
I joined twitter in february 2015, it took me more than 2 years to get my first 1k followers. posting art alone is not enough to bring followers, you need to know your "meta' and what kind of art you want to make, if you're not going to do lewd stuff you need to focus on a community and expand to other communities with time, like making commissions for mmo players. move to other games, make emotes, and you HAVE to be active. a month that I wasn't active and I lost 240 followers

>>4742663
What’s your art look like? Do the others in the group have the same level of art skills as each other?

>>4743447
Are/were you a coom artist? Or fanart artist?

>>4743601
Fanart, can't actually make lewds to post on my own account because I work for a game company

>>4739556
6100

>>4743447
do you post a lot of non art stuff? blogs, talking to people, game screenshots etc

>>4742077
I have reply deboosting too what the fuck.

>>4742077
>>4744222
Looks like reply deboosting is temporary and will go away eventually

>>4739825
Does this person post art and art-related posts only or is their feed mostly personal posts?
I gain followers much easier since I cleaned my account and made a separate personal one to interact and talk with people.
Whenever your art catches someone's interest, they'll scroll for a bit on your profile/image gallery. If it's hard to see more of your art, they're not gonna follow.

>>4744227
i see a lot of popularish english artists that talk alot and blog alot though, and it gives them character

>>4743447

You didn't post for 1 month, and you lost 240 followers? As in those followers noticed you didn't post, and actually went to the trouble of going into their followed menu and then again went to the trouble of finding you so that they could specifically unfollow you? The fuck you want those kinds of followers for? They weren't genuine followers at all.

>>4744530
Yeah, sounds like bots or follow for follow accounts

>post something
>lose followers
the worst feeling

>>4744226
Reporting in: it is gone now after I wished a happy birthday to some mutual

>>4744718
same
>try drawing something that isn't a cute girl for a change, spend hours on it, and feel really proud of it
>post it
>lose followers
>never draw anything other than cute girls again

>>4744943
What did you draw?

>>4744943
>browsing timeline
>see some artist that you forgot even existed posted art
>"I don't like him anymore"
>unfollow
That's how it works. They'd unfollowed you at any other given time should you remind them that you exist.

>>4744951
Of course I know that kind of stuff happens, I do that too. It was still surprising to me because it was the first time I mostly lost followers instead of gaining them after posting something.
>>4744948
A couple alien insect designs. One had a cute simple cartoony design and the other was more detailed/angular. They weren't meant to be gross(I get grossed out by bugs myself) but I guess it turned people off.

>>4744960
You should have only stick with the simple cartoony one instead or have something like a cute girl(since your audience wants that) riding or hunting one down.

>>4744960
>>4744980
Never let your audience decide what to draw. Shake it up by drawing completely different things and in the end you will have the most loyal fanbase that like you for your art and not for a specific thing that you draw.

>>4744943
The goal is to get so good you losing a 2-10 followers won't mean shit if you get 2-10 new followers every 1 hour.

>>4744220
Yes I do, I do post opinions, game/anime related stuff etc, people are going to interact more with you if you're just being yourself there and if you have more interactions twitter is going to recommend you to more people

>>4744530
some people do unfollow after some time because they want to reduce their following number and a lot of people get banned from twitter for yelling at blue checkmarks, when you have a "big" account you're going to lose followers every month from suspensions or for other reasons but the number of new followers are usually higher, in my case since I wasn't posting or being active twitter wasn't recommending me to other people

The thing is, a lot of people are going to find you not only from retweets but because twitter is going to show in your friends replies to other people in your timeline, so if you're not active you're always losing

>>4744530
Also to add to that, I used to tweet around 3-4k tweets per month, I'm not having time because of my job to keep being active with fan art or just interacting with people so all lines go down, twitter is like a full time job if you want to make money with art and you NEED to be really active

>>4745079
I post once or twice per week and have 25-30% of your stats what are you doing

>>4739556
around a 10 year account, 7 followers. 2 of them bots. I post stuff, but I barely ever use hashtags or anything. I like it this way

>>4745104
from my 326 tweets something like 320 were replies to people asking me stuff and not content, but that's also kinda what I always did, I try to reply to everyone when I can, this is from my last active month on twitter

>>4745079
How the hell do you tweet that much, were they all drawings or random thoughts and shit too?

I notice that my tweet impressions to profile visits is also way way lower than yours. I wonder what the reason is there...

>>4745291
99% of my tweets lately are random thoughts and stuff that I'm doing, but not art anymore because I don't have time to make much art anymore and the art I'm working right now can't be published until the game is released, so I give people advice or just chat in general, I retweet others art posts and videos too

Just analyzing my tweets seems like without getting a few ultra popular people to retweet my stuff they just don't really blow up =/

Everyone keeps saying to engage and talk with others, but how do I do this? Go through a random art tag and compliment someone’s drawing along with liking it? If this is the case, do I have to follow them, elsewise wouldn’t my compliment come off as insincere? At the same time I do not want to follow people if they blog about their lives/politics/random shit no matter if I truly like their art or not. I only want art on my timeline.

>>4745291
Do you have an aesthetic avatar? Having an avatar that makes people think you're the artist and want to click on your profile drives a lot of traffic.

>>4745413
Yeah, I actually think that could be the issue. I'll change my avatar to something more akin to my art the next time I post shit and see if it improves at all.

>>4745413
I had no idea about this personally either. Thank you anon.

>>4745412
Engage with people you already follow. Leave comments on their posts. When they make non-art tweets, respond to those too. I only do this with people I'm already following.

>>4745437
Make sure you have a cool looking banner that's made from your art too. Collage works as well. Have your pinned tweet be your most popular/best work

I keep being 'stuck' at a certain follower count until someone big RTs my fanart then I gain a couple followers and afterwards I'm stuck again, stuck meaning <10 followers per month. I tried posting art daily, it had next to no effect and lately I keep losing followers when I post new stuff. I only post art, art related talk or RT art that fits with the stuff I draw. Anything else I can try before I take the coom pill?

>>4745460
You just have to chug along until you get a lucky break. That's why people jump on those trending hashtags when a lot of people are actively searching for the flavor of the month if you're early enough you can get some attention even if your account is small.

>>4745446
Most of the people I follow have 5k+ followers and their art is much better than mine. Why would they respond to me or even acknowledge me in anyway with sub 50 followers and lower level art?

>>4745501
Yea you’re fucked.

>>4745476
Either I'm too slow or it's not working for me. What's trending at the moment? The last thing I tried was the selfdeprecation hashtag which had even lower engagement than my usual posts.

>>4745524
Try helltaker, people are still doing it and gets 3k+ likes.

>>4745501
A lot of artists will respond to comments, especially if they don't get a lot. Of course if your art isn't that great yet then they won't follow back.

You should probably just stick with drawing their OCs for some popular artists (make sure they retweet these first).

That's how I went from around 150->1000 I did a contest for a really popular artist and won it (100k+ followers) and also then got retweeted by another big artist from the first artist's circle of mutuals.

>>4745524
#helltaker was really big last 2 months, not sure how much gas is left in it. I got 10k, 9k, and 6k likes with my 3 Helltaker posts when on average I got like < 2k for most of my previous ones outside of a few spikes.

Vtubers are the big thing right now, since the Vtuber channels themselves have an official hashtag for artists to use and they retweet good ones from the hashtag, I saw this one artist go from a few hundred to almost 4k in a few months just from only drawing VTubers.

>>4745532
Where do I start with V-tubers? I ignored the whole scene since hearing about Ai-chan in 2017? 2018?

>>4745526
>>4745532
I've seen it around for the last months but I don't know if it will still work now especially with a reach of only like 20 people.
>>4745550
I'm with you. The few stuff I did see lately seemed really cringy to me. Some have nice designs though.

>>4745527
What was the name of the artist you drew for?

>>4745563
Vtubers in general is just cringe. Grown men pretending their hot anime girls will always be embarrassing.

>>4745566
Slugbox, then another post got retweeted by Norasuko

>>4745527
drawing a popular artist's OC unprompted feels so simp

>>4745579
nice

>>4745673
Don't just do it out of the blue. Comment on how much you like their art and their OC first too. Also check that they actually retweet when people draw their OCs.

Online art is a hustle and joining this late in the game you either gotta commit all the way and do everything you can or just accept that you probably won't get noticed for years. I've seen really great artists stuck at < 5k followers for years simply because they don't play the game and they haven't been lucky enough to trend.

>>4745685
Is there anything specific to do if you're really small? I always see people talking about being around 2-5k followers but I'm still even below 500.

>>4739512
>clout
stop acting black.
she got the attention for being black.

>>4740257
you need to understand that people only liked her bullshit because she's black. it was never about genuine enjoyment of her work.

>>4747201
>clout is ebonics now

Ok

>>4739512
She only gained 3k followers from this tweet alone. That’s pretty sad, ngl.

>>4738152
How do Twitter impressions even work?
Do they the amount of times I look at my own stuff. someone explain this to me.

>>4747332

>>4739512
I feel so pretentious whenever I call my work “art”, let alone complain about people “sleeping” on it. Just fucking draw I swear to god.

>>4746347
Jump on either the #helltaker or the vtuber train. I just tried #helltaker again and its really hot still.

Otherwise draw popular artist's OCs

>>4747332

>>4747600
Kek

>>4747332
>only gained 3k followers
When you think about it, that’s kind of a huge accomplishment for someone with this style

>>4747332
>She only gained 3k
>only gained 3k
>only 3k
3k is a lot! I don't even know 3k people irl.

>>4745570
It's twitch thots for weebs

Is a consistent 13% engagement rate gud?

>>4747600
Drawing droids is fun, but I need to draw more boxes and do some perspective. Droids themselves are sort of boxes.

>>4748708
No, 13% means you're not going to get your tweet exposed to people outside your existing followers unless you get a lucky retweet.

At close to 20% you'll start seeing new followers and at 25+% is when your tweet blows up.

>>4749476
Fuck. Well thanks for the explanation.

People always say one should engage and interact with others on twitter a lot, but then I look at cutesexyrobutts and that guy got huge essentially overnight and he does nothing but post pictures at a constant rate, so what's up?

>Wanting Twitter likes
Hmhm hmhmhmhmhmhmhmhh AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA IS THAT SOME KIND OF TWISTED JOKE

>>4751492
That sums it up about coomers.

Why is it that people that do fanart for a single IP do better than people that do multiple? I unironically enjoy drawing characters/things from all the IP I like, but followers only want art from one IP

>>4748708
13% of all followers are responsible for 50% of all cancelings

>>4751518
>Ugh who’s this random from a game I’ve never played? I followed you so you could eventually cycle over to who my favorite, not someone you enjoyed drawing.

>>4751492
>>4751505

Are you high? No one is on twitter for the likes. You want 100 thousand retards looking at your shit because at that point if even a fraction of those people throw you money you're gonna be well off.

>"I want to be unknown as fuck!"

Yeah bro you go do that though I'm not sure about that business model on a social platform.

I hope you're not memeing the fuck out of me and going to reply with the fact good as fuck artists have fuck all followers, because you know damn well those people aren't relying on social media for income so fuck off wiith that shit.

>>4751518
Draw what you like and hope people like it too. You're going to be happier in the long run because you'll be able to keep going while everyone else runs out of steam.

>>4751542
I’m talking about this part right here, just replace color theory with anatomy. Coomers don’t care for about proportions and anatomy as long they can get their dicks wet. I don’t give a fuck about likes, I’m a hobbyist.

>>4751546
that's what I plan on doing, homie. cheers.

>>4751445
Posting high engagement posts at a constant rate is one of the best ways to get the twitter auto recommendation to work in your favor. However, can you actually generate that amount of output at the rate he does? He posts like every other day and they're all very solid pieces that his existing fanbase will engage on.

Most artists don't have that kind of output so if you post a new work only a few times a month or you post a lot of sketches or other random crap (low engagement) you'll need to socialize and network to make up for that.

A recent post of mine only got about 1.5k likes after 4 days (pretty much died off) then I asked a friend with a huge following to retweet it and it jumped to 4k+ in a few hours.

>>4738152
this thread is cringe and bluepilled. I'm gonna drop the based and COOMPILL: draw fanart of e-thots that have over 100k followers; but check their page to see if they retweet fanart. I get like 150 followers for every retweet desu.

>>4745685
>>4745673
nah, ignore this person. Draw popular peoples' oc out of the blue is good.

>>4751736
How many did you get for Bell Delphine

>>4751754
i think she just ignores people; go for the sorta big but not super big turbo thots

>>4751754
What a bitch lol, funny cause she's trying to get Pewds attention recently

>>4742355
>>4742332

>>4751736
tfw all your tweets are for multiple e-thots and you look like a simp

Can art get me an e-thot gf?

>>4752141
If you're e-famous and make a lot of money

>>4739556
317. could be way higher if i posted daily but i draw at my own rythm.

>>4739556
10.

>>4747332
Getting the impression that straight up telling people to RT your art is what helps

>>4747332
>>4753717
>Just like YouTube, you have to tell your audience to support you even though it cleaves any sense of humility or professionalism from your work.

>>4753741
Who cares about humility? This is the new meta and how people should be grinding social media.

Just an update, I got 20k likes from a post with a 26% engagement ratio. Got something like 2.5k new followers from it too.

>>4753752
>>4753717
Try it and tell us how it goes

>>4753802
>Just an update
Who the fuck are you?

>>4753802
Which anon are you? Also, no I won’t do that, I have some dignity and won’t accept handouts.

>>4753809
>>4753815
I posted about the engagement ratio info earlier

>>4753836
>>4753802
Yeah that makes sense, I got a ratio of 1/3 last year and that got me nearly 20k likes. It dropped off after a couple days after massive follower accs retweeted it though.

>>4754003
>It dropped off after a couple days
Doesn't that happen with every popular tweet? Man I miss tumblr

I’ve been posting art every day for a month and have only gained 10 followers. Am I doing something wrong? I make sure to use many tags in my art, I tried drawing fan art too, but that didn’t seem to work either. Suggestions?

>>4754046
Indeed, that happens to every tweet on twitter. What I mean was the engagement ratio dropped so the early ratio matters more in determining how big it'll get.

>>4754051
Basically you have to get a more popular artist to notice you like this >>4740723 >>4745685 or some other way.

I was in the same boat as you for 5 months and tags didn't do squat for me. Then one day I followed this artist with 1,000+ followers. I didn't think much of it, but they followed me back and retweeted a drawing I did of my oc that got 1.4k likes and got me 180 followers. It may not seem like much but it really helped kickstart my account's growth. I kept posting fairly consistently and now I have 17k followers.

>>4754003
Same I posted mine on Friday and by Sunday night it was nearly dead.

Also I just posted a new one marked for sensitive media and it started at 23% engagement but dropped to around 19% stable. At that point the rate of likes/retweets dropped by a lot until a big account retweeted it

>>4754051
>>4754069
Don't use more than 1-2 hashtags at a time. Japanese hashtags seem to be pretty good if you get in early enough. For example, if you're doing Helltaker fanart don't do #helltaker #justice #heltaker_fanart or all that just do #helltaker and put Justice in the text search will bring up both either way. Twitter seems to actively penalize you for using too many hashtags.

Use your twitter analytics to see what posts you made have the highest engagement ratio, that'll tell you what your audience likes and you need to actively target them with your art if you want to grow organically. Or if you don't like that direction you need to actively pivot and network with other artists to get access to their followings that might like what you want to do.

>>4753752
you make me sick

>>4740723
I'm at 4020 now
i've noticed it's getting faster/easier

>>4740723
How do you see this?

>>4754240
>Don't use more than 1-2 hashtags at a time.
I’m the second person you replied to and I never used more than one hashtag. I don’t use hashtags anymore anyway now that I have more followers who do the work spreading my art anyway.

>>4751562
they carry good money senpai

it sucks but what are you gonna do?

>>4742625
BASED

>>4754302
socialblade the website

>>4739556
36 but my gf follows me on 3 different accounts and 3 friends all follow me on 2 or more accounts. So technically only like 25.

I find it really curious how instagram / twitter algorithms are designed in a malefic way to turn people into a real slaves of such social medias, they are not broken to be fixed like people ask, they are working as intended.

>>4738152
after a long struggle of trying to make it work for me, I've finally admitted to myself that browsing twitter makes me anxious af no matter how I try to curate my experience, so I decided to delete my account a few days ago.
I regret nothing.

Some of the strategies listed here are downright humiliating. Is the state of Twitter really so terrible and stacked against people that aren't incredibly manipulative?

>>4754764
That's just life in general now a days. You gotta tow the line and do humiliating shit to get where you want to be or be incredibly lucky and amazing at what you do. People say just draw what you want but there's tons of people that are sitting at sub 20k/10k/5k followers despite being amazing artist. You gotta pander to the lowest common denominator to get retweeted by someone big instead of just doing good shit and being retweeted a bunch by smaller people.

People keep forgetting twitter is not made for artist or content in general, that's not shooting off hot takes in the void. Also to be quit honest, people should be shooting to be more then a twitter artist, like working on a comic book or video game.

>>4754487
They're designed to sell ads, not benefit casual users. Before FB bought IG a few years, it was great

>>4739591
race has been commodified just like everything else

>>4754764
you also can be like cutesexyrobots and just output good pieces every other day.

>>4755469
>good
isn't that guy a pornfag?

>>4755469
Stfu you brain dead coomer
>>4755507
Yea he draws porn.

The power of fanart...

>>4755624
Fan art of what series/character? Also was this coomer art?

>>4755697
I'm the fag who does botw fanart.

>>4755765
Did you get any opportunities from your shit blowing up?

>>4739556
>Followers
7
>Following
770

>>4753717
It’s literally a twitter trend right now

>>4755811
I fucking hate this world

>>4755772
Many people wanted commissions, but I don't do them. I'm not really looking for opportunities, I just want people to look at my art.

>>4755823
Living the dream nigga

>>4755811
>It costs 0$ to retweet a fag
>only your dignity and my shame
why are artists such fags holy shit

>>4755823
Good job now even more people would want to commission you. This basically raises your value as an artist in the public eye.

>>4755844
>RAISE your value as an artist with this one simple trick!!
>crabs HATE him

>>4755844
I just don't wanna do commissions. Not tricking anyone.

>>4755624
What site is this?

>>4755811
>not a single person I follow is doing this trash
feels good, man

>>4754372
Absolutely terrible hands

>>4753717
This person can't draw hands

>>4755823
If you want to just passively collect money put your designs on teePublic or redbubble and just put a link in your profile.

I use teePublic myself for some apparel + accessories and they're pretty hassle free I just get a deposit every month without having to pay any attention to it. I've bought some of the designs myself to use and quality check and they're pretty good.

>>4755869
analytics.twitter.com

>>4755811
anyone else get hard thinking about lesbians looking down on men in disgust for fetishizing them but also secretly enjoying the idea that they are being fetishized

>>4754046
I get notifications from likes when I post something for 12-24 hours and then complete silence

>>4756357
the twitter algorithm is some combination of engagement ratio + time elapsed + some other factors. If you see your engagement ratio dropping after you post then its pretty much going to die soon outside someone big retweeting you. That's also why popular posts eventually die off cause the time elapsed factor probably weighs heavier after 1-2 days.

>>4740723
What site is that to track that stuff?

>>4755837
Those hands are complete ass

>>4756553
Social blade but I think you have to sign up for it, it’s not updating my figures

>>4756582
I’m not signed up and I can still see my figures updated just fine

>>4756590
I wonder why

Seeing people ITT talk about drawing other artists’ ocs for clout just made this recent incident even more weird for me
>get fanart of my oc
>not a masterpiece but still cute
>check out their other art
>practically everything is just fanart of other popular artists’ ocs
>with the only exceptions being drawings dedicated to recent murder victims

>>4757104
I mean it's the logical play. Twitter is such an empty void space where even if you have fantastic art, who the fuck cares or knows about you? Majority of the time you gotta get lucky with a hashtag or just go directly to where you know you'll get eyes.

At this point I just see it as a little micro economy. Free art for clout.

>>4757116
I mean I was more weirded out about the murder victim drawings in the context of literally every other drawing being blatant cloutgrabs. Didn’t even help that much anyway since they can’t get past double-digit followers

>>4757149
That is pretty weird, though I never tend to get people like that because I swim in a world of furry coom.

>>4741773
>Do you draw a lot?
No

How often do I have to draw?

Any current trends going on?
Atelier Ryza 2's new trailer just dropped, maybe an opportunity to draw some thicc thighs and get some engagement?

>>4739556
77. Only average 20 likes on posts though so likely have follows for different reasons.

>>4755469

This is the hard pill to swallow. Also I don't think the guy is amazing, and he probably can do better than what we actually see, but he puts out good enough stuff at a high rate. That's what it comes down to. Be good enough that you're at the top percentile of your niche, then put your stuff out at a good rate and you'll get in there.

If you keep posting and aren't growing then the chances are your stuff is just not good enough for more than that yet. And I'm not saying that means you should stop posting, just don't assume you're entitled to more attention and followers. Work on your stuff, keep getting better and grow at your own pace.

>>4757617
thanks i'll do it

>>4757149
Check if the creators of the other OCs were murdered. You may be next.

>>4741773
What’s your target audience?

>>4743447
How did you jump back in after that month? I have around 30k but I haven’t posted for about a month due to being busy and wanting a little time away from social media to practice and work on commissions. I’m scared about coming back, posting, and getting exceedingly low engagement when I used to get high engagement.

>>4744530
I’m this person >>4757888 so not the anon you replied to, but I lost about 400 followers for being inactive. It definitely happens, and it’s most likely because people want good follows to follower ratios or because they want an active timeline. They may follow back when you’re active again too.
>>4744230
I make a few purely text posts, and when I apologize for talking instead of posting, people say they like that due to what you said. It gives you character. Just don’t make it too imbalanced and keep your media tab clean and it should be a plus rather than a negative.
>>4744768
Pure, I hope you make it anon.
>>4751445
He’s a unicorn case of online fame, you won’t have his results so you might as well do everything in your power to boost yourself. Engaging with your audience is what creates a loyal community, and they will really appreciate you taking the time to reply to them.
>>4751736
I drew fanart of an anime character in an ethots viral outfit (because I genuinely had an idea for it) and she boosted me, so this method works. However, I only did it once, so I would suggest to not do this very often or you will appear simpy and desperate.
>>4753717
>>4755811
I personally hate when artists do this lol but if it works, it works.

Imagine being on the same internet as the shit ITT.

>>4757955
imagine being cringe enough to post your own superiority complex narcissism in a thread where no one asked

>>4757888
So I have only been sporadically posting to twitter earlier this year, with like multi-month gaps where I dont' post anything. It was only starting in May that I actually started actively posting again.

What I did was jump on the current trends then with some quick art, start interacting with all my mutuals again, then jumped on the Helltaker trend while it was hot.

>>4755811
>3000 rt and 5000 likes
>only 7 replies
Who would've thought being reversed ratio'd would look so

>>4738152
wow, the OC fanart strat really works. consider me a believer.

>>4758636
What fanart did you post?

>>4755888
>>4755893
>>4756557
based

>>4758800
Not telling because I'm not risking the artist thinking I was only using them :(

>>4758416
I'd rather have 7 replies than someone spamming negro reaction gifs

>>4758861
No worries anon, I understand.

>>4758636
Too bad I find most OC’s cringe

>>4755811
God I hate this, feels like they're trying to guilt-trip people into retweeting.