/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

start carving out corpses I guess

>>4749652
The internet has all kinds of pictures these days.

>>4749655
but you gotta really FEEL the muscle structures

DaVinci never once thought in terms of “style”.
He was obsessive and highly focused on so many things that affected his work you will never get to the heart of his magic. Also he was left handed.

So called technique is so insignificant compared to a firm grasp on generic foundations that they just reveal themselves to you once you know how to draw.
Never let anyone tell you otherwise.

>>4749764
>Also he was left handed
What does that have to do with anything?
> So called technique is so insignificant compared to a firm grasp on generic foundations that they just reveal themselves to you once you know how to draw.
That's a very abstract claim, don't think I understand it very well. Do you have any books recommendations on Da Vinci's life, inspirations, works?

>>4749766
His hatching was backwards. Meaningless indeed unless you are trying to copy his “style”.

>>4749766
>That's a very abstract claim, don't think I understand it very wel
It means that being able to draw VERY well. Ie knowing form, perspective, anatomy, composition etc will enable you to distinguish what in a drawing is “technique” or “style” vs knowledge and ability that everyone who wishes to be a master must learn.
Once the ability to draw has been developed (which can be learned from many places) and all telltale signs of gaps in ones know;edge and development have been removed, through really fucking long and hard practice, style and technique are almost unconscious.
In short, amaster draftsman has very little difficulty picking up a new medium or achieving whatever “look” they are going for..

The best DaVinci book I have found is a Phaidon box set. Divided by drawings and paintings. Many enlarged drawings.

>>4749764
>DaVinci never once thought in terms of “style”.
there is no way for you to know that tho

>>4749815
He could be a descendent from Da Vinci with some hidden knowledge about his personal thoughts.

>>4749815
He wrote alot and never mentions it. None of his work ever shows work on stylistic concerns over content, knowledge and study.
Bro.

>>4749815
>not personally knowing da vinci
ngmi

Dvinci was basically a neet

>>4750087
>He wrote alot and never mentions it.
even if it is true, still not proves that he never once thought about it.

>None of his work ever shows work on stylistic concerns over content, knowledge and study.
what do you mean? that he never drew stylized figures? some of his figures are almost caricatures tho.

>>4750087
>None of his work ever shows work on stylistic concerns over content, knowledge and study.
>Bro.

>>4750204
The only thoughts to style were simply focusing on what appealed to and interested him. He wasn't trying to draw like anyone else or force a "style". He just drew what he liked in the way that he thought was most pleasing.

>>4750206
I never knew Da Vinci was anti semitic

>>4749643
>>4749764
Da Vinci is mostly informed by an empirical mindset. Believing that Experience can be used to refine and improve, trusting and learning from Nature. Hence why art reached its peak and branched away from 'traditional motif' style.

Literally just understand what you see and how you see to the exclusion of other ideas like acquiring a style or being an artist or having to this and that.

>>4750210
He was very intelligent.

>>4750210
oy vey

>>4750208
stop making such strong claims for which you don't have enough evidence to back it up. it just invalidates your whole argument.

>>4749643
Why would you wanna draw like the less based renaissance man?

>>4750775
Michelangelo was more of a sculptor than a paintor or drawer, even he said that. He's leagues below Leonardo in drawing.

>>4750204
>>4750206

I mean style in the same superfical, cosmetic, trend-derived, nonsyntactic manner which is normally meant here on ic.
He drew ogres and cartoons and stuff but while doing so did not concern himself with or change the way he normally handled such things. Such things were present only as an artefact and not through effort.

I really don’t care if you guys believe me.

>>4751230
>leagues

>>4751230
No, he’s not.

>>4751289
>>4751515
Keep lying to yourselves michelangelofags

>>4749643
>Is it hard to reach Da Vinci's level of drawing?
Yes.
>How about Gustave Doré?
Yes.
>How much time should I practice until I reach their levels?
At least 10-15 years, if not more. They started training very early in life and produced their best works in their 30's and 40's. Dore in particular was considered a prodigy very early in life, and was completing works considered better than established artists before he was 18, and started doing professional commissions in his 20s.
>Should I practice by copying their styles?
It can't hurt.

>>4749766
southpaws are the most powerful people on earth

>>4749815
>disputing anon's claim he stated with a pathological and undeserved certainty
stop crabbing him

>>4750176
DaVinci basically wasn't. He was very social and in fact was criticized by the artist who's studio he studied in for being distracted by his social life, and never finishing anything. His family was well off, and he chased a very social life and wealth from an early age. He traveled extensively. Read extensively. Mastered several disciplines such as art, and engineering. He spent great amounts of money on clothing, furnishings, and throwing parties. He was a permanent fixture in the court and in society. There wasn't a single thing about him that was "NEET".

>>4752047
>moronic trolls who think bait posts like this are clever.

>>4752096
>That's your mind on michelangelo shit

>>4752047
Imagine thinking that a guy who couldn’t draw a straight horizon was ”leagues ahead” of the creator of the Sistine chapel.

for me it's Rembrandt

>>4749643

It's very easy as long as you have talent.

>>4752626
He's pretty good as well. Da Vinci, Doré and Rembrandt are my main inspirations.
>>4752634
Fuck talent.

>>4752084

..says some faggot with a pathological and undeserved certainty. Lol.

>>4749643
>Is it hard to reach Da Vinci's level of drawing?