/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

I'm beginning to feel a lot more comfortable in my doodling of faces and it feels really good.
i think i ought to start incorporating perspective into what i'm doing.

Just trying to get used to the digital medium. Learning about brushes and stuff has been pretty daunting.

Enjoy this cheetah I drew to destress.

reference 1

reference 2

After doing a course on Loomis shit and the construction of the head I ended up relapsing back into animeshit drawings

reference 3

reference 4

>>4744055
basado

>>4744052
Just keep doing anime. Remember to draw from reference when you run into trouble, but just follow your heart, anon.

progress!

need to fix shoulder, but slowly

>>4744052
I mean as far as anime goes that's pretty good. Clean up the lines, use ink instead of pencil. Better paper too.

Since I can't start a thread, I'll just ask here.

How do you study from art books?

Do you read the book and try to replicate the examples as you're reading it? What about books where the examples include things which you'll learn later in the book? Do you just read through the entire book and then start over?

What about copying examples? After correctly copying it, do you try to replicate it from memory? Maybe try to incorporate it in an original piece? Again this runs into the issue of not knowing things that will come later in the book.

inb4: Just draw. I get it. I'm just trying to optimise my time because I'm not 15 years old with too much time on my hands.

I feel like I was stagnating with my animeshit, so I'm trying to start from scratch, work on my fundamentals, and learn. Decided to try out a Loomis course, from advice on here. Here's what I've done so far from Fun With A Pencil.

>>4744053
jesus fucking christ that tricep

reference 5

I don't even want to draw real people I just wanna draw animeshit
I'll just learn the anatomy from the neck down...

>>4744075
You *do* realize you can use references for drawing animeshit right?

>>4744067

>>4744023
Finished my army guy portrait
Critique me help me
>inb4 more loomis
Yes i know tell me more, how are the shadows? I had a hard time figuring out what to do with the lit part of the face so i just added lines for texture.

>>4744063
Nice tits

how do i improve my lineart digitally :/
i can only seem to make nice lines if i overshoot, and then i suck at erasing and i never line up shapes

>>4744086
Oh shit just noticed his right ear is way bigger

>>4744088

Practice line control
And add more weight to your lines!

Doesn't have to be perfect!
If you add line weight it'll look good!

>>4744086
Looks like the light source is coming from the viewer's left, so the shadows should be darker on his left eye. Also remember the mouth slightly bulges out from the face, so it should have a bit of a cast shadow too.

>>4744079
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ax51Q2IvONo

>>4744091
>Anonymous 07/23/20(Thu)02:38:01 No.4744094▶
thank you for kind criticism <3<3<3
any suggestions for line control? ive done drawabox but did that on paper and not digitally

Is "graphic design" also allowed in this thread?

I'm trying to get some honest feedback for some flyers I've made.

>>4744098
It comes with confidence with your art. When you know more it'll sort its self out, so think of it as a passive skill you learn

But honestly line weight will help, its helped me alot!

This one is mine
>>4744063

>>4744107
nice #__# your art is very cute

I added some base colors, how do I blend these colors with the manual grayscale coloring under it? Is it even possible, without it looking like crap.

>>4744094
Better? Or does it look like a drag queen now?

>>4744121
Holy fuck, datz hot!

>>4744124
>JUST

>>4744124
Yeah. Work on your anatomy of course

Should I study from life and try to invent my own construction methods?
After reading loomis for some weeks it felt like I'm studying what worked for him, not what'll work for me.

>>4744121
What does it look like if you just set it to multiply?

>>4744121
Wait, is he playing with her pussy?

>>4744140
Multiply?

>>4744073
kill yourself

>>4744023
Guys I'm absolute beginner thinking about which paper/pencils to buy for drawing. I've practiced a bit with whatever pencils I have on a grid paper and it doesn't feel right.
I have watched videos and read wikis, tutorials etc and they say you can find the needed gear pretty much everywhere. Well I went to the store that's most likely to have everything and they don't have almost anything.
So I'm thinking is there a downside to using regular copy/printing paper?
How much, as a beginner, do I need a wide variety of pencils? They only had HB and HB2.

>>4744143
The color layer. What are you working on?

>>4744150
printer paper is a godsend, there isnt anything wrong with using it. eventually you will want bristol board but i still keep a few reams of printer paper around for sketching and doodling.

best way to make kinda realistic eyes without making a fucking mess? critique is also appreciated. nose and ears are kinda fucked up i guess.

>>4744150
Regular printer paper and one pencil is absolutely fine.

>>4744150
i use regular paper and hb pencils almost exclusively and i like my results with them. the only non standard item i would recommend though is a kneaded eraser, they can be shaped to erase more accurately and erase far better than most normal erasers so it makes everything easy.

>>4744063
nice

>>4744160
You need to draw bigger with that soft of a pencil if you want good looking eyes. The answer is simple and you prob know it, find eye referance pics, practice drawing only the eye from multiple angles, if ur going for trad art then pracrice good shading aswell. Eventually youll get better and knowing to draw eyes on a loomis head will come naturally

>>4744172
this is H pencil

>>4744159
>>4744165
Thanks mates

>>4744157
Ok. Still a bit new to digital. I will give it a try.

>>4744173
Oh ok H is fine but you drew so many lines to make the head shapes at such small dimensions it looks fuzzy/sloppy. Either draw a bigger head, or use a mechanical pencil if you arent already and try to practice getting the shape you want in less strokes, if youre gonna draw that small

>>4744187
Sorry I think I took the picture too close. Is this still too small or is my technique just bad?

>>4744193
this is A4 size

>>4744197
Again way too many lines make it look bad(left head: top and neck) . Proportions aint bad but can be better. Practice preciseness of lines, and single features of the face, and just keep drawing from referances, eventually youll get a feel for it.

>>4744193
i think your pencil just needs sharpening man

>>4744210
Thank you good reply!

>>4744213
My pencil is literally just a graphite cylinder sticking out lol. Does a normal pencil sharpener do fine or with a knife like the big boys do?

>32 pages of gestures done

>96 more to go
6-day-in-anon

>>4744223
normal pencil sharpener

what's the point?

>>4744240
its rad

She can get commissions. How about you?

Drawing clothes feel so much easier.

>>4744135
Don't try to invent construction methods. Try Hampton maybe to see if it clicks, I felt that I couldn't learn as effectively without a video. There are plenty of videos in the Video Course thread.

Drawing clothes feel so much easier.

>>4744135
Don't try to invent construction methods. Try Hampton maybe to see if it clicks, I felt that I couldn't learn as effectively without a video. There are plenty of videos in the Video Course thread.

>>4744261
I'll be honest, I want to fuck her.

>>4744261
i think so. i sold pixel art designs awhile back but i probably can get just about get any kind of commission if i tried to (im versatile) even though im a shitter. i mean surely it cant be that hard.

Brent Eviston

>>4744268
are you him?

>>4744261
>stacy posing with mediocre art

everytiem

>>4744053
>>4744051
>>4744050
10m
10m
15m

fun stuff, fuck the pedoshit tho

>Can't draw a little girl sticking her tongue out

Americans lmao

>>4744278
pedophilia is a gateway to anime and vice versa, and anime is shit

how realistic can i draw loli in other countries? here in police state canada its non at all

Why do "people" want to draw lolishit

>>4744287
its very cool and very alpha male

>>4744284
You can draw it as realistically as you want. Publishing, that's another matter.

>>4744298
can you tell more or link me to helpful resources on this? does posting online count as publishing?

>>4744311
It does, yes

>>4744314
but im wondering surely theres a way around this since jock sturges and sally mann books exists how were they able to get their books published?

well either way thanks for the input anon.

>>4744328
In Japan, at least, child porn laws were not introduced until recently. Before then, back in the70s and 80s, child nude photography was more or less common.

I've never done this before.
Intuos pro just came in the mail and I did this

Some of my "work" from this year. I've been slacking and generally feel like doing anything is pointless. Oh well.

>>4744373
same ive been also slacking but dont feel too bad. i'll get around to it eventually.

>>4744073
nice

>>4744261
i can get coom commissions even if im beg

>>4744430
how?

>>4744063
why do you lineart your shitty anime drawing, rather than draw many drawings in a short span of time to get the shapes better? It looks like shit

>>4744098
Put some dots on a blank canvas, try to connect them with smooth, clean lines.

Alright, criticize this in general and tell me if there Is something wrong with my art style.

>>4744472
>3.97 MB
pls anon, for your sake

>>4744472
Right off the bat she has 4 toes
Also this isn't that /beg/, the rendering is appealing but there are some pecularities like her bottom leg and the overly carttoony impact it's making

>>4744472
>let me color my shitty drawing, rather than learn how to sketch better
90% of this board. Most of the drawings that I see colored in here look like shit. Don't you feel ashamed when you polish a turd?

>>4744472
your hatching is confusing. There's either too much or not enough. It looks like she's made of wood.

>>4744472
Limbs look like how you would draw carrots because of the lines.
Toes look too spherical on the right foot.
I think the light dies out a little to quickly on her left thigh. The thigh is clearly tilted a bit forward so it doesn't make sense that its not receiving anywhere near as much like as her midsection and shorts. Her left wrist also seems to be in the path of the light but isn't drawn like that's the case.

>>4744487
*light
instead of like

>all the begs in here giving some stupid advice on anatomy that they don't understand, and not seeing that the shadow is literally fucking MUD
I can't even. Why would anyone come here for advice

>shadow looks like fucking mud, because anon doesn't understand color theory
>hmmm, I think the shape of the lower bone of the left leg in a 90 angle wouldn't catch that much of light
t. I watched one video on proko, so I know what I'm talking about

>>4744483
not that anon but i dont see why not color a shit drawing. if its already going to be shit might as well get some coloring practice in as well.

>>4744492
because the shapes, lineart, and sketch look like shit, and coloring also looks like shit because you are beg. It looks like polished turd, with some shadows that don't make sense because you don't understand the shape. You waste your time, on not learning things that can help you. It won't make the drawing looks better, it still looks like shit

This poor anon has 5x the (you)s than any other person asking for critique

>>4744486
Hatching Is definitely one of my problems and that's weird considering I am going for a Moebius/Yoshida look, would first deciding the shadows and lights with white and gray and then adding the hatching on top of the grey zones following the form be the ideal It just too much time-consuming?
>>4744487
Yep, I still need to study anatomy seriously and that drawing was done without references, but I will think about it soon since now I am trying to get my first basics to acceptable levels as a restart.

>>4744497
gon on youtube, and write"color theory" and "how to shade the skin". And don't waste time in here. Mostly begs that don't know what they are talking about, and binge watching proko videos without drawing anything

>>4744493
i dont think youre very good at reading what i was putting down. im saying exactly because theres already no hope on the drawing looking good. youre already not counting it to be some kind of feature piece to be saved for later so dipping your toes into some coloring just doesnt seem bad to me.

I still don't get how gesture work.
Guess i'm moving on to body anatomy & proportion first.
Having a nice looking but stiff body is better than a nice flowing lines with no body right?

>>4744503
whatever works for you is good for you

>>4744502
It takes like 10000 drawings, and ou should speed sketch through most of it to put something up that doesn't look like shit. But yeah, color your every sketch and make lineart for it. You will kill two birds with one stone :)

>>4744373
not even /beg/ imo

>>4744510
listen friend, i understand that people like to do 10000 lines and then 10000 shapes and then 10000 sketches and then start coloring or whatever and it works sure. i was just pointing out that some people just go 40000 colored drawings and it can work too.

>>4744455

Cause I like it
And thats mean,

>>4744515
no, the shadow on your 2d shitty sketch won't work. The color won't work, because it is 3d. It will look like a blop, and will be a waste of time. you learn to color when you know how to make a 3d shape, because color like every fucking thing on this fucking world is also dependant on the shape of the object.
Every teacher will tell you to start, and master one thing before doing another. But yeah, color your anime drawings, and tell yourself they look good. I mean, you are a beg, you must know better

>>4744517
you come to /beg/ to get compliments? Go to /a/ and draw for them, if what you want is someone telling you how talented you are. The shapes of her hands, head, and legs are laughable. Why would you color that?

>>4744497
>would first deciding the shadows and lights with white and gray and then adding the hatching on top of the grey zones following the form be the ideal It just too much time-consuming?
That could be a way to help you in the process but it's like adding wheels on your bike when you learn. At some point you need to get rid of them if you want to properly ride.
Hatching is used to represent volume and texture. So if your hatching is good, you don't even need to put shadows in your colors that much. On a personnal note, mixing hatching and strong shading with colors is contradictory if it's not mastered with a lot of finesse, so I'd recommend you focus on a specific technique before trying to mix both.

>>4744503
Body isn't really the point of gesture tho. It's the movement. Having it stiff is bad. When u add anatomy on top of ur stiff gesture it's won't look good at all
Btw heres a guide for anatomy.
https://youtu.be/Thh4JXnVtxM

I know this is a tragedy. I don't know what the fuck is wrong with me
Destroy me, Anons.

>>4744532
don't drwa your own things if ou don't understand the body. Copy shit from others. Looks like anime. Find artist you like, and copy them. Inventing your own shapes when you don't know what you are doing is a waste of time

>>4744511
I can't tell if that's a compliment or not.

>>4744520
Feels like your projecting,
But thats okay dude!
You'll be happy one day

>>4744518
im not sure if youre projecting or just really confused. ive never drawn anime drawings in my life what on earth are you even going on about???

also what do you mean every teacher will tell you to master one thing before doing another? thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard. ya dont even think about color until you become the reincarnation of durer. who scammed you into believing all this nonsense?

>>4744472
Hey dude i think it looks great! Love how the hair color looks! It has a nice gritty design

>>4744520
>>4744536
its healthy to explore, anon. sure there are quick ways to improve, but finding reason yourself is enjoyable too.

>>4744527
Here's a retry, but doesn't gets better.

If i don't move on from gesture,
Then i will just stuck in a infinite loop of drawing wrong gesture and gets to nowhere.
It's a complete waste of time.

And about the video,
I didn't watch everything, but i saw nothing about teaching but 2 person chatting and discussing the techniques to draw anatomy.
Definitely not what i'm looking for.

>>4744539
>you are mean to my drawing :(
>what? you wanted to get compliments? this board isn't for that
>you are projecting my dude
sure

>>4744536
>>4744520

Same anon?

>>4744547
Its okay ma man!
Just keep going!
Art is like a puzzle and you'll get the pieces right one day!

>>4744547
PYW crab

>>4744540
nice strawman. I literally don't give a fuck, what you want to do with your free time. But you asked me why you shouldn't color your drawings before you get good, and you go with fucking strawman durer argument, because you got hurt. Color your shit, don't listen to anybody, and come to those threads to get "help" from "professionals", and I'm sure you will make it. Those stupid idiots that fill yet another sketchbook with sketches, won't get shit. I mean, color is important

>>4744553
Its okay!
Just enjoy drawing!
Don't stress!

>>4744455
Relax man, if he's having fun doing more finished pieces then it's fine, it looks appealing regardless

Figures without reference

>>4744105
Yee sure, but depends and I'd be careful cause you'll be a subject of criticism if you can handle it

>>4744556
>ask a question
>get answer
>relax man, why are you talking about that, we are just having fun ;)

>>4744562
more like
>Ask a question
>Crab
>Relax man, why are you being such a crab?

>>4744565
>ask a question about coloring
>you need to learn to draw, before coloring
>HAHA learn to read, you are fucking stupid. What? I need to become a leonardo davinci to color my shit? WTF stupidd haha
talking with begs is a waste of time. You always know better, but when you post your work it always looks like shit.

>>4744569

So can we see your work?

For refernce or example to learn from?

>>4744569
alright, it's time to post your work if you even want us to take you seriously.
you crab.

>>4744553
??? i never asked you anything i was telling you youre wrong. and then you just went kinda crazy and kept sprouting the same nonsense over and over again.

i will never find out if you can actually draw but i sure as hell know you cant read

>>4744540
hes right, why would you try to learn faces/body/form/anatomy and then ontop of that try to learn colour? thats a whole different skill set that you wont be able to properly learn until you know what the form youre trying to colour/shade even is, dont split your focus and scrape yourself thin, colouring and shading is advanced and no one in this thread should be attempting it BUT on the other hand its nice, i colour all of my faces cause it takes me like 30 seconds and i just put in some flat colours because i like colouring and its fun

>>4744569

>>4744562
You can recommend grinding more figures without an aggressive attitude
Don't have to grind fundies literally all the time, if he's enjoying doing something more complete then it's not something to get angry about, especially since he can at least use it later on for comparing to his future work

>>4744483
Post work.

>>4744581
He fucking asked me a question, you moron. When noone answers the question
>oh, you don't give a fuck about begs. You just want all the knowledge to YOURSELF
when you answer
>hey man, don't a dick about it. We are just having fun in here
yeah, fucking truth isn't nice. Your drawings look like shit, you need to grind. Coloring is a waste of time. If that makes ou sad, drawings isn't for you

>>4744584
Of course there's no drawings being posted.
What do i expect from a fully retarded crab?

>>4744483
At least he finishes. can already tell you "practice" all day and get no where NGMI mindset

PYW

>>4744584
What are you even talking about?
Where is the question in >>4744063?

>>4744586
yeah, in the industry we call finishing something like that polishing a turd. It doesn't make sense, and is a waste of time. Sorry for being right

>>4744589
>in the industry
Come on, crab, post your work already.
Else you have zero credits to talk.

>>4744492
>>4744587
here you idiot. Not everything revolves around you weeb

>>4744589
can you also tell me what is it called in the industry when someone is too scared to post their work?

>>4744574
>>4744576
>>4744579
>>4744585
listen pitchforks, the guy didn't say anything wrong, just inflammatory. everyone should think breathe and cry the fundamentals if they really want to get good. no crit will improve other's work, just hopefully motivate and focus them on a particular subject for the future. lets all just sit in beg and have a nice rainy afternoon.

>>4744589
You know you can practice on more than one area? Or you can't moved past the sketching phase :((( you're so insecure

>>4744597
What are you bringing previous conversations into this conservation for? Did you quote the wrong person in >>4744455?

>>4744598
did you learn to add, before you learn to divide? Coloring stems from the shape of the object, but you are a beg. You don't understand. You draw 2d, add color, and think to yourself
>oh colored drawing, I'm learning
I'm done with you guys, this is a waste of time

>>4744601
Whoops, meant to reply to
>>4744595

>>4744597
PYW, mr crab #2.
Obviously you have no idea what you're talking about.
You're probably the 2nd dumbest person around.

If what you said is true,
and nobody should move on to learn another topic without mastering one skill first,
then explain to me, why do every art school students move on to the next lesson when they are not done mastering their drawing first??
Why do artists not have those "dark history" where their drawing is not mature and mastered yet??
I think you see how retarded you are now.

>>4744597
No fuck that guy, hes probably fat as fuck and eat his toe nails cause he ain't got no nail clippers cause he also poor and ugly

And can't move passed sketching cause he got sasuage fingers and his dad left him.

And the only thing he does for money is sucking dudes off for jolly ranchers

And he probably got no teeth cause he sucks so much dick

>>4744608
>>4744607
>I should learn to draw, before coloring
>does it mean, that I should never learn to color?
why do you argue a fucking strawman?

>>4744607
Dude think he was on your side??

Friendly fire bro?

>crabs crabbing around and being obnoxious pieces of shit instead of acting like normal people
>ask to post work
>and 0 work was posted that day
Every. Single. Time.
The truth is, if someone is a capable artist who is happy about his skills, he automatically has a higher level of happiness in life. If you see someone being rude for no discernible reason instead of giving critiques in a helpful and friendly way, there's a very high chance you shouldn't take that person seriously. Just ignore them.

>begs in here think that it takes 100 years on learning how to rotate 3d objects in space, so it means they will never be able to color them

>>4744605
coloring stems from the shape of object yes but youre over simplifying it and assuming that its completely dependent on it. if that were true then no one in the world is would be better with coloring than line art which is just not true.

and oh you of course youre comparing learning art to learning math. it all makes sense now.

>>4744616
I also can't grasp why someone wouldn't want to post their work/job on 4chan.

>>4744616
Man of great understanding

>>4744620
>then no one in the world is would be better with coloring than line art which is just not true.
yeah, it's not like you can block shapes with paint and values if you know what you are doing. You can only do it with a pencil and lineart. Said like a true weeb that you are

>>4744622
>work/job
>job
are you new here?
Please lurk more.

>>4744622
Surely you have a bunch of sketches you've grinded based on your own advice?

>>4744622
Cause they're pussies, and think people will "recognize" their shits sketches

>>4744607
i didn't say anything about mastery, this is my only other post in this thread >>4744545 . i am still trying to learn, anon.
>>4744608
sometimes the world is unkind, inflicting pain on the downtrodden may turn to regret. showing what is good is the only way to teach it.

>sketching is controversial for begs now
first it was measuring, then it was blocking bigger shapes. Tomorrow you will need to hold the pencil in your mouth

>>4744625
but why would ANYONE block shapes with paint and values if they should be only grinding quick sketches? this was your 'argument' not mine

>>4744634
Literally no one here is arguing against sketching

>>4744636
you assume the grind takes 90 years, because you are a beg that never put effort into learning anything

ok guys i did one week on anatomy so im going to start rendering now and then next week i will start perspective and then next week planes of the face and then next week line control and then next week values and then next week how to draw hair, i think this sounds good right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKFfSl-EBfI

>>4744633
Good sketch bro!

Also nah that dude got sasuage fingers and his wardrobe is all the same two color shirts

>>4744633
The guy said you shouldn't even move on without mastering your current skill first.
at >>4744518
>Every teacher will tell you to start, and master one thing before doing another.
And since you claimed
>the guy didn't say anything wrong
It means you actually agree with him, and think that you should master a skill before moving to another.

At least you have the balls to post you work, i highly commend you for that.
Unlike the other crab that are absolutely brainless and have no balls to post his work.

>>4744622
Go ahead, keep giving stupid excuses full of fallacies. All you're doing is proving i'm right.

>>4744645
>MASTERING MEANS BECOMING A LEONARDO DAVINCI
?

okay, not really beginner-tier but it's my first real landscape on Derita comic paper.

>>4744641
Don't set a schedule, move on only when you think you are ready to move on

>>4744649
why is this restaurant built like a house, unrealistic, 0/10

>>4744648
>crab crab crab crab crab
???

>>4744649
>not really beginner-tier
are you sure about that?

>>4744655
beg argument

>>4744651
i dunno man I think eating at a house restaurant would be pretty cool

>>4744651
cuz it's a restored 1868 mansion

>>4744660
>crab crab crab crab
?????
Anybody around can translate crab language to me?

>>4744649
nice, you should spend 10 hours on coloring it

well I think Doonesbury has only improved in recent years

>>4744645
i see, i did not read that comment closely, the deluge must have overcome me. i was really just talking about the initial few replies, where he says what he doesn't like and everyone needs to study.

>>4744638
so far youve been only going on nonstop saying how im a weeb beg who only draws anime and never learnt anything bla bla bla. well i dont know about you but i was actually drawing in between posts and in a few more minutes i can reply to my own post to post my work so how about you also do the same.

wtf is a crab

>>4744691
when someone who is better than you, tells you how you should study, and why your art is bad

>>4744503
You don't need to master gesture before moving to figure drawing/anatomy. It's something you'll keep working on while also doing other areas. Do gestures as warm up everyday.

>>4744023

Does anyone else agree that Gary Trudeau is drawing much better than he has in the last 50 years? Imagine getting better at your career after five decades in the business.

>>4744546
< i didn't watch it fully
Well that's that.
Gesture isn't something you grind dumbass it's an exercise.

some show off netflix

>>4744278
The most puritan degenerates this side of Mississippi.

>>4744546
You could try drawing the gesture on top of the reference, that way you can see exactly what the lines are and where they move the eye to. Your gesture does not look that bas but you are failing to capture the likeness.

Ok, any feedback?

>>4744721
I would like to say that you shouldn't color your early drawings, and it looks really flat, but it seems that this is controversial opinion now, so I will just say it is great!

>>4744557
Learn construction of limbs and torso. Learn perspective. Start thinking of the shapes in your figures as 3d and plan accordingly.

>>4744649
Perspective is a little fucked but still very nice

>>4744721
unpopular opinion here, dont colour/shade before you know how to draw lol, how can you shade when you dont understand the planes? youre just randomly placing the shadows and highlights and hoping for the best

Are there other effective methods for grinding freehand perspective besides drawing boxes? Not knocking drawing boxes, but just in case I draw 250 boxes and there's still a lot to improve

he's a little outta order 'imself

>>4744691
refers to crab mentality. in this boards case it means someone cant draw so they spend all their time bashing other drawings.

>>4744744
yeah, copying other artists and pictures

>begs will argue that the want to learn, but the teachers are bad
I wonder if any of you want to learn, or you just want to be right (even if you spent less than 6 months in a field)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3_ofZGBvVw

>>4744694
Pyw, prove to everybody that you're better.
Do it.

anyone have any guide to uploading with max visibility? like timing and maybe other strategies such as pairing?

>>4744754
Imagine being so buthurt because somebody told you your art sucks. Man, just leave it be. You can't get good in a week.

>>4744760
Still no work being posted

>>4744764
I'm not even the guy. Just telling you to drop it, because it's stupid. Not everyone will like your art especially when you are just starting

>>4744690
ok whether im a beg thats debatable. but i hope you can see that at the very least i wasnt some weeb 1 trick like you were claiming i am and i have learnt some stuff in the past.

and dont get me wrong even though youve been a dick i'd still much rather get outclassed completely and see some amazing art get posted by you than to see you go dark.

Thoughts on this initial character design sketch? Before I start refining it, does it look too boring? I want him to look like somewhat realistic high schooler but not like a generic harem protagonist

>>4744770
>Just telling you
See this right is the problem.
You say all of these things in a commanding, authoritative, no-nonsense tone as if you're in a position to TELL people what to do.

But all you have to actually do is post your work that is good and well-made, and then I'll trust you, and take your word for it, because I'll see with my own eyes that you know what the fuck you're talking about it.

No mind games required, just pyw.

>>4744772
>ok whether im a beg thats debatable
heh, it's not

>>4744649
I like the style of shading lines

>>4744730
thanks, I was trying to go for that flat kind of look, I think that it can look decent if done correctly

>>4744742
thanks for the feedback

>>4744779
show me the kind of look you are going to, and I will tell you why it isn't flat

>>4744452
with lots of reference and 3d program for posing, i suck at drawing poses so it takes quite a while to get it right but coloring is pretty easy for me

>>4744801
no i mean howd you get commissions?

>>4744503
Is that a drawing? Do you know the artist?

Can anybody redline this head for me? It looks very wonky, but I'm not sure how to go about fixing it. I'd be grateful for any advice!

>>4744842
mans chin is like half his face and his right eye is just drifting off

>>4744549
I think he’s the same person who shills sinix and has strong opinions on learning from books

>>4744842
flip canvas, and do it yourself. It will be really easy once you flip

I gotta raise Tomie's left eye before I ink. It's kind of a Jessica Alba look

>>4744851
>everyone I don't like is the same person

A4 comic paper sketch.

>>4744810
that's business secret

>>4744869
ok, could you tell me the secret please?

>>4744660
Beg thread

>>4744870
be searching around the internet and you might get commissions

>>4744160
go digital 4Head

>>4744261
I already got one lol

client wanted to pay extra actually.. He then gave me a $5 tip as well plus the $20 he already gave. Kinda nutty but I would feel bad completely losing touch with him bc he was so nice to me.

He's my friend now lol

I guess I got lucky since I hear a lot of bad commissioner stories

Reminder that if you're gonna do poses, I suggest tracing over some artists you follow/like, while REMEMBERING to break down their work with shapes, and figuring out what they do for each pose/structure to make it flow well. The reason this exercise works is because not only is it fun to do because its like a little puzzle (figuring out the muscle structure, which shapes are where, etc) but you end up not hating yourself afterwords because its pretty much guaranteed to come out looking good and you end up actually happy with yourself. Then you being happy also chains because being happy does make your art just better overall. I mean, it makes sense. If you're tilted in a game, you dont perform. If you hate a class in school, you dont perform. If you hate your art? Not only will you perform bad, but you wont even want to draw.

Basically, breaking down and tracing over some of your favorite artists pieces is going to increase your drive (because being confident and happy with stuff you practice with/create surprisingly increases drive /s), intuition, understanding, composition, and finally color theory in art. Highly recommend

>>4744069
I read highlight stuff, then, if it is worth, I go back doing the exercises and taking notes

>>4744135
>Should I study from life and try to invent my own construction methods?
one time I thought that I invented one construction method, turned out it was just a poor mans Reilly method.

I what I mean is, before you do that give a look around. you might find what you need.

>6 day in anon who misunderstood meaning of gesture, but this was fun.

Aka gesture is a captured move, not an actual sketch. But of course you can mix those two.

P. S.
numbers on pages are wrong
>fucking 3mb limit webm quality is like shit

>>4744023
Anyone have any books/videos that go more in depth on what manga materials talks about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYFrcq9Iv2o

I'm working on capturing poses accurately from refs. Here's a few sketches from today, how do they look? I struggled with the skateboarder, and I think the torso is what's mostly throwing it off but I'm not sure how to fix it.

(sorry for shit lighting on these pics)

>>4745020
you should focus more on accurately copying the reference than correctly constructing the form right now. Your halfhearted construction lines arent helping you any

>>4744298
>You can draw it as realistically as you want.

that is not true. in some country just the possession is illegal and drawing can be considered child porn

>>4745001
forgot to say, all sketches were done under 1 minute range.

>>4745023
I've tried doing that before but it usually comes out way more wonky if I don't think about what is going where and how etc. The construction lines aren't really my focus, I just threw them down quickly before sketching out the pose

>>4744532

>>4744063
something is weird about her belly

>>4744481
>this isn't that beg
Lmao

>>4744694
>when someone who is better than you
you can't pull that card without posting your work tho

>>4744472
Alright, tried to do separate the hatching and the rendering and I notice just now that it looks more
appealing without any kind of hatching in general.
Do you guys have any good sources for learning how to hatch better, especially in the style of Moebius?

>>4745110
forgot pic

>>4744597
this guy's right everyone needs to nut up and stop crying when someone dares to tell them their how-to-draw-anime art styles aren't that good and that they should read a book

>>4744121
So we jus gon pretend dat dis is /beg?
Post da gray layer. Lez see it.

>>4745120
what's with her massive bulge

>>4745128
cringe

>>4745110
>any good sources for learning how to hatch better, especially in the style of Moebius?

maybe the source is uhhh moebius? just a wild guess, if you want to learn from the masters and replicate their style then maybe you should you know study from moebius perhaps, just a crazy suggestion

>>4745120
>hey guys, what about m hatching? is hatching the problem?
>makes MUD shadows
why, WHY you never learn guys

>>4744038
>>4744052
>>4744086
>>4744160
>>4744264
DON'T use a Pencil plsssssssss, use a pen or ink

>>4745120
her hand literally look like she fucking put in the mud. Why do you listen to those begs, when I told you to watch a fucking 5 minutes video on shading the skin. Why do you care about anaomy, hatching, or anything when your shadows look like mud

>>4745001
watch hampton's gesture lecture if you haven't broski, and try to emulate the way NMA teacher do their timed figures. I'd also suggest you use a pencil but keep trying different things to see what works for you.

>>4744063
left of her ribcage looks weird, navel could be a bit more to her left i think, transition from lower back to right leg looks a bit too straight, her left arm is a tad bigger/wider than her right one. im beg tho so idk. it's always nice to see your drawing anon, I quite like them.

>>4745128
I have to fix the gray layer because I had to fix some of the lines. So the gray layer doesn't exactly match up anymore

>>4745154
no one gives a fuck about anatomy, it's all about teh shapes. You don't read baki and go
>hmmm, there isn't a muscle in here
you don't give a fuck, because you don't even know how a muscly guy looks, you just see an appealing shape. If you don't draw from life, anatomy is a waste of time

>>4744866
the composition is nice

Could anyone redline the left scapula? Im having trouble placing it

imagine seeing a drawing and going like
>hmmm this is so good, shapes are so 3d, the lines are perfect, but this left scapula just doesn't sit right with me
why do begs even waste time on anatomy, when they should be learning 30 things before it is above me

I know that the majority of people here likely work with digital, but if anyone could take a stab at helping me improve this acrylic painting I’m working on I’d appreciate it.

I like it but it just doesn’t feel complete, I feel like it’s lacking some kind of detail to tie it all together but I don’t know what.

>>4745170
Shit, I don’t know why it uploaded sideways. I’m sorry anons I don’t know how to fix ;_;

>>4745170
too many mistakes to pin point. Follow some tutorial on the internet

>>4745181
so there’s no saving this? ;_;

>>4745170
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6yJO9gKSAI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZluGXgpdJj4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJIWllIMHsg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJkIaMECW6c

>>4745162
Sure, here you go

>>4745182
you can save anything. But you need to learn a shit ton, and me telling you 200 books you need to learn won't help you. It will make you sad, and angry
it is better to follow some tutorial on internet, make something appealing, and then with the knowledge try to come back to this piece

>>4745170
Give a moment(20min)

>>4745001
Are these good or bad gestures? Am noob.

>>4745181
>>4745182
>>4745183
>>4745187
>>4745190
Thank you for the feedback and links, I appreciate it

>>4745192
I still remember when proko was drawing gestures, then he said those gestures he drew were shit and redid them, then some old men redid them too.
Nobody gives a fuck about a gesture. It is a meme for people that can't use ctrl and z to erase their mistakes

>>4745137
y tho?

>>4744893
I have tablet but my eyes get so hecking strained when looking at a screen for couple of hours.

>>4745192
near to the end there are some good sketches

>>4745200
change the background color to a dark yet opacitated brown, or a dark and opacitated blue. Or you can just make it grey altogether. Dont work on a white screen tho. It no good

>>4744452
can I get coom commissions with /beg/tier skills like these?

>>4745213
you can get enough commission money to buy a rope

>>4745219
That can be used to pull myself closer to you :3

>>4745213
looks really bad

>>4745020
cool poses, I agree with the other anon, maybe try drawing bigger and really paying attention to angles/lengths (check Iten's accuracy guide), but keep working on constructive figure drawing as well. Are you going through a figure drawing course like Huston/Eviston/Vilppu? try to think if the orientation of ribcage/pelvis, thinking in boxes might help.

Can someone give me a rundown on how to get nicer proportions? Thats always been my issue.
Started drawing a bit more recently and i sketched this last night using a random pic off google for reference.
What do you think?

>>4745248
If by nicer proportions you mean more accurate proportions then this: http://www.dorian-iten.com/accuracy/

I wanna try to make my artstyle a bit more cartoony but also good for action scenes, sorta like the new Batman adventures for reference, I wanna learn how to draw from different angles but im sorta dumb, I got serious about art four years ago and I went from wanting to do something sorta semi realistic or anime esc to going back to cartoony stuff.

>>4745263
Thank you

>>4745265
>READ THE STICKY for some guidance:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit#bookmark=id.15jx3pyuimvj
>RESIZE YOUR IMAGES - preferably ~1000px, <1.1mb
Sinix shiller is right about shapes being important, specially if you're going to stylize, so keep that in mind

>>4745219
Based
>>4745226
Cringe coomer

>>4745301
The only thing cringe here is (you) samefagging

>>4745170
The best way and fast to learn shapes is to learn perspective (boxes,sphere,etc) and once you understand them (3d) transform them into 2d forms aka shapes.
If you study perspective 2 hours every day, after a month, you will notice these errors intuitively, perspective gives you new eyes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MV-bJz1dcw
PERSPECTIVE IS EVERYTHING!!!

>>4745184
wouldn't scapula be lower in this position? pic related

Is youtubefag and sinix shiller the same person?

>>4745314
wait so how would you fix "perspective" in his drawing?

>>4745334
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca32fpXjFTw
Find on your own :)

>>4745156

Are there any realistic brushes in CPS or PS? I did the best I could coloring digitally, fixing the mistakes I made manually. Like movingly the shoulder up an widening the torso.

ok scrolling through sticky as absolute /beg/.

is it mandatory to be able to make a perfect 1:1 copy of something before i start learning fundamentals? should i start by trying to copy photos then?

>>4745361
you have quite literally divided beg with this one question, leave now and never look back as youre about to see a lot of people break down into throwing shit at each other

>>4745359
>this anatomy and shapes
>he keeps coloring it, and changing after more than 10 hours later
but I'm the insane one

>>4745334
TIP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVY5gla0FNQ
To find your tempo
You need 2 things:
-Control your hand (straight lines, circles, etc)
Use pen or ink, instead of pencil, to lose the fear of drawing (confidence in your hand/lines), because the pen / ink cannot be erased.
-Perception (See how things really are)
I can see that you control your hand, you just lack perception (that's what perspective is for)
Tempo is the most disgusting thing, in a month you can improve x20 (1month = 1-2 Years)
I can draw perfect circle and straight lines ezzzzzz
talent doesn't exist,everything is TEMPO.
BYE BYE :)

>>4745372
>>4742356

>>4745157
hahahaha

>>4745372
Does literally anybody talk about this except for Sinix? My tempo is jagged as fuck; if I notice a mistake then I have to stop and fix it rather than "just like, let it flow mannnn be okay with your mistakes"

>>4745192
I saw few real gestures

>>4745393
watch every fucking speed paint in this whole damn world. No one fucking erases any mistakes.

>>4745372
Sinix is terrible.

>>4745398
They erase heavily you're out of your peabrained little mind

>>4745393
>Does literally anybody talk about this except for Sinix?
Because it's useless information that doesn't actually help you draw better.

>>4745200
the tablet screen's resolution or refresh rate is too low

>>4745402
>t. beg

>>4745344
What is specifically wrong in regards to perspective in his drawing?

>>4745404
are we talking about the sketching phase that most of ou begs are in? You probably chicken scratch your loomis gestures man, and then read some bridgman and wonder why your art looks like shit

>>4745398
Bro if someone is on the level of actually doing speed painting then they're probably not making any mistakes worth fixing anyways.
Do you think when people upload their vidya speedruns to youtube, they let mistakes pass? No if they fuck up they just start the whole thing over, and show you their best attempt.

>>4745398
If you started digitally, you will never find your tempo or it will take years to find it. :))))))))))))
MIN 12:58
https://youtu.be/HjUv0Zv0T8o?t=778

>>4745333
probably. at least he's shilling hampton's gesture lecture now as well

>>4745414
by speed paint I mean a video, that was sped up

>>4745314
Thank you for the feedback. I just want to make sure I’m understanding what’s wrong with it though. Are you saying the composition of the heads was good but the wings and lightning are bad? Or that the whole thing is bad?

>>4745229
I haven't been following a course, but I've watched some of Vilppu's videos and worked on gesture following his method. Thanks for suggesting Iten, that's new to me. And I'll try to keep the boxes in mind; it's hard for me to keep what I'm learning separate as I draw or even just sketch (gesture, construction, figure studies, etc).

>>4745361
perfect might be a bit too much. you need to prove you're past symbol drawing and that you can pay enough attention to your subject and have enough patience to get proportions mostly right. Some curriculums start with perspective right away but I assume they expect their students to have some drawing experience.

things that a beg will tell you
>anatomy matters in anime/cartoon
>you should color and finish all your sketches
>sinix/sycra/somoeoneThaKnowsWhatHeDoes is shit, you won't learn anything from them
>you should read old books, you can only learn from old people, because less popular (no we are not hipsters)
>measuring is cheating

>>4745366
?

>>4745445
>sinix/sycra/somoeoneThaKnowsWhatHeDoes
If they actually know what they are doing, how come their art is bad? Same thing with Ethan Becker.

>>4745473
>Sinix's art is bad
I just think he isn't good at teaching or explaining himself. Most of his videos feel like he's just rambling.

>>4745482
his anatomy series is 10 times better than anthing proko put out on his youtube channel.

>>4745486
>is anatomy series is 10 times better than anthing proko put out on his youtube channel.
that's because your perception is better than others.
and
that's the reason why people have a hard time understanding the videos where he talks about Design (design theory)

Watching a Naoki Saito video and he actually recommends drawing small, because one it's faster, and two because when you draw small you become less preoccupied with the fine details and focus more on the general shape and important stuff that you actually can fit in. What does /beg/ think?

>>4745511
Carpal tunnel

>>4745499
its more like
>proko virgin
>this is a bone auditus-moralus-demorus that attaches to pronus-dementus-bicepsus under the lipus-pipus. Now a skeleton will popup on the screen, and do a stupid joke. Okay, now I can draw this muscle for the next hour, and laugh at you
>sinix chad
>this is a nose, and this is how I draw a 3d nose with 4 strokes. The end. Next video eyes and mouth. After that you can draw a face

Eyes need to be so precise, they ofter ruin my drawings by millimiters. Whats a good way to draw them correctly?

>>4745534
DONT USE PENCIL PLS

>>4745537
What?

>>4741962
I don't get digital drawing, painting seems easier, but I want to start paying more attention to my lines. Gave this one a try.

>>4745372
>>4745534

>>4745542
the fucking legs are long my dude xd. Flip your canvas man and see what I see

>>4745541
Don’t pay attention to sinixfag

>>4745545
Nice, so beg has come to this huh. Whats the fucking point on keeping this general up if all you do is to redirect me to a link. I use whatever the fuck i want to draw, the pencil is not the problem.

>>4745548
if something can fuckup you drawing because it is a milimeter away, it means that your shapes are 3d

>>4745553
>>4745548
aren't

>>4745548
Ever since sinixfag joined beg the threads have been filling up twice as fast and the quality dropped.

>>4745534
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FT_XMk4HDgA

>>4745558
That sucks, i used to get some neat advice and conversations going when i needed help in /beg/. I can search yt links by myself, i surely dont need someone redirecting me to sinixx videos (by the way, sinixx is really anti constructionist, ironically enough i asked for construction advice, goes to show how this mouthbreather know nothing)

>>4745558
is he the same as the hampton guy on every fucking thread? Nigga just posts the same shit every time without any redlines or anything helpful

>every person I don't like is one person
yeah, it must be some kind of joker. I mean, who would havae audacity to not like your drawings. Must be one madman

>>4745411
cringe. post your bean mouthed anime art or shut the fuck up faggot

>>4745548
just ignore pen-onlytards.
i think the drawing is really good and that the eyes, although slightly further apart than they could be, don't take anything away from it at all. can you show your construction method?

>>4745573
imagine having so much doubt in your own skills, that you would erase through the whole process of drawing

>>4745571
Nobody said youre the same guy, the guy implied you act like any other artist shill, you contribute to nothing and just make people frustrated because of your narcissistic needs. Posting a link to a video doesnt help anybody, it only gives (you)s.

>>4745582
I didn't even post the link you idiot. Just laughing at you, because you put names to things that don't even exist. People were posting links in here before you were born

>>4745585
They were posting mega links with useful resources not a shitty YouTube video

>>4745415
You're gonna listen to some tatted up hipster covered in gouges and piercings about his opinion on objectivity in art?

What the fuck is happening to this thread, begs don't think this way, this has to be shit stirrers perpetuating this horse shit and swill to shill their trash scam courses

>>4745588
imagine basing someone art and knowledge on their fucking appearance lol

>>4745587
I don't know if it was shitty. I didn't watch it. Did you?
But yeah, if they posted a video it must mean that they are a stupid fuck, a shill and should get the fuck out of here. If you say so
wtf is this board even

What's wrong here? I flip the canvas but I'm too /beg/ to see it.

>>4745592
Imagine watching YouTube tutorials to learn art

>>4745589
>>4745589
>>4745589

For such a little thing
You sure are in your own way

I'd love to give you wings
But babe, you've got to grow them

>>4745589
>>4745589
>>4745589

>>4745054
>anon found out
magnificent

>>4745592
judging by reddit spacing, this is the same guy that posts his anime art in here

>>4745592
Your external appearance is your representative expression of your inner self. If you choose to project yourself that way you're effectively making a statement. Look at his Calvin and hobbes and marvel trash as proof

>>4745597
i dont....and if i did how does that have anything to do with my statement? how about you focus on the argument rather than attacking me as a person?

>>4745604
>deffending bashing on a person because of how he looks
fuck you too

>>4745580
I cant show you, im not at home right now, but i can describe it:
I star by drawing a circle, draw a vertical line to figure out which way the face is turning, horizontal lines for hairline/eyes/base of the nose/mouth/chin. (Keep in mind for now im only drawing with reference). I draw the outline of the face, and polish the rest of the face, but when i come to the eyes, it all goes downhill, its a mixture of not knowing how they work and not being able to figure out whats appealing about them.

>>4745546
oh shit I think I see it. zooming out usually does the trick but this one slipped by. thanks for pointing it out.

>>4745534
>Eyes need to be so precise

they don't, principally if you are doing stylized art and/or frontal view. just look at some good artwork. real people are not that symmetrical, even good looking ones.

>Whats a good way to draw them correctly?
construction should give you enough precision

This is my latest work in progress for something kinda lewdy
still theres small corrections to do and all the color and shadin stuff. how does it looks so far?

>>4745676
there is a new thread. Somewhere in the top there is a link.

>>4745689
thnks anon

>>4745676
she have a name?

>>4745462
Dont mind him, people that say your anatomy is bad without giving you anything specific should be simply ignored. It appears that some jealous losers here tell everyone that their anatomy is bad just to fuck with their heads

Been reading through right side of the brain, I've heard this left and right stuff for debunked or something? Should I keep reading or just start Loomis

why is colouring so hard ?

>>4745813
An official name? Not yet, therefore i call her by her code name “FAS-05”

Why is MangaMaterials twitter locked again?

>>4746638
>mongol
my ancestor :)