/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4735869
Proko?
Brent?
Hampton?

>>4735835
reference?

>>4735869
left arm and left side torso/belly contours are a little off
nice job capturing the pinch though

>>4735874
vilppu

watched the first two lessons of marco buccis head course. im having a little trouble understanding the cheekbones i think. the bottom right two were from imagination. Im really enjoying his way of teaching

>>4735882
Thanks anon
I feel like I could’ve pushed the gesture of the left side more to show the stretch

>>4735890
aesthetically these look cool, bottom left is like some future helmet soldier

i know the ear is fucked...

>>4735902
Not /beg/

>>4735879
This is the reference. Its poorly modeled and posed due to fustrations with the app I used to make it so I doubt it will serve you any purpose. I really only used it as a vague guideline.

>>4735912

>>4735890
>im having a little trouble understanding the cheekbones
Study the skull a bit
and
http://www.stanprokopenko.com/blog/2009/04/choose-good-photo-reference/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrHfrncvODQ
Try to use photos from movies
<---ex

thoughts, opinions, yay, nay, hot, not?

>>4735903
Stfu, /beg/tard

did this iin aggie.io the other day can anyone who knows what they're talking about crit this ?

>>4735967
this is beyond our paygrade

>>4735949
3D Skull
https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/skull-b1a3d251c79440e9800951fb3bdb4c99

>>4735969
what do you mean ?

>>4735972
this is int, we are beg

>>4735890
hampton has a lot of good diagrams of the breakdown of the face. just google michael hampton face. its definitely not a flat plain like you're drawing.

>>4735967
He's missing legs and arms, thank me later

>>4735973
oops sorry, was considering myself a beg so i thought this was the right thread, thanks for taking the time to answer !

>>4735903
why not

>>4735976
thanks dude

>>4735979
if i could give one piece of advice its the abs look like there facing towards us whilst he actually faing at a 45 degree angle, i think the ones further away need to be a bit smaller?

>>4735973
cringe

>>4735983
yeah you're right, i'll start using perspective onn my next drawing !

>>4735967
Needs some better anatomy

So when painting digitally, do you guys just put down all your colors/values at the start and blend/colorpick from the canvas for the rest of the painting? Or do you constantly add in new values/colors as you refine/blend/render/etc?

>>4735990
what should i fix on those areas ?

>>4735991
constantly add, remove add subtract change mould, you are a sculptor

>>4735973
>>4735960

Do you ever find it fun drawing something purposely wrong or out of shape/proportion?

>>4735998
why yes, of course.

>>4735902
The perspective of the ear is a little off
>>4733900
and
RESIZE YOUR IMAGES - try ~1000px, <1.1mb PLS

>>4735998
>something purposely wrong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVY5gla0FNQ

>>4735992
The arm is not connecting correctly to the shoulder and underarm, it looks welded to his side.

And that side is made up of many tiny muscles but yours seems like 2 giant muscles put together

For the head part everything seems disconnected, and if that's a breathing apparatus it should not have holes in it, these are more preference nitpicking though

does anyone have a good lesson plan on hand?
speaking of lessons, would drawing things in my room be good practice?
life drawing, or whatever?

>>4736012
noted !

Im hopeless

>>4736016
>speaking of lessons, would drawing things in my room be good practice?
>life drawing, or whatever?
OF COURSE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzl3eaxAJpo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-SqpnZ2rnI

>>4736026
whats wrong with this?

>>4736026
Nigga you just drew an uguu kawaii anime girl skull what are we supposed to do with this

>>4736042
This is the very best I can do
I have abslitely no clue how to put actual features

>>4736016
https://www.youtube.com/c/ArtSenpai/videos

>>4736056
ok so go educate yourself so you do know how? im not sure i understand your point? crazy shocker you have to actually learn stuff to know how to do those things

>>4736026
>>4732946

>>4736054
HOW DO I OUT THINGS IN IT
LOOMIS ISNT HELPING

>>4736011
>try automatic drawing
>it's all curved lines, leaf like structures and eggs
Back to boxes I see, would it be ok for me to post a model and a figure drawing to clear my doubts?

>>4736039
>>4736057
no, i meant like, a good lesson plan. 'on hand' was meant to be like, 'do you have it on you'

>>4736061
YEP

>>4736011
I'm too much of a brainlet to understand what the point is here

>>4736069
its a more advance concept, come back when youre more comfortable with art and youll get it, then come back later and realise you didnt get it but now you do, and then again a year later and youll understand

>>4736069
>spend an hour trying to figure out a pose without a reference
>can't even get halfway right
>flip canvas
>instantly get it right
>what is this magic
Do you know why this happens? Because you are activating your mind to think differently aka become intuitive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0ufz75UvHs

>>4736007
lol you told me to look into bucci yesterday and i didnt. did you know it was me?

Is Loomis meant for people who understand perspective?

>>4735912
>poorly modeled
PLS use real model
To see the stretching of the muscles
https://mega.nz/file/V9xknIqJ#8F5SL1JzNDlJhQ_Yb9doA2BWupmhBeKSRracghb8nHU

>>4736106
s o u l

>>4736111
Yes

>>4736111
no

>>4736101
Yes, anon2562

>>4736066
A moment, I'm resizing everything and be aware, they're bad

>>4736054
>>4736026

>LOOMIS ISNT HELPING

did you try mikey?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHfNfHFxZEU

>>4736066

>>4736154
Huh, the more I look at it the more mistakes that appear, shame.

>>4736149
oh no! I miss(you)ed someone!

>>4736154
I CAN feel the form, NICE anon :)
hampton?

>>4736165
You really mean it anon? If so, I'm very glad to hear that, what about references where I don't have the full body though.
And yes, Hampton, that video was very useful although I haven't watched it today, will do in a while,you see, my issue is with hips and limbs I get confused there, that and I can't do the wrapping lines thingy. Well, off to do boxes and ovals then.

>>4736177
>my issue is with hips and limbs
>>4736117
and
The Art & Science of Figure Drawing - Brent Eviston
will help you with that
and
I have a questio
Knowing perspective helped you with the gesture/feel the form?

>>4736184
>The Art & Science of Figure Drawing - Brent Eviston
I'm already doing this, ovals and circles, once I finish them I'll be able to watch number 3
>Knowing perspective helped you with the gesture/feel the form?
I know perspective? I mean, the only thing I know about it would be from the first three chapters of Perspective made easy and otherwise nope nothing. I'm afraid I can't really answer that question apologies.

been working on this pls critic

>>4736184
Hm, now I change my opinion and I'd say yes, what I try to do if I feel it's too complex, imagine those aiming poses, well I draw a line for where each joint is leading, that to me sounds like baby tier interpretation and use of perspective but that's all.

>>4736193

>>4736193
Those eyes are frightening.

>>4736106
must be pretty tricky to put the helmet on over the horns. not like they curl in opposite directions.

>>4736195
Knowing perspective helped you see the photo not as something flat but as something 3d
I guess

>>4736197
it is that bad?

>>4736198
how do i make them less?im autistic and bad with faces

>>4736202
Yeah, I guess, haha.
Thanks for the help and feedback.

>>4736197
It's too late here, I'm going to sleep.
tomorrow I will publish some exercises that will help you with the tempo
bye bye
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVY5gla0FNQ

>>4736212
>>4736214
haha ma bad

>>4736193
i like it :)

>>4736193
Are you going for cute girl or demon? If you are doing the eyes like that on purpose it's a unique style to have

>>4736233
I guess cute, I guess accidentally cause tism are the irises too small?


>>4736227
Tenk fren

>>4735869
More figure drawings

>>4736193
too little contrast, push your values

>>4736258
me on the left

>>4736203

don't be afraid or using edges and hard shadows but the face is too creepy, learn the eye anatomy to fix that dead stare and if youa re going to stylize you better do learn the basic stuff first

>>4736258
looks very nice

>>4736275
I hate when artists make tutorials with SHIT handwriting I can't understand this shit what are you a fucking doctor?
Why is it so hard to just use the Font tool in photoshop if you want your message to be understood? Bitch. Lazy bitch
You is a lazy bitch and your mama is too

>>4736262
How do I do that while keeping the pastel aesthetic?

TOP TIER TUTORIAL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDR1NR_NCxc

>>4736287
imagine not being able to read

>>4736275
Thank you I agree

>>4736287
is it really that bad'hard to read, it think even without the text still gets the message across

tldr: learn fundis to be able to stylize and think in 3D with said fundies

>>4736258
you are not beg anon

>>4736281
Thanks anon

How do I avoid getting the head comically small?. This is an around 30 minute sketch, planned to work more on the face and lowering the breasts, plus better line

Not really looking for 100% accuracy in likeness or pose, but comparing the reference I get the same problem as always, the head ends up too small.

>>4736304
I'm not sure how to describe it but, It looks like your pushing the facial features outward. They're kinda sliding off the face too.

>>4736301
Thanks

I’ve only been figure drawing since May and was a copyfag before so I’m new to constructive drawing. I consider myself a beginner when it comes to feeling the form and understanding anatomy. Just because it’s well copied doesn’t mean that it’s not beg.

I read vilppu ch1 on gesture. 90 seconds, idk if im doing it right at all honestly. Is this how ur supposed to do it or am i wrong

>>4736193
Sorry but I'm not used to large proportions of heads and eyes so I had to scale it down.
Eye lids are asymmetrical, the top eye lids highest point is closer to the nose while the bottom is further away
The iris usually shouldn't be 50% larger than the actual eye-ball
Your character also doesn't have any eyebrows
Your rendering borders the uncanny valley

>>4736307
That’s my theory too, you can still see the brow ridge line but I must have pushed everything down at some point in the process. Kinda surprised I matched the height of the hair, I think this particular case I drew the features comically small and added too much hair to compensate

>>4736331
there is no way you just started out figure drawing
that shit is amazing

>>4736331
TOP TIER GESTURE TUTORIAL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSzB3ESpfE0

Hey guys I just got a tablet and when I attempt to draw something my shaky hands mess up my drawing. How do I deal with this?

>>4736338
Ive tried it before, but this was the first time after vilppu. So im not sure if im on the right path or im just wasting time doing this

>>4736352
use the tablet your a bit more. When I first got my tablet I had the same problem. You just need to get used to your tablet.

>>4736332
i hear you,weird perspective better?

>>4736332
>The iris usually shouldn't be 50% larger than the actual eye-ball
true

>>4736332
>Your character also doesn't have any eyebrows
will do em

>>4736332
>Your rendering borders the uncanny valley
why?

>>4736357
you're definitely on the right path, keep it up

>>4736193

you're distributing emphasis on the facial features too evenly. i think this is a symptom of following construction too closely. if you take a look at 'cute art', you can gloss over the face and the only thing you'd notice would be the eyes. they're sacrificing realism for appealism. even real-life things like porcelain dolls share the same principles. in the case of cutesy art, the term 'less is more' is probably the defining trait. although showing the masses of the body and the complex forms of the face is technically impressive, it doesn't mesh well with what you're going for.

This is humiliating

>>4736379
>Your rendering borders the uncanny valley
I think it's because you use very limited colors. Try using more values. Don't be afraid to use darker colors.
The edges are also very harsh. I can tell which layer each part of the body is rendered on.

Don't forget to experiment with the brushes in your program so you can figure out what brushes fit your style the most!

Good luck anon, I see your potential.

>>4736422
>>4736422
>>4736413
thank younanons i understanding what you mean ,i admit i have alot to learn i will try again and more ouo

>>4736421
the mouth isnt wide enough or the nose it too wide. space between nose and mouth is off. and your hair isnt dark enough. flip the canvas. paint it upside down so you wont make any assumptions as you paint.just focus on accuracy of value and shapes.

How does this look?

>>4736421
The eyes are half decent bro, just keep at it

>>4736442
ref

>>4736421
Looks fine, clearly unfinished but getting there

Quick question
do light glares such as this reflect on water?

>>4736442
Not correctly measured, lots of shadows are made up. You can hardly make good shadows by using only one pencil and pressing it harder.

>>4736436
>mouth isn't wide enough
Funny how I didn't notice it at all until you pointed it out just now. Lips are a nightmare.

I trying to work on not looking so stiff

>>4736464
Sideways whoops

Ok so after gesture what do you next to construct? add shapes right?

Would posting something based on gore get me banned?

>>4736494
"people" post lolishit here all the time and that's worse

>>4736488
Yeah add volumes

I recommend the vilppu course for that

>>4736498
Vilppu course, not book, ok
Hey anon how can I improve my gestures? >>4736154

>>4736458
when people measure a head we obsess on the proportions vertically but we neglect them horizontally. i just noticed i do that recently. seems common.

>>4736497
Ok then, I know that did the head, mouth, and the lower left part of the cloths disproportionate, but besides that I don't know what else may be wrong

>>4736502
not him, but adding more wrapping lines and "feeling" the forms will set you up for success.

>>4736502
Draw a singular line going through the middle when doing gesture, think of it as tracing the spine. It doesn't have to match the reference perfectly but it should be a sound interpretation of it and you should be able to determine the kind of action being performed. Sometimes even the weight distribution. It doesn't need all the extra detail because you're focusing on the gesture of the figure

>>4736508
Ah, now it clicked for me, I think, thanks.
The wrapping sure is hard but still
>>4736509
Understood, ty.

>>4736453
Thank you

>>4736507
no disrespect but why do you want to learn by drawing stuff like this? is it a fetish thing?

I see a lot of people recommend to turn of opacity pressure to paint. I'm actually kind of digging it after trying it out a bit. is this how everyoene does it? It seems most vids I watch everyone is painting with the opacity set to pressure.

Tips on drawing pleasing noses, lips, and eyes?

>>4736527
Not him but da Vinci used to dig up corpses and dead animals and draw them

>>4736528
Seconding this anons post

>>4734463 #
Thanks for the critique, I made a few revisions.

>>4736421
Hey man I did a relatively quick overpaint to see if I can help since I'm not all too comfortable with this stuff either yet.
The two biggest problems as far as I can tell are probably value range and the patchy approach.
Your values are essentially all mid-tones while in the ref the values go far darker than that.
As for the patchy/ muddy approach you need to properly group your values and block them in with a single value, ignore all the subtle shifts you see, maybe squint if you have a problem with that.
Approach it with a certain boldness, for example you are trying to chip away at the underside of the nose trying to get it to look right while you should take the entire shape block it in and then add subtleties from there.

I still have a lot of problems with trying to pull off hair, think I have a hard time properly identifying the midtone and light areas and from there I have to add texture maybe? i have no idea.

>>4736539
Magic spacing, utilize negative space to hit sweet spots, make sure your proportions are decent, make sure the perspective makes sense, exaggerate size of appealing features humans like, such as eyes lips and nose, humans like soft and round as well, especially for females.
Just look at the standards of beauty and compare it to unappealing works and study the differences

>>4736553
Ty

>>4736549
You're really gonna post the same drawing every thread

Couldn’t draw much this weekend. Moved into a condo.

>>4736550
Thank you anon, I get what you mean, I notice I have a hard time going dark enough. I try to block off the shadows at first, but then suddenly I begin seeing all these different midtones and slow subtle changes that I try to capture all of them. Your strokes look a lot cleaner too.

>>4736502
Btw, don’t watch the NMA course, go for his older one

It’s in the vilppu stuff folder in the video course thread pastebin

>>4736559
I'm following up on some critique a guy gave me in the previous thread. What's it to you?

>>4736570
You shouldn't spend so much time on one insignificant scribble spanning several days during your learning phase when multiple issues will be prevalent.
It's best to note your shortcomings and tackle them by starting other works with those problem areas as the primary focus.

>>4736593
Poopoo peepee

Did some more figure drawings
>>4736567
You mean Renaissance vids? Ok, ty.

>>4736622
i don't get the appeal of Vilppu's gesture drawings, in my opinion i think Alex Woo does a better job doing gesture :/

>>4736620
this is why you'll always be shit and a pedophile

HOW TO DRAW CLOTH, LITERALLY EVERY PIECE OF CLOTHING HAVE SIMILAR VOLUME
AAAAAAAAAAAAAA,
EVERYTHING LOOK LIKE A SHITTY PLASTIC SILK

>>4736528
This. Am I supposed to start this way and get into opac transfer later in the painting to blend it out and add soft edges?

>>4736441
Based

>>4736660
>"this is why you'll always be shit and a pedophile"
Kek, I knew you were the annoying faggot from the previous thread who doesn't know what an artwork critique board is for.
Pyw, post critique or fuck off. Nobody comes here to listen to you piss and moan because you have a chip on your shoulder, you gay nigger.

>>4736649
Whatever works for you

Feeling pretty down today.

>>4736661
Just feel the fabric bro

>>4736736
>4227 boxes

>>4736708
>I knew you were the guy from previous 4 threads in a row where I spammed the same drawing with no noticeable changes
Yea no shit. Least I post new shit every thread, smash player (pedophile)

>>4736649
I haven't watched his course yet but they are very interesting. (vilppu's) gestures flow so easily, I'd love to do my own like that, but I'll check out this alex woo

>>4736541
i no longer want to make art now

>>4736736
bruh, are you autistic or something why so many

Easing into clothing

progress!

>>4736781
Her right arm's long

How do I combine color and values? I’m finally starting to understand values but adding color eludes me; I read james gurney but I’m too brainlet to understand. How do you choose the saturation levels and factor in environmental lighting?

>>4736789
Hmmm yeah you right

How do I construct anime hair?

>>4736809
Theres a back, and front! Try to think of them as shapes

>>4736813
Im having trouble making the lines of the front

>>4736764
>"previous 4 threads in a row where I spammed the same drawing with no noticeable change"
You're literally just making shit up, retard.

I only posted it in the previous thread, and this one (two threads since that's hard for you to count to on your own).
>First as a wip
>Then once as a finished piece.
>Then a guy gave me critique, so I posted my revision for him in this thread.
Now dipshit, would you care to explain which one of my grand total of THREE posts is excessive, or in any way out of place on an artwork critique board?
No, you can't, because you're full of shit.

>"smash player (pedophile)"
What are you talking about? What the fuck is this Schizophrenic gibberish supposed to mean to me? Once again, you are full of shit.

Pyw.

>>4736863
>pyw
Any critiques or red lines?

>>4736886
Pretentious trash with no artistic value.

>>4736917
That's what I thought hahaha

>>4736886
Nope, looks good. Just making sure you aren't a total reprobate with nothing better to do than chastise strangers for daring to post 3 whole progress pics on/beg/.
>>4736917 wasn't me

>>4736507
Pretty good job on the expression. The individual features aren't quite the right shape, but they're positioned correctly, and capture the empty-eyed corpse stare pretty well.
Your measuring is sloppier elsewhere, and since you didn't do proper construction, the mistakes propagate, with the neck and entire torso ending up narrower because you made the cranium too short. Shapes are generally poorly defined, especially on the right, where the corpse blends into the background. Instead of choosing a line, you just blocked in the shadows, even if those shadows didn't really mean anything. They should convey shape. Or disappear into the background, if you want the composition where only the shirt and head really stand out, but that doesn't work if the background is just white paper.
>>4736527
Not all art needs to make you happy, horny or excited. Uncomfortable and slightly nauseous is fine too.

>>4736934
You're not even one of the worst here I was just trying to encourage you to try to move on to new works, i wasn't trying to discourage you or anything. I do hate lolishit though but I'll stop commenting on that

>>4736886
File deleted? That's odd. I wonder why you did that.

>>4736943
The nose is wrong and I hate looking at it

>>4736886
>Any critiques or red lines?
nose is wrong and I hate looking at it

>>4736886
What did you use to make this? Did you just take a knife to a printed photo, or meticulously paint a blank canvas to look like you did? I sure hope it's the former, because the latter would be a huge amount of work for exactly the same end result.

I am doomed.

>>4736942
Well, mind your own damn buisiness next time. I don't need that kind of "encouragement".
Especially from someone who hates my art in the first place.

>>4736955
It's a bic pen

>>4736968
Just draw bigger

I tried to draw an event with more than 1 person. Any good?

>>4736993
aka bigger drawing?
btw is this shit or something in between?

>>4737000
had hard times distinguishing two figures

>>4737002
>is it shit
Don't ask questions you already know the answers to, but you're on the right track just keep practicing man

>>4735855
oh yeah. tong that pussy.

>>4737000

Somebody's getting molested!

>>4736955
Holy shit, you people are all so bitter, and passive aggressive. I've been bickering with this guy over some petty bullshit, but if he actually drew that, he is extremely talented. Why do you have to go out of your way to put the most negative, spin you can possibly find on it? Why discourage a good artist? Why are you trying to make people's lives worse?

>>4737023
I felt obligated to say something negative since he deleted the file.
Also, I genuinely can't tell how that was made, and I'm curious. It looks like a painting, but the photo is blurry.

>>4737000
Do you do commissions?

>>4736201
I'm not the artist but I feel realism was the last thing on their minds. The artist has true SOUL

>>4736026
>mfw

>>4736106
It doesn't get any more s o u l f u l than this
>lined paper + ballpen
>childlike attempt at construction and perspective
>simple yet endearing design
>creativity first before realism
>subtle story

Do you guys know of any ways to construct heads besides the Loomis method?

>>4737107
riley

This OP picture is unacceptable for a general.

>>4737150
I suggest we use>>4736106

>>4737150
no it's not

>>4736222
this pose is illegal anon!

>>4736304
>I get the same problem as always, the head ends up too small.

make the head bigger that you thing it is?

>>4736460
the proportions/perspective look messed up

>think i have a decent handling of freehand perspective
>try a bit of the box challenge and check my vanishing points
oh no

>>4737235
I'm not the artist, but what proportions? Which perspective?

>>4735855
I can't understand how to touch my pen down without stopping the "ghosting" drawabox tells you to do before making a mark.

>>4736106

Feeling pretty chill and S O U L F U L, anon. GMI.

>>4737375
Keep trying, eventually your muscles are going to get used to it.

Inshallah

Sketchin

>>4736772
Looks good anon. Shoes are a little off. The bottoms need to be flat, and yours look a little curved.

>Fun with a pencil
>It's actually fun

I don't understand, what is your problem with this book?

>>4737385
Thanks Anon, I just hope I'm not enough of a retard and be able to learn how to draw anime

>>4737413
also, don't get too worked up with those exercises. The guy puts too much emphasis on them but in the end is just a personal turbo-autismo of his.

terrible /beg/ here, how do i draw coats

>>4737422
learn how to draw a figure and face before you attempt drapery

>>4736736
what is the point of drawing so many boxes if you going to half ass them?

>>4737435
oof

>>4737422
learn perspective first
https://drawabox.com/
and
<--- do this everyday(warn up)

>>4736968
>symbol drawing
draw what you see anon

>>4737455
Apart from the obvious examples, I never understood the what, where and how I should learn the other stuff Nsio listed.

>>4737465
>where and how I should learn the other stuff Nsio listed.
https://drawabox.com/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z--GtzFU2UU

>>4737471
Following drawabox right now, didn't know about the video though, thankk

>>4737473
if you can rotate a box,cylinder,sphere you can draw everything
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaG-cBidCBw
The only way to master shading is learn perspective
If you master perspective(100hours-300h), you can learn how to shade in 2-3 days :)
https://www.deviantart.com/nsio/art/Nsio-Explains-Shading-Basics-647268365

>>4736549
you still made the finger curve instead of pop out

>>4737435
i'm not that much of a /beg/ right??? have i been too over confident?? oh no

>>4737526
this one is a lil better but yeah the coat one is some serious beg

>>4737530
i agree but i was trying to focus on the coat desu. should have focused on the underlying form which the coat would have been on top of. real rookie mistake

>>4737408
I was incapable of doing the exercises.

>>4737498
What about consistency and symmetry, I know consistency and symmetry will come naturally through practice, but is there anything that can help point me in the right direction while being absolute /beg/

>>4737531
hey as long as you recognise the mistake then youre good

>>4737217
Sounds like the logical solution right? Don't have any example, but when I attempt that the opposite happens, the head ends up comically big

Reimu on her way to epicly genocide some yoki.

>>4737526
>have i been too over confident?? oh no
the Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which people with low ability at a task overestimate their ability. It is related to the cognitive bias of illusory superiority and comes from the inability of people to recognize their lack of ability. Without the self-awareness of metacognition, people cannot objectively evaluate their competence or incompetence
KEK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>4737559

>>4736527
It makes me feel good

If i can do this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaG-cBidCBw&t=491s
Im still a beg?
I have been drawing for like one month in a half

>>4737566
is this better?

>>4737569
pyw

>>4737570
0, 255, 0 or bust.

>>4736937
>Your measuring is sloppier elsewhere, and since you didn't do proper construction, the mistakes propagate
What is a good starting point for proper construction? I'm mostly doing observational drawing and followed keys to drawing so I don't know much besides plumbing and measure by reference
>Instead of choosing a line, you just blocked in the shadows, even if those shadows didn't really mean anything. They should convey shape.
What do you mean by this?

>>4737570
No dude, I mean you made her skin too yellowish for that background

>>4737590
ok thanks for the fix

OH, BOY, OH, BOY! NOW THE FUN REALLY STARTS

>>4737561
and that's why i'm on /ic/ faggot. so other people can look at my shit art and tell me what's shit about it
>>4737546
so i did one again referencing an actual coat instead of trying to draw one from imagination, and i took my time with this one to make sure it looks right. i think it looks much better personally

>>4737628
this is better yeah, dont use clothes on a mannequin though, find a coat in action, with movement

>>4737554
then you draw a little smaller next time and so on until one day you draw it just right

knowing the proportions help too

also measuring
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzDGO0LssEM

>>4737588
>What do you mean by this?
I mean that those dark areas in the lower right aren't really part of the corpse, they're just the negative space around the plant in the foreground. The plant isn't really important here, the hanged man is.
I'm not sure if this is useful advice. Feel free to just ignore it.
For construction, unironically Loomis. Anything else the sticky recommends for figure drawing is probably good too.

>>4737559
the expression is really nice!

>>4736736
Gmi

>>4737618
no

Can someone give me some pointers on drawing faces? I tried loomis initially, but it looked overly masculine, so I examine various artists on danbooru, but I must be blind or retarded, since the placement for this stuff looks off

>>4737749
well for starters her ear wouldnt be joined to her neck

>>4736736
what does drawing over 4000 boxes even help with? understanding 3D space? construction?

I have some doubts regarding how light my lines should be, as long as I can see them that's fine right? and how sharp should they be, I apologize for the question and thanks in advance
https://imgur.com/a/mbT21BL

>>4737758
yeah for sure, I just haven't fixed that yet

>>4737770
>https://imgur.com/a/mbT21BL
the camera quality makes it hard to see, but ultimately as long as you can see it, I don't see the problem

>>4737658
How would you go about measuring the proportions of a figure not standing straight?

Seems the proportions are around the same, but I'm sure I'm measuring right, it should be closer to 3 heads for the torso right?

>>4737775
Oh I know, let's say I named that post after that, I was surprised to see that you can barely see anything but alright, that's good, I just don't know.

Newfeg here.

self portrait + loomis studies

>>4737032
That bit at the end was pretty mean imo.
But I'm not really mad at you, so much as I'm frustrated with this entire board.
Everyone is so negative, and will go out of there way to discourage 10 people for petty reasons, before the give even one compliment to another artist.
This is one of the few productive boards on 4chan, yet most people here purposely discourage people.

>>4737784
just say newfag. it's fine. my favourite ones are the ones on the right side. i like the life - 2nd try one the most. looks like you've got a bit of a style going on. loomis + life definitely helped you with the feature placements though, like the eyes are level while they are not in the one above it.

>>4737811
lmao cry me a river you dumb retard go back to redit

>>4737811
just ignore the negative and dont get sucked into it, be positive and people follow by example, most people here are cunts because of board "culture" and theyw ant to fit in, plus the fact most people here are young, so just help as much as you can and dont let them get to you

on the other hand though this thread is more to point out mistakes, so yes it comes across as a lot of hate but wants the point in praising, thats not what people come here for

>>4737776
did you watch the video? or do you mean something else? because I think he address that, no?

>>4737000
This should be in the sex thread. You are not beg

>>4737863
Yes, but the video has a figure standing straight, that's very easy to measure.

If I measured the head in my figure using a vertical line the torso would be like 2 heads tall, which is obviously incorrect

>>4737749
try mikey mega mega >>4736149

>>4737870

are we talking about the same thing? because I am saying measure when you can't rely on proportions.

her torso will look shorter because it is bent, but as long you copy that measurement to your drawing it will be right because it is also bent.

does that explain it?

i'm back

>>4736736
r u a girl

>>4737883
oh thanks buddy I'll give it a shot

Trying to finally learn how to paint, I tend to paint with the values always a little bit higher than the reference. Should I focus on accuracy or just keeping the values relative to each other, even if everything turn to be lighter, is fine?

upside down beg fuckery
>>4736968
my second shiet

>>4737776
some new anon who didn't bother to read your other posts
>>4737776
>How would you go about measuring the proportions of a figure not standing straight?
Comparative measurement and Iten's accuracy guide if you're drawing from reference
https://www.dorian-iten.com/accuracy/
Knowing/memorizing proportions has the most value when drawing from imagination but for that to be useful you would need to know some perspective and it might be a bit redundant if drawing from reference (imo)
your sense of proportion should improve as you keep practicing

anything in particular I should keep in mind when going forward with these?

>>4737967
learn how not to copy. Watch Vilppu's figure drawing videos.

>>4737972
anon the whole point is to "copy" and draw what you see

>>4737972
Lol, guy posts a pretty good envelope drawing and people have to point to “not copy”

Someone draws in a more gestural approach and everyone redlines how it’s not 100% truthful to the reference

Never change /ic/

>>4737984
What's an envelope drawing?

tried to feel some animal forms

>>4737989
This would be a very developed envelope, but it basically means copying the 2d shaped with very little tolerance for error

While the “feel the form” approach doesn’t really care about matching the reference as long as you get a “likeness”

Do one of the approaches in a decent way and /ic/ will tell you you are ngmi because you didn’t followed the other method

>>4738003
found this when googling it, which is basically the process I used with that exercise so good to know I'm not completely misguided in terms of technique
I'm interested in both figure and mechnanical/architectural drawing so the less structured and freeform approach you described doesn't feel very suitable for what I'm going for with drawing from life

>>4737984
Well obviously it wouldn't be very useful to tell someone drawing in a more gestural style not to copy, or redlining something that is 100% truthful to the reference.

>>4738023
this process isnt anything special its what every artist does, draw in the big shapes and the work down to the details, draw like a sculptor, look up bargue plates for more

>>4737992
Is that you Proko?

>>4738028
yeah that pic is from bargue

>>4738031
why would proko post in beg, faggot

Read most of this thread and i realized most of guys are fucking idiots.

90% of you ngmi

>>4738036
Humility is a virtue. Are you saying that Proko isn't virtuous?

>>4738052
it's not that. Proko is not a /beg/. If he thought he was a /beg/ he wouldn't have en entire youtube channel with tutorials teaching others how to draw. unless he's a /beg/ at drawing animals
>>4738051
nice bait asshole. pyw

>>4738051
pyw

>>4738028
Not really, guys like Vilppu don’t really care to get the proportions correct as they exist in the picture plane

To each their own, I think having a little bit of both is great since Vilppu’s is really fun. Getting the proportions 100% faithful as in an strict Bargue Drawing is a sure way you will end up stopping drawing

>>4738051
May I ask why you think that?

>>4738051
Am I part of the 10%?

>>4738036
Bottom left corner

>>4738074
wherei s ur work?

>>4738062
I think it's extremely satisfying to sculpt out more and more detailed depictions from a rough block drawing

>>4738086
my dog ate it

I like Loomis

>>4738128
I hate big files

>>4738145
Sorry

>>4738082
what about it

>>4738156
>>4738156
>>4738156

>>4737542
https://www.deviantart.com/nsio/art/Nsio-s-Four-Tools-for-a-Successful-Drawing-481622060
https://www.deviantart.com/nsio/art/Nsio-explains-Understanding-3D-490847001
>symmetry
>consistency
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0ufz75UvHs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovSAXB2NHqc

>>4738164
It looks like the Proko kangaroo

>>4736507
wtf, you're a serial killer in training.

>>4738216
Is the guy who made pic related a serial killer then?

>>4738223
im gonna go out on a limb and say if not then he has some serious issues, no sane person would draw this

>>4738223
I wonder what did he used for reference

>>4737982
No. No it is not. You are making an outline and trying to copy the person as an entire individual outline. You are copying what you see. You need to understand what you see, and as Vilppu says, "feel the form." That drawing doesnt have any technical errors, but you copied what you saw is why. You didnt learn anything, you didnt gain anything, you didnt do anything other than copy the individual lines you saw to make a final outline of the person in the photo. There is no soul, expression or life in that piece. Copying things is not the same as feeling the form and understanding how to apply soul to them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOtVUHgJqQk

Again, go watch Vilppu and learn

>>4737992
time to learn how animal anatomy and joints work

>>4738256
you are actually retarded

>>4738256
You're correct that he was drawing observationally instead of anatomically, but that's really what he needs to be doing now. The worst thing a /beg/ can do is go into vlippu and heavy anatomy without learning observation and gesture, as well as perspective, construction and value.

>>4737967
Looks good besides the sloppy face and the big left hand. That thigh looks huge too, but it matches with the reference. Form is slightly stiff too, I'd recommend figure drawing for artists.

>>4736736
Your construction drawing must be God tier.