/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4730861
work smart, write good story and cut corners on the drawing as much as you can with simplification and recycling

>>4730861
Who is this hard working retard?

>>4730871
Says his name in the top left corner, he made "Rise of the Yokai Clan"

Yeah, of course. I have the discipline, but it's just my crippling insecurity (among other things) that holds me back
https://youtu.be/t3rKrTehORY

>>4730861
>jump magazine
>asking this in /ic/
nonetheless I think there are several fag in 4chan who are competent enough to draw nonstop. But the problem lies with coming up with a story and maintaining it.
Most people would prefer monthly magazine or the webtoon schedule.

>>4730861
>Still want to become a manga artist, /ic/?
yes
i do this to myself already in order to prepare for it

>>4730861
I bet this he don't even follow this schedule. because there is so many stuff that he has to do that isn't in the schedule.

>>4730861
So the guy eats 11 times a week but doesn't take a shit at all
Fuck I'm a total ngmi I spend more time on the loo than he does sleeping
(this is a bs thread)

>>4730861
I genuinely wish I had this sort of discipline.
I'd rather be unhappy and gud, than unhappy and shit at drawing.

>>4730889
never heard of it.

>>4731609
If you actually felt that way you would be living that lifestyle or close to it as possible.

>>4730861
>Still want to become a manga artist, /ic/?
Yes. I'll just avoid weekly releases and shonen like the plague And maintain a montly seinen/adult audience as my focus.

>>4731630
I can't, I have ADD.

>>4730861
fuck no, i'd rather publish short one sometimes during work

>>4730913
time to die young

Artist as a career is overrated. Most are overworked and underpaid. I love art, but I knew deep down only the top 1% have the skills to get anywhere, and a fraction have the connections or cunny to use in order to secure it. Enjoy it as a hobby. Don't lose it by turning it into a career.

>>4730889
>Rise of the Yokai Clan
looks like fujobait

>>4731706
>I can't
Well there's your problem

>>4730889
>SHIIBASHI Hiroshi
https://www.mangaupdates.com/authors.html?id=5831
Yep, he is hardworking retard that hasn't produced anything of note.

>>4730861
that was my childish dream, I don't even speak japanese

>>4732068
its a sad reality to face. if you're not japanese you're not going to succeed in any capacity.

>>4730861
This just looks like my typical final week of the semester at uni. At least these people consistently got sleep every day.

>>4730861
How do I achieve this?

>>4730861
no i want to become a doujin artist

>>4730861
Suicide by Jump! aside, does anyone have the schedules of mangaka with a monthly serialization or something less insane? Also everyone here should read Manga Poverty. It's a very real book by a successful mangaka and sort of prophetic about the future of the industry that is unfolding right now. The mangaka life is fucking brutal, I can see myself lasting a few months due to sheer excitement of getting serialized but imagine doing this shit your whole life.

>>4730861
>you'll never die from overworking for your manga
What's the point otherwise? Going out any other way just wouldn't match up even if this schedule looks like hell.

>>4733623
>you'll never die from overworking for your manga
Does anyone here unironically have this as a life goal?

>>4733641
Teenagers and people who never worked

>>4732070
Try telling that to Tony Valente who's French. He even got his manga adapted into an anime too.

>>4733671
Flat colors > Rendering colors

>>4730861
Does this take assistants into account?

>>4730861
7 hours sleep is overkill!

Working smart > working hard.

I do neither, but the former can get you places without the need to pawn your body.

>>4732010
Nunarihyon no Mago was somewhat popular 6~8 years ago.

>>4730861
It is worth noting this is the WEEKLY schedule of a weekly magazine mangaka.
A monthly schedule is far more relaxed, as you have 4th times the time to churn out a chapter.

>>4733770
Funny how only 4 hours of all this crunch is dedicated to writing the scenario.

A duo of writer/artist is very unbalanced, what the fuck will the writer even do while the artist is spending 9999 times more hours drawing?
He can put the screentones or do the dishes, but this sort of low-skill task can be achieved by anyone who isn't the writer.

>>4730861
If you wanna make it big then you gotta put hours in, none of this “draw for 30 min and browse /ic/ for the day”.

You know what? This schedule isn't too bad. He averages around 6 hours of sleep. You get 1 hour for each meal. And its not like you're completely isolated during this time, you have assistants and editors, etc. The only real stressful part is writing the scenario. The rest is just a grind.

>>4734331
storyboard.

>>4734337
>The only real stressful part is writing the scenario.
This 100%

>>4734338
The artist has to do the storyboard, because the writer doesn't necessarily have the visual expertise for camera shots, composition etc.

If this sort of work is included in the "manuscript" section, then this is not as daunting as I imagined, storyboarding the rough idea is pretty laidback.

>>4730861
desu, what's the life expectancy of a manga artist? how soon before chronic pain or other health problems set in?

>>4730861
Why am I like this. I just starting one piece from the start and I want to craft a story like this. I have basically no artistic talent at all. I want to do it but I feel it would be crazy to try when there are people who are actually good at art and still fail. I mean my other ambitions are unachievable as well.

>>4734349
There's no point in accomplishing something easy my man. Rise up; work hard.

>>4734352
The only things I have ever drawn are fake pokemon, and even those are pretty shitty. Thanks for the words. What things should I practice drawing from real life to build my skills.

My main goal is to capture pre timeskip one pieces feel.

>>4734343
>The artist has to do the storyboard, because the writer doesn't necessarily have the visual expertise for camera shots, composition etc.
Where the fuck did you get this idea?

>>4734362
In my initial conception, it was:

Scenario = Stickfigures drawn by the writer.
Storyboard = polished scenario, turned into understandable shapes for editor approval.

At some point of the process the artist has to step in and improve the visual elements, and THAT would be the "finished storyboard". I'm imagining the artist should do it before the editor tell you to change things, otherwise how the fuck can the editor tell if those shabby stickfigures will work?

>>4734357
Study
>Figure Drawing
>Perspective

that covers 90% of it. Then there's peripheral things to study that shouldn't take too long, like drapery, animals, landscapes, etc. All depends on what you want to include in your manga. You don't need to draw from real life, photos will do just fine.

>>4734437
Thanks for that.

I want my manga at least for now to have a simmilarish art style to one piece and I want there to be an element of fantasy (monsters,magic,etc) and things like tanks. I don't know why but I want the team of adventurers to travel in a tank. Don't know why, just feel it would be cool. I want it to be cartoonish like one piece but I don't want it to be too goofy looking. My worst drawing things at the moment are hands, legs and More realistic faces

>>4733723
>Working smart > working hard.
>I do neither
incredibly based and redpilled

>>4734357
Good luck!

>>4730861
Manga artist? No my plan is worse, I willl become an animator in japan.

>>4734677
this, but unironically. If there's a European studio who will take an English speaking animator, please let me know, I haven't done my research yet.

>>4734677
Animate for manga I haven't drawn anything for lmao

>>4730864
>implying these pro mangaka don't already do that to the maximum

>>4732010
the point is that the really good and successful ones are even more hard working and everything is consumed by their work

>>4730861
no, comics are for kids

>>4733671
that's a western comic anon no matter how many manga tropes you're trying to force into it

>>4734848
Yet it got picked up by a Japanese studio kys

>>4734848
That's definitely a manga, follows all the techniques of manga, not western comics. Regardless of what you crabpeople think there is a distinction between the two.

>>4734841
good thing this is a manga thread

>>4733770
>A monthly schedule is far more relaxed, as you have 4th times the time to churn out a chapter.

don't just assume things, besides getting into a monthly serialization is by far harder since the content actually needs to be good enough to captivate readers over a longer period and there aren't that many open publishing spots. Meanwhile weekly series get cancelled constantly because it's not good enough, has lost reader numbers, mangaka has given up on it, etc. and there are thousands of new works that take it's place

>>4734854
>>4734858
cope it's a comic obv, even the character looks out of tumblr

>>4734864
>manga aren't comics!!
yikesu cringe-san

>>4734869
never said that manga aren't comics, i said this is a manga thread

>>4734868
>even the character looks out of tumblr
what a subjective shit opinion
it's a manga, cope

>>4734871
>do you still want to be a manga artist?
>no, comics (ie manga) are for kids
>um achtshually this thread isn't about comics
>but manga are comics
>um acthshually i never said they're not!
so this is a thread about comics and you just replied to my post for no reason. are you literally fucking retarded?

>>4734876
this thread is about manga, which are comics, but produced in a completely different way that makes them different from what is commonly referred to as "comics", so this thread is about manga, not comics
it's you who are in the wrong thread anon, make a comic thread or head to /co/

>>4734876
go draw genius

People here tend to think about drawing all day as some kind of an ultimate holy grail of creativity. I don't think it is a good mindset to have.

Don't get me wrong its amazing If you have the discipline and guts to pull off a schedule like that. But,

Working a lot will eventually harm you in a way that you won't be able to recover from. Eyestrain and carpal tunnel. yo. It really doesn't take much to get there.

Most creatives seem to be really enthusiastic about their work and those who are willing to work overtime tend to get successful. Eventually industries start to expect it from everyone and the crunch becomes a job requirement.

Value your time and health godamnit

>>4734848
>>4734868
>because there's a female black character it must be tumblr!
>meanwhile in what is considered one of the best anime of all time, Hxh.

>>4735617
rip gotoh. He didn't have to die.

>>4735617
But anon, that one is OK because it was done by a japanese artist.

>>4730861
if i were in japan, and native japanese, absolutely

>>4734868
>even the character looks out of tumblr
the only factor that's important is where it's made, not how it looks like, retard

>>4730861
I can't be a manga artist if I'm not japanese

>>4734331
the writer will could just spend more time on the story, which may or may not result in a better story. but it is probably not the case.

>>4734337
assuming everything goes according to plan

>>4730861
Holy shit! What a frightening schedule. The Japanese work themselves to death. I feel so bad for them.

>>4733671
This is Discount Fairy Tail. Thou I will you that Tony's art style and range is more diverse than Hiro's.

>>4734677
the funny thing is, the position to be an animator in Japan is more open than it is as a mangaka. Being a mangaka require more personal research and learning Japanese to the core. Atleast in animation, you have a manager who can guide if you have trouble looking for a lead. You'll probably have it worse when it come to living wages, but so is the mangaka not by a big margin.

>>4733671
That's a cartoon. Not an anime.

The French do a pretty good job at copying the nips artstyle, but the nips offer better tier quality. None of that PC garbage exist in anime.

I learned my lesson to avoid French anime after watching pic-related.

>>4734854
So what? Same with thing Mutafukaz & Boondocks, which are all based on a Western comics. They still don't count as an authentic anime.

>>4734854
To be considered authentic anime:
>the manga must come from Japan
>the artist must be Japanese in origin
>the animation must be done by a Japanese animation studio.

>>4739087
>the animation must be done by a Japanese animation studio.

So what about the Korean outsourced animu?

>>4739077
>This is Discount Fairy Tail.
As in, its only value is the fan service?

>>4730861
No, I just want to make a comic that people enjoy and comes out at a decent pace, doesn't have to be my job, is that possible?

>>4739492
>decent pace
>doesn't have to be my job

>>4739492
Define "that people enjoy" and "decent pace"

>>4739503
>>4739505
Alright I guess I won't make one. I won't have the skill to make one popular enough for financial stability nor the work ethic

>>4739531
Neither does anyone here.

How do I make unconventional names that don't just straight up sound like lotr shit

>>4733723
>thinking the any of the top producers in any field aren't doing both

>>4740433
You don't have to be a top producer to be a mangaka. Lots of mediocre shit gets published.

>>4740758
You do have to publish on time though, at least in the beginning. Sticking to a schedule, or committing to anything, is the biggest /beg/ hurdle if this board is any indication.

>>4739081
>but the nips offer better tier quality

I don't know if it's because of COVID-19 but the quality in a LOT of shows have been in a huge decline dip.