/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4718773
post links
or examples

>>4718787
Not op but
https://www.reddit.com/r/ArtProgressPics/comments/g5o8kc/3_months_progress/
This random chick supposedly got up to that level with no prior experience in 6 months, and does commissions and shit. I don’t get it. Do girls just have a better sense of what’s appealing, or is it that the animu style is just that much easier to fall back on than trying to come up with something more original?

>>4718795
Yeah this sub in general is suicide fuel

>>4718815
I mean plenty of the posters make zero or reasonable progress, but there’s outliers like that one that make you wanna end it all, wondering what the fuck you’ve been doing worng

>>4718795
>tfw these people made more progress than 80% of the board.

>>4718795
Are you stupid? This is an absolutely average improvement rate. You are just inept.

Ignoring that this isn't an abnormal rate of improvement, women are intrinsically better at creative endeavors as they are hardwired that way on a genetic level. None of that matters however, if you are not disciplined.

>>4718773
so she learned how to use the digital art program properly and did more coloring and shading. You can do that too. Everyone that says they don't take it seriously is lying btw. Reddit is a social media, stop taking it serious. Everyone lies and fakes it so you think they're better than they are. Stop comparing yourself and just do you booboo

>>4718830
It looks less impressive to me now as art in general, but the rate at which she improved still seems faster than what I’d think is normal.

Holy shit
This is a few years of inconsistent drawing and the left one was done on the first try

>>4718795
>/beg/ will be on suicide watch after seeing this

>>4718795
Decent progress. Sounds like she spends a lot of time drawing (she admits to copying speedpaints and stuff) and has an art teacher. She's probably really young and really, when you're young, you have a ton of time to work on shit.
Also, she gets commissions because she plugs herself like crazy on posts looking for artists (just because she's taking commissions doesn't mean she gets a ton of them).
The only person you should be comparing yourself to is who you were yesterday, not random girls on the internet

>>4718849
>>4718845
Consider this: they are fucking lying for internet points.

if u actually drew consistently this would not amaze you

>>4718872

>>4718849

That's incredible, but I wonder if a certain percentage of people are just savants at copying what they see, and how much real artistic skill is involved.

>>4718830

If that's average then why do most people on that subreddit not show that kind of improvement?

>>4718894
Because stupid people don't know how stupid they are. Stupid people think they're good at something and immediately go to show off their "skill" for validation they aren't stupid. Intelligent people can recognize their own ineptitude and know better than to show off sub par work.

I would not say she didn't have any prior experience. In three months she had more than enough time to improve gesture drawing and she didn't. I don't know why is his supposed to be that great.

>>4718927
pyw

>>4718904

So basically you're saying "I have a feeling of what's average and no evidence of it because my entire theory revolves around a lack of evidence."

>>4718872
basically came here to say this. anybody that knows reddit knows this is not a cope, those fuckers will literally lie about anything, absolutely anything, to get their sweet sweet internet points and their "le reddit gold."

>>4718795
copy lots of animu andcopy along to shittons of speed paints and tutorials and you might get there someday too

>>4718795
>Do girls just have a better sense of what’s appealing
I don't think it's necessarily something you're born with as a girl, but it's definitely pushed onto girls more than guys. Guys are basically expected to look mostly clean. Girls are expected to look lovely, have a room that looks like it came out of a design magazine, even their penmanship has higher standards.

>is it that the animu style is just that much easier to fall back on than trying to come up with something more original?
And herein lies your real problem. Instead of being inspired by someone else's progress, you've convinced yourself that their progress is lesser because it's anime style. It's not your thing, it's not my thing, but it's that artist's thing, and like it or not, they're working on making it while you're here coping.

>>4718870
Thanks anon
>>4718927
I do agree that her work is a bit stiff, but their wise decently appealing
>>4718959
It’s not a matter of getting to her skill level, I just didn’t think it’d be possible so quick.

>>4718795
I bet I could do this if I divide my attention to all fundamentals of art, instead of tackling each subject 1 by 1, Actually it's not just me, it's all of you begs too, put the work in damn it

>>4718773
don't worry, "artists" are notorious liars and scammers, and the individuals you are referring to have probably years of hobby experience even though it's mediocre

>>4718972
Nah man it's way better to sit on your ass and look at other people's progress instead of actually drawing haha

>>4718967
> And herein lies your real problem. Instead of being inspired by someone else's progress, you've convinced yourself that their progress is lesser because it's anime style.
I don’t think that, I was just wondering if it’s easier to get away with more bullshit since anime relies heavily on simplification. Otherwise, I was pretty impressed, and also insecure kek

>>4718979
Look at /asg/ and there’s your answer.

>>4718795
Stupid impressionable /beg/. This is really average. You just have no talent at all.

>>4718795
>https://www.reddit.com/r/ArtProgressPics/comments/g5o8kc/3_months_progress/
This really isn't *that* much better. She still wouldn't be allowed to leave /beg/.

>>4718830
>Ignoring that this isn't an abnormal rate of improvement, women are intrinsically better at creative endeavors as they are hardwired that way on a genetic level.
Which is why all the old masters are women.

>>4719015
Post your fucking work begtranny

>>4718970
Anon I've literally seen people in the /beg/ and progress threads move at this speed or faster. I think you're seeing what you want to see and letting it get to you.

>>4718795
>https://www.reddit.com/r/ArtProgressPics/comments/g5o8kc/3_months_progress

She didn't learn to draw. She learned to use photoshop (or wtv software) a lot better which is more than possible in 3 months
Just look at the details. Look at that right arm, the face, proportions. Almost nothing is ok in there

>>4718795
I may sound like a crab but is it really a good progress? It's with reference so it's not that hard I am complete beg myself and I think I and most of /beg/ coulld do something like that.

But I might have a serious case of Dunning Kruger.

>>4718979

As you go you'll find that good simplification is actually a pain in the ass to do right.

>>4718870
>The only person you should be comparing yourself to is who you were yesterday, not random girls on the internet

this

>>4718795
If you train seriously, you do realize that you can put close to 200 hours of drawing in three months, easily.
I'd say her progress is extremely average, but at least she made some, so props to her.

inb4 pyw, pic related

>>4719028
>I think you're seeing what you want to see and letting it get to you.
I guess I agree, it really caught me off guard when I first saw it though. This happened to me a lot with “girly” art, I’m always surprised at how chicks less than /beg tier skill scribble out something appealing. I think that’s a discussion for another day, till I make it, I’ll just keep grinding.

>>4718936
low iq

It is commonly accepted knowledge that people always exaggerate their success in life. They post only the most flattering selfies to social media. They blog, tweet, and facebook post images from their vacations that make their stay seem luxurious, they humblebrag about their job and show off wealth.

This is commonly accepted knowledge. Why would art progress be any different? It's very obvious 99% of art progression pictures are very flattering and the artist selects a very poor "before" image and selects an "after" image which they poured hours and hours polishing.

Stop falling for peoples stupid attempts to make their lives seem perfect. Stupid fucking FOMO culture.

Sort of related, did a drawabox exercise and wanted to compared my result to others and was blown away by how much worse I am than everyone else, especially this one https://imgur.com/a/QD5qixJ
That shit is really demoralizing

>>4718787
>>4718795
Went to that sub, holy fuck lmao

>>4719246
this is pretty average development for normies. they grind anatomy, perspective just long enough to get basic things right, then hide everything under rendering and clothes.

>>4719293
>normies/plebbit can develop better artist than /ic/

>>4719298
>>4719298
I'm not trying to be rude, but are you stupid? I just wrote that they are neglecting anatomy and perspective and just dump all their time into rendering.

Look at the woman on the right, her trap muscles. Theyre not even connected to the body. Look at her neck, it's just floating in space. The artists didn't learn anything about anatomy in those 6 months. (S)he just spent all day long grinding fabric and rendering. This is just symbol drawing with colorful cutesy rendering. Whch is fine, but that's what it is.

Begs on /ic/ are bullied into grinding anatomy and perspective, theyre told to grind gesture and anatomy studies for months. Theyre told to copy Bargue plates and do all sorts of exercises normie artists never touch until theyre much farther along

>>4719307
Their head, arm, and hand anatomy all look fine? It's just stylized
Even without rendering their sketches are pretty good

The amount of cope in this thread is palpable

>>4719358
Yea no, this is /asg/ tier of artwork.

>>4719358
>Even without rendering their sketches are pretty good
I know "soul" is a meme on here, but I feel like this chick manages to pull it off whereas I can't. I start off with a pretty vibrant looking sketch, then it just stiffens up and goes sour. It's weird because I think I'm in that middle stage where I'm not pure /beg/ but my stuff also generally doesn't have that 'finished' look that more skiled artists do. Needs more fundies and soul I guess

>>4719358
anon this anatomy is totally fucked up. and again, these mistakes are being hidden with clothes, the neck, shoulder, torso, legs all are conveniently covered with clothing. drawing at this level is easily doable starting from day 1 , in maybe 6 months? at a very mild pace if you ignore every fundamental.

is this a joke or something? her right leg is just haphazardly floating in space. she made no attempt to draw it connected to the pelvis. her left leg is obscenely long and drawn in a goofy, weird perspective. her limbs are noodles, there is no definition in her left arm or left leg. shoulder placement makes no sense and her spine would have to be broken to possible connect to the pelvis, and that is not touching on the fact that her neck seems to be randomly attached to the center of her torso as opposed to where the spine would be.

i am beginning to understand why ints and adv artists never reply to begs, because low begs are actually unironically retarded and not only that but they are fucking arrogant despite being stupid little shits

>>4718872
>>4718952
>>4718886
I remember someone showing me a cake-decoration subreddit, it was a lot of posts of like "I made this for my cousin's birthday!" followed by a nice picture, thegirl showing me the posts was amazed at the quality of the cakes, meanwhile there was I, recognizing some cakes from known pastry chefs or old memes, I ended up assuming that 80% of posts, even the self-deprecating ones, were stolen content even if not immediately obvious. It took me a month to accept the fact that people lie on the internet.

I do not think that manny people in this one are lying, but still

>>4718773
everyone is capable of art, but this is the where the difference in IQ comes in.

>>4718893
yeah like 90% of the time these insane "progress" pics are people who say they only draw from reference which is great and all but if all you do is practice copying a picture, that's a whole other skillset being honed than drawing skill in general.

I think I'm outgrowing ic

>>4719024
kind of disingenuous considering women weren't even allowed to do anything of the nature lol

>>4719358
this is copied anyway...
why tf do you all care about shitty beg artist on reddit

>>4719433
>why tf do you all care about shitty beg artist on reddit
i'm like half convinced this person is friends with the artist and is trying to shill for them in the hopes of linking them this thread and saying "wow look at what people think of your work!", or coronavirus lockdown attracted a bunch of redditor retards who cant navigate 4chan or find the beg thread

>>4719452
Kek, I wish, I just posted her work because I was impressed and insecure when I saw it

>>4718773
>I have nothing to express and view my technical skill as my self worth.

kys, faggot

>>4719246
>no color, looking at cat
>color, looking at front

>>4719391
>>4719412
This is a traced or heavily referenced picture as evidenced by >>4719433
If she tried to draw this pose all on her ow nshe would fall the fuck apart
If she trried without a ref

>>4719391
>>4719412
This is a traced or heavily referenced picture as evidenced by >>4719433
If she tried to draw this pose all on her own she would fall the fuck apart If she without a ref

>>4718872
This. You have to take an oceans worth of salt with anything anybody says on the internet. Only progress pics I'll trust are from someone like Sinix who posted their oldest to newest sketchbooks or an educator like Feng Zhu showing off student gains.

>>4719953
yeah why would an educator want people to think he's really good at teaching people

>>4719954
At least he isn't a complete shill. If all he wanted to do with his channel was to promote his school he wouldn't have promoted self learning as an alternative to school people how to do it. I trust him more than plebbitors addicted to paid emojis and karma anyhow.

>>4719433
Ah I didn't realize that

>>4719307
>do all sorts of exercises normie artists never touch until theyre much farther along

Speaking as a /beg/, isn't that maybe a better approach though? If you reach a level where you can produce art that looks decently appealing to non-artists, it will probably help motivate you to stick with it and maybe eventually learn the fundamentals.

>>4719246
Cute coloring, but that face is 1:1 traced from a popular manga artist.

>>4718773
>>4718795
I.. don't see what you're talking about, pretty mediocre progress, much worse than what I see on ic progress threads.

>>4718830
>women are intrinsically better at creative endeavors
History says no.

>>4718773
>>4718815
Yeah maybe you guys should just do what you propose. If this makes you want to kill yourself, I can't imagine how you will handle actual life.

Follow a fucking good drawing book every fucking day and you'll fucking get from mediocre to less mediocre in 3 fucking months too.

>>4719412
>because low begs are actually unironically retarded and not only that but they are fucking arrogant
t. low beg

>>4721373
What book is that? Inb4: FWAP

>>4721683
How to Draw is pretty good.

>>4721683
Obviously, the only good book in existence. What else did you expect, the virgins Hampton and Huston?

>>4721691
>Robertson quantum physics-tier autism
Hard pass.

Anyone have that progression picture from that japanese artist on twitter. The first image was a touhou character with blue hair I think on paper, and the 2nd image was a digital image of I think another touhou character.

>>4718795
It looks like shit lad and the thing on the left is something you would see in 10 years of a devianart user progress meme

>>4718795
>this is supposed to be impressive
I'm being purely unbiased and objective here but this is the same type of skill just with a few highlights here and there and a different pose.

There is no way the average /ic/ anon is worse than this that they get demoralized by this type of thing.

>>4722273
Still better than half of /asg/ and that is being conservative.

>>4722285
/asg/ is a lost cause.

>>4720007
Again, I really don't want to sound rude, but are you ESL or something? I didn't say anywhere, ever, at all, zilch, zero, nada, negatory at any point in any of my posts that you shouldn't do what these artists are doing.

Do what the fuck you want. I don't care. I'm not your dad. I'm not going to tell you what to do. I'm just describing events, telling you what happened. This reddit artist grinded cloth and rendering studies and anime eye tutorials and neglected everything else. Is that good? Is that bad? I don't give a fuck. I got other things to worry about.

How do you read my post and interpret that to mean I am saying that's bad? It's not bad. It's not good. It just is. On /ic/, intermed artists here try to funnel newbie artists into a certain path of gesture and anatomy and perspective because you're going to do that eventually anyway. It's universally accepted that those are key fundamentals for making good art. Do you want to do something different? Okay. Do something different. I don't give a fuck. You'll get to the same point eventually anyways.

It doesn't matter. None of this matters. Keep drawing, that's what matters. I don't know what you want to hear. Art isn't rocket science. Draw and you get better at it. Lots of normie/tumblr/reddit artists reach passable levels of anatomy and perspective then grind out anime eye tutorials. If you look at the art in this thread and want to replicate it, then do that. I don't care. But if you want some sage advice I will say you're gay if you draw art in the hopes of appealing to non-artists. Draw what you want to draw, don't be another basic bitch soulless freak who draws for social media likes.

>>4719246
shitty edit on tumblr is all i could find, but yeah thats just a copy of Yamamori Mika's stuff

>>4722367
On the one hand, based, but also dude we get it you don't give a fuck jeez.

>>4721793
Pyw

>>4722273
I'd argue there's a decent skill gap for 6 months. The arm, face proportions, and skin tone are poor, sure. But it took me years to understand fabric at that level alone. Shading is dull but is mostly correct on placement. Hair is okay too disregarding the weird right side.

I just hope the hands aren't hidden for a reason. Best to start learning them as soon as possible.

I drew like a fucking fag 2 years ago

>>4722496
Anon, i'm really having a hard time telling if you're baiting or you're being completely serious
But anymore i say makes me feel like i might be crabbing on that person so i'll just leave it

>>4719246
>>4722432
wtf
shameless

>>4723086
it looks cool anon

>>4723165
ty fren

>>4723180
changed my mind, it sucks now, haha sorry

>>4723190
I know it sucks you fag ;d

>>4722367
>I didn't say anywhere
Did I accidentally send you a private message with my reply? It was a rhetorical question to spur discussion with anyone else passing by the thread you knob-head.

>several extra paragraphs
Take a break from the computer anon, it's summer after all.

>>4719246
I love you guys but when we have progress threads here on /ic/, the results are usually far worse and span across decades

>>4723343
People that drew 6h in 3 decades don't count though.

>>4723343
its traced tho >>4722432

>>4723086
you still do

>>4723356

Funny because /ic/ is happy to count them on Reddit.

>>4723434
Reddit deserves to get their reality crushed by us.

>>4723343
Two weeks of drawing

>>4723117
What makes you think I'm baiting?

>>4719035
Anyone can do it, but the reality is most of you won't.

>>4719035

Its more like tangent than actual progress. I know, because I used to do the same thing when I was a teen- using digital programs to over-render and colorise my art, when I had a very poor understanding of form and general anatomy.
It looks impressive to the untrained eye, because they still "see" with the symbols-drawing method she's reproducing. But as time goes on, and they (hopefully*****) improve, they'll realize that very little in this drawing makes any actual sense.

>>4723897
pyw

>>4718795
Wtf this improvement ain't even that much like can prolly take weeks if u practice perpectly

>>4724207
Post your fucking work
God this is so tiresome

>>4719060
Do you have a blog?

Most of those 'reddit epic improvements' are just people tracing a reference. That's all.

I'd be more impressed by a barque plate or a still life. The way you know someone's leaving his /beg/ness behind is with proper measuring, edge control and color mixing. Copying anime a bit better is not real improvement.

>>4723468
That sure is

>>4724220
>Most of those 'reddit epic improvements' are just people tracing a reference
or fake virtue signalling for internet points.

>>4718773
don't worry about what others accomplish or how fast they progress. you are in competition only with yourself. If you improve, great, if not, fix what prevents you from improving and improve.

>>4724220
> leaving his /beg/ness behind
> with proper measuring, edge control and color mixing

What is "/alt/"?
What is "drawing from imagination"?

>>4723190
that wasnt me!

>>4725625
He sounds like such a dunning krugger lmao. As if his bargue copies meant shit

>>4718795
Do you know why, Anon? It's because they're having fun and they actually love their artwork, and they actually enjoy the progress and not focused myopically on the goal. Look at how many people here are so depressed and either hate drawing or hate what they've drawn. I remember there was a video episode with Artgerm and he said ' no matter what love your art'.