/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4719292
A bunch of stuff, condensing into a feeling of hopelessness, i feel alone, the people i look up for/ care about arr all out of reach, i dont see a light under the tunnel, and i feel like the ride hasnt even started yet. Makes me really apathetic sometimes

really scared about a something that might happen in a few weeks and it's really getting me down and making me not wanna do art and idk what I'll do if it does happen. just trying to emotionally prepare myself for being okay with it if it does. damn

>I made art but nobody looks at it.
>It's because it's bad, git gud.
>Ok I got gud, is it gud now? Why is nobody looking at it?
>Yes, you are good but you're stubborn on stylistic quirks that make it weird.
>Ok I ironed out the stylistic quirks, why is nobody looking at it? Is it good now?
>It's good and there are no stylistic quirks but it looks boring because those quirks added personality to it.
>Ok I made it less boring but not too quirky, why is nobody looking at it? Am I missing something?
>It's good and appealing and I like it very much, you probably just have to draw fanart to draw attention.
>Ok I have drawn fanart of things I am a fan of, people don't care. What am I doing wrong?
>You have to draw fanart of something that is popular right now.
>Ok I have drawn some popular stuff I don't like very much but people don't like it very much because I don't like it myself, and they unfollow me when I draw my own art. What am I doing wrong?
>You are probably not networking enough, talk to other artists.
>Ok I talked to other artists but they only care about other people who have a following so it's a catch-22
>You probably have to draw fanart of trending things and stick to that for a few years while you also copy a more popular artist's style entirely and vocally support the trending political causes and tweet a lot about your life and act funny or interesting so people become your friends?
>What if I just want to make art I love so I can make my best work consistently?
>You have no passion, lazy NGMI.
This is the "look at them in the eye and give a firm handshake" of art, there are slackers sure but it's largely bullshit.

I can't sleep and it's making it really hard to practice when I'm so tired all the time. It doesn't matter how much I try I can never sleep, and then I see other people get 12+ hours by fucking accident when I do all these rituals and healthy diets and exercises all the time and never compromise on my sleep schedule only to wake up 4 hours after I go to sleep after already being up all night the previous night. Shit's unfair as fuck.

I'm worried about the influence of the SJW cult. Their doctrines are creeping more and more into my offline life. They own all the media in my country. I'm unsure whether I should try to call them out through my art. As a white male I'll be free game for all kinds of abuse if this trend continues for a decade or so.

Been putting too much of my self-worth in my follower count like a dumb bitch. Feeling bad about having no friends. The usual.

>Draw a lot
>Drawing keeps the anxiety away
>Pinky hurts from drawing too much
>Cant draw, can't type (w/ both hands), can't play video games
>Anxiety comes flooding in
>Can't defend against the anxiety with drawing or video games
>with my crippled hands, make post on /ic/ asking for help
>first anon calls me a bitch
>second anon calls me a faggot
took me 15 minutes to type this.

>>4719314
>You have no passion, lazy NGMI.
This is obviously a stupid thing for a detractor to say. If you only want to create the art you like, then you have more passion than someone who makes art for clicks and money.
Just get good at what you want to get good at. If you die with your work being unknown, take heart: it's hardly a unique end for an artist.
>>4719322
Call them out, challenge them. Art is a great vector to attack them from because the ability to create something appealing can be more swaying than good arguments. Don't bow to them, people have survived the sjw cult but NO ONE has survived apologizing to them

>>4719322
>I'm worried about the influence of the SJW cult.
there's no "SJW cult", you fucking schizo. just don't be a piece of shit and you're fine.

>>4719335
*haggus you* :3

>>4719355
I won't be able to continue art because the only job I will be able to take soon will be a several hours commute away to work in a shitty warehouse that will leave me with no strength to do anything but sleep. I'm unironically looking at suicide when that happens, if I can't do this I have no purpose in life.

>>4719363
>there's no "SJW cult", you fucking schizo. just don't be a piece of shit and you're fine.
hopefully this is supposed to be an ironic troll but you cant even joke around online anymore

having a dark sense of humor is not "being a piece of shit" and considering all the fucked up shit going on in the world its no surprise people would want to make light of it somehow with irony

>>4719353
Do some hand/wrist stretches man.

>>4719363
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FH2WeWgcSMk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0W9QbkX8Cs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vyBLCqyUes
Look at how these people operate and tell me how it's not cult behavior.

>>4719363
Shut up, traitor. If we don't get you, the circular firing squad will.
>>4719374
Move closer to your job or get a new job or yes, kys.

>>4719377
i heard you shouldn't stretch with tendonitis

>>4719394
Well you should probably ask a doctor about that then, this aint something you should put to the wayside because it'll just keep getting worse until suddenly you can't draw for even 30 minutes.

>>4719407
Yeah, for now I'm gonna stop drawing for a week (which is painful to think about), but I already couldn't draw for 15 minutes today without it hurting. I ended up using strings to wrap my pinky to my palm and have it not move, but now my wrist tendons are hurting. idk, I'm so stupid I can't even figure out how to hold a pencil right.

>>4719381
>Move closer to your job or get a new job or yes, kys.
I've burned every other opportunity, turned down other work to continue trying this and failing over and over for reasons that have nothing to do with art.
I haunt this board like a ghost until I finally decide to close this chapter. My life fucking sucked, of course it was too much to ask for a single good thing.

>>4719363
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/07/03/police-black-killings-homicide-rates-race-injustice-column/3235072001/

>>4719302
What might happen?

I’m stuck between wanting to have a rendered detailed image and one with broad strokes and gestures. I feel like I waste a lot of time painting.

I’m afraid of creating a twitter and losing work because of nutcases that might like my artwork

>>4719322
This.

I work with really sjw type people (fuck Silicon Valley) I feel like even without trying to be offensive there’s a new standard that’s considered “problematic” everyday. Like I’m already a minority but if my opinions don’t line up with theirs, I will get called out and I don’t know what to do. It’s already started with me and by simply saying “I don’t find it offensive when people ask where I am from.” I was told I am normalizing racism and making my race look bad... from an SJW who was also the same race. I later had the same crazies accuse me of being sexist because I hanged out with a dude at a party like a couple times who was apparently sexist to women. I stopped hanging out with him for other reasons, but holy shit, they care even about the friends or people you hang out with without even knowing your relationship with them????

My art apparently conforms to white people aesthetics and my women are fat phobic because I don’t draw fat women. I feel nervous to post or say anything because I feel like it’ll be used against me. At the same time, these business fucks know that the pretty women sells, but they will fire you at the drop of a hat as soon as some fat sjw fuck claims you were racist or if you sexually abused them.

>>4719460
jesus christ

I've been writing a story for fucking years. Planning to make a comic book. Did a work count today, I'm up to fucking 10,000 words. It's 22 pages long. Now I'm like... wtf this is impossible. I'm frozen. How in the fuck do you draw the first panel? How do you turn a sentence into an illustration? And I can't draw bodies. I only ever draw faces. I just ordered Michael Hampton's Figure Drawing book. Now I'm on an extremely steep learning curve. To learn to draw people, and how to illustrate a comic book, and this is the first story I ever wrote. wtf

Oh god I'm so ill prepared.

drawing

>>4719483
You're completely going about this in the wrong way. Instead of aiming to finish one passion project, aim to get skill. Start by writing tons and tons of short stories, just for the sake of writing. Draw lots of drawings, just for the sake of drawing.

>>4719353
don't force it just let it heal. also you should get pain from drawing, if you got is because you are doing something wrong. you need to find what is so it does not happen again
if you are drawing only for fun you could try drawing with the left hand. and you could play games that don't use both hands.

>>4719483
Thousands of people have made comic books, anon. Just practice drawing people and then practice making comics. Backgrounds can come later.

>>4719353
if a strained pinky is the only thing between separating you from overwhelming anxiety, you have bigger problems than finding a way to start drawing again

>>4719374
>several hours commute away to work
if it is in public transportation you can draw while you commute. don't you have off days/vacation? you could draw on those. also you might find a better job later on too.

>>4719292
I used to smoke weed and draw constantly. Mostly r34 stuff, but in an effort to improve myself and my life in general I have quit weed and drinking. Now I find drawing to be a trigger. I sit down to draw and have no inspiration. I dont crave weed anymore, but its undeniable that drawing doesnt feel the same. I try to draw random things, just sketch and doodle, but its almost like I get bored with it half way through.

>>4719559
People who give up weed oftentimes end up struggling to adapt to sober life. It's probably going to take a while of being sober to go back to feeling normal. You could always try legal/healthy vices, like caffeine or nicotine.

>>4719460
They are a REAL guilt by association crowd. It's fucking crazy how they will levy every fault from one person onto anyone else that talks to them for more than a minute.

>hitting art block during art fight whilst i have a few commissions to finish
fuck's sake why does this have to happen at the worst times. gonna plow through but i've had shit all motivation past few weeks

PLEASE GOD BRING BLOGS BACK I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO USE SOCIAL MEDIA TO SEE ART I LIKE NOR TO POST MY OWN ART SOCIAL MEDIA SUCKS THEY ALL SUCK EVERYONE KNOWS THAT IT SUCKS WHY PEOPLE KEEP USING WHEN YOU HAVE A BETTER ALTERNATIVE THAT ALREADY WORKS IT WORKED FINE SOCIAL MEDIA IS WORSE IN EVERY WAY AND STILL PEOPLE KEEP USING WHAT MORE NEED TO HAPPEN TO PEOPLE FINALLY DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT

>>4719570
Yeah I still smoke plenty of cigs. After a few months of being sober and getting nothing accomplished I decided to buy a beer, trying to relax and draw. Also I'm trying to move away from porn and draw more artistic non sexual stuff too, so that's probably another reason for my lack of inspiration. I am enthusiastic to draw, just lacking direction.

>>4719583
What stops you from starting one?

>>4719364
Thanks anon :3

Thinking about befriending an artist in my city who goes to the same college as me. I hope it works out. I would hate for him to turn out to be horrible.

>>4719598
I will, the main problem is that most artists does not have a blog and you can't follow them using rss feed, only with an account. even youtube basically already killed its feed, before you got all the public videos of a channel once you subscribe using feed, now you only get the last 20

>nobody artist hashtag to boost smaller artists going around twitter
>but anyone with up to 9k followers is "eligible" for it
>I haven't participated because my art isn't professional grade or even that great anyway
back to my grinding prison I guess

The pandemic has destroyed my motivation to work on art.

>>4719499
i just told you i already wrote the fucking behemoth. im not gonna throw it away. i took literally every idea i had for the last several YEARS including everything in my dream journal and compiled all of it into one single narrative.

At this point I would rather release it as a regular book with no pictures than throw it away and start over. I almost said novel but I just googled it and an average novel is 120,000 words. so I only have 1/12 the material to do that. which seems like an appropriate comic book length. It's just overly ambitious for someone who has never done one before.

>I'm 33 and I write at an 11th grade reading level.

>>4719641
>People bitching about having fewer than 10k followers
I have one (1). Love you, singular follower bro.

>>4719629
>>4719583
The main problem is that literally nobody will read your blog unless you link to it from... social media.

I'm learning to draw but my Loomis heads don't look 3D enough and I really need to improve quickly, such a small thing to get bothered about, I know, it's just an issue I haven't solved

>>4719656
social media is the worse place to promote your blog tho every social media bury posts with links leaving the site, unless you pay. google and other blogs will give you much more traffic than social media.

but what is your point? if artists had social media accounts and a blog I would be happy. And I do read the blogs of the artists that have one.

>classic set up, just a kid that loves expressing himself through art, had big dream of going pro as a concept artist for video games
>waning confidence in my skills around my first year of college plus growing depression from other factors made me throw in the towel
>never truly stopped because I'd always doodle something on scrap paper whenever it was available
>been mentally good recently and started trying digital art, humbly thinking I could just be a hobby artist to generate some auxiliary income
>got frustrated with myself during rendering/lineart practice
Been asking myself if I'm just torturing myself trying to recapture the magic.. I keep telling myself "it's a process, keep going, it's a grind," but it's hard. The millions of ideas and motivators I had when staring at a blank sketchbook page are gone.

>>4719292
I've been making art on and off for years, and I've gotten better at it, but it feels like the magic is gone. I don't have much passion for it anymore and my results are way too inconsistent. It doesn't help that I have other things I care about more and am more successful at, like playing my bass, programming, and lifting. Maybe I should give it up for a while.

Im sad that having a harmless time online, posting your art online and not looking to use it as some kind of vindictive tool is heavily frowned upon now.
I also miss the period of PCs being the main access to the internet and that artists online saw how great the communities were since they didnt have to deal with irl assholes. Most of us hung out online and posted our art to make friends and fans that hung out on the net for similar reasons.
Its depressing seeing these communities now though. You look back on them knowing the paranoia and fear hadnt set in yet, and that people were hoping the recession wouldnt have such a longterm effect. Lots of people even frowned on pornographic art, seeing it as a depraved means of attention and not the kind of brave, political tool its widely used for now. Even the art hoes were okay to talk to, and third-wave feminisn wasnt the main driving force to making any kind of following in these online art communities. Hell, even photography was garnered with a lot of novelty and respect, and nobody really anticpated in seeing the medium as purely a byproduct of excessive surveillance.
There definitely is a dip in internet quality. Smartphone access doesnt help it either..

>>4719714
I might have become part of the problem. I am way too jaded and cynical. I would avoid people that I would've befriended 10 years ago. I see everyone as a manipulative social climber. Part of it is true since the average normie is an asshole and I've talked with plenty of them who shared this mindset, but I'm likely throwing decent people in the bunch out of prejudice.
Also yeah the good old times but people are fine with it or you would have communities. It's not illegal to be outside of social media, people just want to be there because it's where everyone else is because FOMO > an actual community

>Yet another day of withering away in a job I hate, wishing I had time to practice, feeling miserable about the current state of art while everyone online just lives the dream, then I return to a cold room all alone dead tired just to rinse and repeat
Even if I dedicate myself fully during the weekends (If I get to have one) is not enough to achieve any kind of meaningful progress. I could ask myself where did everything went wrong but the truth is I never had a choice.

>>4719867
>while everyone online just lives the dream
That's what they want you to think. People online only show the best side of themselves

I'VE BEEN DRAWING THE SAME 4 COMMISSIONED DRAWINGS FOR MORE THAN TWO WEEKS ALREADY
I CAN'T ENJOY PLAYING VIDYA, WATCHING ANIME OR DRAWING OTHER STUFF BECAUSE OF THOSE 4 DRAWINGS
IT'S MY FIRST COMMISSION BUT IT'S SO GODDAMN BORING AND TECHNICAL I CAN'T FOCUS ANYTIME I TRY TO DO THEM.

It's a silent pressure on my heart, but this is so boooring. She gave me 4 photos, and three drawings she likes so I could draw the pics in that style.
Well, she didn't like the cartoony bridge I did, says it doesn't fit well with the rest so I should draw it like the house (which means a fuckton of hours in detail, careful coloring and thin lineart).
As for the map, she asked
>Is that finished? Showing me progress?
And I was like
>I was testing if you liked it that way, guess not. I'll add full color to it
But coloring that in a way that doesn't look cheap will be a fucking pain.

Maybe I'm being too whiny. At first I even told her I'd have it done in one week, because I know that my "raw power" was capable of doing all that in a single night. But I can't focus since the subject is boring and I dislike being tied down to the styles she gave me as references, I feel chained. If she didn't gave me any reference, I'd have done it however I saw fit without autistically trying to copy a style.
At any rate, I really really wanna go back to drawing my anime girls with lightning powers and bikes and magic

I'm so tired, man. I don't get it. What is inspiration supposed to feel like? Huh? When you're "inspired", what is that exactly? Is it supposed to be like getting images and pictures popping up in your mind that you want to draw? Or is it something else? Cause I never, ever get any pictures in my head that I want to put on paper. I don't even have aphantasia, I can visualize and imagine things just fine because I'm not fucking stupid, but I never know what the fuck I am supposed to be drawing. I don't get original ideas, hell - I'm willing to bet that most everyone else doesn't imagine a picture in their head, either, but you people have to have SOME idea beforehand, RIGHT??? You have SOME kind of, I don't know, at least a composition in your head, right? Or a subject matter, or a particular theme or feeling?? I know you people do, you've gotta. Why can't I have that? Why'd I get left out of the fun? I just wanna draw, man, I'm not even bad at it and even if I was I wouldn't care... but all I can do is draw imaginary people floating about in a void, sometimes with colors to spice it up. It's not interesting at all, and I hardly do it cause I want to... I just don't know what else to do, I don't care about anything at all, nowhere near enough to draw it on my own, but I wish I did. I just want to draw...

>get complimented all the time on here and art looks super amazing when drawing from life
>try to draw fanart from imagination or reference and it looks like extremely /beg/

Why do I keep tackling on more than I can chew? I keep thinking of art as some kind of mmorpg where I go from quest giver to quest giver, finish something but the other quest turns grey with less exp but very important that I do that quest or I can continue the story in that quest line that will get progressively difficult.

>>4719292
>been drawing since I was a kid
>kind of my thing
>older brother is a chad, good at literally everything he does whether it's poetry, video games, sports, music etc
>except art
>he always sucked at art
>few weeks ago
>he tells me he started takign art seriously
>look at his work
>he's already almost as good as me
Not really frustrated or upset, just kind of wondering how the fuck we have the same chromosomes yet he's like a greek god and I'm me

>>4719460
Yep. Personally I would argue with them and tell them why they're wrong and their ideology is shit, show them facts and when they won't read it just laugh at them for being stupid, and turn it around on them as they are often racist, bigoted, and whatever-phobic themselves. There's a reason I work freelance now and not in a studio environment. ;)

>>4719586
Read some books, draw things that inspire you from them. Whether it's a scene or a piece of technology or something, or a character you like. Books are really good for that shit.

>>4720125
I have the opposite issue, I'm very confident and happy when I draw from imagination but toady I did some plein air and it was straight up /beg/
I forgot how to paint

>>4720182
If you're a guy, you only really share the Y-chromosome with your brother, as for the rest, on average about 50%, so might be lower as well.
That being said, that's kinda sad man and you have my sympathies, though you probably wouldn't want them.

>>4719314
Don't give a single fuck what others say and just make what makes you happy. Art is putting your emotion on a canvas and others feeling those same emotions and seeing what you are trying to convey. Do what makes you happy and what looks good to you, not others, and people will adore your art.

Also try Instagram
>watered down social media so no political bullshit required
>artists follow other artists and encourage each other
>it doesnt matter how little you post your work as long as it is good and you use the right hashtags so others who like the same art style will find you
>best artists do not do fucking fan art and those are a rare sad group a niche group of people follow

>>4720181
I get you, I end up watching courses that tell me things I already knew, just in case.

>>4719292
>have really bad depression on and off worse right now thanks to social isolation
>SO agrees to getting a puppy after 5 years of me begging them to agree to get one
>say they will only agree if I clean our place top to bottom within 2 weeks
>after 2 weeks they praise me so I assume puppy is in my future
>they went back on their word and now say they didn't agree to get one but only said it takes us two weeks to get the place straightened up so we couldn't bring a dog into that environment
>I've owned dogs my entire life since young but I'm not responsible enough and it will make them sad to see them abused or I will not have time for them when my job is a fucking stay at home job so I'm hom all day, and I have 4 hobbies going simultaneously.
>sink into even deeper depression for few days

Now we are buying me a new Samsung g6 tablet because I guilt tripped them hard at least I have that going for me and I can do my digital art far better and easier.

>>4719353
Curcumin. Bodese is the best on the market. It's a tumeric extract that lubricates joints and helps inflammation. Its extremely powerful but a herbal remedy so it doesn't cost a fuck ton like prescriptions or have weird side effects. Also add tumeric to more meals. It goes great with eggs, cheese, chicken, cooked bitter vegetables.

T. Herbologist poorfag.

I was training my loomis and realized I suck. I hate being dependent on references. I think I'll start a new project to cheer myself up.

>>4720297
>>say they will only agree if I clean our place top to bottom within 2 weeks
the fuck? is this your lover or your father? If my girlfriend told me we can get a puppy but only if I do my chores I'd tell her to kick rocks and suck my balls.

>>4719292
>have on and off gay depression and anxiety problems
>growing distant from friends and people I care about due to me not being able to interact with anyone and being a sperg
>getting more and more pissed off and sad about not reaching my art goals or fucking up whatever I do
>trying to get /fit/ just so I can have an opportunity to join a shitty eastern euro army and have the slightest chance to get sent to a bumfuck desert to swallow dust and possibly get btfo'd
life is good I guess

>>4719649
Thanks, i love you too. Please keep drawing and never give up, i belive in you.

>>4720297
Please don't get a puppy as an emotional crutch, you're going to make it suffer. It will be a miserable soul and you will feel miserable for making it miserable. Unless you really care about having an animal that will constantly need your help and you're capable of cleaning up after it every single day, please do not get a pet.

>>4719320
I have the same problem, haven’t slept for 3 days

>>4719292
I don’t wanna talk about it.

>>4720283
>Don't give a single fuck what others say
The irony about this is that I really just want my work to be visible instead of throwing it into the void. I don't want to be famous or popular, I just want my art to reach someone who gives a damn. I don't even care about money. But this somehow reads as some sort of entitled, narcissistic wish, as if I were saying that other people's attention is mine by right. Then the same people tell me I should swallow my "ego" and just draw what people want to see or I don't "care enough about art" Wait, didn't you just tell me I should be the Alpha Chad who doesn't care about other people? Now if you pander to people for attention you don't have an ego? It's some weird doublethink and a lot of these talks feel so damn weird and frustrating.
>Art is putting your emotion on a canvas and others feeling those same emotions and seeing what you are trying to convey. Do what makes you happy and what looks good to you, not others, and people will adore your art.
But this is just not true. Nobody seems to care if you don't go through the entire checklist of what gets attention, and I would have liked to have known that beforehand instead of moving goalposts. The worst thing is getting positive feedback only on technical skill only as if what you drew were just loomis heads or photo studies.
At the same time some really vulgar or trite stuff get people all excited and they ignore everything wrong about skills. It's all so hypocritical and depressing. You're told things are this or that way but the truth is something else entirely.

>>4719292
Being in quarantine has made me totally stagnant. How am I supposed to find the motivation to practice fundamentals and/or the creativity to make a piece I enjoy? I would just doodle for fun, but instant gratification is already covered by anime and vidya, which is what I end up doing 24/7 nowadays. As of now I have no life, and thus no art to imitate it.

>>4720395
you have literally the whole internet and all the information and "life" at your fingertips. even your vidja and anime should inspire you. sounds like a big fat excuse not to do shit. come on anon get up and draw something

I don't understand perspective. I'm trying to draw the railroad from Perspective made easy and I just can't get it right.

>>4720497
show me what you've got. i will do what i can to help you.

>>4720297
you sound like a female. just get the fucking dog. your boyfriend will not leave you. if he does you could find a new boyfriend in like 20 minutes.

if you're a male and you are begging your girl to let you do anything and doing chores around the house, you should leave her and put on a dress and go get a boyfriend.

>>4720529
based

What do you do when you reach a plateau?

>>4720297
Wow I hope you're a chick cuz this would be pathetic even for the betaest of betas

Your bf isn't your owner, he can say he doesn't want a dog, but not like this what kind of stupid shit is this? Are you kept in a cage or something? Blink twice if you need us to call the police for you..
Here's what you do: go get the dog, and if he doesn't like it, he knows where the door is (or you can just gtfo if it's his place). Just make sure you actually take care of the dog, not just have one to have one
I'd kick out this person anyway, they sound like an absolute control freak

>>4720395
you need to practice discipline

>>4720602
take a break, do other things for a few days or a week and come back when my head's clear.

>>4719314
Get your quirk back
Forget fanart
Most of those twitter celebs with 10k followers work in the industry, and that's why anyone knows them
Fan art shitheads with relatively big followcount (like 5k+ or wtv) are pretty much doing the exact same thing and you could never really tell their work from the others'. It's 12 a dozen. Not sure selling your soul for that is worth it

In this field, the reward doesn't seem worth the struggle

>>4719322

What's even worse is that this whole sjw art shit is just horrendous. But we gotta call it art, because if you say a guy who thinks he's a woman smearing period blood he obtained from a public toilet's bin over canvas doesn't qualify for art, then you're transphobic and they'll go after you and won't stop till you're done
With that said, calling them out is needed, but you should keep your interests in mind too. I live in eastern europe and even here I can no longer do certain things if I want to stay in the industry, and that's only worse in any western country. You can go subtle and make smart references they can't easily call you out on

>>4720618
No, I'll just give up. This is just more years of bullshit adding to the pile and I'm sick of it. I'm tired of sacrificing everything to make art that is completely irrelevant to everyone but me while I see low effort drawings get attention because it's anime or porn or fanart. I'm just so fucking tired of being in this loser bubble. There isn't even the delusion that I'm leaving something for the future, because nobody will ever even see this shit.

>>4719363
kys nigger

>>4720602
you have to try something else. you'll burn out if you keep spinning your wheels.

i take an approach to drawing where i have no ego and no pride. i will tear up a drawing in a heartbeat and start over. i will also take anyone's advice or course or read anyone's book. And i will go into it without assuming anything about it.

if you have been using riley's figure drawing method, dump it and learn loomis' or hampton's or vilpu's or hustin's or whatever.

go watch a korean tutorial on youtube about drawing hyundais.

i think plateaus are the result of hubris.

>>4720072
holy jesus I hope this isn't me when I get my first commission
this is the bullet to bite anon, you don't get to draw what you want.
you aren't having enough fun with it, though, these are quite uninspired from the colours and marks you've made, were you showing your client the progress before adding colour? I'd rather show them decent line art than half-started colour
can I ask how you got this commission?

>>4720529
Based anon

>>4720645
Well that's one way to go indeed. Or you can get a job in the industry for example and 80% of your issues on this get solved
Only a very few artists have ever made it big on their own right

>>4720696
Don't take commissions you're not interested in or have no plans on pursuing that type of art. It's just a waste of time, be a specialist over a generalist.

>>4720710
idk about that when I can't afford rent otherwise man. i can either risk having someone waiting for me to confirm so I can wait for a better "commission" or I take my money and make it like they want
that's when I get my first commission that is

>>4720706
>Or you can get a job in the industry for example and 80% of your issues on this get solved
I doubt I could get hired in the industry because I hate the general aesthetics of it to begin with. It's just not something I see myself doing. My only chance was DIY in some way, I tried a few paths, none worked. I don't even know if I'll be able to build myself a life after wasting so much time.

>>4720718
there's more to the industry to what you're referring to, plenty of options to work with indie game devs, for example, who aim towards a unique look you can contribute to

>>4720721
Fuck man why do you try to get me back up and running, I know it will be a waste of time. Every time someone gives me this talk, I buy it, I delude myself that I have a chance, I'll set up a portfolio and after a year of discovering yet another side of the gay art world bullshit I'll be back here saying the same things except I'll feel a little worse and I'll be a little older. I cannot afford to keep trying and wasting time.

>>4719460
pyw

>>4720718
Didn't say go work for Disney
Industry includes a lot of things choices are almost endless and a lot of studios offer/encourage even remote work. Sure you'll have to do things that aren't your style but very few people are lucky enough to make a living from their hobby and only do what they feel like. But it'd give you the chance to do whatever you like in your free time and if they know your name from xy work related thing, they'll "magically" appear on your private accounts too. There's a reason big follow count artists are from the industry
Despite the popular delusion on this page, industry is not the devil. It's actually a quite helpful system if one knows how to take the most of it

I feel for the CSP meme, every good artists use PS
CSP lacks so many features holy shit
And now all my brushes that I'm used to are in csp

>>4720733
Just apply for jobs, sooner or later you'll score something

>>4720751
I don't want to be a big follower count artist... I just want to make basic money doing art I don't hate. I hate almost everything I see on ArtStation, I just don't like it at all. If I have to do something I hate as a job I might as well get an actual job.

>>4720774
Plenty of indie games with non generic AS art, most recent one I know being Hylics 2

>>4720774
Try indie studios, plenty fish in the sea

>If I have to do something I hate as a job I might as well get an actual job.
Most studios provide you with at least decent (if not good/best) equipment, you get to learn from others even thru projects that aren't very enjoyable for you, you make connections, meanwhile have a steady income

I mean sure you can fry burgers for a living but why do, if you have other options? It's not like you have to do it forever

>>4720761
CSP is not the reason your art is shit. You're just coping

>>4720817
Im not shit though, I'm just annoyed at not being able to use some features

>>4720813
>>4720793
>>4720769
How do I even find these indie companies? I don't even keep up to date with the game scene. I'm so goddamn low energy right now.

>>4719292
Trying to practice drawing from my shoulder more when doing warm-ups, but it manages to make my entire arm feel sore. So I end up having to take a break from fucking warm-ups.

Maybe I should start doing stretches before starting, I don't know.

>>4720855
You sure as fuck need to get your shit together.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_indie_game_developers
Not sure how up to date but it's really just a bit of googling from there on. You go to the studio's page, check if they have positions. Most places take open CV-s so you can just drop them yours and leave a link to your portfolio you can keep updated. Maybe they don't need your style of thing today but might need it tomorrow. Can't hurt, can it?

>>4720867
build up your muscles

>>4720873
I'm going to hate myself for this but thanks for the resource. Worst comes to worst it can't be as depressing as social media.

Can /ic/ stop fucking making twitter threads? My god. STOP IT.

>>4720901
What's there to lose? The upside of being depressed and giving up is that you really don't have much left to lose. So might as well just try random stuff. Forget social media. That's just for self validation, nobody makes it through social media. If you're not an entire beg with 0 skill and talent, you can score something and see where it takes you. You can always give up tomorrow, why do today?

>>4720911
sometimes i curse this website and other times i remember i'm here for the rare echo of comforting camaraderie and empathy

>>4720521
I don't really get how to angle my lines.

>>4720911
t-thanks anon

>>4720826
Not that guy but which features does CSP not have? I was thinking of making the switch from PS as well.

i hate the commodification of art

realism is only useful as an exercise and a complete waste of time to paint some random jew family a copy of a photograph

HELLO WE HAVE CAMERAS FOR A PURPOSE

>>4720990
PS was made for photo editing and most of it's featuers relate to image manipulation. CSP is for illustration. Even the default brushes are much better than those in PS. Imo the 3 big things are the story option, vector layer support and the generic support for manga/cartoon specs like speech bubbles, symmetry ruler, bleed/trim

>>4720957
If this is a1 point perspective drawing, the horizontal lines would be parallel to the horizon. Straight across from left to right. Basically what's going on in this picture would be that anything going in the front to back direction such as these rails points to a single point somewhere on the horizon. In real life things look bigger when they're closer. The sun looks tiny because it's far away, a ball gets bigger as it moves toward you. So eventually things get far enough away that they appear to your eye to be infinitely small. That's what the vanishing point is. So the rails can be pretty much anywhere below the horizon. And then have to point toward a single point on it. Lines going left to right should be flat parallel to the horizon. Does that make sense?

>>4720990
many advanced photo tricks that can carry the illustration on the final stage of polishing and obviously liquify the most broken thing

>anons call my art stiff multiple times
WHAT AM I DOING WRONG AHHHHHH

>>4721107
not enough gestures and understanding dynamic poses, probably

>>4720646
struck a nerve there, buddy?

>>4721107
you dont feel the form

>>4720909
But we all want 200k followers

Apparently I am a goddamn scumbag piece of shit for posting with the #nobodyartist tag yesterday. apparently if you have 1600 followers then you have officially made it and are special and privileged. And worth 10 replies of
Go fuck Yourself.

I always post in art share tags, somehow this one is too damn derisive and pisses people off.

>>4721147
Did someone really say that to you on Twitter? And that is bullshit if they did because the girl who started the tag had like 7-8k followers

>>4721147
>I always post in art share tags
And how are you not a goddamn scumbag piece of shit again?

>>4721142
I would be happy with just 500 nah fuck it, even 100.

>>4721147
Never ever ever take these losers seriously. People like that without fail have never accomplished anything and are trying to drag you down because they are not capable of improving. Laugh at them.

>>4721147
What, do you think these hashtags about "sharing the love" and helping unknown artists to succeed because they deserve it? No faggot, it's about free gibs, a zero sum game were you winning means other people lose out. Like >>4721170 said, you get what you deserve.

>>4721142
LOL I have 150. not 150k. Just 150.

>>4721147
Go Fuck Yourself

>>4721147
>Posts on shitter
>joins in tag games
>did it more than once

Yeah, go fuck yourself anon, You ARE a piece of shit and should feel bad for fucking bothering in this in the first place.

>>4719292
I wish all fujo cunts and gender-obsessed tumblrite artists would fuck off forever and never return

>>4721147
I hope you lost followers faggot.

>Alahu Aldoori made his male and female anatomy videos private
Good on him for making the right call on that one. I hope he makes it through these strange times alright.

>>4721147
I wonder who could be behind this post? You’d have to be a White guy living in a Box not to figure it out

>>4721147
Thats what you get for posting on twitter and actually not being female/trams/brown/pandemisexual you privileged cis asshole white devil. Tags are not for your kind and you fucking know it.

>>4721199
what is the problem? isnt the tag for people under 10k?

>>4721147
Tag shares are not for white males. Why the fuck do you join in something that is obviously not meant for you?

>>4721147
>#nobodyartist
What is this? A tag unknown artists use for twitter and insta? Can I use it?

>>4721206
No its for people with almost no following to gain some exposure. Faggots like that with their thousands of followers fuck it up for everyone since their higher level of interaction fucks the algorithm and buries anyone else who thought they might have a chance at being seen.

>>4721206
Posting under the tag is fine, but being buttblasted over Twitter is lulz

>>4721210
lmao, 1000 followers is still nothing. you faggots get in line and wait your fucking turn. remember, it's not about having other people see your art, what matters is that you enjoy yourself. :)

>>4721210
but 1k+ is nothing? the guy who started it said it is for artist who didnt reach the 10k milestone yet and he has like 9k followers

>>4721220
obviously, the whole point is starting a trend so you can boost your own numbers, so putting the cutoff-line just above your own followercount is the optimal strategy because it guarantees that you'll be at the top of the results for the hashtag.

>>4721147
>Woe is me, I only have thousands of followers....how could this happen to me?

Go fuck yourself faggot

>>4719292
I'm getting back into the swing of drawing more regularly, but I'm a little depressed by how much knowledge I lost.

I don't know...I just feel like I lost my grip in art, it's not that I forgot all of my fundies. But when I picked up a pen or anything to draw, the feeling's not there anymore and the emptiness just grew bigger and bigger every day.
I choose to study a different major that doesn't revolve around art because the art education scene in my country is very limited. Everyone seems to settle with being a designer because it's the only way to make money here using ''art''.
I always thought I could balance my time between art and uni work but sometimes uni work can be too much and I can't even draw properly.
Stuck with very basics sketches and never learn to draw anything new.
I'm lost...

>>4721147
Is whitebox competing with brian for most unlikeable personality?

>>4721275
link to the twitter drama pls?

1600 is nothing, the fuck are you guys on about

I want to delete my art Twitter and start over. I would just start over now but there's some idiots I know in real life following me and if I block/unblock they will bitch to no end about it
At the same time, it took a long fucking time to reach 2k

I feel into a hole where I wanted to just make art as soon as possible and been in a slump for months to the point I hated picking up the pencil. I realized only time I ever felt good about it is when I'm making dumb images and I can tell I'm having so much fun, I want to be able to draw good things too but I can't believe I forgot what made me like it in the first place, the laughs and smiles.
>>4721322
you should just make a secret alt

>>4720607
What's a good way to start?

>>4721322
So just follow them on the new account? What's the problem?

>>4721332
No the opposite, I don't want them to find me

>>4721330
>>4721340
If you care that much about who’s following you, why go on Twitter you absolute retard

>>4720401
Thanks anon u right. Maybe a slap in the face is all I needed.

>>4721343
why reply to me? I don't post shit on Twitter

>>4721344
good luck and try drawing something today, then it will be easier tomorrow and so on
I was addicted to acnh when it came out and didnt fucking work on my portfolio for 2 months, just played all damn day long. (still got in thankfully), so I know how hard it can be to get away from games and other kinds of entertaiment but once you start you will WANT to draw everyday instead of playing video games.

>>4721350
Meant>>4721322

Is there any point in trying to learn how to draw if you don't know why you want to do it or if you want to do it at all? Did someone here even managed to improve while feeling this way? Did the feeling ever go away?

The two cakes argument is flawed and bullshit. The sooner you accept this, the sooner you can move on with your life.

>open some mexican lolicon artist on pixiv
>last post is a link to his current youtube stream
>open it
>it's a fucking chad with a webcam
Holy based

>>4721460
It's only applies to some obscure characters. Nobody will eat a bad cake when there is a better variant

>>4721479
>yfw the lolichad memes are real

>>4721147
You know what? You shouldnt give a fuck. The people giving you shit for tagging you and your work like that are assholes looking for an opportunity to bully someone. You should enjoy the field of art in your own way, just like they do.
So stand your ground.
White is a colour, male is a gender and straight is an orientation. Boohoo if they say otherwise and try to shut you down. Theyre huge hypocrites and horseshoe bigots. Go and make some fucking epic artwork bro and have a good life.
Its what they dont want you to have and god damm do you deserve every bit of it.

>>4721627
where did it say that he is white, straight and male? you the same faggot whining in every thread trying to make this about yourself? faggot bitch snowflake

>>4721147

So basically there's a thread for people to vent and you gotta come and shit in the middle of it with some made up crap you aren't actually down over, but know will generate drama
Now take this nice cup of attention you were looking for and choke on it. Faggot. Cry to your twatter followers

I’m unable to draw bodies

It’s like I’m spongebob trying to get his license

>>4721644
what makes you think ticking any of those boxes will go down well with the kind of people trying to lynch him you stupid faggot?

>>4721673
Stop trying to be a victim you dumb fuck, you sound like a needy bitch. People bully you because you are a limp dick faggy kid, not because you are wyhite

i've gotten better at drawing the human body, but i just don't have any inspiration or creativity to use my new #skillz
even when i do come up with something to draw, it always comes out looking like shit, so i just give up. i wish i was autistic in a creative way, but i'm just autistic in a depressed loser way

>>4721479
who?

>>4721701
youve got tunnel vision in the brain and are ignoring the whole point of the comment. your (incorrect) takeaway from it waa thinking that the context of it was about the user being possibly white, straight and male, not on the idea that the artist was just doing what they do.

>>4720090
Because you're dead inside man. You are the true meaning of an NPC.

Not art related but my butt's all fucked up and that's a real downer.

>>4721727
the irony of this comment

>>4721720
haha found it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sgTHIm3If8

based

>>4721740
yeah, your reading comprehension is pretty bad. I would be shocked too. better educate yourself bigot.

>>4721738
Pro tip: use lots of lube next time

>>4721757
Hey I know the bullying at school makes you sad but you must be older than 18yrs of age to post here.

>>4721147
Can't wait to see this exact same shitstorm happen again tomorrow on portfolio day.

>>4721772
hey, I know you regret mutilating yourself but you should learn to chill out sometime. you might end up cutting yourself again.

>>4721816
Why are you still here? Chad from the football team needs his personal sissy cumdumpster, better get to it fag.

>>4721762
It's not that, I've had consistently fiery turds for such a long period of time that now my butt's starting to disintegrate.
I goddamn WISH I could still do anal bro.

I got laid off from my job last friday because of sars-cov-2.

>>4721871
this is the second time you've spoken about cock anon. better take it out of your mouth and check yourself out

>>4721927
the irony of your comments. Can you keep up, kid? Ask nicely and I ll stop bullying you.

>>4721947
nah, I can keep up. if anything, im just surprised you have a problem with an artist using the tags like theyre supposed to, and then getting triggered when I pointed out (loosely) that the same people complaing about their follower count would have a meltdown if said- artist wasnt a POC.
and your takeaway from all of it? a tirade about cocks, faggots, chads and sissycumdumping, which is kind of depraved and nonsensical. what goes on in your head to reach such a conclusion?
are you THAT pathetically sexual charged and uncontrolled in the mind? is that what you think about anytime you read a paragraph? damm dude. its pretty gay.

>>4721947
>>4721927
>>4721875
>>4721871
am I witnessing advanced roleplay techniques

>>4721982
>if anything, im just surprised you have a problem with an artist using the tags like they're supposed to
I don't have a problem with that.
I have a problem with you throwing a bitchy unrelated fit about your imaginary victimhood disguised as life advice.
>>4721927
Where did you see cock in >>4721871? Oh right it's in your head.

>senpai praised me

>>4721919
I'm sorry, anon. I had the same happen to me. If it makes you feel any better, you're in the same boat as a lot of good, smart people, and you know you lost your job because of something out of your control, not due to incompetence. Spruce up the ol' resume, apply, and don't get discouraged if you don't hear anything back. It's a bit of a hellscape out in the job market right now, but it'll get normal eventually.

>tfw no /ic/ gf to practice with
>tfw she will never encourage you and tell you to stop chicken scratching and have more confidence in your lines
>tfw she will never tell you "i won't improve until you do" and set aside all her books, tablet, art supplies to help you learn to draw loomis's blooks even tho she is making sick art gains
>tfw you will never get to tease her about her deviantart phase as a teen when she drew wolfboys, hetalia OCs and RP characters
FUCK THIS SHIT IM OUT, WHY EVEN LIVE

I spent a week learning 3d and cinema4d and oh my god I wish i learned this earlier. I'm an animator primarily and man I can whip up models for tech and shit, and then animate it/fracture/whatever, then draw over it in my animations. No more setting up perspective to do a complex object falling in space and drawing hours upon end to get the angle right.

>>4722083
You have no idea how fucking annoying artsy girls and "art girlfriends" are. Considering that right now they would automatically have more followers than you, it would be a nightmare.
Stay away from artsy girls.

>>4722083
Aww, I can be your gf <3 It will cost you 10$/h :* Do u wanna me be like a big mean girl or a tiny shy girl? :3

>Don't feel like drawing anymore today
>Instead just feeling stressed about wasting potential learning time

>tfg no art gf to get naked and use each other as models for anatomy studies and once we finish have wild sex on the floor

It's so fucking hard. I wanna die so badly. All these suicidal and depressive thoughts are fucking with my mind more frequently. I keep having nightmares of shit that i regret in the past that i either have no control or control of.
I want this shit to stop. Now i can't fucking draw because of it. I'm getting more anxious and paranoid everyday i go outside. I feel so weak i feel like everyone hates me and views me as a failure. Everything seems so shitty and i can't stop crying.
I can't let these thoughts prevent me from making it. My desire/passion to draw shouldn't be fucking damaged because of this.
I got shots today and both of my fucking arms hurt like hell. I can barely move them and it hurts like a bitch but i still drew anyway.
Starting tomorrow i'm gonna start scheduling a visit with a mental health professionalist or some shit and get my sleep schedule back on track.
Drawing is the only thing i have in my life and i don't want it to be rekt from some fucking stupid ass suicidal thoughts.

>>4722362
>Yogurt

>>4722362

"Cranberry" it is, then.

>>4722362

>>4722362
>Aww, he's adorable! what's his name?
>Ass

>>4719704
hey man, if you want to continue doing this art thing then thats fine. If you dont want to continue it and just find another hobby thatll make you happy, thats fine too.

I was in the same boat - stopped in highschool due to external stuff, doodled for a while and been getting back into it for a year now. Ive had like 2 breaks since 2019 that made me think that I wasnt going to do art again, but I just needed to take a break and organically remember how much I liked drawing.

Staring at that blank tablet sucks, and I found just by doing any type of drawing exercise helped me immensely keep my motivation and discipline in drawing. Like the 250 draw-a-box challenge lets you draw and warm up but not really think about what youre drawing, so you can think of something to draw while you draw.

Maybe in the end, you wont like drawing and it was just a phase in your life, whatever man, youll find something else to keep your time, so dont sweat about the little details right now.

I'm never going to improve as long as I remain in this mental state, I can't even just draw anymore I lost the little creativity I had years ago, fuck me,

>>4722362
then he is called Oreo!

>>4719292
there's to many things i want to draw that i end up unable to focus on anything

>>4722362
Tsukune

>>4719292
Newsom closed the Gyms how the fuck are we supposed to get swolle now and achieve the lolichad status?

>used to be popular on Tumblr when i was like 16
>started off pretending to be a girl because I figured it would help me get clout
>it did
>pea sized teenager brain eventually confused the attention with "well it feels good to do this, so maybe I'm suppose to be a girl"
>decide that i am now transgender
>flirt with all the popular artists and gain more clout
>confide in some other artists that I'm in fact not a girl but feel like i may be trans
>instantly cancelled and shunned from the community

>25 years old now and not retarded anymore (hopefully)
>decide maybe I can do art again
>make a twitter under a new alias, and never talk to any one or participate in any community while also completely changing my art style
>gradually build up a following again
>popular artists find out who i am through stalking or some shit
>continue to try and cancel me
I literally cant win. Its not like im almost fucking 30 years old now and obviously havent learned from past mistakes. How dare i have been a sexually confused teenager. The grooming definitely didnt fucking help.

>>4722470
its 2020 anon
you can reverse cancel them for being transphobic and denying your struggle as a sexually confused teen
:)

>>4722540
I try to keep to myself and not say anything so id rather not. If I REALLY wanted to I could cancel them for knowingly trying to have sex with a 16 year old. But I don't want to start anything

>realize that you have little to no fundies
>cry

>>4722578
Keep it up anon I can't draw a perfect circle or a box in perspective even after 10 tries but through trial and error I can draw anatomically correct hand just by observing

>>4722542
Bro if you have that on them... you hella would be able to cancel em. Idk if I’d bring that up to them to make it them back off. It might be nice to keep it in the back pocket.

I sound just like a cancel person shit

>a fucking porn retweeting account has 5x of your followers

my webcomic that i've been doing for over a year has less views than someone who just started

>>4722669
>I sound just like a cancel person shit
Exactly. I dont want to be one of those people, and try my best to be better than that, and them. A part of me keeps trying to tell myself to not stoop to their level and they'll get whats coming to them or whatever, but so far I'm still the bad guy. Ive at least noticed one of them is mentally unstable and recently went fucking insane on twitter because I guess /ic/ or some other board talked shit about him or something

>>4722698
>went fucking insane on twitter because I guess /ic/ or some other board talked shit about him or something
sounds like cubesona

>>4719292
Twitter Communists should be profiled by the US governemnt already and sent to super max prisons already.

Pretty sure those people can do more damage than random niggers on the streets

>>4722740
I'd confirm that but i know people lurk this board. I genuinely want to be on good terms, not because i want to be friends again but because im sick of getting instantly blocked by friends with literally zero reason given because this dude gossips like a teenager.

>>4722779
sorry to hear that anon. If nothing else works you could just do the callout thing but yeah. I dont understand people who hold gurdges something a 16 year old did for 5+ years, especially teenagers change a lot over time. this is dumb.

I'm now just realizing how much I'm paying in subscriptions that it's probably up to $100/month for things I barely use.

>>4722787
I don't either. Ive literally had to go through people's dms and actually apologize for thinking I was transgender (ironic given these artists absolutely love to virtue signal trans). Ive always been the one who had to do the explaining and apologizing, never the "friend" who instantly blocks me who believes whatever hes told without coming to me first to ask about it. I guarantee you this dude and others are in their 30s yet cant be fucking adults and just either talk to me about it, or remove myself rent free from their minds. I'm not part of their discord drama, i dont talk to any one. Yet the second a popular artist follows me or retweets my shit this dude runs to discord and begs them to block me. I want out man.

>>4719460
>Silicon Valley
That place lives on a planet of its own. I work in tourism, we often have people from there, every time I talk with them they seem to live on the clouds, and have no idea how the world of poor-middle class people really works.

I tried my fucking best I tried fuck I'm going crazy aaaaahhhhhhhh I tried I tried I tried I tried I tried I try my hardest and I lose people I try I don't get it I try tried I tried I tried I tried I give up I will never understand

My joint damage is so bad even typing this is painful. I haven't drawn in a while. Makes me feel bad when I see stuff like "keep practicing"

I'm gonna go full fanart anime waifus.

my attention span is so ridiculously small I draw 5 lines and get distracted and do something else for 1 hour before realising what I was initially supposed to be doing and then I go back to it. Rinse and repeat. I’m doing it now

>>4720696
Oh yes, about that. I was lucky enough that a college teacher I have on Facebook decided to recommend me to her friend that needs someone to draw stuff for marketing campaigns.
Said friend asked me if I could help her draw those photos in these styles (didn't say which one exactly I guess she let me choose).
I said I'll answer her in 2 days and so I drew the guy pointing with the finger in a single day. Told to myself
>Yeah this is free money, I'll take it
But doing the rest has been pretty uninspired on my part.
Mind you it looks that way because these styles are minimalistic I think, it limits my quality. Huh. That reminds me why I'm charging her 50 dollars. The first time I saw the styles I thought
>These were made by actual professionals wtf
I dunno why I started thinking it's easy. She told me she wanted to see progress but I don't think it's worth showing until it's colored. These are too simplistic, without the color there's nothing for her to know if she likes it or not.

there are no threads to post drawings on this art board
it's literally all twitter drama now

>>4723216
There's the ALT thread but I get the feeling my drawings are wasted there, it's an absurdly slow thread considering fictional drawings go there

I have a shitty eye disease that will continue to worsen until I can afford the surgery to halt its progression (but won’t give me 100% ever). I have special hard lenses to wear that cover 90% of my visible eye and are quite uncomfortable and while they improve my vision by a shocking amount I can’t wear them all day. When I put them on I feel like I’m on a timer to get as much drawing done as possible because I’ll eventually get fatigued and need to remove them. So if I spend all day doing jack shit I feel awful because I wasted precious limited time.

>>4723136
Practice meditation, lay off stimulants if you're consuming a lot of caffeine and such. It's not a meme.

>>4723198
How long did those take you anon? You seem like you're either blowing the tedium very much out of proportion or you're just really slow to finish those pieces.
These look like they would't take very long to execute especially with photo reference, maybe 2 hours at most, double for the detailed city piece

>August 2019
>"This is the year, I'm finally gonna learn how to draw"
>give up

>March 2020
>"I'm going to do it, for real this time!"
>give up again

>June 2020
>"I really mean it this time!"
>forget to keep drawing

How the fuck do you do it when the last time you drew was in 5th grade? All this work for beginners seems so soul crushing. I don't want to have to draw circles and squares for months until I can draw something I don't totally hate.

>parents tell me to put my mask on at all times when outside
>bring up some infowars tier conspiracy for a brief moment to sort of redpill them or get them to think just a little bit JUST to shake the fabric of the universe
>it's too much for their brains and they call me crazy, say "you kids don't watch the news"
>attempt to bring up just a little bit more to my dad in private
>says I never knew I had a crazy son

Why do I even bother. It's just best to let normal people live in their bubble.

>>4723423
Have you considered taking lessons? Having a teacher and a schedule will force you to get things done. Find an art school that'll teach technical skills.

>>4723423
Also drawing cirlces and squares is a fucking meme. Nobody seriously did this for more than an hour when learning. Just draw what you want to draw. If you like a piece just copy it.

>>4719292
>create thread about webtoons on /ic/
>spent good time to research
>provide sources and information
>provide questions to discuss
>thread immediately gets deleted
>meanwhile vent/gossip/meme threads still up

Just... why?

>>4723423
This is me but for about 10 years of which half of that was an attempt to "get serious".

>>4723478
make a pastebin of your OP and post it here, I'll bookmark it and use it for making similar threads.

>>4723478
I like those threads but it might be because /co/ has a general about making webcomics

>Try to draw stiff character
>Pose somehow comes out too fluid

>Try to draw character making a fluid motion
>Pose is too stiff

>>4723528
yes, but they have a different focus, and by that logic our resident porn creation general should be exiled to /aco/

>>4723440
I'd like too, but you know, coronavirus.

>>4723267
idk man but you sound like a fucking trooper, gonna remember you every time i try to convince myself i wont make it because of chronic pan or some other dome reason. just the fact that youre pushing through while your eye is degenerating or whatever the fuck means youre probably gonna make it

>>4720297
>>have really bad depression on and off worse right now thanks to social isolation
Faggot
>>SO agrees to getting a puppy after 5 years of me begging them to agree to get one
Faggot
>>say they will only agree if I clean our place top to bottom within 2 weeks
Faggot
>>after 2 weeks they praise me so I assume puppy is in my future
Faggot
>>they went back on their word and now say they didn't agree to get one but only said it takes us two weeks to get the place straightened up so we couldn't bring a dog into that environment
Faggot
>>I've owned dogs my entire life since young but I'm not responsible enough and it will make them sad to see them abused or I will not have time for them when my job is a fucking stay at home job so I'm hom all day, and I have 4 hobbies going simultaneously.
Faggot
>>sink into even deeper depression for few days
Faggot
>Now we are buying me a new Samsung g6 tablet because I guilt tripped them hard at least I have that going for me and I can do my digital art far better and easier.
Faggot

>>4723439
just wear the mask retard

>>4723851
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>4722542
dude this isn't even "starting shit", they are actively using your past to try and fuck with you and if you give a shit about having a following that's what you have to do to defend that right

>>4722740
Which board was shit talking cubesona? I haven’t seen any of that on /ic/.

>>4720297
this is bad if youre a girl, this is appalling if youre a dude. stop acting like a spoiled fucking child and blaming it on MuH DePREsSsION t. depressed for 10 years. deal with it

>>4723979
/trash/ in the artist/commission thread
imo it wasnt even a big deal but he was really upset on twitter

https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/31208551#31258076

Does anyone else think they’re missing something in their art? Like their characters look dead and you can’t seem to grasp making a piece look ‘cool’?

>>4723439

>>4724025
lmao why does cubesona browse /trash/

>>4724098
He lurks in 4chan like most people do, especially artist like him.

>>4719314
>>What if I just want to make art I love so I can make my best work consistently?
then why aren't you? why do you give a fuck about followers?

>>4722686
Put a blatant cheesecake/beefcake character. I literally got a huge view boost by adding one in my webcomic

>>4721124
Obviously not, he called you a nigger and didn't even bother writing a 12 page essay about his personal feelings

>>4722470
how can they even try to cancel you? like "he used to pretend to be a girl, lets not follow him" who would listen to this?

>>4722897
if you really tried your best I will allow you to give up, but just this once!

>first attempt at a class assignment goes well
>automatically assume it was a fluke and that the second attempt won't be as good
>just by thinking this I make it true

Sometimes I wonder if my addiction to being spoiled by modern comforts has damage my soul

>>4724955
Yes, try living as a monk for a month. It's enlightening.

>>4724305
>>4719374

>>4722971
>even typing this is painful
stop typing, you are just doing more damage.

if it is temporary go work on you theoretical skills. if it is permanent go learn to draw with the other hand, or with feet or mouth.

>>4723216
>>4722987

>>4723814
Thanks bro. I drew for months while waiting to get the lenses (had to wait because corona shut everything down) and while I’m sad sometimes about it I’m just happy that I can see better now and my art has improved since I can see stuff much more clearly. You’re gonna make it too, it’s all about finding the drive to do what you like even if you have chronic problems and there’s always people way worse off with shit like no arms who paint amazing works so I like to think persevering is always possible

>>4723267
>anon has all the excuses, still try
>me has no excuses, doesn't even try

now I feel even worse for have wasted my time.

>>4724936
Every one apparently. You can actually search my name on twitter and find a post from a popular artist literally saying "terrible person who pretended to be a girl and flirted with other artists". I swear the internet has absolutely fucking deluded these people's minds. They stay home all day circlejerking with their discord groups just looking for the next e-drama to latch onto. I specifically left the internet for 7 years because these people were actively stalking 4chan posts I would make. I would post on some far off board like fucking /tg/, with posts that had zero connection to who i was other than the fact that I used reaction images with filenames you can search up I guess. Some one ACTUALLY made a "callout" post about me years ago while I took a 7 year hiatus (keep in mind this was probably 5 years after i had pretended to be a girl) basically saying "ive kept quiet about this for too long :'(" and made some 50 paragraph essay about how I thought i was a girl and stretched it out to make some bizarre tldr. It wasnt until I came back that I messaged them and told them it could be seen as transphobic that they deleted it. It was too late at that point though and the damage was done. People in this community will absolutely take whatever they can to stab you in the back just so they can get ahead of you.

>>4725123
what kind of a mess have you gotten into, anon

Instagram is so annoying. How come reposts of art get way more engagement than the original art? My primary niche has been taken over by Indonesians and it's so frustrating

I've been making fast and complex commissions, even a 2 page comic to get enough money for my cat's treatment. Im really burned out and can't find nor the time or motivation to draw something for my portfolio

>>4725132
The mistake of joining a community filled with e-fame obsessed 30 yo man children incels who will stop at nothing to cancel others to feed off drama.

As a /beg/ it feels so daunting just thinking about all of the things there are to learn. Shit I still can hardly even control my hand/arm. I understand everyone goes through this in every field but it's still hard to wrap my mind around all of these different concepts and the time investment required.

>>4725146
if you're a self teaching /beg/ and not in art school. Focus on one subject at a time.
Figures study, gesture, form and anatomy are within the same field of subject.
Painting, color theory and render are another separate file of subject.
pick one group and focus on them slowly then pick up another subject on the side to work on the weekend after you got through at least half way of the first subject. you'll enjoy it more that way, learning everything all at once is just draining all of your studies down the drain.

>>4719292
I lost what little confidence I had and now I don't feel I'm capable enough to draw even the simplest thing

My art feels boring. Not that I’m bored of drawing or anything, but something about it just doesn’t stand out to me when I compare it to other artists and I’m not really sure what I’m missing.

>>4725146
When I was starting off, I just looked up some basic construction techniques and then drew shit I enjoyed. Obviously it would look like trash so I’d look up tutorials or references on parts I needed to improve and work my way up from there. I will say a lot of drawing boils down to placing simple 3d forms in space but I feel like for most beginners that advice is meaningless until they actually start putting pen to paper and seeing it for themselves. >>4725159 has good advice too with focusing on one subject at a time, don’t overwhelm yourself with everything at once.

>>4725159
>>4725169
Yeah I'm having trouble actually structuring my studies. It's so easy to go on youtube and look up some 5-minute Perspective for Beginners video, but waking up each day and making yourself do what you did yesterday for several months in a row is harder. I only started a month ago, so I think I'm gonna try to focus on basic shapes and form for now.

>>4719292
The art community, it's so unpleasent.
Sometimes i wonder why i didn't choose to become a rocket engineer or something.

>>4719714
>I also miss the period of PCs being the main access to the internet
Same here.
Mobile focused web design is absolute cancer.

>>4725202
What do you enjoy drawing? Or what do you want to learn to draw? I think answering that question can give you an idea of where to focus your studies.

>doing gestures in prepartion for coomer commission
>this guy appears again for the nth time

>>4723267
You can't draw all day anyway without injuring your wrist so naturally you wouldn't be able to draw all day anyway.

>Be waiting for the bus after soul crushing job on a shithole for 16 hours yet again
>Check twitter
>All the great amazing artists just had a full day of drawing finishing a lot of awesome art and they just keep getting better and better
>I barely have energy left to get back home, have a few hours of sleep and then go back to work
How the fuck am I gonna ever catch up 10 years late if I don't even have time to draw.

>>4725268
Energy drinks and coffee

>>4723267
I feel you man having shit eyes is an absolute fucking curse. Severe color blindness makes my art look like dogshit and im already almost blind to begin with.

>>4725268
change your job

Whitebox here. Nobody has ever brought up their issue with art tags with me, privately or publically. While I'd love to build upon my following, a dedicated following who consistently purchase your work is better than a large follower count paying you with likes and exposure. What matters is your ability to build a connection with your supporters, not petty scores.

Don't be like this anon here >>4721147 looking for an axe to grind.

>>4725268
Carry a sketch pad my dude

Since I have no private room yet "Our" computer is in the living room and I can't focus drawing while my family looks at my illustration which is still shit

>>4725202
You don't want 10 min YT tutorials. You want a method >>4707139

algorithms, networking, recovering from being in a cult

>>4724961
>>4719381

>>4725226
I want to make digital paintings, but I want to paint cute anime girls in the style of digital impressionism

If I don't leave this place I'll end up killing myself. I can't stand the constant ugly shit that gets posted here, I'm so fucking sick that art today is so fucking disgusting and so many people draw this shit and love it and celebrate it and pay for it more than they would for anything else, and it's all becoming normalized. What the fuck of a hellscape timeline is this? Jesus fucking Christ, why are people so goddamn ugly and disgusting inside.
I'm so fucking tired of the world and people and how fucking ugly and horrible and corrupt everything is. Even the things that people looked up to as some kind of beacon of hope are now covered in shit. Fuck "irony" and depravity and "hurrrr no fun allowed" it's always been serious, nothing in this life is not serious.

>>4725557
I would say focus on anatomy and figure drawing, as well as things that fall under that umbrella then. Don’t get too married to one approach or book of drawing, Loomis, Vilppu, Hampton, or anyone else could have the answers you are looking for, but what’s important is that you try to apply them to your practice. Keep in mind this is not a one size fits all approach - I’ve heard of /beg/s jump right into drawing humans, get frustrated, and give up. But personally if I’d just ground out boxes and fundies I probably woulda straight up quit. Again this isn’t a hard set guide, just a suggestion about where to get started

Yikes I was about to dox myself in another thread. Good thing I had coffee.

>>4725660
Thanks anon. I'll keep it in mind but right now I do want to focus on fundies

>>4725123

where did you find such autistic bunch?!

>Every one apparently
do your followers care? I cant imagine the big public caring about this.

I'm giving art another try, as I have been doing for the past decade. Crazy to think about where I could have been if I hadn't dropped it any of the past four or so times. I still worry that the same problem will claim me again, that I hit a rough patch and suddenly start to wonder why I even want to draw, do I even enjoy doing anything in life? I just want a craft to devote myself to but I hate being a beginner.

>>4725268
This is the real reason most adults can't get good at art. You should have started drawing a decade ago

>>4725368
Have you tried working with limited color palettes? Things like the Zorn palette or samples on colorpod. Maybe by limiting your options you can get more mileage out of your art since you’ll start with colors that work well together and look appealing no matter how they are used.

>>4725204
I really dont like hanging around the art community either. Its really hard to find people within it who wont try to stab you in the back or leave you in the dark during a lynch. Seems like every artist Ive come across is like this. Worse yet, nearly everyone is some kind of narcissist. And it feels like the concept of fun loses its meaning the longer you stay in it.

I'm getting praised in a specific fandom and that's driving me mad for some reason.

Sometimes I want to draw nsfw stuff but my family thinks it's weird to close my bedroom door during the day so I end up just saving pics/videos and masturbate at night

>>4719645
Trust me you are better off releasing this as a short story and then, maybe, years down the line once you've got some clout working alongside a comic artist to adapt it. You are underestimating how hard even a short comic is to make.

>Going through Micheal Hampton's figure drawing book
>Everything seems to be going well with me feeling like I'm doing a decent job understanding things
>Get to the section on arms
>Suddenly feel a little overwhelmed by the sudden large numbers of muscles being thrown at me at once.

>>4724966
>Feet

IDK how though on a tablet though. Tried mouth and uhh I threw up. But I see a doctor next month. Maybe I can tape the pen/stylus thing to my splints and do gestures and not compare myself to others. Going to see if I can get a Cortisone shot.
(On painkillers right now and for when I write project and drawing ideas I use speech to text)

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I DON'T THINK I HAVE MUCH LEFT TO LIVE I NEED TO SUDDENDLY GET AMAZING AT DRAWING AS A /BEG/ I NEED TO GET MY IDEAS OUT THERE AT THE VERY LEAST
I feel like as if Jdilla only got to learn music while he was on the hospital
ANONS WHAT CAN I DO ITS LIKE OVERCLOCKING BUT IM NOT OVERCLOCKING ENOUGH

>>4722032
thanks pal <: )

>>4727036

I see a girl once that she wrapped a strip of cloth around her stylus to thicken it up then she hold it with a hammer grip so it wouldn't hurt. but I don't think her condition was that severe tho

>>4725135
>How come reposts of art get way more engagement than the original art?
why wouldn't it?

>watch guy this morning throwing away books by leaving them on top of a shelf near the dumpster in a "take me, I'm free" fashion"
>ww2 photobook, book on 10,000 foods, think and grow rich

One mans trash another mans treasure holy shit

>>4725141
>my cat's treatment
make a go fund me, reddit might eat this shit up!

>>4725511
do you have a sketchbook? you can have some big gains with it.

>>4725683
>dox
ah! my biggest fear!

>>4719292
I didnt update my Krita since 2018, So I decided to updated it now since my krita was acting up yesterday, now I noticed a lot of big changes that I cant do anymore, I am a traditional artist, I ink my drawing and than scanned them to color digitally, with this new krita update i am having a very difficult time figuring out how i use the bucket tool to just fill in something thats has no open lines in a layer.

Another ting i want to vent about is my frustration with getting more followers lately ive been comparing myself to artist’s followers and it makes me frustrated how they got that much of amount, like how did they do it ? I draw as much an the next person how much I dont have I dont have more followers? I even made fan art in hopes of gaing New followers and That didnt give not ONE follower, I even started to think that Im not as good of a cartoonist, but i am and its just all in my head, Im trying to rebrand myself on instagram and Twitter of hopes of gaining a bigger following and i also want to take a break from social media aswell, I go on Social media to look at cool art and post some art n comics not get jealous of angry cause some body has more followers than me, doing things like that will just make turn to a very unhappy person.