/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

How do I get commissions without holing myself up into a specifc style or brand? I want to draw whatever I want

>>4678419
You can draw whatever you want in your free time. When someone I paying you you have to draw in the style they want or the style you advertise. It's shitty but that's just how it is

>>4678419
>without holing myself up into a specifc style or brand
Just refuse commissions you don't wanna do them. What exactly is the question here?

is fiverr worth it?

>>4678868
No. You'll get beat out by cheaper shittier artists every time.

>>4678419
Honestly keep drawing whatever you want, you will attract an audience that wants to see more of that

This is why I advise against people diving deep down the fetish hole just to make money. Eventually you’ll get tired of drawing diapers/scat/whatever but your audience will largely be composed of people who want to see more of that

>>4678868
If you wanna do 1-5$ commission a day for pajeet then yes

>>4678868
Lmao why do you retards keep asking about that shitty cheap ass website. Get some self respect and sell your art for more

>>4678868
Have some self respect for yourself, jesus christ.

>>4678868
only if you can shit out a traced painting in less than half an hour and sell it for 5$. if it takes an hour or more for you to trace a picture then it's not worth it

>>4678401
Why do commissions at all? My idea is to do it like they do in Japan; forgo commissions for doujinshi (self published works) like art books and other merch, and do freelance work for companies.

>>4678977
Theres always a weeb delusional loony, kek

>>4678977
Yeah Nigger, because drawing lolis fucking each other won't get you #cancelled and blacklisted in the western world.

>>4678977
doesn't that really depend on what country you live in? I'm living in the north and I can't image how much money it would take to print even a simple soft cover book and ship it to other continents if that's where most of my audience would be

>>4678977
Fucking weebs are at it again.

>>4678981
>>4678991
Why are you getting so triggered that someone wants to preserve their self respect instead of whoring out their skills drawing furry vore porn for $25?
>>4678990
I honestly don’t know much about costs, I’m just throwing around ideas. I guess they’d be made more expensive to compensate? Or you might get a discount for printing in bulk.
>>4678988
My audience obviously wouldn’t be the people who care about things like that.

>>4678868
Don't listen to all the clowns. Fiverr is quick and fairly convenient at helping you to get some experience in the online freelance field. Money-wise it's not the best, but you can ask way more than 5 bucks if you have a decent portfolio. Plus you can just quit anytime, no harsh consequences.Of course, you are basically attending to a marketplace with your product, so you have to figure out what sells and have some patience, it can take a month or even two to get your first order. It can work as a small boost, if you don't have a bigger audience, but if you can produce stuff quickly and fairly well, people will give you good ratings and that will attract others and you can practice dealing with all kind of clients too.

>>4679013
>My audience obviously wouldn't be the people who care about thing like that.
Tell that to Alke kek

are there any fellow tacos in here?
how do you guys handle comissions since last year?

if you didn't know, paypal stopped working in Mexico on September of 2019.

>>4679067
Fucking based

>>4679075
I'm not /taco/, but I am /arepa/. I don't know precisely what happened to PayPal y tacoland but in arepaland people use PayPal regardless of restrictions. I have a friend who receives payment for jobs through PayPal and then sells the dollars in exchange for churupocoins (bolívares). Maybe you could ask the boys over at hispachan/mx?

>>4679075
>Taco-dude here!

Paypal works at thsi day still working properly. The only thing that it doesn't allow you is use it as a personal saving account.

>>4680399
>the only thing that it doesn't allow you is use it as a personal saving account.

that's the point, genius.

I'm not gonna get a bank account just to earn 5$-10$ dollars a month with comissions, the interests would eat me alive.

>>4680413
Just have a debit card and deposit to it
Or request a check by mail but this is gonna take weeks

>>4679067
>Alke
his pixiv is still up, what happened?
https://www.pixiv.net/users/1489704

Can someone recommend some sort of angled tray I can put on my desk, to put my sketchbook on? Like a desk easel that puts the sketchbook perpendicular to my face?

>>4679078
Just kill yourself already

>>4680854
I've people that just place a piece of wood in front of them, ideally not heavy so you can move it around easily. If you wanted to have something laying on it without falling off you could simply screw a piece of wood to hold it in place.

I just want to make 500/moth with my garbage scribbles.

>>4680903
furry porn

>>4680904

>>4680884
Cope more, lolifag.

>>4681015
What other meme-words do you know?

>>4680903
>500/moth

>>4678401
How do you price commissions and art in general? I'm not in the position where I want to be to even attempt it but it boggles me on how to price things.

>>4681044
Start low and raise the price if you get too many orders? Just guessing.

>>4679013
Well, you better start grinding out those doujins because even if the doujin scene is FUCKING HUGE in Japan it's very selective and competitive. You ever been to a Comiket? If not you better attend one if you're serious about making money through doujins.
Pic related is one hall of Comiket and there are two of these on top of a smaller doujin area servicing boy-love and yaoi fujoshi girls.

>>4681063
What makes this image even more painful is how cramped the counters are. If I'm understanding it correctly, the artists are sitting elbow to elbow.

Does anyone socialize at Comiket, like they do at anime conventions?

>>4681072
Yeah the small-time authors tend to sit elbow to elbow, but if you're willing to pay for 2 spots you can basically have one table to yourself.
It looks chaotic, but they are incredibly organized and you can buy from the more popular artists by lining up in batches of ~30 so the walkways don't get clogged with lines.
And yes, there's a lot of socializing going on especially in the cosplay areas. It's absolutely amazing and you have to see it at least once.

>>4681038
what? im from 3rd world, 500 is good enough.

How do you send the commission to the customer and in what format?

>>4681122
He's just making a joke about you saying moth instead of month. Hence the moth.

>>4681122
You said “moth” instead of “month”. Therefore, he posted a picture of a moth.

>>4681038
Yes my moths are very rare, prices starting from 500 some even 1300, they're the best moths!

>>4681200
>>4681222
what a retard i am

>>4680663
This. It mitigates the awfulness. It still fucking sucks that you don't get as good of a exchange rate in the dollar to peso conversion as you did with paypal themselves, but what can we do?

>>4678401
I recognize your shitty style. You barely improved since last year.

Why people do commissions? I can see why business do it but I don't see reason for people do it.

>>4682199
with 'do' I mean buy it.

>>4682199
Stupid question, but i’ll answer. They want personal art made for them, like for an oc or some porn. Also to support the artist they like.

>>4682210
Forgot to mention, they do it for business reasons too.

>>4682199
Some people would rather have that personal attention than a work of fine art. Like why do people donate to Twitch streamers? A lot of people have lower standards than you.

>>4680663
>>4681384

alright, I'll investigate more about the debit card options.

Any bank you recomend?

>>4682199
I do it to support the artist but some artists are a pain in the ass to deal with. They demand $$$ up front then feel like they can take 5 months to deliver on something as simple as a headshot sketch.

I only tip one artist $50+ a month just for being chill about the commission. Every other artist I've come across is either a pretentious asshole or a whiny bitch. Neither of which I want to waste my time dealing with.

>>4685224
They should only be taking 1/3 up front and then getting paid on final revision and then delivery for the other 1/3rds. This is why you make a contract with deadlines, cancellation fee, and non-delivery = cancellation or refund.

If they refuse to do contacts to cover both of your asses, they're not worth commissioning because they don't take it seriously, are lazy, or are out to steal money

>>4679075
I still handle my commissions by paypal, only that I have the debit card.
>>4682545
The bank that I use it's from BBVA, but is always a good idea to ask what the benefits are.

>>4680904
based

>>4680904
Correct

>>4678401
Reminder if companies are commissioning you $1k for a design you aren't "underselling yourself" by charging $100 for a rendered commission. These companies make MILLIONS/BILLIONS of dollars a year. $1k for some random artist is a drop in the bucket compared to the amount of money they'll make on whatever product they use with your art.

At that point you'll raise your prices so high that you'll alienate individual clients and only work with companies which will be even more difficult for you.

They can drop you like that and never commission you ever again. Piss them off and they'll out you to other potential customers. They'll uphold you to high standards and why shouldn't they? They're paying you $1000+. You better be damn sure that they're satisfied with the final product if you want to keep that money rolling in.

Better put that art in a fucking contract and take your percentage.

Making it sounds like it fucking blows.

How much should I charge for something like this?

>>4687611
Is there some kind of template or something to make such a contract?

>>4689838
Don't know, Nice concept but your skills are still low, so far as is I would pay 150 USD, but with better execution can easily double, you have a sense of composition but at the same time don't, what are thoose horrible desaturated greyish colors and horrible rendering? But you seem to gonna make it, keep practicing

>>4689887
Thanks, I do feel like I still need a lot of polish, does it just come with time?

>>4689911
like all things, time and experience

>>4689855
Yes. Graphic Artists Guild book for Pricing and Ethical Guidelines. It has example contracts in there you can snag and all you have to do is change the wording to your name and your clients name as well as exact pricing. It's actually also good for looking up pricing for commercial and non-commercial projects, but for that specifically you should only use the most recent version.

>>4689855
Business and Legal Forms for Illustrators / Fine Artists is a book of contracts and has downloadable versions you can edit for your needs.

>>4689823
yep people tend to have this romantic idea of "making it" when in reality its ajob like any other
and i do bet most people wanting to make it would quit in 1-2 years of art career/freelance after they realize this

>>4678937
we need more people like you; thoughtful and encouraging

>>4689050
ho- hold on. People.. Pay for that?

>>4692670
>yfw it says closed
>yfw someone actually paid 7k for furryshit
How does one tap into the furry market?

>>4692680
>7k for SFW art
now you might judge me for this but I fap to furry shit sometimes so I'm not as conflicted as lets say YOU may be, but if I can even sell 1 $500 YCH a week, thats fucking 25k extra per year. I will, without shame do what is necessary to retire early and live happily (even though I plan to still do art shit post-retirement kekw)

>>4689050
is he famous or is he just that good?

>>4696146
He's one of the most popular artists, and infamous for somehow being able to sell his work at bullshit prices. This is anything but the norm

>>4692680
>How does one tap into the furry market?
By being a furry. Believe it or not, the degenerates can tell when you're just larping.

>>4696153
i see, interesting case nonetheless.

>>4681323
Yes José Alberto, yes you are

>>4696146
The big whales dont give a shit about quality, only about the artist's fame. This is specially true with furfags, where the biggest paypigs want their ocs drawn by a popufur for the sake of clout.

>>4689050
That's not the finished product, right? People bid based on the sketch, then he renders it after payment?

>>4696175
Can confirm. I have to keep gently lettings anons down because they think they can quickly learn to draw something "tasteful" and have it be appealing to furries. If your stuff doesn't "look furry" it's probably not appealing to them.
I like to compare it to a gay guy trying to break into the lesbian porn market. Probably not going to work.

>>4696271
Yes, the idea behind a Your Character Here is the artist draws a sketch. The customer sees it and is all "wow my OC would totally look good in that" and they pay for the artist to customize it to their OC.

>>4680688
>https://www.pixiv.net/users/1489704
pixiv is a based jap site, twitter is a roastie onions cucked cancel fest

>>4698154
>onions
Anon, I...

>>4685224
The fan art and porn commission environment is completely toxic all around. It’s some kind of cycle that goes both ways. You might be an amazing client, but that artist probably dealt with a lot of shitty ones before who drove him to where he is now. Likewise, the bad clients probably dealt with bad artist.

The artist are underpaid and unprofessional, the clients demand far more than their money is worth. It’s overall just a completely toxic environment. I’ve been a toxic artist. My advise for good clients here is to not fund toxic artists. They will either get their shit together eventually or fuck off. Similarly for artists, just learn to respect your time and work and say no to bad clients. Set your boundaries early on and cut loose any client that doesn’t respect them.

>>4678401
How do I search for GOOD artist with open commissions? All the artist I follow are closed. I want someone to do some forced feminization stuff.

>>4696175
>>4697866
This is totally and completely wrong. It makes me wonder what kind of horrible attempts you both made to draw furry art if you failed so spectacularly at attracting commissioners. Furry commissioners aren't any different than other commissioners. They pay you money if you can draw what they want. But in some specific cases, commissioners want the artist to be like them. Certain bara commissioners want you to be gay if you're male, and they'll get upset if you're a straight male who is just good at drawing bara men. The same goes for furry. And a similar principle applies, commissioners can be flaky and retarded if they find out you draw content they don't like. Some titty monster commissioners don't like to commission from people who also draw futa in addition to women. Some people don't like to commission from people who also draw gore or scat or other types of "extreme" content.

If you are a trying to market yourself and make it as a prominent [furry, bara, futa, insert community here] artist, then you are under a different set of rules from a typical average artist. There is not a long list of artists who are good at drawing furry art. Or at least, there are way way more people in this world who are desperate to have more art of their fursona, than there are artists.

It's not that furries are some esoteric group who can tell if you're not one of them, it's just that furry art takes time and effort to learn to draw in a way that appeals to that community. Same goes for literally every other form of fetish art community

>>4696146
Famous. He's also infamous for how shit his fur looks.

what about commissions for business? Is there a market for it? Like illustration for marketing of something.

>>4698359
Behance?

>>4698359
wouldn't bother. Filled with super cheap south eastern asian and indians doing crappy work for super cheap, which is exactly what most companies look for.

If you want something other than commissions I'd look into children book illustrations or posters

>>4692689
A lot of non furry artists don't get the appeal and can't make appealing art, so they're forced to cater to poorfags who are the ones that are into sick fetishes and also are the most specific and want the most changes

>>4698359
Illustration for business / commercial clients encompasses a huge range of opportunities. Of course there's a market for it. It can pay very well and you can absolutely make a killer living and a lifelong career doing this. Focusing on personal/private commissions is a suckers game. Business/corporate commissions can pay much more for the same amount of work.

The catch is that it's much harder to do. People on this board focus on personal/private commissions because it's relatively easy. They think they have the basic blueprint needed to get started because it's so easy to understand: Build up a following on social media -> Open yourself up to commissions -> Get hired. That's all pretty straight forward and it is constantly touted as the go-to method on /ic/. But how do you land commercial commissions? It's not so simple. Posting on social media and waiting to be 'discovered' is not going to cut it. There is not an easy-to-follow blueprint perpetuated on this board, so a lot of folks here just come up with weak excuses of why commercial commissions are not even worth doing.

People like >>4698387 are retarded and have a poor understanding of how many different opportunities there are available for illustrators who want to focus on business/corporate clients on retail, promotional, editorial, branding, and many more types of projects. To reduce the entire industry of illustration down to being filled with cheapskates hiring SE Asians, etc. is just ignorant, especially to then suggest that childrens book illustrations are somehow a better, more realistic alternative.

>>4689050
>art financing
>miles
Yeah, I'm thinking this is normal.

>>4689050
>possible payment plan 18 months

Bumpan

>>4689823
Is this supposed to dissuade people from wanting to freelance for corporate clients? Everything you said sounds totally normal.

Get paid more for your work than any personal commission could get you? Sounds awesome.
Raise your prices so high that you don't have to work on personal commissions anymore? Sound awesome. Personal commissions suck.
These corporate clients can drop you like that and never commission you again? This can and will happen with both personal & commercial commissions.
Make sure your clients are satisfied and don't piss them off? Of course.
Negotiate a royalty instead of a fixed payment? That can and does happen on the right projects, and can make you a lot of money.

Making it sounds like it's fucking awesome.

>>4698252
Sometimes I'll just browse through the people they follow on Twitter and find some good quality artists with their commissions open. Artists follow other artists so it's a natural place to look.

>>4700593
but do they actually get commissions?
everyone can make a commission sheet

>>4700599
So far I've been fortunate and none of them have flaked on me. A couple haven't responded to DMs but that's their prerogative I guess. If nothing else it gives you options to browse through.

Anybody tried using an anonymous bitcoin wallet to get that tax free commission money and not have to deal with fucking paypal?

Idk if this is the thread but looking to commission someone to draw Scooby-Doo but wearing a bunch of jewelery and having tattoos.

>>4700639
I've seen some anon do it in /aco/

>>4700639
nobody wnats to go through that autism, you will end up losing more money in clients going away scared of the fuzz of creating the memecoin wallet thant the money paypal can bloodsuck from you.

>>4700684
did nobody replied to you on the /aco/ board/discordtranny server? if nobody did this is not the place where you will get artist, people here barely do their Loomis heads.

>>4701127
This, you’ll not even coomers will go through that much trouble for some pin up shit.

>>4700639
>just let me scam you bro
Fuck off, it's already fishy to commission artist using Paypal and you believe people will use the "scary hacker currency" the idiot at /aco/ tryng to use that shit is larping or losing money big time, fuck that cunt and FUCK YOU TOO

How much could I charge for something like this?

>>4701328
It depends on who it's for and how it will be used. You, and everyone else in this thread, should grab the 'Graphic Artists Guild Handbook: Pricing & Ethical Guidelines'

>>4701328
Polished turd

How much do people usually charge to paint a big truck?

Someone wants me to paint one (kinda mural-ish) and he'll be driving it around. Decent exposure. Is 3k enough?

>>4703407
Not a regular sized truck. The wheels are bigger than me.

>>4703407
3k is not too bad. It's a big job and well worth it. If it's for a larger business / corporation you could definitely go higher. This sounds fair for a local small business. Though if the piece has high complexity, you should go higher. Don't forget to add on cost of materials.

rateroni

>>4703407
Are they paying for the materials?

I simply can't take comissions, PayPal works like shit in our country.
And so, I am starting, fuck.

>>4703032
Know where I can find a free copy of the pdf? I could buy it but AI might as well ask first.

Does that mean that if something like was used for commercial purposes, I could ask for more money Vs some rando commissioning me to draw their OC and/or fanart?

If someone was making their own comicbook or selling posters or something and I was hired on to do some artwork for it, would it be reasonable to ask for a % of sales instead of a flat rate? And how much of a rate should I ask for?

>>4678868

>>4704793
why is that man wearing makeup

>>4678419
Put lots of different stuff into your portfolio

>>4704802
So he can be pretty

>>4678419
>I want whatever I want
>but I want commissions
Nobody wants to pay you for that

>>4704793
man, I remember making my first bucks in art drawing absolute trash drawings on fiverr back in 2015. I still cringe that anyone paid for those atrocities

>>4704793
Is that normal for websites to take a percentage of your commissions? That's jewish as fuck

>>4678401
Why would you ever do commissions if you make more money with your dayjob? Legit question. Or are commissions legit more fun than other lines of work? Just curious.

>>4705927
More money obviously. With or without a dayjob.

>>4705927
Do you even draw?

>>4705939
>>4705936
Yes, I draw. It's just that I rather draw for my own amusement in my spare time. The extra money wouldn't be worth it. Who cares about an extra thousand a month if it costs your evenings and weekends?

>>4706035
>who care about a extra thousand a month

Based and richpilled

>>4705927
98% of us are losers with shit jobs and we want to either get an easy part-time job and have art support the rest of our expenses or we want to go full-on live off commissions mode.

say I wanted to try this furry art for money gig, would I get on furaffinity, practice their 'style' for a bit and start posting? how does it work for a beginner?

>>4706035
Anyone that’s not an idiot or rich.

>>4706045
Here we go again with the stupid furry art meme, if you are retarded enough to fall for it you don't have the brainpower to make it.

>>4704246
He said he has the materials so I don't have to cover the cost of it. But he doesn't have a design, so that's also a process for me to take into account.

>>4678401
I want to get a birthday present for a friend, is anyone good at drawing groups of characters? All SFW

>>4706357
Any contact info?

>>4706360
yeah sorry, I'm kinda new to doin this on /ic/ and didn't think it through:
picklehorsetempleton@gmail.com
Been prowling skeb and twitter but everyone either closed coms or charges too much for what I want (not trying to cheap out but I'm not paying 250 to a porn artist to draw something silly and SFW lol)

>>4685224
I mostly only comm people who are amateurs because it's cheap, I get the same amount of enjoyment, little buyer's remorse, and they're always very nice or actually need the money.

>>4706381
Basado

Did any of you make a comm for the reize autist?

>>4706478
who?

>>4689050
Ok, I know furry is against the board rules but here's another one of his works and I need to ask ANY anons here: Is this anatomically correct? Is this work going to be sold, non-anatomically correct? (Blocked out the poos for you guys too out of respect and hope I dont get banned lol)

>>4706579
are you stupid? because you sound stupid
MilesDF is a massive cunt, I hate his plastic looking "fur" but his works have appeal, soul, whatever name you want to give it, and they are anatomically correct, for the kind of works he does, your question is like asking if one piece is anatomically correct, also you posted a sketch, good lord this place if full to the brim with absolute drooling mongos

>>4706591
not him, but one arm is longer than the other

>>4706595
im going to tell you a secret, NOBODY FUCKING CARES, people queue to get shit from this rusky fucker, he is the sakimichan of the furryfandom, he can get the arm totally deformed and people will kill ech other to get his pic, and again, this is a sketch, at least post a finished work.

>>4706489
https://www.deviantart.com/seizui/about
http://seizui.wikidot.com/reize-seatlan

A turboautismo gook that pays thousands of dollars to have his OC in everything.

>>4706599
> NOBODY FUCKING CARES
Thank you. This is the ONLY thing that matters. People just don't give a shit. All they care about is either:

a) buying from / "supporting" their twitter friends
b) buying stuff from people who are well known

That's fucking it. All of us here care a bunch about the art, and that's okay, but artists aren't an artist's target market.

>>4678401
How do I figure out how much my stuff is worth? Where can I find someone who actually knows there shit about price listings?

>>4707750
Art is not valued in and of itself.
The value is based on the popularity of the artist.

>>4698863
What did they even mean by this? That you can pay the money over the course of 18 months?

>>4710738
Yes, maybe even a loan lol

Do most people leave the "tip" option up in PayPal invoices? I turned it off when I send it to my clients because we set a price we both agreed on, and I don't want to put them in an awkward position where they have to decide if they want to tip or not. Recently though I saw a poll on Twitter with the vast majority of commissioners saying they tip all the time so I'm wondering if it's actually a normal part of the process.

>>4706045
There's no singular furry 'style' and work doesn't just fall into your lap either despite what some people say. Furry isn't some magic art haven where anyone willing to do porn is showered in money, the same rules apply as anywhere else: find a niche that you can at least tolerate and focus on improving + posting quality work consistently.

>>4711033
I leave it on, most people do tip, and thoose dollars add, imagine getting 100 commissions during the year, everybody tips 5 or more, you get 500 bucks out of thin air, not bad, and thoose 5 bucks wont hurt the customer like at all but will help you a lot.