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I'm looking to buy a large professional tablet to connect to my PC, but not certain exactly what to look for.

I know Wacom is apparently the best, but I heard driver issues are a big problem, and that they started making them cheaply since moving manufacturing to China, while charging the same premium. Based on the reviews I've watched though, it seems like they still make the best pens by a fair bit.

XP-Pen looks ok, but the pen is still clearly worse than Wacom's, especially when it comes to tilt functionality. I am also not a fan of having to use matte screen protectors, and change them every few months due to scratches.

Huion - forget it. I'm not buying from a Chinese brand.

I can potentially get a used Wacom 27" QHD tablet for roughly $900-$1200 USD. Is it worth it? Or do they have the same problems as the 4K Cintiqs supposedly do?

>just use a non-display
I have one, but I feel like I can't draw accurately. My ellipses are far better on paper than they are on the non-display tablet.

>just get an iPad
No.

>> No.4681794

>>4681779
>XP-Pen looks ok, but the pen is still clearly worse than Wacom's, especially when it comes to tilt functionality.
I have a 15.6 Pro. The pen is almost Wacom level. The tilt is fucked because there's no rotation detection. You can still use it but it's kind of a bitch. All my rotation sensitive brushes have to be set to tilt angle and it fucks with my arm contorting to get what I want down. If you're used to Wacom it's really weird.

>I am also not a fan of having to use matte screen protectors, and change them every few months due to scratches.
I don't know where everyone's been getting this from but I've had mine almost a year now and I haven't had to change the screen protector once. No scratches in sight. I also am anal about wiping my screen down any time I see smudges or dust particles though. This might explain the difference in screen protector mileage though, the anon that had to change his every 3 months likely doesn't keep it clean and is putting scratches into the film with dust and grime.

By the way, you can buy better quality screen protectors that aren't so sensitive. I had one on my last screen tablet and the screen protector lasted me 4 years. Just saying. That guy probably bought some cheap shit and that's why he had to change often.

I think xp-pen is probably the best non-wacom you're going to get. I've heard gaomon has been improving but since I don't have one myself I can't tell you how good or bad those are.

>> No.4681824

I have the cintiq 16, and I guess they fixed the driver issues since I don't have any. You might need to reset the services when you boot up the computer but that's it.

>> No.4681828
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STAY AWAY FROM HUION.

>> No.4681833

>>4681828
Yeah huion is trash. If I got one for free I'd just end up selling the fucker for a better tablet.

>> No.4681839

>>4681779
>900 1200
What are some actually affordable tablets?

>> No.4681848

>>4681839
Xp-pen Pro line when they're on sale or lightly used wacoms.

>> No.4681874

>>4681839
>>4681848
Wacom 27" QHD is a better deal for that price than the new XP-Pen QHD.

It all comes down to having much better pre-calibration and a far better pen.
You know XP-Pen's pen is shit when they literally include two in the box for you.

>> No.4681881

>>4681874
>You know XP-Pen's pen is shit when they literally include two in the box for you.
Mine came with one and it's fine though. Huion comes with one and they're trash.

>> No.4681886

>>4681874
>Wacom 27" QHD is a better deal for that price than the new XP-Pen QHD.
Dude if you find me a brand new 27" for $770 I'll take it

>> No.4681927

Can I get a rundown of the xp-pen g430s

>> No.4681942
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FOR FUCK'S SAKE HOW MANY OF THIS THREAD'S DO YOU FAGGOTS NEED?! JUST MAKE TABLET GENERAL ALREADY FUCKING RETARDS.
Yes, it's a Pepe. Fuck you.

>> No.4682016

is 8k points of pressure too much?

>> No.4682140

Isn't 27" too big for QHD/1440p? Won't you see the pixels?

>> No.4682142

>>4681942
Can we have an apple general anon?

>> No.4682153
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I'm on a similar boat as OP, looking for my first display tablet. It was my birthday a few days ago and my parents offered to help me get a tablet with $170.
I'm currently eyeing a lot of XP-Pen tablets, specifically the Artist 12 Pro ($300) which seems like the standard, but I don't know if I should go the extra mile and go for something bigger and more studio-like such as the the Artist 22 Pro ($500) or the Artist 22R Pro ($700) which both seem like the tablets of my dreams, specially considering I'm already starting to get considerable money from commissions/selling online.
Will there be any difference? Any advice?

>> No.4682175

I just got a cintiq pro 16 for 500 bucks, was a good deal?

>> No.4682179

>>4681779
>but I heard driver issues are a big problem
Never listen to haters. I've been using Intuos Pro for 8 years, and after that using Cintiq for 4 years already, changed three OS during this time interval and not ever ONCE had I slightest problem with drivers or any Wacom software.
The only issue I have with - cintiq has fucking weak and flimsy connector that tend to disconnect with every fucking move! But the problems with software? Nope, never heard of.

>> No.4682189

>>4682153
The 12 is too cramped. The 22r and 22 pro are only 1920x1080 and it sucks ass on that size. 15.6 pro is the biggest size you should buy at 1920x1080. It's also probably the smallest tablet you should get from them.

If you've got $700 to blow on a 22" just get the 24" pro QHD it's worth the extra $70. Plus, CONTRAST RATIO. The contrast ratio is 1000:1 (equivalent to Wacom) in the new 24" pro. All previous moels are 800:1 at MOST and it sucks ass. Contrast is so fucking important.

>> No.4682190

>>4682142
You can have a bullet to the head, fucker.

>> No.4682193

>>4682175
Yeah if it's in really good condition and they didn't register it.

>> No.4682196

>>4681779
>Is it worth it?
Yes, and no. It's not magic, it wont make you draw better. I like it, even with one green pixel and this weird dark spots on the screen, but they barely visible so it doesn't bother me much. I guess it's just my bad luck. If you can, try the new 24, though for me it would be too small at this point, since I've used to 27.

>> No.4682224

>>4682193
>register it
What do you mean, anon

>> No.4682234

>>4682224
For the warranty? They didn't register it with Wacom already, did they? Because you're gonna need it

>> No.4682282

>>4682234
Are newer Cintiqs really that likely to fail?
Also I heard Wacom's support was trash anyway.

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QUESTION: WHY DON'T DRAWING SCREENS HAVE HIGH REFRESH RATES REEEEEEEEEEEE

>> No.4682345

I'm waiting for this "Super Display"
Its either a bonded 2k 22pro or a Studio like all in one.

Haven't seen much about Huions Kamvas Studio so I dont see why XpPen would feel the need to release one of their own. There's no real demand for that.

>> No.4682350

Reminder that when it comes to these tablets, mounting is more important than any of the tech.

Vesa mounting a tablet to an ergotron arm improves the drawing experience exponentially.

>> No.4682362

>>4682345
wonder why huion or xp just won't release their own 13"/16" mobile display tablet.

>> No.4682406

>>4682362
Huron has the Studio 22 and its...questionable.

>> No.4682414

>>4682306
What would you need a high refresh for on a drawing tablet?

>> No.4682418

>>4682414
So he can play games obviously, he wants an excuse to not draw like 97% of this board.

>> No.4682419

>>4682306
Because it won't make you draw any better.

>> No.4682433

How likely are modern Cintiqs to require an RMA? Anyone have experience with one?

Are they more than a 50% chance to require repairs after less than a year?

>> No.4682479

>>4682433
What is RMA?

>> No.4682484

>>4682016
Nah. If it feels like too much to you, you can just adjust the pressure curve to make it feel like less if you want.

>> No.4682486

why cant there be a sticky for stupid threads like this

>> No.4682490

>>4682282
If it's in warranty and registered to you, they are legally required to help you. If they just hang up on you or ignore you call a lawyer and scare them into fixing your shit.

>>4682345
Bonded screens are nice but they also can press on the screen and make dead pixels happen. It's nice having less parallax but it really sucks when the screen fails because of it. Honestly, most of the glass is so close to the screen in the non-bonded displays that it's virtually the same anyways and you don't have the same issues with the screen getting fucked.

>> No.4682523

>>4682486
Because they're against the rules. I guess mods don't care so we might as well make a general for it. We don't need 6 or 7 fucking tablet threads going at once.

>> No.4682614

>>4682414
Have you never used a high refresh rate monitor?

>> No.4682655

>>4682614
This might help with this discussion. 60hz vs 120hz. Can you guys tell the difference? I sure can :)

https://youtu.be/HFX5o-8ioUs

>> No.4682687

>>4682490
I'm not worried about the parallax as much as swapping out a 22inch screen protector.

>> No.4682703

>>4682687
Won't electronics repair shops do this for you? I got my local shop to do that for me on my 16". They do that shit a lot and have a nice clean space to work in. I gave them 2 screen protectors just in case they fucked up and needed a new one but they got it down first try.

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Reposting from the questions thread.

Anyone know specifically how deep the upgrade discount Wacom gives for pic related? Also, does it stack with the student discounts?

>> No.4683179

I bought a wacon cintiq pro 24. I'm just a beginner so I probably don't use its full potential. Mild annoyances here and there, no driver issues and it's fun without straining the eyes too much. It's expensive but I feel like I'm improving at a faster rate than I would with a normal tablet. Make sure to grind it to dust to get the value out. Might want to look for a stand/hand. The thing takes up space and is clunky to move around.
Bottom line sometimes it's worth digging into your wallet to get something nice.

>> No.4683518

>>4682655
Thanks. It's weird to get shit for such a reasonable question.

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>>4683179
>beginner
>bought a $2000 tablet

>> No.4683679

>>4683569
>nooooo you can't invest in the things you like, you have to be a poor faggot like me noooooooooo
Neck yourself poorfag

>> No.4683680

As someone who has only worked with paper, how big of a difference does parallax make to the drawing experience? Is a laminated display mandatory?

>> No.4683688

>>4683569
based
>>4683679
based, but still cringe considering most /beg/s will quit when they realize how hard it is to make art. hope that tablet is worth it

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>>4683688
I have a cintiq 21ux and the resolution makes things harder on the eyes, also the Orange tint the old cintiqs have fuck the colors around, if OP had the money theres no problem in getting top of the line tech from the start, but since people here barely can buy 10 bucks tutorials and they need to come here to beg for them you can imagine the shock of seeing someone else burn a couple grands on a tablet, it won't make the anon work better, but it will make the drawing sessions WAY more enjoyable, I know " but this chink tablet gets the job done and it's cheap" yeah but I contantly read here complains about them, and screenless are also good at slowing the learning rate.

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>*is the best beginner drawing tablet*

>> No.4683712

>>4683697
people buy expensive things then find a way to make excuses for them because they are expensive, it's like movies reviews that say "it was a really great movie even with it's flaws" get what you can afford it's plain and simple,the tool won;t make you be a better artist, it will help you get better results but you need good results to begin with...

>> No.4683721

>>4683712
Doesn't non-laminated parallax make it significantly harder to get good results?

>> No.4683728

>>4683721
it's not as bad now as it use to be, I have a really old cintiq 12wx that has a huge parallax and yes it's a pain, but the new monitors that ar not laminated have reduced this greatly, I'm waiting to see what the Huion 24 pro looks like it supposedly has laminated screen compared to the XP-Pen 24

>> No.4683837

>>4683688
My parents bought a piano when we were kids and now it's just sitting there untouched. I suppose it's the same thing here.

>> No.4683866

>>4683837
>generalize from annecdotal evidence
the absolute state

>> No.4683935

>>4683866
My point is that this shit is commonplace. At some point in our lives, a lot of us won't end up doing [thing that uses an expensive device] even as a hobby, let alone as a job. So money is wasted.

>> No.4684005

>>4683721
These days not really. Everyone's putting their glass and screen much closer together

>> No.4684027

>>4683935
I do it :^), please cope more, I paid my cintiq pro in one month with commissions money alone.

>> No.4684084

>>4683935
Speak for yourself?

Not everyone has the "I'll do it later :D" attitude you have. Some of us draw for a hobby and have jobs to pay off a drawing tablet.

Money is not wasted if you buy something that gives you happiness. Are you going to take your money with you to the grave?

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>>4684084
>Speak for yourself?

Not everyone has the "I'll do it later :D" attitude you have. Some of us draw for a hobby and have jobs to pay off a drawing tablet.

Money is not wasted if you buy something that gives you happiness. Are you going to take your money with you to the grave?

>> No.4684099

>>4684027
Bruh I literally said that this shit is commonplace. It's natural to waste money. I do it too.

>>4684084
It did give us happiness for a while but then we kinda just stopped. None of us knows why.

>> No.4684103

>>4684099
>they got bored with a fucking piano
brainlet and souless automatons.

>> No.4684119

>>4682179
>But the problems with software? Nope, never heard of
Luck bastard. I envy you.

>> No.4684142
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4684142

Does anyone have their display tablet mounted to an ergotron arm? How much does it help your workflow if you're able to rotate the tablet to any angle at will? Or does a regular stand usually suffice?

>> No.4684143

>>4682655
>>4683518
is this shit even relevant besides muh eye candy? besides, bigger canvases, multiple layers and complex brushes sure make the framerate drop a lot, not even considering how well optimized is the app you choose to use...

>> No.4684145

>>4684143
It's a meme that Mactoddlers try to perpetuate. Won't help your drawing at all.

>> No.4684153

>>4684142
Seconding this question.
Being able to align your tablet vertically for optimal screen space seems like it would be maximum comfy.

>> No.4684178

>>4684142
I don't rotate my tablet on the arm I just rotate my canvas lol. But having it arm at whatever position I want is maximum comfy.

Normal stands are good too as long as theyre adjustable and sturdy.

>> No.4684219

>>4683702
>$650
>for beginner
Just get a Wacom One

>> No.4684236

>>4684219
wacom one is crap, unironically a chink shit one would be better, and take that from a wacom fag who has used almost every model they have had on screen tablets.

>> No.4684238

>>4683702
>*Is already discontinued*

>> No.4684240

>>4684178
Does your arm have the ability to rotate at least? Seems like it would make more sense to rotate the tablet vertically if you're drawing on a vertical canvas.

>> No.4684244

>>4684219
Wacom One is beat out by Huion. HUION. Just think about how shit they are and let that sink in for a minute.

>> No.4684246

>>4684238
I asked you to source that claim in the other thread, and you didn't. You're a worthless idiot.

No doubt you got that information from the reddit thread, which is just a screenshot of customer support. And guess what? They were talking about the Cintiq Pro 16, not the Cintiq 16.

>> No.4684250

>>4684244
>no argument
No problem retard.

Every single Wacom Product beats Huion by virtue of having a high quality pen.

>> No.4684256

>>4684240
Yeah it can rotate but I don't fuck with it. If you rotate your screen you'd have a sideways UI. You could rotate it in your OS to match it but then you'd have such a narrow screen space taken up by UI. Its awful and gives me flashbacks to my Fujitsu stylistic lmao. If I'm doing a portrait instead of landscape I'm not rotating my tablet.

>> No.4684259

>>4684250
Not the Wacom one, shilly boy. That's the most chink-ass shit Wacom has ever released.

>> No.4684267

>>4684246
I'm not whoever you're talking about but go to their website and look at what you can buy. All the non-pro versions of their cintiqs are gone. I wonder why? Maybe because they've been discontinued???

https://www.wacom.com/en-us/products/pen-displays

>> No.4684268

>>4684259
the pen still blows huion out of the water.

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>>4684267
idiot

>> No.4684273

>>4684268
>Buying a Wacom one for the pen
Pfff. At that point just buy an intuos. The screen is awful.

>> No.4684275

>>4684236
is there a good chink display tablet for less than $400 without pen/driver issues?

>> No.4684276

>>4684268
>"m-muh stylus!"
When the chinks catch up to wacom on the pen technology I wonder what you shills will cling to next

>> No.4684284

>>4684275
No. You're asking too much for that low of a price. Lower one of your standards there and it's possible you can get something decent.

>> No.4684298

>>4684273
>>4684276
The main reason to buy a drawing tablet is for the drawing experience, retards.
If you want a good display, you get a good display. BenQ and Dell make far better looking & bigger monitors than what trash like Huion offer for the same price.

>> No.4684863

Cintiq 16 non-pro worth it?

>> No.4684986
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Should I get a 2nd-hand Wacom Cintiq Companion Hybrid 13HD?
I saw it in 325 bucks on ebay.

>> No.4685001

>>4684986
From what I hear, Wacom pen computers have spotty quality control, if you can get it for 300$ it might be worth fighting with it.

Also if you've never dealt with screen tablets you'll have to figure out whether you're comfortable drawing on that screen size.

>> No.4685006

Is 8192 levels of pressure a meme? Is there any worthwhile difference between 8192 and 2048?

>> No.4685135

>>4685001
I don´t care the portability. I'll use it as a drawing monitor.
My problem is the paralllax and the pen offset. I did have a very bad experience with Huion, you know...

>> No.4685216

Which is better for the same price, the Cintiq 16 (non-pro) or the XP-Pen Artist Pro 16?

The Cintiq has a worse color gamut, but comes pre-calibrated. It doesn't have a laminated screen, which means parallax, but it has a better pen with far better tilt support.

What is the logical choice?

>> No.4685235

I have never noticed a significant offset with my 22hd, obviously different models so your mileage may vary.

>> No.4685237

>>4685235
Meant for>>4685135

>> No.4685431

This looks like an absolute bargain for the 27" QHD Cintiq

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Wacom-Cintiq-27qhd-creative-pen-and-touch-display-Ergo-Stand-Bundle/174330329422?hash=item2896e5b94e:g:Ri0AAOSweINe9x0g

>> No.4685481

>>4681794
>screen protector
I'm a new artist and just bough a 15.6 pro and am using it. wtf is this screen protector
It's already installed on when you buy it right? I think I see a thin layer of something with edges on my screen

>> No.4685496

>>4685216
I have the cintiq 16, the parallax is fine, it's only like 1-2mm. The screen is clear enough and provides decent resistance, mine still doesn't have scratches and it's been a year already, though its probably due to me taking care of it well, dusting off dust before use and covering it while not using it.

>> No.4685503

>>4685431
Thats a 2500$ tablet, either the seller is a massive idiot, or there's something very very wrong with it

>> No.4685509

>>4685503
calm down, it's just the opening bid and the 27qhd is an older model.

>> No.4685598

>>4685509
On Ebay, are you eligible to return a tablet if there's a dead pixel that wasn't specified in the description?

>> No.4685662

How big of a difference does parallax make to drawing?

>> No.4686280

>>4681779
Does anyone have the Wacom QHD 27"?

I can get one used for $900 (touch version), which seems like good value, but I'm not sure if I should pull the trigger. Apparently there is 5mm parallax and there are quality control issues.
Do they have bad longevity? This one was originally bought in 2017, would it be on its last legs?

>> No.4686297

>>4686280
nigga my first screen tablet was a second hand cntiq 12wx, that shit is from the 2011, and I just sold it to a friend, still working just fine, the old cintiqs are really study and hardcore, and 900 bucks for a touch 27 qhd is the best value you will get for a cintiq, ever, not even the fancy 4k shit of the new ones can compare, is just 900 bucks man, the fuck isw rong with you? you are not seeing that offer again, surely is due the corona faggotry going on, I just bough a a cintiq 16 pro for under 500 usd from a person who was desperate due the corona, its now or never.

>> No.4686330

>>4686297
I was reading some threads about it on the internet. See a fair amount of people complaining about lifespan, like they're set to die after a year, and that there's way too much parallax. The seller told me this tablet was purchased in 2017.

$900 is literally most of my budget right now, and my income isn't 100% guaranteed because of Corona.

I really really don't want to invest that much money, only for the tablet to die not long after. No chance of repair either because it's used; Wacom notoriously never helps with used products. Also again, a lot of people on reddit feel like it's not a fun drawing experience because of 5mm parallax.

>> No.4686336

>>4686297
Also aren't their older tablets the ones that are built to last? I thought they outsourced 27 QHD manufacturing to China, along with all their newer Cintiqs?

>> No.4686360

>>4686330
>>4686336
Forgot to mention, I also checked the /ic/ archives and found some more rants:

>>/ic/?task=search&ghost=&search_text=qhd+27

Although it mostly seems to come from a namefag. Still.

>> No.4686373

>>4686297
The 27QHD are part of the poor quality junk Wacom has been making, what are you talking about? The last set of good tablet displays are the 21UX, 22HD and 24HD.

>> No.4686385

>>4686373
So even the new Cintiq Pro 24" and 32" are trash that won't last?

>> No.4686424 [DELETED] 

>>4681779

>> No.4686425

>>4686385

I had the 24 pro briefly and:
-The back is an extreme pain in the ass to open up (what were they thinking)
-No stand comes with it. Nobody fucking draws at the angle it gives you.
-The screen has a weird, rainbowish texture to it. Sort of like grain added to the screen and it sucks. Just give me a screen without filters or if I want a grain filter I'll add it myself with 3rd party protectors.
- touch is useless
-the nibs are tiny thin and not as durable as the old nibs
-the remote they give you has to be charged(?) I think and not by AAA battery like my tabmate controller

>> No.4686591

Can someone please explain to me why the Pen Display Tablet market is so trash?

First there is Wacom, who are notorious for being hugely overpriced. This would be understandable if they made high quality and reliable products, but quality control has been a massive issue for the last 5 years on Cintiqs.

Then you have XP-Pen, Huion and all the other chinese trash, who only managed to remove the really bad pen jitter in the last year, and only just released QHD tablets. While they're significantly more affordable than Wacom, they still have the same quality control issues (if not worse in Huion's case) and most of them still don't have laminated displays (bonded screens). I don't think any of the 22"+ Wacom clones have a bonded screen except for the newest Huion.

Is it too much to ask for a display tablet that's just reliable? One that's likely to last 5 years without breaking? Why isn't there a single display tablet on the market that meets this criteria? Are they had to make or something? Why were the older cintiqs so much more reliable than the newer ones?

>> No.4686601

>>4686591

Because Wacom moved their production out of Japan. If enough people complain then perhaps we can get them to go back to the good old days.

>> No.4686635

>>4686591
>mactoddler jerking noises in the distance

>> No.4686654

Is EasyCanvas on the iPad any good yet? If the iPad can connect to a windows computer as a display tablet, it might just be the best option on the market by default.

>> No.4686712

>>4686591
Wacom lowered their quality to make the big bucks and stopped innovating. They know they have brand name recognition and have been riding on that for a while. Cheaply made tablets at the same price as before = more profit and customers buying a tablet every year instead of every 4 or 5. Same with the planned obsolescence of their active area and stylus nibs combo to make you buy more nibs.

Chink brands are trying to catch up to Wacom but tablet technology is iffy stuff with a lot of possible issues - you're working with a tablet that has to have a full grid of receptors and is giving off an electro magnetic field and a stylus that's receiving and bouncing back the electromagnetic or the sine waves in cheaper models. You have to have drivers that work which is a bitch and keep it up to date with at least 2 different OS. They make their shit cheap because they're trying to compete with Wacom for the poorfag market. Honestly they're catching up a lot faster than I expected. Wacom recently lost their monopoly because they had some parents expire, I think that's part of the recent jump in quality.

They're still trash, don't get me wrong here. But I think that will change in the future, as they're getting better with each release (excluding huion). Hopefully soon we get reliable shit with a good build quality and the same pen feel as Wacom. I'd love to see them tank for their awful decisions.

>> No.4686715

>>4686601
They also changed CEOs around then and the new guy is... He hails from companies that suck ass basically. The only successful ones he worked at were the ones where he wasn't in charge of anything important.

>> No.4686720

>>4686601
> we
Japan isnt america, they dont care about crying internet gaijin

>> No.4686725

>>4686720
The west is their biggest market share.

>> No.4686738

>>4686720
They care about money and losing customers though.

>> No.4687052
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>watching a tablet review
>"it also had tilt support! but i personally don't use it so i can't tell you much about it"

>> No.4687143

I just made a proper general for this:

>>4687142
>>4687142
>>4687142

>> No.4687258

>>4687052
That sounds like Brad. Anytime something has tilt he shrugs and goes "lol maybe it works maybe it doesnt"
Useless.

>> No.4687355
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>>4681828
What's wrong with Huion? I have 0 issues with my Kamvas Pro 13. Worth the $260 I spent on it.

>> No.4687584

>>4687355
You got lucky...

>> No.4687662

>>4685481
Yeah it's pre-installed. Mine has air bubbles but they're not over the screen, just the black part of the glass outside of it. The screen protector is the worst part of this tablet honestly. I'd prefer a glossy one that doesn't make my shit look grainy when I zoom out but I've yet to find any without blue light coating but are still anti-scratch with none of that rainbow line bullshit.

>> No.4687765

>>4687355
What is that keyboard thingy you got there?

>> No.4687818

>>4687765
That's a MIDI keyboard.

>> No.4687980

>>4687355
>12 inches chinkshit
Sad, and NGMI

>> No.4688560

>>4687818
>MIDI keyboard
Oh I meant the mechanical keyboard on top of the tablet.

>> No.4690962

Shitters be like "but muh pen and muh tilt" and shit when all you need all you need is your skills and a hard round brush.

>> No.4690967

>>4690962
Not gonna lie, having tilt and rotation is real fuckin nice.

>> No.4691412

>>4687355
Theres a few very loud autists here who dont really like huion. Out of all the tablets ive used ive had most success with my huions. If you are deciding on a tablet while reading this thread, I advise trying one out if you like smooth drawing surface texture on your tablet. Worst case scenario you can just return it and get refunded.

>> No.4691444

>>4687355
losse micro usb ports that disconnect while you're drawing. I had it, another anon had it and it's just the fucking nature of micro usb.
A micro usb is an abomination that should have never existed, I had so many cellphones die just because micro usb failed and can't charge.

Xp-Pen are literally identical but with better pens and usb-C

>> No.4691472

>>4691412
I was the one that posted that screaming pepe. At the time my Kamvas kept breaking down and freezing from driver issues. But now it works perfectly after I got in contact with support. It's been about a week and it hasn't crashed once. Hopefully it continues to work. Sorry for staining Huion-san's reputation.

>> No.4691550

>>4691412
My first huion HS611 shipped with a faulty stylus that only sensed 25% of pressure on the light end and jumped immediately to 100% pressure at any pressure higher than that. It took me a month of arguing with support and sending video after video after fucking video of the issue, plus videos of my other huion that worked perfectly fine on the same drivers, with them telling me "don't press so hard" after I showed them that I wasn't, with both screen recordings and video showing the damn nib was barely going into the stylus when this happened. I returned that fucker to Amazon and got a replacement since huion didn't want to do anything and the second one works just fine as it should.

Support sucks ass. Or at least the person I got was awful. They took over a week to respond to my ticket too.

>> No.4691558

>>4691444
The newer huions have USB-C. They're switching over from micro USB.

>> No.4691613

>>4691558
well then they must be literally identical to Xp since the both are made by Ugee and have same technology, just different design.

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Get a cintiq. The setup is hell, assuming you're on windows, but it's worth it. I've had my cintiq pro 13 for a while now and it's served me well.

>> No.4691627

>>4691613
I think they have different parts. If they are both using Ugee parts then huion is using older or shittier ones.

>> No.4691651

>>4691627
The tablets are literally made at Ugee. Linux detects them as Ugee device, the firmware update tool says ugee, they are ugee.

Xp and Huion design the tablets slightly slightly different, example:
Xp were the first one with passive pen
huion were the first with pen tilt
Xp were the first with new sexy sweet pen
Huion were the first with bonded screen

I dunno their relationship, is it the shadowy Ugee overlord who decides how this pseudo-competition develops, or maybe their design teams are leapfrogging each other with the limited options that Ugee factory provides, but ultimately the both of them are limited by what Ugee has to offer.

I honestly don't know who's head and who's the tail, are Xp really a japanese design firm that orders production at ugee? Or are they Ugee's marketing sock puppet?

>> No.4691680

>>4691651
Well, Xp-pen took over Ugee so that explains that part, of course they're going to use their stuff... What I don't understand is the xp-pen/huion link here. Very odd.

>> No.4691711

>>4691680
From reading this article
https://www.xp-pen.com/detail/113.html

It seems that Xp-Pen actually were the sock puppet of Ugee all along and their purpose was to enter the Japanese market with an attractive product.

To be fair I believe they actually do design the plastic part of the tablet. Look at h610p and Deco 01. The only difference is the plastic enclosure, but they even have the same button layout and usb port placement (except Xp used type C) and the plastic enclosure of Xp doesn't bend and squeak.

Their new line of upcoming tablets look sexy AF too.

>> No.4691794

>>4690962
COPE

>> No.4691979

Why is this thread still alive? move here-

>>4691676
>>4691676

>> No.4691983

>>4691711
At least part of their income has to be paid to Japan in taxes. Anything is better than China.

>> No.4691995

>>4691979
Why did you just link to a weird post

>> No.4695162

Bought a Wacom One because I didn't want to get a XP-Pen yet and wanted to get a feel for drawing digitally for a bit.
Plus I don't have the space for a 22r or the new 24 units.

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I've had my kamvas pro 16 for 3 weeks now and I've yet to encounter any problems with it, I don't get the hate. There's the occasional offset when I draw on the edges of the screen or hold the pen in a weird angle but it hasn't really bothered me because I will usually draw in the center area. So far the purchase was worth it for sure, especially for the price.

>> No.4695199

>>4684091
Fitting image for such a Chad post

>> No.4695259

>>4695184
Based
I've been using mine for 4 months so far and have yet to find anything wrong with it.

>> No.4695528

I have a Huion Kamvas Pro 13
This Product has color problems can anyone answer my questions?
When I paint purple colors on the computer screen visible example like
R: 129
G: 0
B: 175
On tablet’s screen purple visible looks more red in my eyes. Like about
R: 185
G: 0
B: 153
I had go to setting’s Color = Color Effect = User = M = HUE from 50 to 20 the purple looks a bit more like the computer screen, but it does make pink looks more like purple instead.
How can I fix it so that tablet’s screen looks exactly like computer screen?
Or is all display tablets (even Wacom cintiq) look like it or only for Huion Kamvas or only for Huion Kamvas Pro 13 or is mine is broken?

>> No.4695535

>>4695528
You need to get yourself a color calibrator like Spyder and calibrate the screen because all screens are manufactured differently even in the same production batch.

>> No.4695578

>>4695535
So the wrong color is my computer not Huion?
I thought it was drawing tablet that is wrong, but when I test my phone the color is more like Huion tablet.

>> No.4695714

>>4695578
It is a mix of your Huion tablet screen and the probably gpu you have. They can both mess each other up while setting up, hence you need a color calibrator to give you an .icc profile for proper display of colours. You can technically eye ball and calibrate it as well, although a colorimeter is more accurate.

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>>4695528
>I have a Huion Kamvas Pro 13
Say no more

>> No.4695754

>>4695714
Maybe I will get calibrator.

>> No.4697274

>>4695528
Wacom actually comes accurately calibrated out of the box. Every other tablet brand requires calibration, unfortunately.

>> No.4697444

>>4695754
I bought one a decade ago for my multiple monitors. They leaned to the bluish side before calibrating. After some trial and error, the screens looked warmer and both looked more consistent.

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Considering getting an xp pen deco (or a display one) cause wacom's been giving me problems. Is xp similarly notorious for having shit drivers, or does it otherwise have any massive problems that I should know about?

>> No.4697902

>>4697842
The xp-pen drivers have been way less trouble for me than Wacom. Only issue I really have with them is their newer styluses have tilt but no rotation, so it acts a little strange. Aside from that they're solid.