/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4687142
>lagPad
>best anything
poo in loo pajeet

>>4687142
>Best portable drawing experience

I like my cintiq 21ux, but the awful resolution kills all the good in it, im selling it soon.

>>4687160
>>4687165
>1st/2nd gen
I don't like Apple either, but those are the shit old models.

>>4687178
Do the needful.

>>4687142
I think making review-like suggestions in the OP is only going to lead to arguing.

It would be better to tackle FAQ from these kinds of threads more generally instead of just making a bunch of suggestions. Maybe review / suggestions could go in something you link to in the OP though so there's more space for the common questions.

>>4687185
I just copied the format of /pcbg/ on /g/. If you have a new format, feel free to post it.

>>4687185
OP is just a street shitter from India paid to shill crapple shit.

>>4687189
Yes, such a shill he recommends people buy iPads used, thereby not giving Apple any money.
Moron.

>>4687193
>yes goy buy the used ones from our most dedicated sheep so they can buy the newest model with the cash
poo

>>4687142
is a 7th gen ipad that bad for drawing?
was considering a s6 lite but the lack of good android apps is killing it for me

>>4687299
>is a 7th gen ipad that bad for drawing?
It depends on how you feel about parallax.
>was considering a s6 lite but the lack of good android apps is killing it for me
But there are good apps? Ibis Paint, Infinite Painter, Krita, Medibang, Artflow, Sketchbook.

What's wrong with them?

We're is the apple general :(

>>4687142
How usable is tilt on the newer XP-Pen tablets?

I know some people really don't like it's tilt, but is it fine for simple shading?

>>4687142
Now is the time to [wait]™

https://twitter.com/XPPen/status/1275374432458948608

4 more days lads.

>>4687461
>super display series
Is this going to replace their pro line?

>>4687333
Yeah it's fine for that. You usually are going to have to tweak your brushes to remove rotation detection and put the direction on tilt instead, it depends on the program mostly. In Corel Painter 19 it works pretty well without alterations to any settings or brushes. In CSP, for example, some brushes will do some tilt when you set them up for xp-pen, but others (like the DAUB CSP sets made specifically for Wacom) require you to set a tilted version of the brush to a hotkey you hold down while drawing to simulate tilt. This can be a pain sometimes since you'll have to move your arm in weird ways or rotate the canvas more to get that optimal angle.

The tilt is alright, I have my doubts about it being a full 60°± range. It could be that the lack of rotation detection is what makes it feel wrong to me though.

If you've never used a Wacom it feels great (according to my friend who never used a drawing tablet before when he tried my xp-pen out) but if you are used to wacom's buttery smooth tilt and rotation it feels janky. Still usable but definitely takes some getting used to due to the lower quality feeling you get from it.

>>4687461
Fuck yeah I get to watch a tablet reveal on my birthday? Nice.

>>4687178
>j-j-just buy the latest model
>it's not a total heap of shit this year
>WE REALLY MEAN IT THIS TIME

>>4687329
Ibis and sketchbook are the best Android apps so far. Medibang is very cluttered, as is krita. It's so hard to work in those even on a larger tablet. I want to like them so much but they really need to sort their shit out and optimize that UI for mobile displays.

>>4687508
Have you tried Artflow and Infinite Painter yet?

>>4687333
I find XPP's tilt much better than my Surface Pro with similar settings in CSP. I can get more nuanced shading with it.

>>4687461
I really hope they improve tilt.

>>4687461
Better not be another 24" with multitouch, I just bought my 24 Pro.

>>4687519
Me too. Maybe even add rotation? That would be my fucking dream come true right there.

>>4687521
Looks to be a portable display tablet that’s thin and can fit in your bookbag.

>>4687573
so its garbage.

>>4687573
Wait, like a standalone tablet or just a super portable screen tablet? Advertising is always kind of confusing with this kind of shit

>>4687573
>What's the name of XP-PEN's new series?
>The "Super Display" series will launch on Jul 3rd
It's a new series.

>>4687579
comment section on the youtube video says it’s too thin to be a mobile studio competitor.
with the way they’re advertising portability, it’s probably a wacom one competitor that can be used with an android phone.

>>4687573
why did they delete that tweet?

>>4687597
Ugh, lame. I want stylus rotation, not a fucking Wacom one / kamvas 13 clone.

>>4687597
Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSiVWqJzRzk

>>4687597
In the thumbnail for the video it looks like he has a laptop open next to it? I'm really not sure just from looking at this, they're being intentionally vague to generate hype, I think.

Most likely it is just a thin display tablet and not a full mobile tablet. And if it *is* a mobile tablet, it wouldn't be something like a powerful tablet PC or Wacom studio alternative, I'm not seeing any fan exhaust on it. It would more likely be something like an Android tablet kind of thing if it were a standalone. I'd be pretty concerned about not having full versions of programs or having enough power to handle large canvases and brushes without severe lag if this is the case.

>>4687594
Yeah, it does say new series which is kind of confusing for me.
I get it if it's a standalone product but a whole product line that's sleeker and more portable than the Artist Pro?
If it's in a similar price range then people are going to get pissed.

>>4687639
The artist pros have been around for 1+ years now so it's to be expected if it's not a standalone. I don't think people would really be pissed about it. Now if they are releasing a 24" in this new line immediately after releasing that new one and for a similar price, wooo, get ready for some fucking Twitter rants

Thinking of getting the Artist 24 Pro while it's 15% of. Anyone know how long sale will last? I kinda want to wait for reviews that huion QHD, but i'm wondering if it's best to just grab the xppen while i can.

Should I get an XP-Pen 15.6" Artist Pro? Or wait for their next wave of display tablets? Also when do display tablets tend to go on sale throughout the year? Will there be a sale soon?

Also has anyone used both the Artist Pro 15.6 and the Cintiq non-Pro 15.6? Which did you prefer?

>>4687711
it's EOFY sale, so you got like.. a day?

>>4687711
Might as well get the Artist 24.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANWe6qJlLh4

Build quality is guaranteed to be better than the Huion at the very least.

>>4687736
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q2tCvdcLII

Aaron Rutten is a Wacom shill, but he's honestly the best source for chinktablet skepticism. He says the Cintiq 16 is clearly better, mainly thanks to the pen and pre-calibrated colors. Then again, parallax doesn't seem to bother him much.

I found a used Cintiq companion 13hd for 150$.
Worth it for the low price or too small?

>>4687754
13" is really cramped unless you work mainly in programs like Autodesk sketchbook or artrage. If you're a Photoshop user or you use something else with a lot of space taken up with UI, fucking forget it, it's hell.

Can you believe Wacom discontinued the Cintiq Pro 13 and 16?

>>4687793
Was the Cintiq 16 Pro really that bad?

>>4687799
It's not discontinued yet guys. But yes it really is bad, they've got a lot of awful QA issues with every one of the new cintiqs.

>>4687142
Is there a single non-wacom tablet that has tilt and rotation?

>>4687810
>It's not discontinued yet guys
can no longer buy them on the wacom site

>>4687142
Is the iPad Pro 2nd Gen worth buying used in the current year? Specs wise it looks like a bigger, better current gen iPad Air.

Is there anything else worth knowing? How is it inferior to the 3rd and 4th gen models?

>>4687858
white spot

Are older Cintiqs like the 22HD and 24HD worth buying used in the current year? Were they manufactured before Wacom started cheaping out on build quality?

Will they even work on Windows 10?

>>4687900
Anything before the era of intuos 4/5 is better build quality but I don't know about windows 10 compatibility with those. Probably will work but it could be buggy because they're going to be running on legacy drivers that don't get updated anymore.

>>4687793
>>4687799
>>4687810

Whats the difference between cintiq and cintiq pro? Do the non pro ones still have QA issues? Was considering buying the 16.

>>4687793
are they launching new 13/16” displays soon?

>>4687936
>Whats the difference between cintiq and cintiq pro?
Go look it up and you'll see. Mostly screen resolution. Ignore the difference in Adobe RGB because it's negligible.

>Do the non pro ones still have QA issues?
Yes. All of them do. They have a tendency to develop dead pixel creep through the entire screen. Among other bullshit that shouldn't be happening.

>Was considering buying the 16.
Probably not the best idea

>>4687160
>>4687165
Is that photoshit? Adobes app is well known to be ass.

>>4687950
My cintiq pro 16 arrives tomorrow, should I be worried? I bought it used

>>4687461
I take it they're not going to fix the strange pressure curve or the high activation force. Even wacom AES is a better experience overall than the current XPpen displays

>>4687988
Should've just got the Cintiq 22 instead
>your monitor's fucking fans turn on
The Pros were a mistake

>>4688005
I have an xp-pen 15.6 pro and I haven't noticed the high activation force thing with mine. It's the same force as my intuos 5. Did some people get broken styluses or something?

>>4687988
No warranty on Wacom products is hell. As the second owner you can't get help if anything goes wrong. I bought a secondhand cintiq 24 and after 2 months it started bleeding dead pixels all over the screen. It would have been in warranty had I been the first owner who registered it. Money out the fucking window.

It's hard to find a used Wacom tablet that hasn't been registered yet because everyone wants the programs that come with it or they know how Wacom is these days and don't want to test their luck.

>>4687644
If its a thin 20+ inch tablet, I'm gonna be REAL fuckin mad. I bought my new 24 because it was the only option that wasn't like, 15 inches, which is way too small for my workspace. I wanted something thin, but nothing above 20 inches actually fits the bill

Bought this...works okay on surface, but burns thru batteries like a crackfiend, every 2 week it seems. Bought Newer surface pen, works for 6 months on one battery.

Now I'm running up on maybe needing a new Portable workpad, keep looking at Ipads, can't pull trigger, Might want Surface Neo, but delayed, and now reports of underpowered product. So Do I buy now or wait for the Neo.

I just updated my wacom drivers and now keyboard combinations I had set to my tablet hotkeys no longer work in csp. stuff like [shift]+[space]. if I press the assigned hotkey it only recognizes [space] now or maybe [shift] immediately before, but not both simultaneously. how do I fix this?

>>4687142
>Artist 24 Pro - Decent large-sized QHD budget option. Worse pen than wacom, and no bonded screen.

Dude where'd you get that bullshit?
The screen is laminated/bonded but not textured (there's film protector)

And the pen is a matter of preference.

>>4687900
No. They might be built like tanks but they are older and have problems like
>non laminated screens and thick glass
>older shittier displays
>non textured and no film protector
>the pens aren't as good
>if used the backlight lamps are likely degraded
>the colors aren't good or accurate

>>4687608
>why did they delete that tweet?

Based chinks must have upset the fat cunts promoting sports and fitnes,

FUCKING LMAO

>>4687173
I have my 21ux hooked to a separate laptop and when I’m ready to color I drop it into my cloud drive and finish it off with the Intuos on a better screen.

>>4687793
>its real
>actually discontinuing $1500 tablet that’s still being advertised for artists
Damn, what’s going on with Wacom?

>>4688312
>13 and 16" 4k displays
That's just a stupid fucking product that costs too much and isn't good.

It's fucking tiny dude like a laptop, who the fuck wants to draw like that? It's not a great portable option and an awful stationary option it just sucks.

So from everything I'm reading up to this point there is nothing good with display tablets at this point and we should all move back to the regular tablets until someone gets their shit together?

>>4688398
No display tablets are objectively superior. Larger screen, more shoulder motion.

>>4688401
then what the hell do I buy for the best experience

>>4688403
an ipad duh lmao who needs desktop tablets when you can get the best animu coom drawing experience on the go

>>4688403
Cintiq Pro 32. If you're poor a cintiq 22.

>>4688403
Huion Kamvas. Once you get all the kinks sorted out ofx.

>>4688418
Actually I have an Ipad (gen 2) but it's a 10 inch screen. I was thinking of upgrading to the biggest one on the market.

It's just I like the idea of having a big screen to work with. Anyone have the newest ipad with the magic keyboard thing?

I have an Ipad Pro 12.9 3rd Gen, Wacom cintiq 16 (non-pro) gave it to a family member, Wacom cintiq Pro 24 which I currently use with the Wacom ergo stand.
Wacom cintiq 16 is not shit, and it actually feels great to write on, has the right amount of friction and a little bit more than the cintiq 24 pro which was harder glass since it spread out wider. If I were getting a tablet again, I would not consider the Wacom cintiq 16 pro specifically because the size of the wacom cintiq 22 would probably be better for workflow options. On the 16 non-pro I had the inconvenience of running out of room on the borders of photoshop to arrange my workspace.

Reminder that portable tablets should have functionality to act as display or non-display tablets as needed, and display tablets should have functionality to act as non-display tablets as needed, if they haven't already. There's no reason why such a functionality shouldn't exist.

>>4688641
I'm genuinely curious, when you would want to use a cintiq as an intuos?

>>4688662
with older models like the 12wx the screen gets really dim with time, and contrast goes to shit, maybe then? that was my case at least, used it as a screenless for several months with the good old paper sheet over the glossy screen for maximum comfort.

>>4687573
>>4687639
>>4687644
The pro models aren't on discount so this has to be a separate line.

Should I get the wacom cintiq 22 or 16? Or something else?

>>4688194
>Dude where'd you get that bullshit?
>The screen is laminated/bonded but not textured (there's film protector)
Based retard:

https://www.storexppen.com/buy/artist-24-pro.html
>Is the screen bonded like the 12 pro?

>Thanks for your inquiry.
>The screen of Artist24pro uses a new technology that has the same performance as a full-laminated screen with almost no parallax.
>If you have any other questions, please feel free to contact us.

>Is the screen laminated to minimize the gap between the pen-tip and the screen surface?

>Thanks for your inquiry.
>The screen of Artist24pro uses a new technology that has the same performance as a full-laminated screen with almost no parallax.

>>4689002
Depends on your preference. If they're on discount, go for it.
There will be parallax, which means there's a gap between where your nib touches the tablet and where the cursor appears on screen. Also the panel isn't the best quality.

Every single display tablet has QC issues, including the high end Wacoms. At least with these Cintiqs you're paying less. Try to get one used if you can.

>>4688126
> 2020 still using stylus with battery
> surface for drawing
> surface neo for anything

It must be nice having so much money common sense becomes optional

>>4688398
>>4688403
Wacom has the best experience. The problem is horrible quality control, and tablets are likely to break within 6 months-2 years.
For art/design businesses, replacing or repairing a broken tablet is just one of many expenses. For an independent artist on a budget, it's really rough.

If you want a large tablet, I'd just look at the lower end Cintiq 22 used (or on discount if possible). The XP-Pens are also worth looking at if you don't mind having a worse pen, and inaccurate colors if you don't calibrate.

Having a large 20"+ tablet is good to have so you can draw efficiently with your shoulder. Won't get that on an iPad.

>>4688169
Go back to the last driver you used. That's the only way to fix problems with Wacom drivers.

Figured it's worth mentioning that the Surface Pro 1 and 2 use Wacom digitizers, not N-Trig.

They're still not great with their 2014 battery life and somewhat slow specs, but they're a decent portable option if you don't want to give up on a good screen.

opinions on pic related? need something cheap

So, I've got a general question about tilt functionality in graphics tablets.

With my current tiltless tablet, I can only hold the pan at a single angle for proper calibration. Using any other angle causes my cursor to be fairly off-center.

I drew a quick diagram in mspaint to try and show what I mean. The triangles are the position of my pen nib, and the red spots are what my tablet registers when I use that angle.

Does buying a tablet with tilt avoid this, or is it just a fact of all drawing tablets?

>>4689200
Get a deco pro instead.

>>4689222
What brand of tablet do you have? The drift from tilting depends on where the coil in the stylus sits, in Wacom it's very close to the nib which reduces this drifting, and in other brands it's much higher up in the stylus (probably due to patents), giving them more drift on tilting.

>>4689237
Gaomon, basically like any other low-budget Wacom clone. I'm just curious if anyone can confirm a specific tablet or brand in which this doesn't happen.

>>4687178
i have the first gen model and i don't have any issues.

>>4689200
Huions have one serious problem it's Micro usb.
Anon had a loose port in the next thread, I had a loose port too, never buy anything with a cheap chinese micro usb.

get Deco 01 or Deco Pro they come with Usb-C and don't have this issue/

>>4689066
No dumbshit, this has been over the past few years. I'm wondering which direction to step next so I can plan ahead. iPad doesn't seem to tickle my scrot like the rest of you, and a new Cintiq feels well out of my budget now.

>>4689231
it's twice as expensive, what makes it better?
>>4689267
good to know, thanks. i think I'm willing to take that risk though if there's nothing else wrong with it

Can you use a display tablet on a laptop or is investing in a pc a better idea?

>>4689322
You can if you absolutely need mobility and the connection ports are there but a desktop pc is a better overall setup.

just got this one today. lets see how is xp-pen bros.

>>4689421
Do some tests. Let us know how the line quality is. Let us know if the shortcut buttons and wheel are useful.

>>4689259
Yeah only Wacom because of how the stylus is set up.

>>4689322
That's what I do but I also already had a gaming laptop that can handle working on huge photoshop files with big brushes. It's probably cheaper to buy or build a PC

>>4687858
Anyone?

How necessary is it to calibrate the displays on an xp pen or huion? Are the pre-calibrations really that bad?

>>4689518
Oh yeah they're bad. With xp-pen all greys and whites are a shade of pink. Thank God I already had a color calibrator

>>4689512
can't speak for the newer ones but i have a 2nd gen ipad pro 12.9 and it's still going just fine.

>>4689424
After some test i was dissapointed and regret the buy but that is now joy. Just a small check on the settings and this tablet become a monster.

The tablet is pretty solid, the surface have this "sticky" feel when you draw, that give you more precision in your lines. im not a fan of buttons but these are great and the wheel, oh god i can change the size of the brush or rotate the drawing really easy.

there is no lag while drawing and is compatible with a lot of software, best thing is that you can create different configs for different programs what is a blessing.

pencil is good, it dosnt have the button on top like other tablets but to be honest, i never use that. is a bit thick but nothing uncomfortable and i have small hands.

for 130 usd for the medium, i can say that this tablet is a better version of the intuos. there is no excuse for not having this thing, the small is just 100.

Double tab to erase Is so unnatural

>>4689796
> Just a small check on the settings and this tablet become a monster

so what's the magical setting that went from 'regret' to 'monster'?

Hi

I'm a beginning shitter and have been practicing somewhat more consistently the last few weeks on paper. My pencils feel like shit on the paper so i've been using a pen. I've been thinking about getting a drawing tablet but am not sure how much i'm wanting to spend for it. I'm not looking to become a professional artist its just something I want to do as a hobby.
I'm interested in getting a tablet that has a display on it. I'm also interested in a tablet that could be used on the go without my computer (though I'll more than likely mostly be doing it while on my computer, so it isn't necessary to me if I could use it on the go)
I'm not really sure where to go for whats good and what to avoid. I just know the name Wacom from some people I know and someone recommended me the XP-PEN Artist12 Pro.

I genuinely don't know shit about these things and am willing to hear out any suggestions for this stuff. I definitely don't really want to spend 1K or more of a tablet and was thinking 400 USD would be my price peak (which i think is too low if i want something that i can take on the go).

>>4690030
The cheapest possible portable tablet would probably be an old business laptop that has a pen display. They'll run you a couple hundred bucks last I checked, and it won't interface with a desktop PC without something like onedrive, but it's what I used as a newbie.

If you'd prefer a bona fide tablet that isn't portable, go for one of the 15-16 inch tablets on Amazon. I personally have a Gaomon PD1560, and while there are some minor issues with all of the budget tablets out there, $300 for a Chinese clone is a pretty good value considering the Wacom equivalent will likely run you over $1000.

>>4689847
Oh, the new iPad pencil? You can set that double tap to another function can't you?

>>4690030
I know xp-pen is coming out with a new and more portable version of those screen tablets, maybe wait until the 3rd when it releases to see if thats a good option for you? Would suck to buy a 12 pro when theres something right around the corner that might meet your needs better.

>>4690048
>>4690074
I'll keep both of these in mind, especially waiting it out a few days to see whats to be released. Thanks lads.

>>4690030
Right now, the good options are:

Samsung Galaxy Tab S6 Lite - Great value, very solid drawing experience on top of being a multimedia device. Android doesn't have the best app ecosystem for drawing, but it's improving.

Used iPad 7 + used Apple Pencil - Better pen than the Galaxy, but no bonded screen which means parallax (there will be a gap between the tip of the pen and the pixels on screen). Better drawing app ecosystem than Android.

Wacom One - Not a multimedia device like the above two, but it's designed for use on the go and it's the biggest option for that at 13". You can connect it to an Android Phone for use in programs like Krita. Can also be used as a pseudo PC monitor with DeX (assuming you have a Samsung phone). No bonded screen so there's parallax.

Also as others said, XP-Pen announcing something similar to the Wacom One, but probably more affordable. It will have a worse pen though.

>>4687142
>>4687142
I got fired and I have about 400 - 500 dolars that I want to spend on a tablet preferably with display.
I live in a shithole (Mexico) and as the quarantine continues I wanted to stop thinking about making it and actually doing it.

I saw a 10.2 Ipad at 300 dollars and the pen is another 90 or so.
Should I just go for it?

>>4689941
the default preassure levels are kinda fucked

>>4690108
Maybe but any program that's worth using on these is going to cost you a subscription fee every month

>>4690104
Wacom one sucks ass. I returned mine.

>>4690108
See the top two options here >>4690104

If you go iPad, I recommend buying used. Galaxy s6 lite is also a very nice option.

>>4690108
Is the cartel coming for you?

>>4690207
I know but I think the drawback is minor if its just a small fee.

>>4690210
I´m still looking for used ones but no still no luck. From all the options seems like the Ipad is still the better one and I heard too much shit about wacom one to even consider it.

>>4690211
:(

>>4690223
Are there any used xp-pen tablets there? That's probably the cheapest knockoff you should go for if you're looking at screen tablets.

>>4690223
Didn't say Wacom. You should look at the Galaxy s6 lite though.

>>4687160
That looks like someone turned streamline (stabilizer) on max on the budget model just to make a shit video.

>>4687299
I used the models with parallax in stores and had no issue. I'm used to laminated displays also. The parallax is pretty negligible imo, but you're going to want to go to a Best Buy or Apple Store yourself.
Just be mindful that the models are fucked around on all day so they might feel tacky or the nibs might be worn down. It's a thing I've noticed at Apple Stores specifically, I guess kids play with them a lot.

>>4690108
>>4690223
While iPads hold their own by themselves, they work best when paired with a MacBook via Apple Sidecar. If you already have a MacBook then definitely go for it, but if you don't then things get a little complicated here.

>>4690252
Unfortunately that's how it is with long brush strokes and large brushes with stabilizer off. :( With the long brush strokes that's not really applicable to most artists but the big brushes.. oof.

>>4690274
Sidecar sucks ass why the fuck would you ever suggest that

>>4690281
I haven't run into that issue, but the lowest specced model I used was the gen1 pro 9.7. I think it has the same stats as the first ipad that could handle a pencil though?

>>4690287
What the fuck is something wrong with my iPad then??? Why does it do this

>>4690108
if you're going to do it for art, don't go for the regular ipad. The air and pro lines have the hardware while apple decided to keep the regular ipad at bottom tier.

>>4690207
procreate isn't a sub
affinity photo and designer aren't subs
art studio pro isn't a sub
sketchbook is free
medibang is free
adobe sketch, draw, and fresco are free

>>4690259
my number one tip (aside from wiping down the screens and pens before you touch them) is to close all the apps that are open in the background. There are usually 20 apps/13 games running due to random kids.

>>4690281
hmm, my 2nd gen ipad pro doesn't have this problem

>>4690284
How are the alternatives?

Duet display pro?
Air display?
Easy canvas?

I want something that works on windows

>>4690337
What the fuck is wrong with mine then because this shit is fucking killing me :(

Are there any good display tablets with vesa mounts that aren't Wacom? I want to mount a 15-16" to an ergotron arm but none of them seem to be compatible. The cintiq 16 is, but you have to buy the $120 stand just to unlock the mounting plate, fuck that.

Do you guys think that a protective screen is essential for your tablet?

>>4690531
If you're using a tablet with a glossy glass panel, you may want to invest in a matte screen protector for a more paper like feel. Otherwise you can just get used to drawing on a slippery surface.

>>4690338
Tried Easy Canvas on a 2nd gen iPad Pro 12.9 with my pc, and there were some noticeable lag. I’d wait for an iPad with usb 4 first before committing to use one as a Cintiq replacement.

As a standalone drawing device though, the iPad is really good.

>>4690594
>usb 4
Speaking of which, I wonder why Apple never went with Thunderbolt 3 on the iPad Pros. Would have been a nice touch.

>>4689512
I jumped into digital art by buying an ipad pro 2nd gen 10.5 and Ive made alot of art with it in the last year. Its still going strong but I will probably replace it with the new 2020 ipad at the end of the year for christmas probably.

I liked drawing with the 2nd gen pro and the apple pencil 1. It was a pretty nice experience WHEN the ipad and pencil had battery ( greater than ~45%). Once the battery went down though, it was seriously really annoying to draw with.

>>4690289
when you say 2nd gen your talking about 2nd gen ipad pro right? I got that one and my ipad would do this sometimes in procreate.

to fix it I would either usually make sure all apps are closed, clsoe out of procreate and reopen usually fixed it. or sometimes my ipad was hot and i'd have to step away for a few minutes ( this pissed me off). More than likely though it was because my battery was getting low on either my ipad or pencil. Also Ive heard that as your procreate library gets bigger that might be an issue too ( might be spreading lies with that one, but my procreate library is pretty big now so idk it could be true)

>>4690530
I think some of the Xp-pen displays are VESA mountable. Maybe some huion as well? You're going to have to look around at the individual models since it varies, I think it's usually going to be the 20"+ tablets that are going to have this.

if I don't care much about the power of the iOS apps, is the Galaxy Tab a better choice due to it being EMR?

Especially now with the 12.9 inch tablet coming out soon

>>4690689
at this point it's pretty much down to whether you are a mactoddler or into fagdroids.
ios is still a bit more polished with procreate, affinity and all that shit, but the tab will be there very soon.

>>4690607
Because they went with USB C. The end game of USB4 should be to unify both standards and have a truly universal port.

That being said I’m more hoping for a 15 inch iPad Pro. 12.9 although manageable, is just a tad too small for my needs.

>>4689286
>it's twice as expensive, what makes it better?
bump

>>4690759
I meant why they went with USB-C instead of Thunderbolt 3.

>The end game of USB4 should be to unify both standards and have a truly universal port.
>Thunderbolt 4 gets announced a few months later
So much for that, eh.

>>4690837
Oh. Better build quality, drivers, drawing experience, and tech support that wants to solve problems not tell you they don't exist and blame you for it when they sent out a busted tablet.

>>4690902
thank you :)

>>4688312
They need to improve the fucking cable management, you need to connect a cable on BOTH sides of the tablet and have a gpu with a usb c port just to get 4k.

>>4690740
Android has krita beta

>>4688312
They need to make some new Pro display tablets with no screeching fan, rampant dead pixel issues, maybe a little cheaper to compete with the chinese. And probably make touch standard.

>>4687142
Considering selling my Cintiq 13hd for about 250~300 bucks and putting the money towards a Cintiq 22(non pro). Thoughts? I'm fine with paying for a new one

>>4689222
My XP-Pen has this which drives me crazy. Can Huion-bros confirms if they also have it?

Are there any decent non-wacom tablets that work alright on linux?

>>4691163
I'm afraid this is just the nature of drawing on the screen.
You thought you could actually touch the pixels? WELL NO FUCK YOU, there's like an inch of space between the sensor and the magnetic coil inside the pen.

>>4691163
Try calibrating with your stylus sitting at your natural drawing angle, it helps.

>>4691456
Yeah I'm 99% sure Wacom still has an active exclusive patent on that shit. Their exclusive rights on EMR died off which is why we have batteryless pens now. Only a matter of time before we get proper stylus builds too.

By the way, if any of you guys are interested in how tablets work and some of the hardware differences between Wacom and Huion, I found these teardown videos really interesting. It's a little dry and some of this shit totally went over my head, but this shit is really informative and kind of cool.

https://youtu.be/nPab7pbOhBY
https://youtu.be/j4AKwJERxOw

>>4691565
The natural angle is fine. It fucks up whenever I change the angle, like when drawing horizontal lines.

>>4691607
Calibrating it at your natural drawing angle instead of pen 90° to the screen should help with that problem is what I'm saying.

>Got my camvas pro 13 in the mail
>The metal rim around the tablet gathers voltage and gives me electric shocks
wtf, chinaman
I imagine soldering a wire to the rim and connecting the other end to my radiator would get rid of the shocks, but I'm worried about what this problem does to the longevity of the tablet...

>>4691653
You need to tell support about that and send that fucker back for a replacement ASAP. That tablet is going to short out and fry itself.

>>4691580
>Yeah I'm 99% sure Wacom still has an active exclusive patent on that shit. Their exclusive rights on EMR died off which is why we have batteryless pens now. Only a matter of time before we get proper stylus builds too.

No and no. Wacom has literally no patents left and they suffer all the same issues.
There is no magic.
The reason Appfags claim they don't have this problem is because the pen tip is humongously fat and they have no idea where the contact point is, they just can't see it.

>>4690689
The Samsung s-pen has a shit button, but if you get used to it, the drawing experience is fine.

>>4691138
Why not just get the new QHD XP-Pen? Artist 24 Pro.

>>4691598
very interesting
doesn't huion have batteryless pens too now?

>>4691676
What are you talking about? Did you even do your research on this? Obviously not because a simple search for their active patents shows that you're talking out of your ass.

Design patents last 15 years after the granted date and can be extended, usually around 5 years at a time, though this requires review from the government. Wacom most definitely still has a shit ton of patents that have been filed within that window as well as recently filed and extended patents for the shit I'm talking about. They probably forgot about or couldn't get an extension on EMR tech which is why the chink shit has been copying that lately without getting a big fat lawsuit.

Source:
https://patents.justia.com/assignee/wacom

Also, just FYI, apple pencil tech is very different from a regular drawing tablet, hence the fat nib.

>>4691725
Yes but the huion stylus sends a much simpler kind of signal back to the tablet (I think it's a sine wave that grows or shrinks based on pressure from the soft nib and one dedicated part of the wave for side buttons), whereas wacom's stylus sends back a lot more information and it's organized really well with dedicated sections of the wave for a TON of shit, making it easy for the tablet to pick up accurate position, tilt, and rotation. Not to mention, Wacom isn't a soft nib (nib presses directly on the shielding for the coil) it's some kind of hybrid semi-soft nib.

>>4691127
Wacom don't need to do anything. Their biggest market are professional businesses who will never use anything else because of industry standards.

In 2015, Wacom moved their manufacturing to China, started using cheaper parts, reduced the length of the warranty and increased the prices. For businesses, they just pay for repairs or new tablets altogether.

How big of an upgrade is the 3rd gen iPad Pro over the 2nd gen version? Like, besides the slimmer bezels and new pen, are the performance differences in Procreate significant?

>>4687142
I have never had a Drawing Tablet (or any kind of tablet), but i am planning to buy one. I am on a small - medium budget. What would you guys recommend my first tablet to be?

>>4687736
on reddit one of the users said not to buy the pro 15.6” because the new tablet series will have a 15.6 model

>>4690531
I'm torn on this one. Since I use an iPad the screen is slippery, plus it displays images and I'd like to protect it. But adding parallax, matte texture to wear down nibs, or the middle ground option of a cheap plastic film that'll give a worse texture... Not sure there's really a good option.

>>4691952
It depends what you're after.
Portability? Samsung Galaxy tab s6 lite or used iPad pro 2nd gen.
Something that connects to your PC? Xp-pen artist 15.6 pro or cintiq 16 (non pro).

Keep in mind every single display tablet that connects to a PC has quality control issues.

How the hell do I get the menu settings on the Huion 13 to show up? It randomly pops up on the rare occasion but disappears after a few seconds. The colors on my tablet are extremely over-saturated and it makes finding color mistakes among other things very difficult to spot.

>>4691952
Wacom intuos pro medium. Xp Pen Deco Pro. Xp Pen Star 05. Huion HS611. Huion HS610. Check those out.

>>4691958
Lmao I literally just got mine a month ago. RIP.

>>4690322
>>4690274
>>4690237
I looked for other options and it turns out I can build myself a fairly decent PC and use some my old wacom intuos. Although initialy I reallt wanted the display part I think this might be better overall.

Any ideas on minimal requirements and a resource on to how to get rid of the dissonance between hand and eye?

i have the wacom cintiq13hd and trying to look for a basic drawing app where i can draw on transparent surface to put on merchandise.

any ideas?

>>4692048
Anything.
Krita, CSP, Photoshop, maybe even SAI can all do that.

>>4691992
thanks i am gona check'em

>>4692023
Generally speaking you don't need a BEASTLY machine, but most of the software might not play well with AMD (I know because I bought a beastly AMD machine), they either prefer single thread performance or really hate amd GPUs.

I would suggest something like
>some i5 cpu + a chunky cooler
just for the quiet (you don't sound like an overclocker)
>16 gigs of ram will be fine.
Preferably fast ram, but don't overpay for the extreme shit.
>Nvidia GTX 1660 or maaaaybe 2060 super (or a used 1070)
This would be enough for any 2d needs and play nice with any popular software

A good monitor
HP Z27 and BenQ PD2700U are remarkably good deals.
But if 500$ is too steep for you look for monitors with good color space and back light uniformity (I know finding monitor benchmarks is hard)

>>4691975
what i really want is a tablet wich let me do really fine brushwork or lining, whithout lagging or making the lines pixelated. Sorry if you have a hard time catching my drift, english is not my native langauge.

Can you upgrade the ram on a companion1?

Been using deco pro small I got the other week, first time with a drawing tablet and really even trying to draw at all. 0 talent scrub. But this tablet is real nice. Has linux support and just works pretty much. I'm not having as hard a time getting used to it as I thought I would. I in fact enjoy it more than drawing directly on a paper/screen as now my hand isn't covering what I'm drawing. Maybe because I played a lot of games growing up with a mouse, I have no trouble using a screenless tablet. That's the end of my blog for anyone considering one of these.

>>4691993
They’re letting Teoh showcase the tablet after the livestream.
Only thing he can talk about it is that he says it’s very thin.

>tfw huion hates lefties

>>4692341
They have this >>4689200 and you can flip it

>>4692347
how likely am I gonna accidentally hit one of those numbered buttons? I like that they're separated from the drawing area in the newer model

>>4692349
>how likely am I gonna accidentally hit one of those numbered buttons? I like that they're separated from the drawing area in the newer model

Just disable them and forget they ever existed.

>>4692361
they'd be really useful as media keys and such though
oh well, I'll probably learn to not accidentally hit them over time

Looking at craigslist for a tablet, never owned one before. Is a new-condition Wacom intuos pro medium for $250 a good deal? I'm not seeing it below the mid-$300 range elsewhere.

>>4692454
Get a large.

>>4692454
The $300 range is close to what they go for brand new. If it's still brand new or is very lightly used $250 is alright, if it's a really old model or beat to shit you should haggle it down.

>>4692370
It's not too bad you just have to get used to them or disable them.

>>4692719
Large intuos pro is a fucking meme.

>>4692795
Completely unopened yeah, apparently some kid didn't like his birthday present.

>>4692274
nope

>>4692808
Then it's good for $250

>>4690210
>>4690104
I'm about to pull the trigger on the Samsung TAB S6 lite but my shithole country is selling $167 more than if I buy it from abroad. And if I buy it from abroad, it will be also taxed by customs when it arrives. $167 is already a plane ticket where I can buy it cheaper but the hassle of the virus isn't worth it.
Third world shithole life is unfair bros, I'm so fukin sad.

>>4693045
Well, it sucks but at least you'll have a nice tablet

>>4693059
I'll just continue drawing on my small screen phone for now. Fak.

>>4687142
Is this stuff really all you have to do to keep an Xp-Pen screen from scratching? Do you guys follow this advice? How often do you clean your screen tablet?

>>4693100
How hard is too hard?

>>4693100
>>4693101
How often should you clean your tablet? How often do you do it? And when do you change the nib?

So this... is the power... of Huion...

Whoa...

I might need to upgrade from my companion soon. What's a good PC to go with a Cintiq 22?

>>4693154
Buy the product, anon.

>>4693154
jfc
i thought china was filled with top quality digital artists willing to work for peanuts. couldn't they really find anyone better?
or is this just fan art?

>>4693169
>What's a good PC
For pen display tablets, desk space is more relevant than PC.
Software should dictate how good your PC should be.

Anyway, Cintiq 22 is decent if you want a somewhat affordable large tablet. It's full HD on a 22" display so the pixel gap will be real. The screen isn't bonded so there will be parallax. It's Wacom so chances are you will have problems down the line. That being said, you will get the best pen available in this price range.

>>4693182
>It's Wacom so chances are you will have problems down the line.
Is there any better alternative out there? Huion has never worked well for me.

>>4693154
Haha, even without the Huion logo, why is it so easy to tell this was drawn by Chinaman?

>>4693154
If this is official promo art, then it's the worst possible choice. Not good enough to amaze, but not bad enough to make /begs/ think "hey, I could do that too!"

Someone redpill me on non-wacom tablets. Thinking of getting either the Huion Kamvas 13 or the XP pen 15.6 pro.

>inb4 buy wacom

I'm poor.

>>4693187
>why is it so easy to tell this was drawn by Chinaman?
...because they all look chinese?

>>4693185
No, they're unironically all trash in terms of quality control. The pen display market is entirely manufactured in China these days. That's why it's an especially bad idea to buy a cintiq pro.

If you want reliability, I'd look at a Samsung Galaxy or a used iPad pro. Unfortunately it means you're stuck with a smaller display.

>>4693191
So? You don't think western artists ever draw Chinese characters?

Probably an incredibly autistic question, but what's the point in expensive non-display tablets? I understand that they're bigger, have buttons and better pen pressure, but why spend $500 on it, by that point just buy a cintiq/display tablet?

>from cheapskate whose always used the cheapest tablets wacom has to offer

>>4693190
Xp pen are getting better, but expect poor results from tilt and rotation due to an inferior pen. Also, Huion is trash.

>>4693196
Cintiqs are still far more expensive and have worse qc.

The intuos pro has the best pen available. If you do a lot of tilt shading, it's a far better option than any xp pen

>>4690875
Oh, Thunderbolt is an Intel creation, so they need to license it if they want to integrate it in their Apple Silicon processors, which was why they went with USB C.

>>4693196
Depends on your style, I have both and a non display tablet can be used well for cartoony styles, quick/simple styles. Or photo editing. If you have patience to learn them then they can be used at the same level as a cintiq.

also the intuos 3 will always be the cheapest and most reliable non screen tablet at only $100 for a pen and tablet used.

What should I get? I ordered the Wacom One, but my order got delayed twice, now I'm looking at the Cintiq 16 and Gaomon PD2200. Any other comparable tablets in that range?

>>4693190
xp pen is releasing a new 15.6 displau tablet in just a few days

I was thinking of buying this iPad Pro 3.

How significantly will scratches like this impede drawing performance?

>>4694485
whats the price? it isn't in the middle of the screen, i bought a brand new ipad pro 3rd gen for 820 off ebay about 4 months ago

>>4694493
The current bid is about $600 USD but I expect it will go up with 12 hours left in the auction. I am just wondering if a scratch like that is noticable when drawing, or if a screen protector negates it.

Reminder that Wacom intentionally nerfed their pen nibs to force you to buy more often.

>>4694512
If it goes any higher than 650, reconsider. You can get brand new for 800~ now. That scratch might not matter to you at first but itll annoy you eventually. Also if it's used then it could potentially have over a thousand hours of use. Those machines deteriorate with battery recharging so that'd be enough for me to not get it and just save up enough for brand new.


>>4694533
I bought spare wacom nibs and will never need them. If you're running through these new ones and have to complain about buying them, then youre pressing too damn hard on your equipment.

>>4692229
I was wondering about the monitor. I´ll use a cheap one while I get the right one.

Do you think 16 of ram is mininum or I can get away with 8?

old cintiqs vs new cintiqs (non-pro); which do you prefer?

asking because I have to choose between getting my 22HD repaired vs replacing it.

>>4691984
please reply

>>4694617
If the drivers still work, just repair your 22HD, assuming it costs less (which likely won't be the case if you're expecting Wacom to). Otherwise, look for a used Cintiq.

>>4694557
>If it goes any higher than 650, reconsider. You can get brand new for 800~ now. That scratch might not matter to you at first but itll annoy you eventually. Also if it's used then it could potentially have over a thousand hours of use. Those machines deteriorate with battery recharging so that'd be enough for me to not get it and just save up enough for brand new.
I live in Australia and this is not the case. Used iPad Pro 3rd gen goes for a minimum of $1150 AUD with 64gb, which equates to roughly $800. You cannot buy them brand new anymore.

>>4692229
AMDs single thread performance is on par with intel these days and you definitely don't need such expensive GPUs for drawing

>>4694810
I have a 2700X plus vega 64 and CSP is literally fucking dead for me. It doesn't work correctly. Most software works great, the cpu is a beast in blender and under linux. But sometimes some things just aren't optimised for AMD, because the GPUs just aren't popular and their CPU arch is really fucking novel.

A gpu for ps better have 8gigs of ram. That's modern LOW END, a 1660 and 2060 are literally the cheapest gpus Nvidia currently makes.

>>4694582
>Do you think 16 of ram is mininum or I can get away with 8?

I tried drawing a comic in Photoshop and 8 gigs just hit the wall with a 10k by 6k size canvas. it just takes up the entire ram and stops working.

I would strongly recommend 16 gigs.

>>4694824
>8 gigs of vram
whatever you say man

>>4694533
The old Intuos pro pen works in the newer cintiqs if you want to use up your old nibs. Also you'll never need to change a nib anyway, maybe once a year at most.

>>4694418
P-please respond

>>4694418
>I ordered the Wacom One
why?

>>4695189
It didn't seem much worse than the 16 other than the pen. I've already canceled the One and ordered a 16 since the One is STILL out of stock.

>>4695194
that looks so cheap, even the art is somewhat bland

>>4695194
Looking at the specs, it's just a slightly better Artist 15.6 Pro with a sexier design.

>>4695279
>even the art is somewhat bland
Retard.

>>4687501

Happy birthday in advance

I can get a used Cintiq 27QHD touch for $728 with the ergo stand included. Should I pull the trigger?

How real is the parallax? Also are the quality control issues severe? How common is it for them to stop working?

>>4695600
WHAT
THE
FUCK

>>4695194
>$500
damn, thought it would be a bit cheaper than that

>>4695600
There is probably a good reason whoever is selling it to you at that price.

>>4695664
I already have an XP pen 12, is there any real improvement with this is? Doesn't look like the pen offers tilt so this seems meh as an upgrade.

>>4695941
it says supports tilt function so I assume it actually does

>>4695944
Oh shit wow, completely blind this morning. I looked at the pen itself and thought nope. Thanks anon.

>>4695664
>only 16" size
Thank god the 22r is restocking this weekend.
I wasn't too keen on hearing the key selling point was making it thinner but if people are truly traveling with it then they could use that but a thin tablet at home is kinda pointless to me. You need something hardy and resilient. Its pretty not practical, specially since there's no new features other than it being thin. Its better to get a 15 Pro for 100 less.

>>4695194
>>4695664
I'm seeing a close color gamut and same brightness level as the cintiq pro 16 but it's hd instead of qhd.
They launched the Artist Pro 24 at a discount sale so the same might happen for this one.
I'll hold off on getting an Artist Pro 16 and go for this when its on sale.
Not sure why they advertised it was super portable when it doesn't appear to have android phone connection.

>>4695941
1200:1 Contrast ratio (compared to old models 800:1). The pen has tilt. They haven't added rotation still. I think it's better than the normal pro 15.6 because of the much nicer screen but otherwise it seems about the same.

The thickness of the tablet isn't even my issue with portability though, it's more the size of the damn thing and the fact that I have to plug it in to a power outlet since my laptop doesn't have enough ports.

Also disappointed they haven't done anything with connecting to phones or tablets yet.

>>4695664
Why not just just get a Cintiq 16 for 100 bucks more at that point

>>4696273
It's supposed to be better.

>>4696105
>They launched the Artist Pro 24 at a discount sale so the same might happen for this one.
Tomorrow during the live stream they're giving out a time limited discount code.

>>4696277
Looking at it right now, it's still a worse cintiq. They're closing in on cintiq 16 price but they still haven't got stylus rotation? What the hell. So you're paying $100 less for tilt that acts funny. What an upgrade.

>>4695664
>>4695986
>>4696105

From their marketing material this seems to be an incremental improvement from artist series with the main draw being the fact that it's very slim and fits in the backpack with a laptop.

>>4696287
This plus improved contrast ratio that's actually usable.

>No rotation, only tilt
Pass.

>>4696285
Does cintiq 16 (non pro) support pen rotation? From the posts I can find the default pen doesn't and whether it does with the special 100$ extra art pen is not advertised.

AFAIK Wacon reserve pen rotation for the pro branded products only.

Also the screen is massively inferior and non-laminated.

>>4696296
Every Wacom product since the intuos 4 has supported both tilt and rotation.

>>4696302
>Every Wacom product since the intuos 4 has supported both tilt and rotation.

None of the bamboo/intuos(non-pro)/one etc supported rotation or tilt until very recently when huion got tilt.

Wajews wouldn't simply allow a peasant to use tilt without paying 350$ for intuos pro.

>>4693340
Apple doesn't need a license to use Thunderbolt ports, it already gets to have unrestricted use.

>>4696328
Nobody ever used thunderbolt so intel are giving it away to apple and usb guys for free.

I want to get into digital art, but don´t know where to begin.

>Budget
$1,000 or less
>Location
U.S.
>Type (display? non-display? portable?)
I would like something portable I could draw directly on, since that´s what I´m used to with a sketchbook.
>Size (in inches)
No smaller than 7x10, if possible.
>Other information
It would be used for simpler illustration stuff; I´m not looking into animation or 3D stuff or anything like that.
>Previous equipment
Ink, pens, watercolor, pencil, paper.

Sorry for being a newfag. Any input is appreciated.

>>4696345
Choose between an S6 Lite and an iPad non pro.
The choice is pretty equal and comes down to whether you can tolerate Apple or not.

>>4696356
Begone shill

>>4696376
Do you know any other portable option I didn't list?

>>4696287
>fits in the backpack with a laptop.
can’t the same be said for their other display tablets?

>>4696385
none of them are as thin.
My deco pro is fucking crazy thin and this thing says it's 8mm thick and all metal.

>>4694734
I honestly envy the ones who have easy access to equipment without the hefty local tariff

>>4696309
I should correct that to every Wacom product worth using since the intuos 4 has had it :)

Fuck the poor lmao amirite

>>4696345
Portable as in something you could transport with a laptop, or are you looking for a tablet that will run by itself?

>>4696385
I have the 15.6" pro and it doesn't even fit in the laptop bag for my 17" laptop. It has to have its own big-ass case. With the new one it's pretty close to being 16" total which would fit in laptop bags and backpacks.

>>4696466
A tablet that will run by itself.

>>4696356
Thank you for the suggestions, I'll look into those.

>>4696279
Hopefully the discount will make it $350-400.
I'm interested but the fact there's no reviews and it's a new product makes me hesitant.

>>4696463
Ah so Cintiq 16 isn't worth using now, well that was my point all along.

>>4696345
Yeah either tab S6/lite or an ipad. S-pen and apple pencil are nice and will do the job just fine for someone who wants to be portable and wants to get into digital.

>>4696376
> said by a troglodyte who has used neither

>>4696480
Well the good thing is if you have problems, xp-pen customer service is actually pretty good. I had issues with my tablet and they helped me fix them. My friend had one of their tablets totally dead on arrival and they actually exchanged it and sent a new one out that worked. They're not like huion or wacom in that they send out shit with bad QA and blame it on the customer when they try to claim warranty.

>>4696273
Some people don't want parallax.

>>4696293
>>4696296
>>4696302
Don't you need the ArtPen for rotation on Wacom tablets? From what I understand, the Pro Pen 2 does not support it.

>>4696599
Nope not with all of them.

>>4696345
>Budget
>$1,000
If you're happy to spend the maximum of your budget, either get a used iPad Pro 12.9 3rd gen, or wait for the Galaxy Tab S7s.

>>4696604
>the maximum of your budget, either get a used iPad Pro 12.9 3rd gen
>1200$ pen sold separately for 100$

>>4696602
https://youtu.be/0Q2tCvdcLII?t=1118

>>4696608
umm, sweety?

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l1313.TR11.TRC1.A0.H0.Xipad+12.9+3rd.TRS0&_nkw=ipad+12.9+3rd&_sacat=0

>>4687142
I'm thinking about making my own screen tablet out of a portable monitor screen and a used Wacom tablet to rip apart. Has anyone here done this before?

Was this thread worth it? Should there be a next thread?

>>4696641
Yes there should be. Next tablet containment thread when?

has anyone tried using touchscreen monitors to draw on photoshop? i tried it on a lenovo touchscreen laptop and its a bit laggy, but worked with some third party program installed. not sure if the lag is the monitor response or general cpu gpu specs. wachathink?

>>4696608
refurb/used 3rd gen and pencil for 1200

wtf lmfao where do you live if I may ask?

>>4696681
Lenovo is trash.

Hey guys newbie here . My first draw pad was a wacom bamboo (the silver one) and the lag pretty quickly drove me off.
Im looking to get into a new one and am having trouble deciding on whether I go for the wacom one or check out one of these xp-pen .
Im looking to get into digital animation .
Reading for more information , and i appreciate any advice.

>>4696696
>refurb/used
mmmmm cum crust

>>4696681
>>4696703
The "wacom digitizer" laptops 2 in 1 and tablets other than Samsung suck huge ass.
It works but badly and costs more.

If you want a portable device get a tablet (samsung/ipad) OR a laptop plus a drawing tablet/display.
DO NOT get surface or the likes of it.

>>4696721
>laptop plus a drawing tablet/display.
whats the verdict on the best compact one? the pi touch is cheap though wouldnt know if its good enough to draw on

New thread:

>>4696776
>>4696776
>>4696776
>>4696776

Goodbye old tablet thread

>>4696721
I'm actually waiting for detailed reviews of pic related. But it looks like the 7 pro, which is too expensive for me has only the wacom pen.