/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

how do you get started with doing commissions? how long did you share your art online until you started offering them?
t. 0 experience

>>4674441
Commissions are hard because 50% of the time you
>Don't get paid
>Don't get paid enough
>Client is an ass hole
>Unreasonable requests

If I was seriously wanting to do digital commissions I'd just make sure my style is consistent for them, that you're selling a definitive "product" to people, and that you aren't advertising yourself to desperately "ILL DRAW ANYTHING YOU WANT PLEASE JUST GIVE ME $5" because that's where you'll get the 50% of people that want to take advantage of you.

As for where to advertise that you're doing commissions idk someone else would have to tell you i don't do digital art really. Getting commissions as a traditional artist is a shitshow so I avoid it altogether

Got a crash course on how2tax and invoice/bill people when doing commissions?

>>4674435
ok, brian
how do you make so much money?

>>4674456
If you can get 100% of your money upfront, do it as long as you know you're good for it, but at least 50% upfront is standard business practice, and then 50% when the job's done. Expect to get people that never give you the second 50% and work that into your price.

Don't take commissions above your paygrade, that's a fast track to getting blacklisted. If a guy says "Paint me the mona lisa" and gives you $600 and you draw a stick figure consider your career shot in the foot.

>>4674463
Large quantity, decent quality, affordable prices

>>4674468
what is your price range?

>>4674473
$85-$130 for 16"x20"
$150-$200 for 18"x24"
$250-$300 for 22"x28"
$300-400 for 30"x24"
$900-$1500 for anything larger since I'd end up spending easily $250-$450 shipping something that large

>>4674468
How many painting do you finish a week?
Where are you sourcing canvas and paints from? Michaels? How much does this cost? thx

>>4674435
Remember that doing personal / private commissions off social media is for suckers. Commercial freelance illustration work is way, way more lucrative and the clients are much easier to work with (because they're professionals and generally not morons).

>>4674435

I sold an oil painting for €1000 two weeks ago and I have two other commissions lined up, I'm not impressed.

>>4674486
Canvas I either stretch myself or buy in bulk. An 18"x24" painting costs me about $25 to make, and I sell it for about $175, spend about two hours on each of them, shipping can cost anywhere from $25-$50, eBay takes 10%, paypal takes a percent

All in all I make about $90-$100 per 18"x24" painting, with a payout of about $40 per hour

I produce about 8 or 9 paintings every week of various sizes if I'm productive, 5-6 most weeks

>>4674495
>€1000 two weeks ago
>two weeks ago
>weeks ago
ok

>>4674485
thanks for the detailed answer

>>4674502
yeah, but like what kinds of paints are you using? oils aren't cheap so I dunno how you can make a profit at that price point. wouldn't acrylic be better?

Just get a job and draw for fun.

>>4674526
>>4674526
An order of paint costs about $200, and lasts me about 50 paintings. Traditional being expensive is a meme. Paint isn't diamonds, it's not that expensive. And if it is you can just get student grade which will literally costs you about $45 for a full palette of colors.

Painting is 99% drawing, if you can draw you can paint with anything. You could paint using your shit with the brush between your toes, it's just adding color to drawings.

I just order better quality paints because they feel good to use, I could be using crappier paint if money was tighter, and still sell them for the same price. Cost of materials adds up over time but it's probably just as expensive to do digital art as it is traditional, digital probably costing a bit more depending on what you're buying.

If you want to paint thick, buy cheap paints, if you want to buy more expensive paints, paint really thin and make it last. Either way it doesn't run you that much.

Traditional artists end up spending the most money after a painting sells, either to a gallery (50-60% in some cases) or to ship it somewhere, or the cut the website you're selling it through takes.

The supplies are the supplies, they cost money but so does food, and electricity, and water.

Just lol at drawing for other people and trading your time for money...

You will NEVER make enough or feel creatively rewarded.

Remember when pro artists used to boast about getting paid 2k on a magic card that took them 3 months to finish?

$2000 divided by 3 months of labor and revisions = $125 a week for one of the most highly regarded jobs in the industry..


Thats poverty.


Studio artists dont have it any better.. add work politics on top of photo bashing shitty generic concept art for an AD is as bad if not worse.
Find a way to have your art work for you.. Put it inside a product you can sell over and over. Profit..
Also where did the profits from the screenshot come from OP? Do you have a product youre selling?

If this is just a screenshot from a freelance gig, kinda a weird flex desu

>$2000 divided by 3 months of labor and revisions = $125 a week for one of the most highly regarded jobs in the industry..
What a phenomenally retarded thing to say.

I draw coom shit and I am surprised at how much demand I get. Being paid on average 80$ USD per flat colored piece. Dollars per hour isn't worth it but I'm having fun and getting some good mileage. Waitlist gets longer faster than I can clear it.

just 600$/mo is enough for me
I think my skill is soon gonna reach a decent level to draw lewd cute

>>4674505

The other commissions are going for roughly the same price, just need their finishing touches/glazing layers which should be done in a few days. I don't see you point. Keep drawing your necrotized tits.

>>4674538
Yeah, I've never understood this. Especially if you use a limited palette oil paint is not that expensive. Five 200ml tubes of Student grade paint costs about $100. With turp and linseed oil you hardly need any to cover a canvas. There's probably less than 50 cents worth of paint on an 11x18 canvas.

>>4674551
how long did you share your art online until you started offering commissions?

>>4674435
https://youtu.be/hU_QWcOe0LY

>>4674543
>2k on a magic card that took them 3 months to finish?
absolute kek, if it takes you 3 months to finish a magic card illustration you deserve to be poor

>>4674551
pyw, you would be doing a great favor to many pseudobegs like me that aren't quite sure wheter we are ready to make coomissions or if we still have to grind more Loomis.

>>4674546

Fucking artists at it again hurt by numbers.. imagine a fucking adult with a life spending 3 months of their time to make $2000.

Keep being poor neet phaggot

>>4674561
Please find one artist (that isn’t so talented they don’t even need the mtg money) who can make a piece for magic in less than 1.5 months with revisions?

>>4674543
>Just lol at drawing for other people and trading your time for money...
>You will NEVER make enough or feel creatively rewarded.

THIS. Artists nned to focus on making money off of their old work.

Focus on royalties and merchandise. Make cool IP, books. Sell character designs. Live stream and earn superchat money

It's too dangerous to rely on creating new art for money especially as you get older.

>>4674551
So I always had a question about coom commissioning. Do you guys set up like a separate business account or have some way to make an alias so your name doesnt get attached to coom or do you guys just say fuck it and your name on these things really doesnt impact anything.

>>4674555
Crab

>>4674543
it's sales from paintings I did that sold independent of any marketing, and it was subject matter that I picked myself. Some landscapes, some portraits of friends, mostly nudes I found on the internet that were interesting enough to paint. Nudes are by far the most popular thing I paint, and tend to get people to come back and buy the things that aren't nudes. The nudes are also generally the cheapest, with an occasional one that gets a ton of traffic so I raise the price.

>>4674575
>do you guys just say fuck it and your name on these things really doesnt impact anything.
If you're using twitter, patreon, instagram, or anything that comes with the risk of being "cancelled" (basically anything with a young userbase), then DO NOT ATTACH YOUR NAME TO ANYTHING.

If you're just selling art on etsy or ebay or a gallery most customers are boomers who don't even know what a tweet is, let alone care

Just to clarify from my first post, I'm not bragging. I know I'm still quite early in my learning process. I'm mostly just commenting on my surprise at the amount of demand there has been.

>>4674558
I had people asking for commissions well before I was ready. I posted for a couple months after that and then opened up. I only had around 100 followers at the time. I just posted on boorus up until then. I think you should open coms as soon as you're ready as I've found as long as you give yourself plenty of time for the timeline it's good mileage.

>>4674565
Here is my most recent com: https://twitter.com/rodan_r18/status/1271279430401503233?s=19

There's some horsecocks and stuff farther down my profile just as a warning if you're not about that.

>>4674576

Sure, now I'm a crab. It's hilarious how you can't accept you're nothing special.

>>4674575
I'm >>4674551 and I use a business PayPal account. PayPal knows my info which is annoying, but customers don't.

>>4674571

They will never learn. I dip in and out of this place every few months just to feel depressed at these crabs preaching commissions and industry jobs.

Meanwhile I’m pursuing business tactics so alien to the art industry and making moves to set me up for life before I’m 30.

There will always be workers

>>4674579
I see. Yeah that's what I was thinking. Only just started posting fan art and stuff on twitter recently after gaining a little confidence in my stuff and the coof forcing me to lose my other job.
>>4674586
Thanks anon, good to know. Guess I'll do this if I want to start doing commissions

>>4674589
>crabs preaching commissions and industry jobs.
but sakimichan. but my video game.

>>4674576
Thats very interesting. Good on you for selling things you actually want to paint. Youre halfway there.

If your not already, I would absolutely suggest you start selling prints of your most popular sellers. Instead of selling one offs (if youre not doing this already). That way the signed original can go for 5x or even 10x more.

What site do you sell on if you dont mind me asking? I’d love to check it out

>>4674600
if you look up brcomf-0 my ebay store is the first result on google. I'm going to save prints for if I ever do some independent illustration work, I'm not particularly interested in making prints of my fine arts paintings. It motivates me more to keep creating if I sell bespoke items. My plan is to sell through about a third of my paintings this year (About 65 paintings), and that will give me enough momentum to raise prices and sell double that next year. I'm also 27 though, so this is a long time coming, and a lot of gears moving at once and things falling into place, simply because I have such a quantity of work already from doing it so long.

>>4674599

Just as big of a risk as making a portfolio of shitty drawings you cant resell to get the attention of the same art director 1000’s of other artists want to work for but with the benefit of having a product that you 100% own for the rest of your life.

Keep starving

>>4674612
I’m 26 and I’m currently in the same position on verge of being set up for a long time off of my art.

The absolute golden secret is to make something you put the work into once, that you can sell forever.

You say youre no interested in making print and i respect that but it would be very beneficial to your business down the line.

Lets say year 3 you want to move off of eBay with your fan base and open your own Shopify store of something. Signed, numbered, limited edition prints would be great supplemental income even if its not the main focus

>>4674589
>Meanwhile I’m pursuing business tactics so alien to the art industry and making moves to set me up for life before I’m 30.
so you haven't made it but have watched a bunch of "side hustle motivation" vids on youtube and come here to crab on people actually making money from their art?
toppest of keks

>>4674621
I’m not ruling out the possibility of freelance illustration jobs either, digital or otherwise. The “industry” as it is can be a good place for fine artists to come in and work on small projects to make guaranteed salary. As long as it’s not some crazy three year commitment or something. As long as I get to keep making art I’ll be happy

>>4674629
Imagine assuming an anon isnt making money with his art so you have a valid argument

>>4674643
>imagine boasting about "golden secrets" that have been on skillshare for like 5+ years and pretending to be the jeff koons of 4chan
post your income stats then

>>4674589
>to set me up for life before I’m 30.
>cringey

>>4674621
>The absolute golden secret is to make something you put the work into once, that you can sell forever.

Can you elaborate on this? Creating IPs and then profiting off them?

>>4674708
>Creating IPs and then profiting off them?
he's talking about it in a fine arts context, like selling prints of work, there's a lot of overhead with prints though, and a very small profit margin if you aren't uber popular internet artist (the printmakers take a huge cut). I have no luck getting posts popular on social media (here included) so the odds of me even being able to do that are incredibly low.

>>4674650
“Golden skill share secrets” that have been around forever yet you still wont put them into action? Just lmao

I know by the use of kek youre a product of these forums. I’m not being baited into showing my bank statements to some troll on 4chan

Youre not winning any argument by going against what I’m saying you just look like the typical fucking crab attacking anything that sounds too much like business in the art world. You can keep drawing 1 offs for a one time payment all you want. You will always be a worker. I have nothing to prove here buddy

Inb4 “LoL gOnNa LaUgH aT pOsT aNd nOT aDd AnYThiNG tO ToPiC CuASe I haVe nOtHiNg To AdD”

>>4674688

Lol look at this shit. This is the same mentality of blue collar cucks who hate on kids who goto law school.

In what world is having financial security by 30 something to cringe at?

Are you an actual fckin neet who just functions out of negativity with no clear understanding of where their life is headed if they dont get their shit together?

Sorry to come off harsh but wtf is this post?

>>4674708

What i mean is creating products whatever that is for you it can be anything. Just something you can sell and something that offers value to others..

Look at the products you probably buy:

> art books
> tutorials
> comics
> merchandise of some niche hobby of yours (think a particular art supply like a plies air set or a smudge glove or a shirt for people who build gunpla as a hobby)

You can make any product with your art. I’m not saying the tradition route of commissions and selling a one off drawing is wrong but it’s extremely short sighted.


Would you want to be 50 still doing commissions off twitter or would you want to be 50 with a couple thousand fans of your work who buy every art book you release?

You have to start making a product now and finding that audience

>>4674736
>>4674754
0/10
jesus christ brian, this is really low effort. even for you

>>4674770
I wouldn’t even know what to begin to press to make Japanese characters come out of this keyboard

>>4674769

Look at every successful artist in their later years.

Most of them dont work in the industry like the young guys. They create products.

A lot of young artists are doing the same look at Icarus and the sun. Look at Nathans strange planet comic.

These people arnt outliers that got lucky. They decided to make something for themselves and built it into something with a following and buyers

>>4674769
That's very good advice and I'm surprised more people don't offer it. I've seen countless posts regarding commissions and getting hired at a studio, but few on reasonably profiting off your work.

So once you build up a decent online presence, start offering tangible media you can sell for profit indefinitely.

>>4674736
>hotshot artist with all the answers but never posts work or any proof of what he's saying because he "doesn't want to be associated with this place" or "has nothing to prove because he's always right"

>>4674782
The Crabs here literally shut down this type of advice But the only thing they succeed in doing is exposing their own cognitive bias and traditional art route tunnel vision..

What they dont know is that they’re being sold a lie by the online artists they look up too while these same artist sell them products like tutorials, brush packs, and smudge gloves.

Thats why in this thread I’m so quick to shut down those trying to discredit this option I’m presenting. They dont know what the fuck theyre talking about. Like at all.

You have to approach every piece of art like “how can this make me money 5 different ways”. It HAS to be that serious long term if you wish to be creatively satisfied while not also starving

>>4674814
Thank you. I appreciate that your willing to give this advice despite the crabs

What are the general rules of selling prints/merchandise of fanart? I got a cease and desist from a company for fanart I put on Redbubble that I thought would be covered by parody law.

>>4674576
How do you ship the canvases?

>>4674826
I know where most arts are because i was there at one point and i just want to help in some way that one guy willing to listen and think outside of the group. I was that guy and i dont know where i would be now if I hadn’t had people do the same.. Just paying it forward

>>4674834
Boxes through UPS, you just type the weight and size of the box into eBay and you can print a shipping label on their website (and you get a discount for using eBay). Then just bring it to the post office and it goes wherever, hopefully not across the country. I sold a painting the other day to a guy the town over through eBay randomly and we met up at a Walmart AND I didn’t get stabbed. So business is booming!

>>4674840
Haha! That’s awesome man do you have repeat customers?

Its pretty awesome youre getting traffic just organically from eBay another suggestion would be branding yourself. Could be as simple as putting your water mark signature on the product image and your name in the title so people can easily search you.

Checked out your eBay page at the art is great. Do you think some mock up images of your art could help sales? (Like what society 6 does)

>>4674862
>Do you think some mock up images of your art could help sales?
could you go into more detail about what that means? i'm not sure what a mock-up of my art would be.

>>Brian samefagging and larping this hard

Jesus man get a hobby

>>4674862
also the traffic to my ebay page is stupidly huge, i think because of coronavirus. I can't really explain it.

>>4674871
I mean simply photoshopping your art on a wall for a better presentation. Redbubble and society 6 has a bot that does this for every piece uploaded on the product page. wondering how it would correlate to more sales might be worth a try

>>4674883
>>4674883

All those impressions and the sizable amount of profit you’ve made with just 0.3 conversion. Feelsgreatman.

Its all upside from here man. Build your skills and make more of what sells that you enjoy. Get that sales percentage up to 12% and live like a king

>>4674888
If I had a fucking dollar for every time I've edited an eBay listing. It's so much fucking work to go through 200 listings and change that stuff... The "bulk" edit features on eBay are really lacking in terms of that stuff.

>>4674903
Wasnt talking about changing the listening you have up now but trying it out with new listings. I’m not familiar with ebays community so I’m not sure if they’d even value that lol. Just an idea

>>4674781
Dude please shut the fuck up, Doing commissions and freelance is a valid path to owning your own creative business.

Talking about your grand ambitions as a business owner/financial success is no different from someone having a goal of doing commissions: its actually more cringey because their goal is more immediately attainable.

Chastising people trying to learn to walk before running - flying makes no sense.

>>4674878
This
It really is pathetic, Brian

>>4674754
You made it sound like you wanted to make millions by the time you're 30 and not work a day after

>>4674934
dude if you're gonna larp you could at least change the formatting of your replies to make it look like a different anon.

>>4674934
Ignores when i say doing commissions is valid but short sighted.. ok..

I’m not going to rehash my views on this ive said all ive needed to say.

To equate working on your own stuff and building an audience while alos doing commissions to “Flying before walking” as opposed to just doing commissions is just another form of the tunnel vision traditional art route crab mentality i highlighted above.

The truth is most artists dont have anything they want to make originally. they want to be told what to draw because drawing is all they want. Not creating something of their own, not expanding the scope of their business.

Thats enough 4chan for the month gonna get back to work

>>4674980
good riddance
those limbless, decapitated women won't paint themselves!

>>4674997
Good job!

>>4674997

>>4674980
thanks again

>>4674543
>>4674566
>>4674568
>>4674589
>>4674600
>>4674613
>>4674621
>>4674643
>>4674736
>>4674754
>>4674769
>>4674814
>>4674834
>>4675012
>>4674980
PYW

>>4674980
>Thats enough 4chan for the month gonna get back to work
comes in here to dunk on people then fucks off out of embarrassment, thanks!

>>4675013
Wow that's a really good self-portrait anon
Blog?

>>4674435
>thread about how to make money as an artist
>80 posts
>60 posts of anons fighting

>>4675196

It's really just that one retarded guy that paints poorly done disembodied playdoh tits with the brush up his anus. The jannies are long overdue stepping in.

damn that larping guy was something else

If I price my commissions at insane prices, like $1000 per drawing even though I definitely don’t deserve that much, will people assume my art is good enough for that price and pay for it anyways? Might as well get a few thousand dollar commissions rather than a lot of $25 ones, since it’ll add up to more in the end.

>>4675196

>>4675221
At that price you'd better be real fuckin good

>>4675221
>$1000 per drawing
anon what

>>4675221
Pyw

>>4674556
A painting made with thinned student grade paint is going to look like absolute shit though. Artist grade paint has a much higher pigment load and a little goes a long way, it's worth it.

>>4675347
even with artist grade paints you can get a cheap palette that does what you need it to do.

Yellow Ochre, Alizarin Crimson, Prussian Blue, Titanium White is an easy versatile palette that costs like $100

>>4674543
>Remember when pro artists used to boast about getting paid 2k on a magic card that took them 3 months to finish?

no, you fucking mouthbreathing stupid retard. that's not 3 months of 9 to 5 work on a single magic card. that's 3 months from being commissioned by wizards of the coast, going through revisions, to turning in the finished art. they have multiple projects going at a time. how dumb are you... i doubt you're making any kind of reasonable money from art

>>4675221
probably not. you need to have a brand and track record to demand such prices. if you're just starting out, just ask for the living wage X how many hours you estimate the work will take, plus maybe a small fee if it will take less than 3 hours or something.

>>4675330
1000 dollars a piece is not even a very high price. you realize picasso paintings sells for literally 100s of millions of dollars?

>>4675682
Not him but they didn't sell for that much when Picasso first sold them, that's a consequence of being traded between collectors over time

>>4675701
picasso's net worth was $500 million at the time of his death according to those net worth sites. i don't know how accurate those are but whatever, it seems reasonable. now divide that into the number of finished works he sold

>>4674491
anon please share how to get into this, do you mass e-mail prospective clients and set up a page on linked in?

The animation industry is a slog. Make sure you know what people are making around you and argue to be paid accordingly. I got a 200$ a week raise just because i went and argued for it.

What about webtoons originals? its 2000 per month plus ad revenue but I'm not sure about the intellectual property side of things

>>4675682
>you realize picasso paintings sells for literally 100s of millions of dollars?
he's probably the most famous painter on the planet, it's not a useful comparison

>>4674586
Is there any platform that allows you to keep your personal info private?

>>4674491
It's definitely a better job in the sense that it pays more per hour and most art directors are better to work with than randos.

However, it's hard to break into.

>>4675369

Alizarin is a purplish red, you need a warm red in your palette if you want to paint a range of stuff. Prussian is a way too strong blue and pretty useless because of it. This is a bad limited palette.

Oil paint is a bit of an investment but a tube of paint will last you a long time if you're not retarded.

>>4675369
>>4678166
>Prussian is a way too strong blue
>a tube of paint will last you a long time if you're not retarded

Yeah and it lasts even longer if you use strong pigments.

>you need a warm red in your palette if you want to paint a range of stuff

You can still mix oranges with a cool red, hard to mix violets with a warm red. But violet is rare in nature, I guess. The real mistake was using ochre instead of cadmium hue or some other cheap, bright, neutral yellow. Ochre is so weak.

>>4678180

Yellow ochre is pretty useful, it's one of my most used colours, and earth colours are pretty versatile in general. You can get greenish shades with yellow ochre which is useful if you are using a limited palette.

>>4678186
But you can get even more greenish shades with cadmium instead. My main beef with ochre is that it takes so much to shift the colour, very weak mixer, transparent. It has it's uses, though.

If we're talking about a super limited palette, earth colours seem like a waste of a slot to me, since you can just mix browns and such.

>>4674829
Certain companies and brands are way more active about police copyright infringement. You can get away with Overwatch stuff but will get caught with My Hero Academia (Funimation notorious for this).

Also big marketplace sites like Etsy/Redbubble have people actively looking for infringement. If you just sell on ebay or your own site unless you start making millions its unlikely for anyone to notice.

>>4677853
So you have to ask for 10000x less than picasso. Wow, still way more than 25 dollars or whatever you fools are charging

pyw

>>4674538
There are no way you are getting any cadmiums only spending that much...

>>4679781
fuck cadmiums, cadmium lemon is the only one worth getting. And as far as I'm concerned, any red that can't be mixed down to pink, or mixed into blue to make purple, are useless. Cadmium red might as well be sawdust for the purposes of making purple

>>4679993

Your opinion doesn't matter Brian your art is shit and so is everything else about you.

Stop talking about the cost of paint, tell me how to win money drawing stuff

>>4680086
Shh! The adults are talking.

>>4675221
It depends. If someone thinks it's worth that much then yeah sure, but I feel like you have to have the rep for that, in a way. For example, some nobody charging $1000 for a commission is very different from Loish charging $1000 for a commission.

>>4674566
I mean if someone actually spent 3 full time months working on a magic card then they deserve poverty. But I'm pretty sure most are done in 2-10 hours. Hell, even if it took you 50 hours, which is one hell of a long time to spend on a 2x2 in. illustration, you'd still be making $40/hr.

It seems like you don't understand this concept.

>>4674576
How'd you get your clients!?

>>4674581
>https://twitter.com/rodan_r18/status/1271279430401503233?s=19

No offense, I thought that you'd have to be extremely good to make a buck for this. But glad is working out for you, I wish to get a glimpse of success, still a long way to go, but this gave me hope.

Just a few questions though, how savvy you gotta be to know about how to manage the payment part? you work using PayPal, right? any other form of payment you work with? how do you deal with refunds or any rules against selling lewd art if any?

>>4674435
Do you work a normal job is that 1900 your entire income?

>>4681194

His parents pay the rest of his expenses, Brian is a 27 yo NEET suckling his mom and pop's teat so that he can paint ugly playdoh tits all day.

>>4674435
hey op, do you have any tips on how to sell on ebay? like, what to do to make people find your work and stuff

>>4681206
>suckling his mom and pop's teat
Brian also has pictures of himself and his parents on vacation in fucking Dubai, so I think money's not really an issue for him

>>4681238

No, money is not an issue if it's not yours to start with. Gonna be a bit of a thing when his parents kick the bucket.

>>4681243
his parents are worth like 100 million dollars

>>4681209
>do you have any tips on how to sell on ebay? like, what to do to make people find your work and stuff
same as anything else, paint the things that are popular so that it draws attention to the other things you paint. That depends on the platform you're using, on eBay it's nudes. Make nude paintings, tag them as such, you'll probably sell a few if they're reasonably priced, then you can start painting still lifes and landscapes and portraits, or whatever the hell you feel like painting.

But nudes sell, because there's a lot of boomer men and women on eBay who when they want to buy art they buy nudes. My biggest tip for painting nudes is that since eBay doesn't censor nude artwork's thumbnails in it's system (seriously look up what else is on there sometimes it's insane how based eBay is) you want the nudes you paint to be instantly recognizable as nudes. It's a lot like using 4chan. The thumbnail is 99% of the battle. If it doesn't read as a thumbnail it's going to have a harder time selling. That's true of still lifes, landscapes, and portraits too. They have to be recognizable and appealing in terms of shapes.

>>4674435
It's pretty hard to make it if someone's only idea is to sell shit online. If you do that, most of the time you need to be hyperactive so the suckers don't forget you, and be into dealing with absolute morons who expect you to do (draw) unspeakable things and then deal with the "oh wait, you charge money for this?" kind of utter bullshit, all day, every day. And what for? To have an unsteady income, without anyone knowing who you are -other than some random username online. Even if you're really good, you'll be depressed and feel down because the internet now is a cesspool of "artists". 95% of those posting online for commission are either shitty or just nothing exceptional, but there's enough of it for your extraordinary work to get lost in an ocean of shit. Not to mention when yours is just another one of the shit.
So it's either a hobby and some of your twitter frog friends ask you to draw them a silly avi and a few of them will remember that nothing, not even your time is for free (which they rarely do btw) or you start to work for the industry. As illustrator or any art section of some game company, etc. Of course they'll make you do shit you might not be interested in, but you'll get to do it using the latest (or at least decent) tech, get paid for it and earn the 2 most important things: experience and connections. After a few years people will start to find you with their projects, unless you completely suck ass
At least that's how it worked for me, but I assume one would need to define what "making it" means for them.

I tried to make a thread about this last week, but I am so burnt out from commissions. I mostly work with businesses and small time authors/creators to make commissions, it’s not coom or famart shit so it’s a better experience, but everyday it’s a struggle. Every day I get job invitations of people wanting to take advantage of me.
I struggle to make ends meet. I havnt been making enough to pay my. Ills the last three months. I havnt been able to concentrate because first it was corona and my kid was out of school, now it’s summer and he’s out and I’m just always trying to make the best of it. I keep spending money on little things. I spent all my stimulus check on bills, though I was really hoping to get a dishwasher... I’m lucky to split the bills with someone who is more responsible and has a stable job, though I don’t ask him to cover my ass.
I need to figure out a way to make passive income, badly. I have many ideas but I never finish things. I’m working on a coloring book now because I think it’s the least complicated way, but I decided
To give it a more in depth theme to make it really cool and it’s getting out of hand like all my creations.
I only make about 10k a year and I am struggling to make even that these past few months.

>>4681206
How can you guys tell this is Brian?
Also how do we know that Brian’s parents are rich?
Not arguing, just curious, fucking hate Brian...

>>4681291
If you google his name his parents have a nice house in a well off area.

He probably makes his money from painting furry shit and loli/underage shit.

>>4681299
Gross.
Drawing is the poor mans trade, painting is the rich man’s.
Nothing is worse to me than a spoilt rich kid choosing a hedonistic career path, and never having to struggle for it because they’re still living off their mom and dads teet.

>>4681302
>Nothing is worse to me than a spoilt rich kid choosing a hedonistic career path
he's also had like tons of different girlfriends and just uses women because they want his money. He's such a piece of shit

>>4681306
He has said in a previous thread that he had had few gfs...
But maybe that was not him and a larp.

Who knows, guys parents buy him a lot of supplies and he doesnt have to work.

>>4681319
i guess we'll never know

>>4681324
We probably will, I mean he will never stop posting here.
He always ends up posting info about his life, little by little.

To the people who draw commisions:
How many commisions do you do per a specific time period? (week, month)
How many hours do you spend on each on average?
How much do you charge per hour spent?

>>4681291

It's his ebay listing thing, he posted his listings a few weeks ago like we should be impressed he sold a few of his retarded things. He's been posting here since at least 2014 I think, back in the day he had a creepy stalker obsession with some e-whore he would draw again and again. Everything we know about him he has spilled himself on this board. He's a prime lolcow. If only he would get a trip so he could be filtered.

>>4681302

And imagine being that advantaged and still painting like you're a mentally retarded toddler. Like some epic anon said once, Brian is Gezanne and Gauguin's retarded love child raised on a healthy diet of cadmium yellow and turpentine.

>>4681333
>He always ends up posting info about his life, little by little.
Here you go, I spend about $7000 every year, I've slept with one girl in my 27 years alive, and my parents have a nice house in an okay area. They don't have enough money for me to live on my own so I'm working on making enough money that I can cover the $7000 a year, I'll probably make about $12k this year, then I'll just live with them until I'm about 30 and making enough to live on my own (Around 35k in this area), get an apartment, continue to paint at in my parent's basement because it's a pretty nice studio, keep painting, die one day, bury me with my money

>>4681339
>Like some epic anon said once, Brian is Gezanne and Gauguin's retarded love child raised on a healthy diet of cadmium yellow and turpentine.
nigga you said that

>>4681339
>he had a creepy stalker obsession with some e-whore he would draw again and again
lol wtf...
Who was the ewhore? Would love to see some pics/paintings of her.

>>4681349
You’ve revealed yourself even more than you intended
>they don’t make enough money to live on my own
>they don’t make enough money for me to move out of their house and have them pay my bills so I have to suffer by living in their basement, I’m not THAT rich, I’m not “my parents pay for my apartment rich”

>I spend 7000 dollars a year
Nigga on what???
You think that’s a small amount? If you have no bills because you live with your parents then where does that 7k go to? There’s no shame in spending money but don’t act like that’s nothing. I have about 100 dollars left over after bills each month, if I can even make that.

>>4681349
>They don't have enough money for me to live on my own

Nigga what

>>4681353
Gamercatt or gamecatt or something. He was literally OBSESSED, just look at his old Instagram, he has two. He was an absolute
S
I
M
P

>>4681382
lol wtf I looked her up, that's fucking zunechan
A girl who posted a bunch of child porn of herself back in the day.

This guy is into child porn?

>>4681353

Her name was Kat or Cath or something, and she had a huge mole on a cheek and an oddly round nose. He drew her a fuckton of times and I think she eventually told him to fuck off because it definitely was obsessive and even I as a bystander found it creepy.

>>4681377
yeah I planned on moving out and having my rent completely paid for but my parents said no :( unfortunately now I have to make paintings to make a living :( I really wanted to never have to do anything in my life other than fuck bitches and do drugs, not that I don't also do a ton of drugs and have a ton of sex with random women but unfortunately I still live with my parents

>>4681390
>she eventually told him to fuck off because it definitely was obsessive
yeah she got a restraining order on me

>>4681388

Oh, goddamn. LOL

>thread gets derailed by discord drama

>>4681391
fucking kek
27, mommy said no. jesus, man.. grow the fuck up

>>4681397

lurk moar

>>4681410
yeah it's really too bad, i really hate painting and was hoping my parents would just give me all their money. I hate working and have no work ethic so I just wanted to be lazy my whole life. That's why my paintings are so bad, because I don't give a shit and I'm retarded :(

I can't tell what's real or not anymore.

>>4681388
>>4681299
Wow I wasnt wrong, this guy does draw child porn...

Why do you like child porn brian? Why obsessed with a child pornstar?

>>4681336
So can anyone actually answer this or does everyone just want to keep posting about some literally-who?

>>4681451
The better question is:
Why does Brian take all this abuse? Why does he keep coming back here?
Why do any of us?

>>4681306
>just uses women because they want his money. >He's such a piece of shit
I don’t like cumfarti either, but is there really anything wrong with that?

>>4681391
>I've slept with one girl in my 27 years alive
> than fuck bitches and do drugs, not that I don't also do a ton of drugs and have a ton of sex with random women
Which is it? One bitch or a bunch? How can we believe anything you say cumfarti?

>>4681458
>Why does Brian take all this abuse? Why does he keep coming back here?
because this is the art board, and i make art

>>4681382
link to the old insta so we can see these simp pictures, please.

wtf is wrong with this place
We are now talking about zunechan and cp?

>>4681506
why you act surprised tho

>>4681506
Do you even know where you are, numb-nuts?

>>4681580
>>4681563
Dudes I thought this was a actual thread about sales and commissions.

I didnt realize it was a cumfarti thread. I do try to avoid those and didnt realize he was the ass that started it.

>>4681642
You can't avoid it so just roll with it

>>4681642
Just 100% ignore him in his own threads it drives him crazy and you don't have to deal with him. Win-win

>>4681727
I think we may of found his repellant, just make fun of his ewhore he stalks because I have noticed he isnt in this thread but is still posting in /trad/

>>4674435
I got jobs like these: >>4674452

what makes it harder is that I have ADHD so how I sense time is very distorted. I always think the job is gonna be a lot simples than it turns out to be.

I made a logo for someone and sent it to him without getting paid lolol

Haven't heard back from him since I asked about money.

>>4682300
Sometimes you send them a thumbnail, they approve, you put the vector file on the cloud and ask for payment so you can send the link, and they never pay

>>4681391
Be very careful with women. Some of them will try to get pregnant or something like that, like you were rich, even if you're broke. Also they carry STDs. I'm serious, it happened to me.

Never trust anyone, always have a backup plan in case she turns against you

>>4682300
That’s on you, dumbass. You should have asked for a down payment first.

>>4682333
No u

But yea it was just a logo so I didn't think it was a big deal until he started getting into specifics and cutting into my time for other projects. I didn't finish it since he wanted more details, so if anything he has a draft that he'll probably ask someone else to finish.

I've seen the guy around so I'll confront him.

>>4682329
I don't do random clients online. The people I draw for are all around my area so if they try something sneaky I can harass them.

>>4674435
which get you more money as a freelancer; 2d or 3d commissions ?

>>4684189
i would say 2d since 3d work is oversaturated with pajeets

>>4674435
Why is everyone here obsessed with doing commissions for retards.
Just make prints of shit you actually like drawing and sell them.

>>4684210
isent 2d filled with chinks that charge for peanuts ?

>>4674551
Who is the market for coom art? Just ordinary people who want their personalized fetishes to be realized beyond their usual imagination of it? And therefore decide to shell out $80 for someone with the skills to illustrate it for them?

I'm just astonished that ordinary people pay for art in the first place, and even more so that their are so many of them that you can't keep up with the demand.

>>4684766
Can you explain why you think paying for art is weird?

>>4684781
Like, I'm just astonished that there are people out there who enjoy art enough to pay others to make it for them. I love art myself, hence why I'm on here, but that's because it's my lifelong hobby since I was a child and means a lot to me. I didn't think that other people who did not create art themselves would be willing to actually pay money to have art in their own lives.

I'm not saying I don't think artists deserve payment, I'm saying I'm surprised other people enjoy art enough to not merely appreciate what exists out there for free but to actually put out their own money to have a piece for themselves. I didn't think art mattered that much to people who don't actively create it themselves.

You get what I mean?

>>4684801
Kinda? The reason why people pay to have their own created because just looking around them won’t be enough for them, so they pay artist to create art for them to consume more of it. People are greedy and want to have everything.

>>4681349
you're annoying as fuck and I hate you but people are too harsh on you, keep doing your thing

>>4684826
So is it for people who seriously love art, or am I simply not realizing the fact that even casuals appreciate art enough to spend $100 on a personalized piece from an artist who is only known on social media?

>>4682354
Whatever you need to tell yourself in order to cope. Logos are a big deal which is they the minimum price for them in the US are $400-500. If someone balks at that price they are not ready for one.

>>4684912
They don't really care to much about the artist, if they find a style they like they'll pay what ever for their custom furry porn.

>>4674566
PYW MOON RUNE NAME FAG

>>4674435
- Just make a simple one hour puzzle game with waifus
- Make it pwyw
- profit

>>4684262
>Just make prints of shit you actually like drawing and sell them.
prints arent a guaranteed to sell

Honestly, the best way to make sure your customer likes the product is to do YCH's, since if the people like the thought of their characters in that certain pose, then they will pay for it because it is guaranteed to look like the base offer.

Commissions can be good, but also bad