/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Can I use loomis on furry heads?

study

Would I benefit from grinding fundeis and occasionally copying manga artists?

>>4662712
What would you gain by copying?
>>4662705
That's pretty great, you felt the forms.

>>4662705
Her right eye should track to the side Abit
Top hair bun has some interesting colors that got omitted
Under eye Abit too sharp shading
Otherwise nice job

>>4662729
It would probably increase my visual library and overall millage by breaking down and copying other artists. At least that's what I heard.

am i doing fine?

reposting since last thread died

>>4662736
head is very smol

>>4662705
If you want accurate color reading, i'd recommend filling the background with the same color then the reference. Pretty much paint the whole thing, background comprised.

Otherwise good study

Yo wtf drawing on an iPad is hard, especially when I have no ability to draw what so ever

Had a crack at drawing some eyes again in different styles, here's a snapshot of some of the ones I picked out from a larger file. How did I do? Where did I fug up?

So I am now making the jump to digital art and I would like to know if Clip Studio Paint is recommended? The pro version is like 20 bucks at the moment and it seems that with that and the drawing tablet I will be set for a long time.

I really need to start drawing from imagination but drawing from reference is already so hard. It's intimidating.

>>4663031
nice practice, i assume those are from reference? My mindset for drawing from imagination is it's like a test, but one it's good to fail. It shows your weaknesses and tendencies, and if your imagination drawing improves, then you know you're breaking down other work/references properly and actually learning.

Is it a good thing to overlay your drawing with ref? I overlay almost every single mark i make, trying to make my drawing look exactly the same as ref. Is it some kind of autism and im ngmi? How to get rid of this habit, anon?

>>4663049
>nice practice, i assume those are from reference?
Yes. I'm copying Glen Keane's drawings, I think. I just have to accept that my drawings are going to be really bad. There is no other way but it's tough to take off the training wheels.

Here I've been working on series of pixel robots for the past few weeks and I would like some help improving them.

>>4663088

>>4663091

>>4663094
I would prefer to remain within the palette I used

>>4663099
I would look up "pixel shading basics" the robots are pretty cool

>>4663063
yup it's true

here's a fast sketch I made. It turned out better than I expected for working from imagination, which should be saying something, lol. It's okay to fail and make art that doesn't look good (to you). All good artists I know are their own biggest critics.

>>4663061
do you be good at drawing or tracing? Just put your ref beside your drawing. Break down your ref into shapes and construct that shit.

traced pics will always feel stiff anyway.

How do I fucking feel the forms? REEEEE

>>4663147
crosscontours

please crit my anatomy

>>4663061
i think it's not bad if you do it once you're done, but overlaying it all the time doesn't sound good. try doing the stuff from iten's accuracy guide instead, and remember to zoom out on your drawing every now and then, looking at it as a thumbnail helps you pick out mistakes.
http://www.dorian-iten.com/accuracy/

Hullo, I finished this recently and I'm pretty happy about it since I just started drawing like last month. I've been trying different things and studying some anatomy but criticism is always wanted so I can improve.

>>4662705
eyes too big

>>4663188
nice work bro

the trapezius doesn't extend over to the collarbones like that, it's a back muscle.

your drawing is twisting his upper body more than the ref. you can tell by the nip placement for one, and by where you drew the misline of the abs/chest

>>4663188
I didn't see the second photo. Also very nice. Since the model is leaning forward, there is no muscle on the very top of the shoulders. You'd be able to see it with a more muscular model but especially on the right shoulder you can barely see the shoulder muscle itself, and where you drew the red is not shoulder muscle on your second drawing's right arm.

>>4662670
My line quality is dog shit because of my tablet. It's impossible. There is no way to know precisely where your marks will land on the sketch. So I'm not worried about that. My question is more about the render. What do?

>>4663251
>>4663145
Thank you a lot.

>>4662886
It's ok that you're feeling out forms but these sketches are way too messy. With clean lines you can show if you understand the form instead of kinda/sorta suggesting and letting your brain fill out the rest. Try drawing an eye anatomically correct on one side and stylized on the other

>>4663282
>>4663278

thank you. i am struggling a whole lot with the shoulder areas. in the second pic what muscle is at the top of the right arm then, if not the deltoid? is that the pec?

How I do today?

>>4663294
Are you talking about his right arm, or the arm on the right side? I was talking about his right arm, on the left side lol. What you're seeing is the top of his shoulder

see how the muscle doesn't wrap over the top?

>>4663306
you forgot to crop your image

>>4663305
wow did jackson do some real art? it sucks lol

>>4663322
There ya go.

>>4663336
lmao i mean resize

>>4663355
looking good but a little stiff, maybe do some gesture drawing? nice dubs

>>4663369
But then how will you appreciate my brushstrokes???

>>4663381
nice strokes babe now resize your fucking posts

>>4663389
How big do you want it?

>>4663520
1000 px at most

>>4663283
>What do?
Leave /beg/ and go to /draw/

the perspective on those two last ones really threw me off. how important is it to do the assignments under the time limit, what should i be striving for with it? and how would you approach them if working on digital? I like using this thin brush because it lets me mimic Huston's approach when he uses a pen in that it lets me lay many lines before they start to build up, but at times it's hard to control (slippery tablet) and I worry I might get a bit of a chicken straching habit trying to get my lines to look right

Total beginner here. I don't even know what to ask about. Just tell me what you think.

>>4663579
Talentfag

>>4663579
Measure your angles more carefully. Your eye sockets are very simplified and you need to pay more attention to those bones around it, they're oddly shaped. Same with the nasal cavity. Draw what you see more. Measure twice draw once.

>>4663584
uber/beg/

>>4663587
That shading is way beyond beg level

>>4663584
>>4663590
You suck

>>4663598
pyw

These fucking threads move fast.

I'm trying the huston stuff on heads. It's so good. I feel like instantly got a step up after watching it. Like I'm finally unsanding how the face works I still have to do much of the afvanced stuff though.

>>4663579

can i get a critique or suggestions for improving the lineart? I do studies, and am currently working on perspective, but was wondering if there were any specific critiques to this piece

>>4663590
>sees someone put minimal effort into rendering beyond the ability of a toddler
>HOYL FUCK NOT BEG QUIT FLEXING
pathetic

>>4663633
pyw

What brush should I use in CSP for hard shadows?

>>4663590
Pyw

>>4663662
Not good enough for this thread

the ears are badly placed

>>4663651
no one has to pyw to establish that it's /beg/ - the shapes, values, and edges all clearly have significant problems. it's decent /beg/, but it's definitely /beg/. maybe you should try drawing something besides anime titties once in a while and you'll have a better idea of what's attainable easily

>>4663671
Never drew anime titties and this is int-tier rendering that woud take months or even year+ to achieve for someone without talent

>>4663657
The hard round. Make a new brush and what it gives you is just a regular old hard round. Have fun.

>>4663665

>>4663662

>>4663700
being compared to ito-san. based

>>4663700
n a u g h t y

>>4663291
Thanks anon, I'm going to try to make my lines more decisive and clean. But how would you rate it formwise if there's any merit at all?

>>4661773
>I need another source of cash, so its coomer time
youre everything wrong with zoomers

Elbow joints are fucking weird

Do proportions get easier over time as I draw more figures?

>>4663889
it's almost identical to the knee/femur design just flipped around and no cap

>>4663893
> This is your mind on 'just draw'

>>4663893

>>4663893
IM GUNNA COOOOOOOOOOOM

>>4663936
Yeah it really is a nice elbow, isn't it?

>>4663889
You're just looking at a bad reference, get a better one.

>>4663915
Manga source?

>>4663992
Witch Hat Atelier it looks like

>>4663893
For some people yes. For others no. It'll be up to you to determine that. I am not such an artist so i keep measurment in accordance with the head and then stretch and shrink proportions accordingly

>>4663999
>Witch Hat Atelier
Thanks!

I was having fun with this until I realised it sucks

How do you go about learning perspective?

>>4664111
You read perspective made easy, do the exercises and draw stuff having the concepts the book teaches you in mind.

>>4664121
Any other books/resources I should look into as well, or will perspective made easy have me set?

how do these points work
i dont understand collars

>>4664126
It depends on what you want to do with your art. Perspective Made Easy may be more than enough for you, buy if you think you need more advanced perspective knowledge after reading it, try with Scott Robertson's How To Draw.

A buddy of mine wanted me to draw him a cover for his black metal album. Turns out he also wants me to do vocals, he specified "bestial, guttural Hyperborean rape wolf roars" so RIP my throat

>>4664185
Btw it's not done I'm just a fuckin noob at drawing

>>4664174

critiques? I feel like I messed up the proportions of the head, i was going for a disney style look but things are still off. (Yes i do studies, this is just a project ive been working on)

>>4664197
>>4663604
the most helpful person in this thread why are you so nice

>>4664203
the farthest eye socket is a bit too deep on the right, especially on the bottom

>>4664197
did he die

Gonna try my first color study today

>>4663889
No, they're not. They're easy. They're hinges. One of the earliest assignments in an anatomy for artists class I took was drawing all of the joints of the body as hardware - hinge for the elbows and knees, ball joints for the ankle and wrist, etc.
They're also a junction. No muscles or tendons go across the hinge, they start or end there. They can only move in one direction, and the inner joint is a hollow, and the elbow tip is the end of a bone.

These mannequins were really fun.

>>4664195
sweet

>>4664203
I'm not great at explaining but you should construct things using forms, and then block in all your major values, then you go in with low saturation color and slowly build up contrast between values, edges, and saturation.
To get that "polished perfect" look you just sink a dozen hours into rendering every single part of your image, theres not really a faster way around that desu.

>inb4 ruined
it's just an example you dont have to draw like me

>>4662712
>>4662729
every artist copies
fundamentals is still basically copying, you're just copying the book.
copying manga artist should make you draw like the artist and you'll just feel where the spots go.
that's how berserk artist, miura learned to draw. do the same go go

can anybody tell me whats wrong here? i cant seem to figure it out by observing it myself.

>>4664425
>>4664261
thanks, is vlippu the best resource for begginers? Im currently working on the "bar of soap" after a brief detour into Draw a box cause my boxes were pretty garbagio.
pic related

>>4664472
ive never tried vilppu or draw a box but if youre going to practice boxes when you're starting out you need to connect the lines as well as drawing all edges, not just the ones visible to you.

It looks like you're drawing the contour of the box in one stroke, you should be using a separate straight line for every edge. (this changes once you start heavily distorting perspective but it doesnt look like youre ready for that yet)

>>4664425
>>4663601
>>4663665
>>4663706
>>4664097
>>4664203


Loomis was a fucking mistake.

We're different from the people from decades ago that actually needed fundies like Loomis to know where shit went.
You guys have probably read/watched so much manga, cartoons, and 3d shows that your brain already gets it.

>>4664485
what a retarded post holy shit.

>>4664488
pyw boomer

Feedback please.

>>4664489
what does my work have to do at all with how stupid that fucking post was?

you're basically saying that a person should be able to compose and play music like a master without practicing or studying because people listen to music a lot.
And how ignorant do you have to be to actually argue that people from decades ago were cavemen and we just "absorb" information by virtue of being modern.

>>4663946
she cute

>>4664499
pyw

>>4663283

It's been slow in the office so I've been messing around a lot in ms paint to pass the time. Starting to get used to using a mouse to draw.

>>4664503
>resorting to personal attacks because you can't handle being wrong.

yikes.

>>4664505
How do you paint your drawings anon?

>>4664491
Terrible proportions (what's with those super stumpy calves?

Symbol drawing and bad perspective. You did attempt construction which is good, but you didn't do a very good job of it.

>>4664491
Don't listen to the bully anon. I think it looks really good, especially for traditional.

Keep practicing!

>>4664485
What are you even trying to say

>>4664525
but yeah, the calves are scuffed. make them longer

>>4664519
Thanks for the feedback. Be honest with me please. I am starting to draw from almost zero and i am trying to persuade a career in digital arts, specifically concept art and 3D modelling.

So. Do i have at least what is needed to do it? Or should i drop out and do something better with my time?

>More drawings by me.

Thanks for the feedback.

>>4664526
drop pussy loomis

go chad scribble mode.

>>4664532
imagine discounting one of the best series of instructional art books in the world because you're too......cool? what's it like being that insecure

>>4664531
yeah anon, you definitely have some sense of space and perspective and you're already driven to draw. The one with the cat out doors makes it look like the cat is way too big, though.

You gotta apply yourself and be serious, but you can do it.

>>4664531

>>4664525
>>4664528
Why do you need sugarcoating and performative niceness to give a simple crit? At least respect them enough not to treat them like children.

>>4664545
i think you're conflating treating someone like a child with acting like an adult.

>>4664540
Warped, vanishing points too close together. Car isn't in the same perspective as the building. Sidewalk stripes are terrible.

Try Ernest Norling and Scott Robertson

>>4664545
i've been on liberal faggot reddit art sites for too long, i forgot that it's okay to be gruff and blunt here.

>>4664531
Another one

>>4664551
Regarding the books. Should i read them from beggining to end entire or by chapters? Should i start with these you said or with another more basic ones?

>>4664567
I think both of those (Persp. made easy and How to Draw, in that order) will be good for you, to get you sorted out in perspective.

For other stuff, read the sticky. (Other starting points are Vilppu drawing manual and Loomis figure drawing for figures)

>>4663283
There is a line tool for a reason, dum dum

>>4664531
unironically soul

>>4662736
Is missing shoulder/ back muscles. Why is there a hole under the arm?

Head does not sit right on neck.

Hip is missing.

Otherwise fine, keep going!

>>4664588
im assuming the model had their shoulder blades retracted and that's why you can't see much of the lat/teres major from the front.

Do you guys do your shading and values before you color?

>>4664604
i normally put a flat color first, then color shade.

>>4664610
I think I fucked it up already but would you by any chance have advice on how to proceed from this? Trying to do my first color study

>>4663586
>>4663604
Thanks. After you pointed out all those things i noticed how much they stand out.

>>4664606
what is that thing

>>4664653
nice man, really creative

>>4664690
this is cool but there's very little contrast in the colours making it look washed out and I can barely tell what's going on with the dog's face.

I think this is as best as I'm gonna get it

>>4663671
he said pyw not write a paragraph

>>4663946
that bitch look 3 and 25 at the same time

>>4664692

>>4664531
i once persuaded a career in digital arts too but i got metooed later, when it claimed our time together was nonconsensual

>>4664606
not bad. when you build up more mileage doing figure drawing and drawing facial features, cartoon drawings will become 100x easier and look way more proportional.

>>4664675
stop hanging out in beg threads and shitting on people. offer genuine feedback.

Am I feeling the form?

>>4664742

what the fuck is that thing

>>4664748
with those wrapping lines it would seem so. some of them have so many strokes it is hard to see what's going on though. i watched a video where somebody was critiquing gestures a lot like this. the advice was to try a bunch of 30 second and 1 minute gestures using a maximum of 10 lines, and to "ghost" your lines instead of trying to find the right one after you draw it.

>>4664757
Thanks anon I'll give this one a shot.

So I've been timing myself to 30 minutes a portrait. Because other then that it feels like I am polishing a turd. But sine I am a beg it'll be awful no matter how long I spend.
It was more of a practice in painting with skin tones.The first attempt was picking colors from the ref. Second was less and third was even more so. I still used the pick up tool to make comparisons.

So I've been timing myself to 30 minutes a portrait. Because other then that it feels like I am polishing a turd. But sine I am a beg it'll be awful no matter how long I spend.
It was more of a practice in painting with skin tones.The first attempt was picking colors from the ref. Second was less and third was even more so. I still used the pick up tool to make comparisons.

>>4663999
checked

>Witch Hat Atelier
almost bought that the other day, now i should have

Can someone help me on gesture? Every single book or video does it completely different and I don't know which one to follow, some do detailed muscles some do lines some do boxes some don't. Which one of these is closest to being right? Also whats a good resource, I looked at proko, villpu and a few other YT but they all skim over and don't help at all.

>>4664854

>>4664854
for some of those sources, especially maybe vilppu, try to copy some of the drawn gestures. Try to use as many strokes as they did or as it looks like they did

>>4664788
OK, you have very basic problems in head and facial construction. i recommend you go through Huston's videos and assignments in the video thread which i've linked here and learn to draw a head before you try to paint one. Look at the painter Ingres's drawings, or Da Vinci's drawings for instance - they are magnificent works of art on their own. Then they painted over those. I wouldn't worry about timing yourself at all.

https://mega.nz/folder/glxFwLaa#cdBL0K-MOuZbtQYoRR4cBQ/folder/hkY2iCJb

>>4664854
this is an annoying problem. go to the line-of-action website every day and do the 1 hour class. read their article on how to do 30 second gestures, because your first ones will be terrible. then after you're done with those, watch proko's videos and copy what he is doing. sometimes it seems like an artist isn't explaining something, but when you watch and rewatch the video before and after having tried to do something, and copy their moves, you realize that you just aren't really listening to them, or can't listen to them because they take too many things for granted as they're teaching. proko has this problem for sure, where he'll throw way too many things at you way too fast. just take your time and do the 1 hour class every day, watch the videos before and after, and copy. eventually you will get it.

Please critique.
Also how young can I draw girls before mods delete my drawings?

does anyone still have the long image about symbol drawing? not the one in the sticky

>>4665000
not what you're looking for, but hey it's long

How do you guys pick poses?
I can never think of a pose

>>4665020
I literally just copy a ref but might change around some stuff

>>4665020
copy from ref, NEVER TRY TO MAKE YOUR OWN POSE FROM SCRATCH (IMPORTANT)

>>4665041

I decided to redraw some old character. It doesn't have quite the same horror feeling but I'm happy with her

>>4665041
why are you trying to sabotage /beg/s asshole

>>4665054
Also I can't believe it's been a year since I drew these and felt like a master of the medium

It's really demoralizing that there's nothing in keys to drawing so far about what to do if your mountain of proportion errors builds up to the point that you can no longer look to the reference for advice on what you're drawing. It's happened to me for every single exercise so far besides the bottle.

>>4665041>>4665022

What if im just practicing? Doodling and shit

I'm getting used to clip studio, what's the best choice for an hard round brush?
I tried the oil paint one and it's nice, but something feels off, even after tinkering with the options

>>4665061
don't listen to that bad advice. draw what you want

>>4665060
It's called the visual measuring section read it again

>>4665077
I know how to pose things, but i always get stuck on trying to think of cool poses if the character isnt really doing anything

>>4664997
Those are some big hips for a loli. Looks more like a pettanko.

>>4665054
>>4665057
Amazing progress! Your proportions improved a lot and you got rid of the stiffness. What did you study?

>>4664518
gimp 2.8

>>4665079
I haven't fucking gotten there yet.

>>4665060
either check more before you draw or just redo it

>>4665089
>gimp
How old are you, 40?

>>4665060
Here's the most recent example that frustrated me.

>>4665107
And here's the reference. I realize the keys are symbol drawing galore, but after I saw how little the silver part in the middle matched up I pretty much just gave up on the rest. I'll try it again tomorrow, but god damn is this frustrating. Feels like If I don't get the initial outline sketch right the whole thing is just fucked. I wish I knew what I was doing enough to tell when the outline isn't accurate so I don't waste a bunch of time.

>>4665081
Real answer at the end.
Well, a lot of it is just natural progress over a year we're talking about a hundred or so drawings and each of them had different issues I had to tackle. In those old ones I was already focusing on "composition", supposedly all the lines were pointing at her hands holding a heart. That was while watching some videos and looking up composition examples on Google. That was already a year ago just so you get the idea, each drawing I've been doing is trying to apply something or mid drawing I have to consciously find a solution (or Google it)
I wouldn't say I'm a studying man, I'm more into researching. So I can't do something and I go into Google or YouTube or read opinions of other people on the matter. That a hundred times.
Of course I saw the occasional Sycra or Proko video and tried to read Hampton but just tried to absorb the pictures,didn't really study.
BUT this is what you want to know.
For that drawing I'm mostly using animation knowledge to make it less stiff. I studied the Animator's Survival Kit by Williams for like 4 or 5 days when I wanted to do a walking animation but the concepts kinda stuck with me. I mostly skimmed the book but you are bound to learn something. That book, and reading up people talking about the basics of animating and watching random animation videos and gifs made my brain think more about the flow of things so I can make things less stiff and simpler.
I'm not telling you to go animate though it's extremely time consuming and hard. Try to study composition and flow and gesture.
For my anatomy it was just practice. That's NOT a good method but I'm bad at studying. I keep drawing until I get better but it'd be much faster if you just drew people from reference pictures.

>>4665020
Just draw from reference until you can do it from imagination

Also loomis

Wassup lads, so here is the last thing I drew and the first thing I did in photoshop cc.
The shadow are pretty shit, so is the coloring, asukas face can be cuter and so on... But yeah its way better than the last thing I drew.

>>4664453
done, ready for critique

>>4665151
could be worse

>>4665155
Reminds me of Jarinko Chie (じゃりン子チエ)

>>4665155
mouth is too high

>>4665061
NEVER EVER DRAW FROM IMAGINATION EVER

>>4665155

If I do 2 hours a day this summer, should I in theory be able to draw kinda shitty but okayish doodles by the end of it?
I don't have any ambitions of greatness since I don't want to pursue art professionally but being able to draw something halfway resembling what I have in my mind sounds reasonable, I hope.

>>4664788
can you share the last reference?
I agree with the anon who suggests Huston course but you can also just learn about linear blocking in for your studies.

>>4665174
Why also anyone else have a character they like to draw when whatever you are drawing in that moment is frustrating you?

>>4665155
Looks fine to me

real talk when does it make sense to draw figures from imagination? after you've learn basic gesture/construction or much later than that?

>>4664453
proportions are a little off. maybe the hands or head size.

>>4665151
The robot is my favourite part of this image

>>4665258
drawn with a mouse?

the perspective would be much more impactful if you cleaned up the lines

>>4665258
also that shower head is massive. Like 40 or 50 cm across.

>>4665262
There are heads like this though

>>4665309
what kind of fucking eldritch shower heads do you have??

Recommended books on drawing more realistic cartoon characters? I've tried "just draw lol" but I feel like I'm just drawing the outlines instead of actually constructing and drawing the form.

>>4665238
when a reference for what you want to draw doesn't exist and can't be made. Otherwise you're just ignoring one of the best tools.

So I posted a reply a while ago and some anon told me I should remove my outlines. Right is a repaint. That was actually was really helpful and made it feel less restricting to paint. I could use more critique please, I’ll take whatever I can get

>>4665451
Nice.

I think you need to learn how to clean up your edges, they're very messy. Also you have these weird spots on the apple that look like they've been pinched and are spiking out because of the way you painted them.

Keep at it. Also youre going to want to learn to blend and render.

I feel like a confused retard, there are so many resources everywhere and there's so much advice.
I mostly want to do people and anime.
I started on DAB and I plan on continuing through that because I felt too retarded for Loomis Figure Drawing. DAB man reccomends splitting up your drawing into 50/50 practice and fun but I always have no fucking clue when I try to do "fun" drawings because I'm still extreme /beg/.
It feels like I'm probably starting and stopping a lot of shitty doodles at once because technically ""fun"" drawing isn't meant to be practice right?
I kind of want to cut out the "fun" drawings and grind through DAB so I can be done with it but I'm not sure if it's a good idea to grind like that.
I really like things with structured, handholding approaches.
I can put in the time I just need to know what to do

obv. wip. does this have any likeness? won't say who it is. just started drawing from reference this past week or two.

>>4665258
looks like it could be a dire straits video

>>4665463
you should be drawing not journaling

>>4665477
Drawing what aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

>>4665108
/Beg/ retard here but wouldn't this be where construction comes in? Draw a rectangular box and then slowly draw in everything?

>>4665490
yes

I don't know how the fuck to do trees

Loomis.

>>4665155
cankles/10

What is an everyday practice you can do for fast gains?

All I've been doing is drawing everything I see non-stop but I don't feel like i'm improving my ability to construct or draw off reference

>>4665347
he's an elephant

>>4665481
draw anything who cares

Can someone please redline this? I think I've done something wrong but i don't know what it is.

I'm going to study to teach art next year, Godwilling I will help a new generation to enjoy this beautiful artform, I have been drawing for over 20 years and let me tell you we are all beginners until we die :) loving art is not about how good you are at it - you are all great people don't ever stop drawing

>>4665602
if you really want to help future generations, cut off your hands

>>4665526
The specifics will vary based on the kind of tree but here’s a real simplified way to do it. Treat each clump of leaves as a singular form first, define that form, then add the leaves as texturing. Is there a specific type of tree you’re having trouble with?

I just started trying to draw a few days ago, and I'm learning with a mouse and keyboard. I know this looks like shit but I don't know how to improve.

>>4665685
Use pencil and paper, dude. Read Keys to Drawing by Bert Dodson.

started from scratch on a drawing i posted here earlier in the week. Have I got the perspective on the goggles right? I dont want to make them too deep because i still want to show the nose and cheekbone. My other big issue is the hair, the doodle next to it is what i want it to look like, but im not sure if ive communicated that from the 3/4 view.

id appreciate any help, thank you

>>4665685
Is there something specific you’re trying to accomplish with using a mouse to draw? If not I’d recommend starting with pencil and paper, any kind will do as long as the paper’s normal sized.

>>4665676
>>4665526
Forgot to add - leaves tend to be thickest around where branches are so those tend to be the darkest parts of the tree

>>4665690
I had surgery on my neck ~15 years ago and can't look down to see what I'm drawing, pencil and paper isn't really an option.

>>4665699
That’s pretty rough, sorry to hear that. Do you have a way to stick paper on a wall or some vertical surface? Other things that come to mind are practicing with a whiteboard or using a screenless tablet. I don’t know a lot about drawing with a mouse but my intuition would be to turn off mouse accel, find a dpi you’re comfortable with, and make sure you’re on 6/11 sensitivity - this all comes from gaming though so grain of salt on whether that will transfer

>>4665695
gotta remember when someone makes such a strong expression that the entire face moves
trying making it yourself you can feel cheeks/nose lifting and jaw going down and back in an arc

>>4665699
consider getting a screenless drawing tablet
drawing with a mouse is utter dogshit

>>4665676
>Is there a specific type of tree you’re having trouble with?
I'm doing pic related from observation following Keys to Drawing. It asks to draw a tree in different times of the day to see the changes in lightning. Problem is it looks less like a tree and more like a shitstain

>>4665674
Uhmmm jou poes buddy this is just a sketch I have more than enough faith in my ability no need to throw insults. If you want please toss some advice or toss off mate. You down right wanka.

>>4665721
block it in like an egg shape with proper lighting and then add the leaves like you are carving them into the egg

>>4665699
I think I told you last time to get a regular drawing tablet because you have a stylus but you stare at the screen while you draw so it would fix your problem. Why haven't you gotten a tablet yet? Do you need some cheap options or something?

>>4665721
Is this the specific tree the book wanted you to draw or is this something you took a picture of in your backyard? If it’s the latter, try to find a better time of day to take this picture - there’s a lot of ambient lighting that makes it hard to define clear forms. Also when you’re starting off, take the photo, turn it b/w, and turn up the contrast and brightness, this should help you see where values are darker and lighter in the photo. If you plan on retaking the photo, maybe try sundown or sunup? Try and pick a time where you’ll have one particularly strong light source from one direction.

>>4665699
have you looked into using a desk easel/drawing table?

>>4665745
>>4665721
Try drawing this tree for example

>>4665742
I thought I might be able to learn with a mouse. I've been trying a few hours a day to just draw simple shapes, to learn to use gimp and build up muscle memory. I'm definitely improving, I have dozens of decent-looking circles, squares, and triangles. But I can't seem to apply that to drawing anything more than that.

I haven't gotten a tablet because I'm a cheapskate, and because they're all made in China who I hate.

I did a bunch of 30 second gestures and picked the best ones.
Am I on the right track ? Is 30 seconds per gesture normal ? I find it quite difficult.
Any tips critique welcome

How do you get the Reset Display hotkey to work on CSP? I try hitting Ctrl Shift 2 but instead of reading it as Ctrl + @ it does Ctrl + 2

>>4665767
Looks good. Are you gay?

>>4665800
no homo

>>4665674
Still no advice huh? Perhaps you should find a real hobby other than putting down others frend.

>>4665782
Are you using a tablet express key for this or are you hitting that on your keyboard when it's not working?

>>4665856
Both. My Wacom won't let me bind just {Ctrl}@, I can only get it to read it in as {Ctrl}{Shift}@ which doesn't work. Hitting Ctrl + Shift + 2 on my keyboard doesn't do anything either.

>>4665861
Weird. Check your hotkeys. Honestly if that's the default and it's not letting you do it I'd just change it to something else

I tried to attempt something like this >>4662705 because it looks pretty simple but i ended up drawing this entire day and messing up many times. It's not done obviously but im posting this because i want to get some tips. How do i make it less detailed like the one i linked?

>>4665884
Block-in the big general shapes and work from that down to the specifics. You're going in with a small brush and trying to do detail work way too soon.

This is the kind of stuff you need to be doing at the start of a painting. When you get done with block-in you can move on to blending and then rendering.

https://youtu.be/7SoSKnFHGfo
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/paint-flat-01-simplicity

Another thing that would help you, specifically with hair, is James Gurney's ribbon method. It's in his book color and light as well as on his blog.

What does looking stiff mean? What is gesture drawing supposed to help with once you actually start drawing the full person/contours that you see?

>>4665913
>What does looking stiff mean?
It means your figure looks stiff. Dead. Wooden. Lifeless. Like they're a wooden board. Normal people almost never stand totally straight, you know?

>What is gesture drawing supposed to help with once you actually start drawing the full person/contours that you see?
Expressing motion, weight, balance/unbalance, and emotion. Once you can put the whole pose down on paper, you use gesture to learn how to push the pose. How much can you exaggerate a man pulling on a rope to make it seem like he's pulling it even harder? If they're carrying something, make it heavier. If they're sad, make them sadder.

Does that stuff make sense?

>>4665258
Always found this perspective/pov interesting

>>4665908
thanks

Finished FF7R today. Sephiroth was pretty cool

>>4665350
Try internet tutorials
They're free

>>4665958
neat

>>4665965
Thank you!

>>4665674
why are you liek this bruh

>>4665602
Based, just ignore crabs who want to drag you down to their level

Drawing with sanguine is hard. Any tips?

I learned something this weekend! If I hold off on inking until after coloring, I’m way less likely to lose interest in finishing a piece.

Comfy saturday afternoon.
Hot as balls
Listening to Pi'erre Bourne
Window cracked open
Drawing like garbage but hopeful to git gud in my lifetime.

Life is good right now.

>>4666050
>hopeful to git gud
>doesn't even post his work
kek

>>4666053
I said I'm drawing like garbage lad, don't selective read, what are you a woman?

>>4666004
that shit looks dope

>>4664097
Don't stop if you're having fun
There's alot you can still add on, to continue your contours and correct proportions is fun too, stay in there

>>4666050
Right on brother, keep at it

>>4662670
>sketch with a brush size i feel comfortable with
>turns out like ass
>turn brush size up with vector scaling
>instantly looks better
how

should I start with loomis or keys of drawing?

>>4666163
just start

>>4666167
fair enough

What are some good resources for learning color and how to render more efficiently/cleanly? I'm mostly interested in being able to push the colors of my reference and getting nice skin tones. Here's a study as an example of my rendering.

God, I drew too small and I can't do anything without sharpening my pencil. Have to draw bigger.

Also, how do you draw small heads (low detail) aesthetically.

>>4666163
keys to drawing and draw cylinders/cubes from different angles every now and then

>>4666163
Both are good. I think Loomis is better though

>>4666176
>copying porn
what a loser hahaha

>>4666179
i draw way too small too, id say take advantage of light to give a general feeling of the shape of the facial features like the nose or eyes

>>4666186
Pyw
>>4666176
I think marco bucci had a good series on color and rendering, marc brunet did a mini series on color picking and rendering and his work is really solid, other than that you should just study from life and other artists as much as possible, you aready seem to have a good foundation

>>4666186
What should I use as reference for porn poses for when I'll eventually want to draw porn

>>4666220
thanks anon will check them out

So im drawing on procreate and my brush strokes are super big and if I want a fine line I have to hold the pencil in tripod and use only the tip, is this normal

My arms are too weak and shaky for me to not rest my hands on my tablet while I draw, but my lines come out better if I don't rest them on the tablet

>>4665103
almost 33.

tfw you know youre gonna make it

day 7 of drawing for 2+ hours a day, i spent close 90 minutes on this

i feel like i need work on creases but i don't want to skip anything i need to learn beforehand

>>4666281
>90 minutes
There is no way it took you more than 10 minutes to draw that.

>>4666281
If it took you 90 min to draw that then I think you need to step back and work on something more basic. Your lines lack confidence, your proportions are way off (both legs are way too short for instance), and the entire thing looks flat. Did you actually use any construction or did you just try to copy the contours of the picture?

>>4666308
i just tried copying the contours without tracing. if i try to work on something more basic, it just bores me out and i quit halfway through.

you sure the legs are short? besides the bent knee being too narrow, it's the arms that's the problem from laying it over my reference

>>4666353
>it just bores me out and i quit halfway through.
do you not see what the problem might be here

>>4666235
look at the greatest artists of our time and then ask if they thought about copying porn

>>4666295
It would have taken me four hours

>>4666379
not really, i'd rather take a longer time working on something i enjoy than grinding out boxes and circles. my line confidence, while still shit, is getting better

10min imagination exercise on gray tone

>>4666391
Enjoy taking forever on simple poses and having terrible knowledge of anatomy then

ref
I know this is a bad ref, but it just feels comfortable for what I felt like doing

>>4666404
i've been drawing for just a week dude, i know i'm not shit

>>4666405
today's attempt
I only looked up loomis chart for face, because I'm doing all easy going

>>4666281
>>4666353
I'm pulling this out of my /beg/ ass, but try to think in terms of shapes rather than lines. Might make your drawing more coherent.

>>4666405
>>4666408
previous attempt

>>4666408
I know I put lips too lower which then fucked up jaw, but after how much time I spent drawing them, I didn't feel like doing it again so

>>4666408
Pay more attention to which parts are light and dark. The nose doesn't need such a strong outline, for example.

>>4666391
OK, but there is a lot of value, particularly if your goal is to get proportions right, in doing it over and over and over, etc. a sense of proportion is built much faster when you do 25 poses a day rather than 1. a sense of proportion means when you're drawing the arm or leg you just kind of "know" how big it is. to refine this sense, do a lot of poses rather than just one. it seems counter-intuitive but it actually works. which is why everybody recommends it.

>>4666380
But I don't want to be one of the greatest artists of our time I want to draw porn

>>4666353
>you sure the legs are short?
Yes, the problem here being that the leg on the left was drawn as though it is completely straight, when in your reference there's a noticeable bend to it. Not accounting for the bend means you gave him a weird midget leg. Also the other leg was drawn in such an unreadable fashion I'm not even sure how to go about critiquing it, I'd have legitimately no idea what you were going for had you not included the ref. Basic stuff doesn't have to mean grinding out boxes and circles, you could instead do studies of easier poses. Try to get references where the models are nude or close to it so you can see how each of the features twists and bends under the clothes. When you just try to draw someone wearing baggy ass clothes without understanding what they look like under the clothes, you end up with a messy drawing with bad anatomy.

>>4662670
New thread
>>4666441

>>4666439
oh damn, i see where i went wrong on the legs now

you're definitely right, i definitely need to focus on more basic poses and tighter anatomy. thanks for the help

>>4666412
Thanks anon, that seems like a good thing to learn for me.

>>4666070
<3

>>4666926
that shit looks shit.

Me again. After fucking up yesterday >>4665884 i decided to try again with different face and this >>4665908 helped me a lot. I started with this "block in" and it really made it easier but i still managed to fail my goal which was this simple style >>4662705. Any other tips?

This isn't finished either but i've learned a lot yesterday.

>>4666407
You're way better than me after just a week.

>>4667534
Why exactly?

>>4665054
Soul

Is trying to learn to draw exclusively with pen a good idea or some dumb shit I came up with?

PS CS6 with Mouse.