/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4663458
Can someone explain the “draw the rest of the owl” meme? I mean these are fine if you wanna draw mediocre flat anime shit. Its easy?

>>4664644
if you cant draw this then you are genuinely shit

nothing bad here, just higher level tutorials. now I know why /ic/ can't draw

>>4664680
why

>>4664648
>“draw the rest of the owl” meme
its based on a joke image pointing out how a lot or art resources explaining the process had seemingly unexplained jumps in quality and polish from one step to the other that are the actual part most people actually have issue with, from there the joke:
-draw some circles
-then draw the rest of the fucking owl
and because art is a process with a million steps working in parallel, and not a strict heterogenous render with a computer where you can see each specific element being created in a specific way, a LOT of tutorials online dont show how things go from boxes and spheres to actual people or animals or objects

>>4664648

>>4664663
how did he accurately place the face parts?
how did he place light and shadow?
how did he gave that drawing the illusion of form and volume?

>>4663458
Fun with a pencil is the biggest example

>>4664712

>>4664712
>>4664737

>>4663458
It's hilarious just how unaware these artists are, how it comes natural to them to assume everyone is able to do these gigantic steps. It's kind of cute

>>4664712
it really isnt. if you believe this then youre just terrified to ever try to apply a lesson on your own or experiment.

>how can i play guitar the book doesnt even tell me how to pick it up wtf do i do wtfffffffff!!!

>>4663458

>>4664790
what exactly don't you understand with this aside from the moonrunes? it's a straightforward hair shading tutorial

>>4664811
It doesn't explain tangerine trees and marmalade skies.

>>4664798
God i fucking hate this kind of tutorial.

>>4664823
That's just someone showing their art process. Also you're missing the other parts of that one.

>>4664820
Why

>>4664838
You are a liar and a deceiver.

>>4664842
there's too much information, poorly organized, poorly written, in a small space. Makes everything so damn confusing.

"Just copy anime, the fundies are where the fun dies". If you can't udnerstand basic construction just give up.

Thanks for posting /int/ tier tutorials :^)

>>4664860
Like this?

>>4664863
this one's actually pretty good

>>4664648
Post your mediocre anime shit

>>4664861
Lmao right? Only a few of these are what OP asked for. The rest are just out of their skill level

>>4664809
What is this one even about?

>>4664809
>dont draw eye bad, draw eye good!

>>4664861
>tfw /ic/ tells you you're /int/ without having to post work
feelsgoodman.jpg

>shit tutorial
>made by a asian

everytime

>>4664663
Then put up or shut up.

>>4664908
Lmao what is actually going on here? Is it just telling you to git gud?

>>4664918
He's telling you his life story

>>4664847
i dunno why but this made me laugh

>>4664918
>the more you draw, the faster you improve
>trace, copy
>observe a lot, draw a lot
yeah, seems so
I don't feel like deciphering the rest of handwriting with my mad N5 skillz though.

>>4663458
What is the problem with this? This exact same thing is in Fun With a Pencil.

This is why I never ask other artists for tutorials. At the end of the day you just need to practice your fundamentals

Most of these are actually quite useful

>>4664836
>make sure to constantly change proportions

>>4665143
They are, just not for true beginners. Some people trying to run before they walk

>retard /beg/s make spam tutorial threads and hoard tutorials
>retard /beg/s can't actually do anything with the tutorials
pottery

>>4665341
More for me :^) hehehehe

I am starting to understand why this board has become so trash in the past 5 years.
No one knows what the fuck they are doing

Let's just post fun silly tutorials now

>>4664807
This has got to be the most useless bullshit.

>>4665504
It's just a reference. I don't think it's useless honestly. Don't really get why it's in here either.

>>4664844
>>4664823

What exactly am I lying about? Can you read?

>>4665516

>>4663458

>>4664794
this is literally just telling you "the acromion process exists"

>>4665534
no, you see it's in japanese so it's secret knowledge you can't learn in the west

No wonder nips are so bad at drawing with "guides" like this

>>4663458
This one shows a proportional guide for 8 head tall characters and how to use primitive shapes and forms to establish proportions quickly. The idea of this is to have a simple 'model' to build proportions quickly. I do not really recommend this approach, instead I recommend
https://www.deviantart.com/cushart/art/Tutorial-576687646
and
https://youtu.be/DaG-cBidCBw?t=107
As it allows you to place your figure in perspective and relates proportions to something other than the head, which is more useful.
>>4664644
This is silly, don't follow 'tutorials' like this. It is drawing a specific character for no purpose other than drawing that specific character. If any value to be had from this, I would say it shows some of the characteristic shape design used by 'anime' artists.
>>4664647
This is Krenz, I would highly recommend you study his work and use his tutorials.
Here he is showing how to group hair clusters and designing the strands with asymmetry. He shows how to place these clusters onto a form. He also shows how you can design clusters in a more gestural manner for different types of hair.
>>4664656
This is a 'line of action' method for establishing gesture. You essentially use a strong 'action line' to establish a flow then build a simple model based on that, then build the forms based on that model.
This particular tutorial shows how you can use an S curve as the line of action to get dynamic poses.

>>4664681
This one is a basic 'manga' facial proportional guide, not really much to say about it. I do like how he shows his method of establishing the points in which the hair will flow from. If you look at 4 and 6, that is how he figures out where the hair will flow from.
>>4664683
This is the same as many others. Build a rough skeletal gesture, build forms on top, refine for your character. He is also showing how proportions change with perspective and how he wraps ellipses in order to figure that perspective.
>>4664686
This is neat, have not seen this before either. He is trying to show the sweet spot between something being flat and having 'too much form'. I could see why that is confusing, but if you think about it in the context of perspective it makes more sense. In order to get 'too much form' you would have to be viewing it from the top, which is shows here. Consider how the layers and forms would overlap depending on which formation is closer and farther from the viewer.
>>4664790
1. Line art
2. Flat color
3. Shadows
4. Reflected light
5. Highlights
6. Color adjustment
>>4664794
This shows the gesture and action of the shoulder girdle. It shows the how the girdle moves with the arm.
The forth image shows how the scapula rotates when the arm is raised
The fifth image shows how the scapula moves forward and backward when the arm is moved forward and backward, respectively.
>>4664795
Just a poor proportional guide
>>4664798
This is NSIO and his tutorials are excellent https://www.deviantart.com/nsio/gallery/45894768/tutorials
Here he is showing how to simplify complex forms into simple primitive forms so you can more easily establish perspective and proportion. Boxes, cylinders, spheres, and cones are far easier to draw than say a leg or arm. Use these primitive forms to place your figures in space and establish your proportions. This way you have solved many problems before considering things like anatomy.

>>4664802
This is a fucking excellent hair tutorial. He essentially shows how to place hair as a volume onto another volume has well as how hair is disrupted by other objects, areas of detail, and shape design. Cannot really say anything better than he already described. So just read the damn thing.
>>4664807
This is just a phenotype guide, pretty useful for figuring out how to design a character I feel
>>4664808
This just shows that it is easier to start with a simplified gesture and build forms over it than to try to start with forms right away. But, honestly, just delete this one from your drive because it is shit

>>4664809
This one is neat. >>4664887 >>4664897. Starting from the top two eyes: He is showing that the implied lines make up the eye shape based on the shown curves. If you see his dotted lines, that is showing the implied line/shape. See how it meets awkwardly in the first eye and more cleanly and appealing in the second?
The second set shows how the eyeball shape fits into the skull. If you figure the diameter of the eyeball it should fit more naturally into the skull. Observe the dotted transparent circle showing this diameter. See how the first one is clearly too large and the second is a more normal size. He even gives a little proportional measure from the frontal bone to the ear and places the rear corner of the eye at the halfway mark. This is relatively good for that type of character. But basically it is showing to keep the eye diameter in check.
The third set is showing a common mistake for beginner 'anime' artists where they just start throwing in nonsense highlights and shadows. The cornea, or the lens of the eye, is a convex lens that sits on top of the iris (colored part). This is what creates the highlight on shadow effect of the second eye. As the light hits the convex lens it creates a highlight and light passes through the lens onto the iris.
The last part is just showing how to use lines when creating a profile view
>>4664812
This one basically shows another common mistake be beginners in messing up the perspective of the eye. It shows that in profile view how the eye should face and how the top eyelid is responsible for most of the eyelid closure.
>>4664817
I cannot say anything about this better than he said in the image already. Read carefully and try to understand
>>4664818
Absolutely best tutorial in the thread

>>4664836 >>4664837
These two show the same thing as many others but in a poor way. Again, build gesture model, add forms, refine
>>4664847
lol this one shows a common mistake when beginners try to draw the draw. It is showing how you should think of the jaw as a truncated pyramid in order to establish it's perspective.
>>4664855
This is just showing, as many others in this thread (in case you are slow in the head) that you should build a simplified figure from primitive forms to establish gesture and perspective. He even references the proko 'bean' exercise which is incredibly useful. I highly recommend proko's figure drawing course for understanding this kind of method to figure drawing.
>>4664863
Again, a very similar one to the rest but it also shows how can build a figures perspective and proportion using a box for placement and as a guide. I am pretty sure Loomis shows this exact method in Figure Drawing for all its Worth. Another thing it points out is overlaping form which is KEY for showing perspective especially with more ambiguous forms like muscles
>>4664870
Proportion and construction breakdown of the head, this is the method Loomis teaches in drawing the head.
>>4664907
Same as above really.

>>4665592
>This is a fucking excellent hair tutorial
No it's garbage, literally draw a circle then draw and perfectly render the rest of the fucking hair

>>4665596
>>4665593
>>4665592
>>4665591
>>4665590
you're pretty based, anon

>>4665598
Not the fault of the tutorial maker that you have a low IQ. That hair tutorial is the single best one I have seen. Educate yourself

>>4665603
It's not a tutorial, it goes from a circle and a cloth to a perfectly rendered hair, it's literally fucking nothing. Also pyw

>>4665606
You are not thinking about these things correctly
Art tutorials like that are not like cooking tutorials with a step 1,2,3...
They show CONCEPTS
You are looking at these the entirely wrong way, you need to think conceptually or you will never be able to make use of these types of tutorials. I do not even want to know what you would make of something like Bridgeman. If you truly wish to understand I can help explain some of the concepts, but it seems to me like you just wish to be antagonistic so I don't really think it will be worth my time.

>>4664656
Gives you a gesturline and pelvis to ribcage ratio and angle , gives you all the primitive forms to fill in the gesture line, oh no i have to know musclegroups that i need to put over the mannequin , jfc how much more does it need to be simplified for you weebshits , this is why people tell you to grab an actuall anatomy books too , get some fucking Hamton and learn what to draw over the manueqin you degenarate

>>4665661
This is bad, really bad...
This is the kind of thing that happens when you have a person who just blindly follows tutorials and makes one himself.
He took the concept of creating a gesture model then he just drew flat shapes on top of it.
His figure is stiff and totally flat.
You need to add FORM
Very awful

>>4665661
>>4665668
How is it that japan prevailed in making such attractive fictional characters, adhering to real life anatomy but also keeping it very apart, while western influenced artists generally draw ugly and samey looking characters?

>>4665670
I WAS LISTENIN'

>>4665667
Explain further

>>4665665

>>4665645
>you need to think conceptually or you will never be able to make use of these types of tutorials.
explain

>>4665596
>Proportion and construction breakdown of the head, this is the method Loomis teaches in drawing the head.
I understand but now we apply it to animu

but how do we make it more fun?

>>4665517
>>4665516
You are a LIAR! A DECEIVER! I'll never fall for your tricks again, never!

>>4665308
How so

People can't even explain it right.

>>4665937
Draw the things that make you happy

>>4665928
Where would you like me to start?
With that hair tutorial specifically?

>>4665947
yes, cuz my hair sucks

>>4665950
okay give me a while to type and make some images

>>4665951
in the meantime have another look at how i draw hair

>>4665964
Okay, so in the first part of that hair tutorial he is trying to teach you that hair is not dissimilar in form to a cloth laid over a sphere.
If you look at number one, think about what makes your brain understand that the form underneath is spherical, look how the cloth adapts to the form of the sphere. Hair is very similar to this as it adapts to the form beneath it. What he shows it 'cutting it up' which I tried to emulate with number 2.
Observe how the cloth wraps around the sphere. The sphere, like the head, dictates a majority of the form of the cloth and hair will do the same. Hair, however still does have its own volume so you have to keep that in mind.
And if you look at number 3 you will see how that may be applied to a skull. See how the cloth takes the form of skull underneath, see how it still wraps around the form of the cranium?

>>4666005
thank you I'll have to practice drawing spheres draped in cloths to get a better feel like your explaination till I finally understand it

>>4666009
Yeah, one thing you should definitely work on is your line weight and face construction. Though I did the cuteness of what you are going for

>>4666016
>Though I did the cuteness of what you are going for
Thank you, I definitely have lots to work on. I think I kinda understand the process of lineweight, but I'm not sure if most artists use vector mode to fix their lines however I read that some artists start off with a really big canvas. Like 6000x6000 or more and usually start off with the sketching and lineart, then they shrink the image resolution so it won't be too big but I'm not sure if that is an effective way for someone who still has much to learn.

>>4666005
you're wasting your time, this dude has drawn hair this way for 3 years now. look up rabbit on the archive for filename

>>4666075
it doesn't hurt to improve

>>4664697
because /ic/ spends its time shitposting instead of drawing

>>4666110
Even you??

>>4666135
"We’re all shitposters here. I’m a shitposter. You’re a shitposter."
"How do you know I’m a shitposter?" said Anon.
"You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn’t have come here.”

>>4666094
>>2931934
you clearly have no idea. this is autism that doesn't want to improve.

>>4666146
that's why we're all here

>>4664817
Are there any more line weight tutorials like these? This is some shit I struggle with.

Also idk if whoever image.png/jpg is thinks that these are genuinely bad tutorials, and is just too beginner to know what they mean or if he just turned this into a tutorial dump thread

>>4666178
>or if he just turned this into a tutorial dump thread
yes

>>4666146
Is that bad

which

>>4665663
This one is actually quite helpful.

>>4666522
Explain

>>4664708

what is drawing?

>>4666555
I'll take two for twenty

>>4666146
So he's like Gaiash?

what is he

what are ya

You can't scape loomis..

I can't

ITT nothing but /beg/ kids who are impressed by details and don't realize that the foundation elements are like 90% of the drawing and once you get that down solid all the spiky hairs and belts and bullshit is fucking easy mode if you actually have any drawing skill. stop focusing on all the decorative bullshit or you'll never ever git gud

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>>4665670
>adhering to real life anatomy but also keeping it very apart,
its literally simplified human bodies but with a head that has nothing do with human anatomy

>>4664712
I literally went through the whole book. It is simple, like even the beginner faces. It just teaches fundamentals?

>>4664870
I hate anime so goddamn much. Not only the style, which looks like a tween's attempt to draw a barbie doll, but the writing. Holy fuck the writing, son of a bitch the voice acting. Holy ass the humor, the fucking culture, I fucking hate anime, the tropes, the cringe, the cliches, the fucking "dere" archetypes holy fucking shit I hate anime so damn much.

>>4669063
You need to calm down sonny

>>4669063
Calm down, son. It's just a drawing not the real thing.

>>4665666
Can we get part 2 of this?

>>4665663
I really like this tut, but what is wrong with the colour scheme he says to never use?

>>4672533
I can't figure it out either or if it's a joke because the title image uses it/it's "his"

>>4672651
what

>>4669063

>>4672868
I remember seeing this somewhere

OP is a /beg/ who thinks anatomical/gesture/perspective guides with moonrune text are supposed to be step-by-step guides.

>>4669063
k thanks for your input you can go back to watching Steven Universe now

>>4672651
The title image uses cym not the one he says to not use. The one he says to not use is more of a sunset colour scheme, which is why I don’t get why he’s against it.

>>4672533
I went on his deviantart and checked, he just thinks it’s overused

>>4664837
>>4664836
werid inconsistent proportions

>>4665656
these pics looks werid desu

>>4677061
that's a problem i find still today with a lot of these tutorials. old weebs and deviantart tutorials get unwarranted praise by bad artists and constantly reposted despite being bad. there's still a shocking amount of people on /ic/ who are deviantards or from tumblr

>>4664790
I actually really like this one.

>>4677061
because the anatomy in the drawings is abyssmal, but he distracts you from it with the decent presentation, polished turds if you may.
Dude has no business teaching others, but if he made that "tutorial" for learning himself then it's alright I guess.

>>4677300
>the anatomy in the drawings is abyssmal
okay, pyw then-- DaVinci

>>4677326
follow me on twitter too I post once a month and have 2 followers
https://twitter.com/cheetoschrist1

>page 1 is "protip dude: don't draw on a hard surface with a single sheet of paper, put more sheets under it"
>page 2 is assumes you already know how to vanishing points or have even heard of them before

epic pedagogy bro

>>4677545
He explains more than that. You ever actually read the book or did you just skim through it looking for things to cherrypick?

>>4677326
Looks like you got owned, /beg/tard

>>4677355
>actually posts work
amazin!
however
maybe if you drew more like mr.bad anatomy
you'd have more followers
:)

but most the tutorials are decent
do you not understand the meme? Its for tutorials that show you how to draw one image and skip major steps, most these tutorials aren't skipping steps, they just assume you somewhat know how to draw and need help with gestures or whatever

>>4678058
I think autists see "tutorial" thread and that's it, then they do their ritual spamming thread topic be damned.

>>4678058
>>4678071
If you read the thread you'd see that some people were posting "draw the rest of the owl" type shit while ngmi beginners were posting shit too advanced for them and they decided to just make it a tutorial posting thread instead.

Stupid shit though. OP should have just deleted this.

ITT: /beg/s out themselves.

>>4677572
I have H2D right here on my desk and I'm sure it's a great reference if you already know what you're doing but it fails hard at its premise of teaching absolute novices, because it's literally draw the fucking owl tier and its presentation of ideas is completely schizophrenic. It goes from "heh you can learn to draw kiddo, talent matters less than hard work" at the beginning of chapter 1 to using a bunch of perspective terminology without explaining any of it five pages later.

I am a /beg/ retard who did a few lessons of drawabox so I got H2D out of curiosity even though I had already heard it's like this and not really a beginner book, but still figured it'd be cool to skim around and get ideas/find things to look into and maybe come back to when I'm better. If I didn't already do drawabox I would be completely confused by chapter 1 of H2D lol, it's a turbo shit tool for teaching noobs. This isn't even a controversial opinion but I was surprised by how bad it is, it is completely mismarketed.

>>4677692
cope more, /beg/tard

>>4678755
how to draw isn't for total novices.check keys to drawing or drawing on the right side of the brain.

>>4677355
nice doodles kiddo

>>4666005
wait are you the guy who made that photo of the shoebox?

>>4664703
it's the shading part what boggles my mind with this thing.

>>4664863
art by chris meztner

I'm surprised no one has posted this yet

>>4679081
it's a shit tumblr meme. the original tutorial which i can't find isn't like that. i do remember newspaper cartoon "how tos" which were just like the meme but the original picture is a fine tutorial with like 8 or 10 steps.

>>4679081
what's so mind boggling about it
it's just a photo study

>>4678860
>insults
I'll take my shit over your shit any day!
but that was genuine advice
maybe draw more than once a month
and draw what people want to see
and you'd have more followers
:)

>>4678931
sure but the problem is it claims to be, which is the purpose of this thread.

>>4664915
And while you're shutting up put a shirt on
At least a button up (yuck)
Are they artists or stripping males
No work jerks since they shut down Chippendales.