/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

How do I effectively draw shadows, color, and lighting effectively in digital?
Anyone else have issue drawing straight curves in krita? (If I add too much delay in the stabilizer it feels weird especially since it's a small tablet)

>>4643730
im so tired of competing to be seen
might as well give up all hope and draw coom art

I'm trying to do vilppu's way of figure drawing but I can't. What am I doing wrong?
I watched his video.
I'm putting contour lines and bending the figure more so it's not as stiff but it still looks terrible

>>4643787
>Anyone else have issue drawing straight curves in krita? (If I add too much delay in the stabilizer it feels weird especially since it's a small tablet)
How small?
I find it impossible to draw straight lines and circles even after a lot of practice with my small wacom (6.0 x 3.7 in) I can just about do large curves though.

I will continue later today, how is it so far?

Thoughts?

>>4643860
Looks like some sort of mysterious villain who manipulates from the shadows.

>>4643840
It takes a lot of practice, for real. For now, pay attention to the proportion of the figure. Gesture is so hard just because you really can't do it unless you can already draw the figure well. Just cycle through the videos, don't get bogged down by one lesson, and when you come back you'll find your gestures are lot better.

>>4643852
Looks really good. I would say her left eye is a bit too high up. The band isn't quite following the perspective fo the head. And I would paint in the chain-mail if I were you (though its optional). I would also draw in the line of her pec pulling up onto the shoulders as well, or the armpit just looks weird.

>>4643835
If you're "competing to be seen", I'd study more composition. That's literally the point of composition after all.

>>4643730

A belated thank you to these anons from the previous thread.

>>4643136
>>4642266

>>4643887

>>4643860
The hat is huge and out of proportion. Gotta measure everything. Moustache looks great.

Any advice to get over perfectionism?

>>4643942
recognize that you can't make a drawing into a masterpiece by keeping fucking with it. See failure as a learning experience. Try to be giddy with finding out how you failed because that's where you will find out how to be better.

If you don't let yourself fail you'll get stagnant.

>>4643942
Perfectionism is good and it helps you overcome the pull of mediocrity. Just don't waste 4 hours polishing a turd drawing.

>>4643942
draw bad on purpose

>>4643942
When you are working on something note everything you aren't happy about. Stop working on it and then practise those things, the redraw the thing you were working on.

from imagination

where do I need to improve the most?

Mmkay. I did some small changes as I was told in the other thread. I went on ahead and copy-flipped the image so we could see the whole head. I didn't edit the cheekbones because I'm trying to stop re-drawing everything I do. So, what you're looking at is what I could fix via Photoshop.

I'm sure something's still wrong, so please let me know what it is. Thanks!

>>4643980
You are still symbol drawing. Read the sticky.

Can someone post Proko's Proportion Poster of Richer, Hale and Loomis?

>>4643958
>>4643958
Your forms are still "floppy". I'd recommend working on getting a basic structural mannequin down. Draw the figure as literal geometric cylinders, eggs, and cubes. Proko has a good video on this. Don't think that you're above this exercise, like I did when I was a beg

>>4643860
hodler

>>4643980
Symbol drawing galore. You need pic related asap.

>>4643987
Thanks. But, I have a question:
Do you understand what it is I'm trying to convey in the drawing? I'm trying to get some realism into my art, but I want to use my own style of drawing. Drawing what I see helps with objective rendering, but it doesn't help with stylizing. So, wouldn't it be more productive for me to grasp skeleton sketching and proportions for now?

just found this board - how do my copies look, and how can i improve? (plus one pose purely from imagination)

>>4643993
thanks

>>4643730
lol yes

>>4643998
> realism
>own style of drawing.
> objective rendering,

Learn to draw basic things properly first, as the other guy stated you're symbol drawing.

>>4644005
Okay. So, where do i start? Don't just say "read sticky" and expect me to figure out what you're talking about. You're all saying the same things.

>>4643730
I wanted to capture how I've been feeling the past couple of days.

I don't see symbol drawing as inherently evil if you're aiming for more cartoony designs rather than realism.

>>4644007
See >>4643997.

Sticky`s here >>1579290

>>4644010
My goal is to mix both cartoonish fantasy with realism.
I know humans don't have ridiculously inflated lips and exaggerated cheekbones. This is obvious. I'm worried about placement and appeal.

>>4644007
you need to draw from reference and look very closely at the actual angles and values on the reference. If you look at references you will immediately see that your eye angles are completely off and don't match what a 3d eye looks like
If you don't learn how to draw realistically your stylization won't have any appeal because it will look wrong

>>4644022
I'm going to be honest: I want to believe you. But, I have to see it to believe it. Can you show me an example of what you're saying? Just something, with everything you're talking about illustrated?

>>4644001
You should start with gesture first.
https://line-of-action.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing#
Take 30sec time and try to draw the gesture.

The gesture is the energy that flows thorough the body. So its more about getting an active looking stickfigure then a full fletched persons drawing

I remember there was this one class I took on art in college, years ago.
There was two distinct things I remembered about it:
1. I put a lot of time, effort, and focus into a drawing for one assignment and got a C- on the finished work, but I thought it was great...
2. There was an end-of-course assignment due and I didn't have have 30 sketches needed to complete the course. So, the literal night before the due date, I effortlessly scribbled a bunch of (what I thought was) garbage sketches of cartoon-y dragons and boys/girls and this same professional illustrator told me they were magnificent and gave me an A+ for it all.

This is what confuses me about art. lmao

>>4644005
>>4644022
>>>/r9k/58565027
Don't bother with this guy please. He's mentally ill and not going to accept advice/critique.

>>4644054
Alright, now I'm being called "mentally-ill."
For, what reason, idk. What's the point of directing me here, if you're then going to tell people not to bother with me?
I guess I'll just shitpost from now, because taking projecting narcissists seriously is always a mistake.

I have no idea how to render beyond putting down a base color and shadow, i don't know how to use more than two values, my blending doesn't work and my highlights are always off. Fuck.

>>4644025
>>4644007
Are you a child, a moron, or both?

>>4644070
10/10 advice: just start insulting people.
Yeah, I'll just shitpost from now on. Fuck this board. You're probably a tranny. lmao

>>4644061
You refuse any advice given to you and you try very hard to undermine it by taking it personally, which is why I am indeed convinced that you are ill.
Your drawing is just a symbol drawing. You are drawing the idea of what you think eyes/noses/ears look like. This is your problem. The sticky talks in detail about symbol drawing and how to learn to draw what you see as opposed to what you think you see. This is why people tell you to read the sticky.

>>4644061
We answered your questions multiple times and you've proven to be unable to take any critique nor advice, as the other anon said. There's no reason to waste any more time with you. Read the sticky, read the book I recommended or fuck off and keep being shit. Your choice.

>>4644068
Ref.

>>4644077
>>4644078
Alright. I've gone off and done my own thing before on other things and came out very well in the end. I guess I'll do the same with this, since you elitist twats can't answer simple questions.

I asked for an example and what you mean and you couldn't even produce that. Have fun jerking each other off, I guess. Bye.

>>4644076

Like these guys said
>>4644077
>>4644078
>>4644054
You want advice, you got legitimate advice. If you aren’t willing to invest a little effort into studying don’t expect others to bend over backwards to spoonfeed a guy who’s going absolutely nowhere with his art, because he refuses to try. You have been recommended free, helpful resources. Be thankful you got any replies if the first place because your portrait was honestly too low effort to critique. This is a board for those who want to study, if you want to have your ass kissed go to reddit or DeviantArt

>>4644085
good luck retard

now fuck off

>>4644085
Please post your work that came out well

>>4644079
Tip one if you want to study rendering/coloring just trace if you are gonna use a ref, and what program are you using

>>4643752
Why

>>4644096
Clip Studio Paint.

Are these good for gestures form imagination?

>>4644091
>Be thankful you got any replies if the first place because your portrait was honestly too low effort to critique.
Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize Your Highness was not only able to judge effort from just looking at art, but also had such valuable information only worthy of certain individuals' eyes!
>if you want to have your ass kissed go to reddit or DeviantArt
The funny thing is that whenever I posted my attempts, I made it known that I thought they were garbage. This showing how up your own asses you are. You're so disconnected from people that you can't relate enough to understand where we're coming from.
>>4644094
That's not what I said. lmao
I said I've done my own thing on OTHER THINGS and came out very well in the end. Yeah, I'm making a good choice by not taking further advice from people who can't even read.

Peace, for real.

>>4644105
Just let the faggots duke it out.

>>4644103
The pure essence of permabeg right here

>>4644103
lol at least your delusional meltdowns are more entertaining than depressed /beg/s

>>4644100
why don't you use a better ref if what you want o learn is blending instead of one with flat colors

>>4644111
Dubs + trips don't lie.

>>4644117
because flat colors are more easy to visualize, so i just wanted to do the same picture but with bending.

>4643893
Use a thicker pen size for the outline
Use clean confident strokes
Add small shadow according to light source
Add lighter linework according to light source

At least, that's how I did it

>>4644101
yeah, coming up with a pose from just imagination is hard

Dunno. Made this for a cousin who is selling her home-made hamburgers and pizza. She just say "draw someone cute"

>>4644146
Not bad. I like it.

>>4643980
This is b8

is blending the lineart with the color a good idea?if not what would i need to do?

before and after i blended btw

>>4644146
She gets sued by Wendys

>>4644025
look

the shape of an eye is not described by two arcs

>>4643980
WOW Anon, this is amazing, you've definitely got something special here. I can see exactly what you were going for and I'm quite qualified in the art world I assure you.

Would you leave any contact details? I'd like to discuss some propositions!

All i can do is copy. I can’t believe ive been doing this wrong for an entire year. I feel so fucking dumb

>>4644225
Based. Post work

>>4644229
this is the longest ive spent on one drawing and it isnt even very good

>>4644235
It's ok. If you told me that this is your style I couldn't say anything.

>>4643989
patreon?

>>4644103
Fuck off to reddit. please. You'll fit right in.

>>4644172
Is this a meatball or just some one with their muscles all randomized?

>>4644259
Baki character. The author lives to draw them like that

>>4643730
is he crying?

>>4644265
yeah, i wanted to try copiying his anatomy and it is maybe harder to give them color bc of this

>>4644265
isn't that just sagat from street fighter?

>>4644187
We have Goku making tacos and Bart smoking weed. I'm sure nobody will give a shit

>>4644279
Maybe try hard brushes?

I hope all of you die and burn in hell you degenerate pieces of shit!

>>4644189
It's too late.
I've already written this board off as a bunch of self-smelling assholes.
Advise someone else.

>>4644219
>being this delusional in your opinions on someone else that you actually believe they'll fall for obvious lies when they themselves think their own art is shit
Either that, or you're just fishing for more (you)s.

Feedback please.

>>4644296
See? This is why I was suspicious of that asshole who said I was int yesterday. You people are chronic liars. Fuck all you fuckers. Your mom should be raped to death by a pack of feral niggers.

>>4644302
Don't let these sociopaths get to you, bro.
Just draw for yourself, until you like your own art.
That's what I'm gonna do. In the meantime, I'll keep shitposting.

>>4644301
The joke is funny but nothing new.
You should also study more fundies like perspective

>>4644294
>>4644189

>>4644301
Why is that cat such an asshole? I need a origin story.

>>4644314

>>4644302
>>4644307

Can you stop samefagging and go to reddit? You are clogging up the board with you shitposts. Stop posting asshole.

>>4644319
NGMI crab nigger.

>>4644319
>Th-there's no way more than 1 person could share the same opinions about us! Protect the circlejerk!

>>4644337
Then you're both fucking psychotic retards.

>>4644340
>mfw I've already seen dozens of posts criticizing the shit atmosphere of this garbage board
>Y-you psychopath! What you're seeing isn't real!
Gaslight harder, buddy.

>>4644343
FUCKING STOP AND GET ONTOPIC. how hard is this for you guys? Go make a fucking sob thread on r9k or something. christ.

>>4644346
>keeps responding

>>4644346
If you don’t like being told what a piece of shit you are then stop being such a piece of shit, you nigtarded shitlicker.

How do I know when I'm ready to start on gesture and anatomy?

I still need to finish the robot. Also this is like my 3rd ditial drawing.

>>4644010
Symbol drawing is stylization. The problem people have is if you don't learn from realism then your stylised symbols are going to look wrong or unnappealing because to simplify realism requires understanding realism

>>4644385
Don’t think you should build up to it. Just do it. You’ll see what you don’t know and can improve from there. If you wait until
you feel you’re read to try something, you’ll never think you’re ready.

>>4644225
>>4644235
Copying is a good first step. Good way to train the eye. If you want to be able to do more than copy you need to be learn perspective, anatomy and draw a ton of whatever it is you want to build a visual library.

>>4644385
Also, don’t make the mistake of thinking these skill sets (lighting, anatomy, gesture, etc.) exist in silos. They all interact with each other and inform one another. Yes, practicing gestures is useful, but until you start mixing that with anatomy you won’t properly understand how certain joints work. Until you mix in lighting you get a proper understanding of depth and how parts overlap. Grinding fundies is useful, but you need to dive into things you’re unprepared for to get any real benefit out of them. It’ll look like shit, definitely, but you’ll learn a lot in the process.

>>4618155
Which one of these under COLOR, PAINTING, VALUES are good to start for a /beg/? I've been reading the resources listed under the Light and Value section in the Big Sticky but I want something more formal.

>>4643860
Looks really cool. I would drop the neko mimi though

So hypothetically, if I were to draw these people, how exactly is it conveyed that their left legs are closer to the camera than their right legs, and that the foot is closer to the camera than the knee? What are the factors that portray distance from the camera?

Does anyone have some good tutorials on painting drapery?

>>4644041
Maybe the art teacher saw you wasting time polishing a turd that only you thought was good, then saw all the effort you put it in just to get 30 sketches in one day.

>>4644385
If you can draw from observation/have finished Keys to drawing you can start doing gesture/figure drawing. I've just started learning anatomy but I think it's mostly useful for fixing your drawings from imagination and you'll need to be comfortable with f e e l i n g t h e f o r m s.

What do you think?
Looking for advice
Thanks

>>4644508
I think they're rather nice anon, good job

>>4644471
>"then saw all the effort you put it in just to get 30 sketches in one day."
>Another retard that can't read, trying to get in a snarky jab for le epic win
I'll copy and paste for the Woke one: "So, the literal night before the due date, I <<effortlessly>> scribbled a bunch of (what I thought was) garbage sketches of cartoon-y dragons and boys/girls."

>>4644463
Well, Shadows and lights mostly. In the case you go with lineart the thicker the line the closer will it be

>>4644517
Not him but that sounds like more of a teacher thing. Besides it's college so who knows maybe the dude was handing out free A's cause he needed to report a better average to the board or whatever. I went to a shit school and have been in courses where more than half the class had a failing grade, but then everyone got bumped up because the professor literally couldn't fail that many people. Sometimes it feels like they just do it in a "fuck it you're not my problem anymore" fashion.

>>4644534
No. This guy personally called me out into the hallway, look me dead in my eyes -- the same way he did when he learned that I had so much determination about this that I was biking through winter frost to get to school -- and verbally told me himself with his own mouth that he was impressed and amazed with the work I put in and he wished I put in that much work throughout his whole course as it was amazing.

Again, I did he 30 sketches literally 2 hours before bedtime and didn't give a shit what my grade was, because I was fed up with putting in effort and getting low grades for it all. That's why I'm confused when it comes to art and critics. It's like nobody knows what the fuck they're talking about.

>>4644540
And again, this dude is a professional illustrator and at that time had been one for over 20 years.

>>4644511
:) thank you

>>4643835
>competiting to be seen
What? Wait until youre good before you make dumb statements like that
>>4644085
kys

>>4643752
Do you take requests? Can you draw a grey guinea pig next?

>>4644555
Trips of tribalism
You'd love that, wouldn't you?
You're not getting your way that easily.

>>4643787
Sure! Post the picture you want me to paint please!

>>4644085
fucking good riddance

fuck i move onto the next phase of the blooks and now they look like they had an unfortunate meeting with a god damn semi. what exactly am i missing here?

>they're trying to collect (You)s again

>>4644558
Maybe I would

>>4644564
well then here (you) go :D

>>4643398
Tablets aren't forever my man

>>4644543
christ that sounds rough i've always been wanting to do some kind of art class or something for college but never major in it, i would go insane with that kind of inconsistancy, kind of like how inconsistent i am with my art c:

>>4644578
>i would go insane with that kind of inconsistancy
That's exactly why I question all positive and negative criticism I get, now. I don't know who's being honest. And if they are, art is subjective: no correct way to do anything, because SOMEBODY -- just look at the furry fandom -- is gonna like it and throw e-bux at it, if it has enough fundamental stability.

I learned a lot of stuff about perspective and contour shading, but nothing really relevant to what I actually care to draw: my imaginary characters locked away in vidya and/or fictional writing. So, it ultimately was a waste of time and I'm feeling like it's the same case here in /ic/.

>>4643730
Quick (it took me whole a fucking hour!) sketch. I know that something is wrong with the hips, but can't quite point out what it is.

Everyone says to draw from the shoulder, but I have an Intuos S and it's really small. So if I want to use my whole arm either the stroke has to be really long, or I have to zoom in a lot so it takes up the entire tablet area. Is it okay to draw the sketch layer in chicken scratches if I'm essentially going to be tracing over it with the actual line art after?

>>4644587
if you only want a critique regarding hips: her butt cheeks shouldn't be visible, her thong is not on the same plane as the hips

>>4644589
Telling people to draw with their shoulder is just a cue so they don't destroy their wrists

Another day another page of ref practice.

I started out with the intention of making three complete character sketches but then I realise there's something I don't know how to draw appealingly from whichever angle. At that point the pages always devolve into ref studies. I've never completed anything.

At least I tried facial expressions. Maybe that's what todays pages should be. Just heads and faces. I need that.

Any advice would be welcome.

I'm wanting a stylised look. Something like Frank Cho crossed with Edouard Guiton. I love the structure of the former and the way the later pushes and stylises it further.

When I finally move on to colouring and inking Alphonse Mucha will be my leading inspiration.

My dream is to work on a webcomic and just do character commissions. I'm lucky enough to live in a country that won't let me go homeless and supplement whatever income I make.

>>4644563
if i could get some feedback on this that would be appreciated ik its shit i just want to know what part of it is shit so i can draw a better blook next time

>>4644637
LOOMIS, NIGGA
also
fundamentalsewoufwuefyhqouy

Drew this from imagination. The form and perspective are a little wonky, but I genuinely had fun drawing this which I haven't experienced for a while

>>4644641
see
>>4644641
git gud scrub

>>4644587
I have no idea why I did this but it was fun

>>4644638
>LOOMIS, NIGGA
THIS IS LOOMIS YOU FUCKING SPONGE

I feel like I messed up on the face>>4644635

>>4644587

>>4644587
>it took me a whole fucking hour!
This would have taken me at least 4-5

>>4644644
Were you meant to reply to someone else as well? Cause you only replied to me

>>4644635
he lips are off center which gives them the illusion of protruding forward, when usually the nose is the most forward part of the face

>>4644657
oh, sorry
see
>>4644638
also git gud scrub

>>4644663
>fundamentalsewoufwuefyhqouy
what the hell does this mean? i google searched it and i got no results so i tried looking for it in the sticky and still nothing, is this some bullshit acronym or is this that dumb thing that zoomers do to convey annoyance
>LIKE OMG LIKE FHER3UFHFO3 I CANT EVEN

>>4644648
lmao
I'm sorry. I''m just shitposting. Carry on.
I'm sure they'll have about 20 words of pro-tier jargon to throw at you without context, "explaining" why it's bad.

>>4644632
>Living Failures
bro you can get the shape and form down pat perfectly you're good

>>4644670
>is this that dumb thing that zoomers do to convey annoyance
yep
see
>>4644671

>>4644671
ah, fair enough, i think i just need to stay closer to the actual book instead of trying to free hand it, like im following the sphere shit and then the cross but after that it just gets crappy :/

How would you go about painting the hair? And shading on the face when it's stylized.


Also used snipping tool to screenshot. Enjoy the shitty compressed image.

>>4644675
Thanks man. It's just that I look at what I make and I look at where I want to be and sometimes that dissonance is just too much.

Naming my stuff 'Living Failurs' is a bit of a joke though, spawned from one of my first posts here. Pic related.

>>4644718
Please tell me how you worked your way up I'm stuck on the Keys to Drawing/Right Side of the brain books I hate it here

ok thats about as finished as it gets, hopefully it captured the likeliness of the reference.

>>4643864
Thank you for the advice, I couldn't draw the chain-mail any better tho, it was just too much small detail.

>>4644721
Honestly I was stuck for months just turning out head after head that looked like that. Got a comment on one that was something akin to

>Dude it's so painful to watch you put out those things day after day. The Loomis head is a tool and a guidline, something something

Something in me clicked, I understand that following the same construction without ever deviating would get me nowhere and that it was about 'thoughtful practice' and not 'just draw'.

Long story short:
>watched a bunch of Sinix's stuff
>Stuff like this https://www.instagram.com/p/BgBvU4EDM_g/ >Got myself a copy of Bridgemans constructive anatomy
>Given a copy of Hustons 'Figure Drawing for Artists' which really helped me got me out of a funk
>Applied Bridgeman to that
>Started looking for artists I liked the work of
>Using what I learnt I've begone to breakdown there stuff and figure out why they drew thing like thing

>>4644721
Honestly I was stuck for months just turning out head after head that looked like that. Got a comment on one that was something akin to

>Dude it's so painful to watch you put out those things day after day. The Loomis head is a tool and a guidline, something something

Something in me clicked, I understand that following the same construction without ever deviating would get me nowhere and that it was about 'thoughtful practice' and not 'just draw'.

Long story short:
>watched a bunch of Sinix's stuff
>Stuff like this https://www.instagram.com/p/BgBvU4EDM_g/ >Got myself a copy of Bridgemans constructive anatomy
>Given a copy of Hustons 'Figure Drawing for Artists' which really helped me got me out of a funk
>Applied Bridgeman to that
>Started looking for artists I liked the work of
>Using what I learnt I've begone to breakdown there stuff and figure out why they drew thing like thing

Still a massive /beg/ though and I'm afraid I'm learning the lines rather than developing an intrinsic ability to 'feel the forms' and place them correctly in space.

first exercise from keys to drawing. first time i've ever drawn anything from life. frustrated and not especially proud. did i just rush, or miss an instruction? i feel like i spent more then enough time staring at my shoes.

>>4644746
Hh Thanks, just wanna plow through these books so I can say I dont into symbol drawing anymore.

Any tips on how to build a profile? Besides
>Distance between chin to base of the nose and base of the nose to eyebrows is close to the same
>Distance between chin and lip gap is 2/3rds while lip gap to nose is 1/3rd
>lateral size of the eye is the same as the distance from the eye to the nose bridge
Also, what are some good exercise to practise values?

Is there an issue with learning fundamentals on digital vs non digital?

Why the fuck can't I focus

>>4644563
the features aren't matching with the rounded contour of the sphere. the mouth and nose look like they're from a frontal view instead of being placed on a sphere that is facing slightly to the right.

also hair goes over the skull, drape it over the sphere dont draw it on the sphere

>>4644793
this is really helpful dont get me wrong, but how do you depict something like that? making the nose mouth and eyes acutally look like their turned to the side?

>>4644761
i think it looks good for your first drawing from life. remember to resize your images

>>4644779
go with trad until you get to the point where you'll need to to buy expensive equipment

this was a bad one

>>4644765
the fact that you need things like "Chin and lip gap is 2/3rds" shows that you still need to practice a lot so you dont need a fucking rule everytime you try to draw a face

>>4644765
every face is different
if you try to work from reference, but use pre-made measures (like loomis or hampton), you'll always get it wrong
you need to measure your reference
universal stuff only works as a tool to draw from imagination, or get to the actual real proportions easier

>>4644825
not that guy but it's a teaching method. it might not be as common as doing it until you get it right but it's still a thing.

>>4644798
easiest way is to draw from reference pictures and to take note of how stuff gets angled

you can try thinking about it by simplifying the shape and then trying to place it on the sphere. So for example the bridge of the nose can be simplified as a rectangle. This rectangle follows the vertical guide line you draw on the sphere, so make sure the rectangle's base is aligned with the vertical line.

The mouth can be simplified to a horizontal line. so make sure its curvature matches the curvature that the horizontal line you draw on the brow line has.

>>4644844
i thought simplifying was bad because that led to icon drawing? also ty for taking the time to help me out ^^;

>>4644865
simplify it to basic 3d shapes*. icons are flat symbols which is bad, while simplifying things into basic components is how u construct.

>>4644868
>while simplifying things into basic components is how u construct.
thats actually huge for me i never actually thought of it that way, ty *10 for that anon C:

>>4644587
>>4644647
i want to be like you, anon

question, are the people giving advice/tips here experts? or is this like some sort of peer review, beginners giving beginners advice?

>>4644934
holy shit nigger didn't you know that only professionals are allowed to give advice here, did you really think that hobbyst niggers will be lurking this shit and giving advice and not proffesionals with a lot of free time?

i want newfgas to leave

After grinding so much fundies, I tried something different this time, using game screenshots for reference is more fun than expected, any critic is welcome

>>4644955
what? I'm just wondering if the people giving advice can actually draw, or if this is some kind of noobie peer review thread, which it kind of seems like it is.

>>4643730
Are there any resources for drawing game assets like UI and HUD stuff people here could recommend? Even just beginning spritework stuff would be appreciated.

>>4643730 New to digital art- and not the best with anatomy. Where can I improve? This is obviously just a WIP

>That one guy who gets teary eyed with his own drawings
Listening to this isn't doing me any favors
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlfC28vrEOE

>>4644987
take any advice you get with a grain of salt but yes there are some people that can draw, good guides and redlines get posted occasionally

how the fuck do I get used to digital after having used pen and paper for so long

>>4645051
just draw

>>4645054
it feels weird

I tried drawing without copying and it turned out horrible. I feel like a complete beginner

>>4645074
we all are, bucko. enjoy the ride.

>>4645057
okay?

>>4645074
>copying
>>4645087
>we all are, bucko. enjoy the ride.

>>4645093
>we're not beginners here in the beginner thread

45 second gestures. also I've pretty much exhausted quickposes images for bodies and this is the level I am in, so suit yourselves

>>4645178
pic

How the hell do I draw legs? Every time I draw them I either make the calves extremely fat and the thighs as huge as the waist, or I give the figure a thigh gap. I just want to draw regular legs that aren't massive and plain.

>>4645180
how do I gesture like you, what's your process you just go for the head and then work your way down, detailing torso/arms/legs?

>>4644146
If thats her logo then I would recommend making it simpler. If she is even using it for promotional reasons then make it simpler.

>>4644146
Lose the brush strokes and make the lines cleaner if you want her to use it professionally

>>4645187
fun exercise can be drawing over a skeleton and just insert the anatomy
if you mean you want to draw compelling legs try foreshortening them in perspective

>>4645210
It's just a silly profile Pic for her page. She told me she liked it and I didn't wanted to put too much effort on it because she was vague enough to make me kinda angry

>>4645189
it's more or less the Steve Huston's gesture method. it is relatively defined so I guess it's okay for me to talk about it but if some anon says that I told something wrong, listen the other guy since I'm a /beg/
>draw a round/box/plane/whatever for the head
>draw the centerline: the spine or an imagined projection of the spine on the front of the torso
>draw the torso and the limbs. for the limbs, draw the two C curves that pass from the edges of narrowest part of the each limb. in general I draw only one from a pair of curves so it's faster to draw. draw the torso using pretty much the same method but use S curves and additionally try to show the skin folds like pinches using intersecting curves
>draw the feet and hands. in general I draw one of the outer edges of the feet and just scribble the hands
>draw wrapping curves to show the orientation of the limbs

>try to draw from imagination
>can only draw giant malformed anime heads
oh no

what book teaches me how to draw a line without shaking

I only started a few days ago but I'm feeling overwhelmed. I read the sticky but there's so many recommendations for books to read or videos to watch that I don't know how to actually structure anything. I can't tell what I should be studying or drawing at any given moment, or if the daily sketches I do even count as practice. Should I just focus on Keys to Drawing for now?

>>4645317
yeah just draw and read keys to drawing
>>4645310
drawabox has some exercises but its mostly just mileage. unless you have a muscular disorder or something, then see a doctor

>>4645317
Yeah anon, relax. Don't freak out about efficiency, spend a good chunk of time studying Dodson and keep doing your sketches as long as you're drawing what you like.

Try to have fun with the studies, and be patient about your progress.

>>4645289

>>4645362
oh shit i should have been drawing sharks all along

>>4645366
dont use 12 lines when 1 will do

>>4645396
I think he's going for that style on purpose, I dig the SOUL there.
Though it doesn't look quite as good as the thumbnail, you should work on making the big picture look as good as the small one - how to achieve that look? Perhaps a thicker brush instead of a pen?

>>4645396
Funny you said that since the whole drawing is a single line.

>>4645404
M-MASKA!

>>4645412

my next drawing!

>>4645411
Everything from the eyebrows to the lower teet should be bigger. Train that measuring bro. Maybe using an + cross in the middle?

>>4645412
The highlight on her zipper makes it look like she has a bulge

>>4645416

>>4645417
>Maybe using an + cross in the middle?
I'm sorry, what do you mean?

>>4645415
How long you been drawing for my man

>>4645423

>>4644555
>implying people who have tens of thousands of followers are any good

>>4645425
since middle school....
im 25 now

but i started draw more "serious" 2 years ago.
I'm okay, but my fundies are hot garbage.

>>4645310
The book of life. Practice drawing lines - short, long, twisty, straight - and you'll get better at drawing lines.

If you're physically incapable, because you have some sort of disease then you might want to incorporate it into your style.

>>4645057
It does. It was like starting from the beginning for me and it took me about a month to get it under control.

Focus 70% on learning how to use your pen and 30% on learning the software you're using - shortcuts, workflows, etc. Watch youtubers use your software and see how they're laying their shit out and why.

You'll get there.

>>4644934
People really should start posting their work when giving critique. But that's never gonna happen.

>>4645462
Not that anon, I started with digital. I take forever to draw basic stuff and I can't tell if it's just because I'm beg or because I suck at using the software. Is there some kind of "top 10 mistakes beginner digital artists make that impede progress" list somewhere? I dont have a curated list of good artists I follow which do speedpaintings and when I use the search function on youtube I just find tutorials from very young beg tier artists

Color and Light by Gurney good to start out with or is there something easier for a beginner to color?

>>4645462
I'm using photoshop, and the sensitivity of the pressure I'm applying to the pen seems a bit off. That's probably my biggest gripe right now, but there's just a general sense of weirdness overall. I'm assuming most of it will go away with further use though.

How many months must I endure /beg/dom

>>4645514
12 to 18

>>4643730
Let him who can draw a kangaroo without reference cast the first stone.

How can I actually start understanding gesture? I've been drawing gesture every day for 2 months straight and I have not improved at all. Literally zero improvement for all that "effort". What am I not understanding? I've watched both Proko and Vilppu's videos about gesture and I don't really get all the vague esoteric explanations about feeling the fucking form.
>pyw
My gesture drawings are literally unrecognizable scribbles.

>>4645586
what in gods name did you make me do

i've been doing some gesture for a bit but this is my first attempt at some half assed figure drawing. i tried to follow lld's tonal simplification thing but i got bored. i'm gonna try to follow their stuff from the beginning now i just wanted to document this

>grinding fundies nonstop for a week
>start getting frustrated/demotivated
>do a simple half trace half copy of a character I like
>immediately feel the passion again
Remember to have fun anons. Fundamentals are very important of course, but don't let yourself forget why you started in the first place.

never gonna get those hands right boys

im literally a human copying machine and i dont know what to do about that

>>4645749
Do you know how to rotate a box in perspective in your imagination? Do that. If you don't know how to do that, time to start drawing boxes.

>>4645703
Wow I wish I had your tolerance for fundie grinding. All I do is draw anime from imagination. Doing even a few hours of gesture study makes me want to gnash my teeth

Critique my artwork lads.

https://imgur.com/gallery/4CcBXAH
I've just finished lesson one from drawback. i'd appreciate some criticism

>>4645846
You're not supposed to use a ruler for the boxes in the rough perspective exercise.

>>4645846
lines could be better in the last two exercices. looks like you were in a rush and half-assed it. keep practicing lines, remember that you can go over multiple times for line weight control (if you only have the one pen).

first time seriously attempting to learn to draw here. bad sketch of an origami boar i folded, will probably work on the absolute fundamentals and drawing from arm instead of wrist. what are some good exercises to develop the muscle memory? i'm considering doing drawabox

Study. I drew this after attempting to study real life figures for a while. Joints are really my Achilles heel when construction shapes from imagination

>>4645671
Stop using straight lines. You will never properly convey gesture with them.

Finished Beginner and Intermediate Head Construction by Steve Huston. Here are some 5 minute heads (+1-2 minutes of cleanup)

Far from perfect, but I feel like I got a lot better after that course.

>>4645999
whats up fellow origami anon learning to draw whose boar is this

>>4646101
Stop giving bad advice

Do you like this light paintover?

Do you like this light paintover?

I'm trying a new painting style here, is it acceptable?

i have done Value drawing after watching a neat art tutorial about it!

>>4646234
and the color

first time drawing car and good artist out there draw cars give me some pointers?

>>4645586

>>4646284
JOOOOOOEEEEEEEEEEEE

Any tips or critiques?

Fuck I wish I was on furlough rn. Coworkers off for three weeks and he's complianing he has nothing to do, meanwhile I've got fundies to draw and right side of the brain to use but |I'm stuck at work

>>4646168
it's from Works Of Katsuta Kyouhei, folded using 15cm square. /po/ has a link in their new books thread. i tried to fold him Yoshino Issei's boar as a buddy but failed miserably

>>4646279
second attempt but with references

>>4645716
Shoulders are wide and makes her look manly. Unless you're trying to go for that I guess.

>>4646292
Study proportions. Her head is too big and her legs are too small.

Here's a quick sketch just to work on gestures and some facial expression. I wanted to make a weirder pose, but it feels boring despite me trying to exaggerate. Made notes on what looked weird to me, to see if anyone agrees or disagrees with them.
>Also the head is a little big, too.

>>4646370
Thanks!

>>4646386
Everything about this drawing is bad. (Not bashing you, just saying.)

>>4645594
Number 1 thing, i know you're sacred to PYW but its a bridge you gotta cross! Also the thing i did was quickposes on google! It helps!

>>4646292
do gestures too!

>>4646218
i like it! Thats better than what i can do!

>>4646352
Dude! Reminds me to do cars! I can't do that shit LOL

>>4645813
I like it, did you use reference?

>>4645716
You'll get them!

>>4646386
you know what you need to work on! Keep at it!
study the female body! don't be afraid to get things wrong!

lmfao the devs of krita are actually all fucking autistic cunts.

>>4646429
isn't that a good thing?

>>4646429
>>>/vent/

Study. It looks off but believe me it’s an improvement.

>>4646419
>I like it, did you use reference?
Yeah, I did. I’m still trying to improve my anatomy and posing and shit like that.

I can only copy. Im a fucking hack fraud

>>4646473
Did you study ham? Draw your lines faster nonetheless.

>>>4646419
Look amazing dude!

>>4646514
No its not!
This is literally the first step to learning!
Referencing! And even if you were tracing it still learning! Don't beat yourself up!

>>4646473
You understand space!
The face is nice

I'm not exactly a beginner, but I'm new to drawing digitally and this is my second piece of digital art. Can I get some feedback and critique?

I kind of dislike how the grey and red mountain with the waterfall turned out, and I wasn't too enthused with how I did the mist effects, too, but I figured I shouldn't obsess over it since "perfect is the enemy of done," as they say. But I'd still like to improve for the next time I do something like this.

>>4646533
Yep. I know the lines are wobbly but linework is hard in procreate.

>>4645716
ughhhh... you need more loomis-sama in your life go back to the grinding mines

>>4646603
don't blame the tools for your shortcomings. That's the mark of ngmi

>>4646603
You can draw straight lines with pretty much anything. Have you seen artists draw perfectly straight lines with brushes yet? Just try a little harder, do exercises or smth.

should I try to learn to use several drawing softwares or focus on one? I used to use SAI a lot, then changed to Sketchbook and now I can't use SAI a all

>>4646605
thank you sensei I will stop dislocating shoulders and finally feel the form some day

How do I get started with pencil rendering?

>>4645671
just gotta feel and emphasize the rhythms. straight lines have nothing to do with it. actually, straight lines are way better than the scribbles that most people do gestures with.

>>4645415
update!

>>4646514
good copy,
it would go against nature not to learn something from doing a copy

>>4646605
>>4646605
shouldnt her left hand/wrist twist in order for the hand to rest on the hip for that post to work?

>>4646818
yeah it will be more natural but god forbids changing the pose of someone's work

>>4646829
forbid me

>>4646832
im gonna coooooooom
LOOMISSSSS

>>4646844
yeah my 'foreshortening' is shite. But I'm gonna keep on trying it.

first time gesture drawing, 2mins each.
should I be doing them like... this?

>>4646101
>>4646686
I wasn't doing gesture, I was trying to do whatever they did here though I didn't really go through with it

>Now, you are going to try to put down some contours and tonal shapes, but for the contours you are only allowed to use a minimal number of straight lines. In other words, you should try to capture the pose using as few lines as possible. The drawing is going to end up looking quite angular and sharp. The aim of the exercise is to improve your ability to see the most important visual information first, before seeing nuance and detail.

>>4646880
Oh, I see. But gesture applies literally every time you're drawing a human body. Just like form, draftsmanship, construction, etc.
Second - if you didn't go through with it why post? Go through with it honestly and come back for crit. You'll do well!

Any good book on how to draw hair ?

I finished the drawing but somehow it feels bad, akward

>>4646956
Dont be afraid to lower the opacity of the source image, pickout out a light hue and drawing over it on a separate layers to break down how to draw it better.

Is practising while drunk a possible thing? Do I gain something from doing it?

>>4646404
I know it's bad, it's why I posted it here. Wanted to know if my self crits were valid, if someone else wanted to highlight a crit or point out something else, etc etc.

>>4646419
>You know what you need to work on...
Thanks for the feedback, appreciate your positivity bby

>>4646971
Sure, a lot of artists would only produce shit after theyve fucked prostitutes and dranked win heavily.

>>4646987
*wine

>>4646734
Irelia looking dummy thick.

Am I getting somewhere?

>>4645435
I'm at 6 months. You give me hope

>>4647071
haha awesome dude!

>>4647078
yea broski, same age as well. i doodled in middle school that's about it

>>4646956
This looks like symbol drawing. Have you worked through/read Keys to Drawing? You might find that and Dorian Iten's accuracy guide useful
https://www.dorian-iten.com/accuracy/

>>4645012
Why would there be shadow on the top of the boobs?

Her right underarm is lit weirdly.

I suggest you try to do some form studies to really learn how light and shadow work.

Pic related is what you should try to paint. Don't use this as a reference but come up with your own shapes and try to light them accurately.

Then post that here so we can give feedback!

>>4646832
I'm going to print this out and hang it above my desk as a reminder that I need to draw more.

windows ink y/n?

>>4646734
I like it a lot anon. Now leave beg.

no new thread?

>>4647150
nah, hes not ready, maybe 200 hours more of gesture and foreshortening

>>4647145
thanks, what do you draw?

>>4647149
N unless your program requires it.

>>4645586
I don't even know if they have hooves

>>4647126

new
>>4647333
>>4647333
>>4647333

Thanks, i'll definetly try using more gestures! I'm still a little uncomfortable drawing hands and stuff,so i thought i would put them behind her hair for this one..

>>4647150
Never!

>>4647155
YEE

>>4643787
Poor hamster

>>4644146
Not bad, but make sure you line it with a solid, no-opacity line. Work in cmyk if it’s going to be printed. Use flat colours and non-blended shadows too, basically look up how commmercial illustrators do branding and go from that.

>>4644301

>>4645586
I think I've seen Proko's kangaroo too much.

i try 1 hour and the breast still feel bad :(.
I am new and i want advice. Ty