/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4636042
Oh thank god. For a second there I thought it was more Nigger pandering with some afro ethnically ambiguous mutt kneeling. Losing my fucking mind.

>>4636042
Whats the price point?

>>4636042
>RIP Wacom.

>>4636048
$764.99 USD, supposedly at a 20% launch discount in partnership with paypal.

Not sure if I should wait for it to go on Amazon for better return policy.

Yeah how will Wacom ever recover??

>>4636042
Yet another "Wacom Killer"

>>4636062

Tell me when there's a screen tablet that costs like 150 bucks.

>>4636042
>Bbb..bbbut, but muh asian genes, how can this happen!??

Is this a Parka? Anyway it may be not him but you know all rook same.
>Be Parka
>Make "artist reviews" video
>can't draw or paint, scribble like 6 years old
kek

>>4636082
thats image compression sucka

>>4636042
>rip wacom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nx8lnj3E6Y
Wacom 21UX still working 10 years after.

Meanwhile huion breaking in 2 months.

Yea good luck with that.

As much as I'm a wacomfag myself I really hope xp pen can give wacom some rivalry because the prices are fucking insane right now.
A fucking stand for the price of a small car.

>>4636042
>No 120 hz
>No touch

Pass

>>4636137
>120hz for anything other than gaming

>>4636107
Yes it's parka lmao. He can't draw for shit but I appreciate that he tests out all the features and tests in a variety of programs and both win/mac, unlike some reviewers who go "oh the tilt? Y-yeah I heard there's tilt but I don't use it or know how to test it haha, it works I guess but idk lmao buy it"

>>4636118
My xp pen 15.6 pro has lasted me almost a year now. How fucking rough are you fuckers on your tablets, jesus

>>4636042
>matte screen protector instead of etched glass
How big of a deal is this in terms of longevity? I know it's a cost cutting measure for cheaper display tablets, but do screen protectors really wear out to the point you have to replace them? That would be a deal breaker for me, because I can't even replace them properly on a phone, let alone a 24" display.

>>4636098
You can, and they're all complete garbage.

>>4636135
>chinese hacks giving quality japanese brand rivalry
Yes I'm sure this is going to happen

>>4636107
His traditional art is pretty based tho

I want to smash every digital “artists” fagged out iPad on the floor

>>4636154
XP-Pen are japanese you idiot.

>>4636107
>>4636149
nope

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXqCuDE8Hv4

>>4636157
Based

>>4636118
I wonder why I hardly see people online show a 2nd gen of the 21ux. I have no clue why wacom quickly stopped manufacturing them.

>>4636169
The aspect ratio scared normies, thats why it was the only one with a 4:3 screen.

>>4636151
Anyone?

>>4636157
pic unrelated?

>>4636145
I take you have never tried drawing at 120hz it is a world of difference. Especially for your eyes

>>4636042
I have the 22E Pro and I love it

Why Wacom Drivers are so shitty? I have this problem of having to restart my PC in order to make my Intuos Pro to work.

>>4636191

>>4636310
Yep me too amongst other issues.

>>4636160
lmao no

>>4636379
https://www.xp-pen.com/page/about
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XP-PEN

idiot.

>>4636390
I guess sharp is a japanese company too
LMAO
you're legit braindead

>>4636310
Open up services (search it in taskbar) and you can stop and restart the Wacom driver like that. You never should need to restart your computer.
>>4636375
Try an older driver. Found out one of my issues was because the modern drivers were shit

>>4636560
It took you two hours to come up with that? You really are a pathetic little idiot.

>>4636224
BASED. It's hard to go back to 60hz

Why does everyone love XP Pen more than Huion on this site?

>>4636636
Because I had to return my huion 3 times to get a working tablet (their QA is mega shit), whereas my first xp-pen worked from the start.

>>4636224
I used to draw with a monitor that was 144hz, 1ms delay, lightboost compatible. Now I draw on a 60hz IPS display. It really doesnt make that much of a difference. Yes I can see the difference between 144hz and 60hz. The 144hz was less eye strain imo. But other than that, no difference

>>4636636
4chan is full of NEETs and third worlders who can't actually afford even medium tier hardware. So they buy cheap chinese knockoff shit and try to convince everyone else it's a good decision.

>>4636694
Except xp pen isn't Chinese, idiot, and you didn't answer that guy's question at all.

Morons like you never learn

>>4636578
>Try an older driver.
I have tried everything possible including a clean install of windows and more. I have come to terms with it and have accepted the nature of the beast.

>>4636676
which model huion did you buy?

>>4636746
HS610. And I was getting busted pen or tablets that couldn't recognize sensitivity, I kept telling support it wasn't my damn drivers but they wouldnt listen until I finally got one that wasn't busted. :/

>>4636757
damn, i guess huion's are just hit or miss. Mine's been working flawlessly for 4 years

Imagine not making even 1000 USD a year i'm coomissions, LMAO, I'm on the third tablet I have bought with only commissions money, and I fucking suck at drawing.

>>4636042
less functionality than ipad pro which I can bring to starbucks and flaunt my lewd anime drawings to public

>>4636782
How do you organize shit on your ipad? The procreate 'stack' system only has one layer of folders. You cant make subfolders

>>4636082
Teoh is ngmi tier but he has good reviews

I bought a Huion New 1060 Plus with 8192 levels of pressure sensitivity, but when I download the latest drivers from the Huion website, it doesn't detect shit. Then I download the same drivers for the 2048 pressure sensitivity version and they work, even though the box clearly says it has 8192. Never trust chinkshit ever.

Fuck Huion.
Fuck Chinks.
and most of all, fuck niggers.

>>4636762
Yeah hopefully this last one actually lasts me a while. Seems like theyve got a lot of dude though since 3/4 were fucked

>>4636878
>A lot of duds*
Autocorrect is retarded

>>4636578
I tried that and it didn't work, newer drivers also didn't work, replacing the cable didn't work, plug in the tablet into another computer didn't work. Wacom drivers are just shit.

>>4636872
Lmao they probably sent you the wrong one

>>4636971
This is why I've been warning you guys about those wacoms but nobody wants to listen. Wacom refuses to fix these problems.

>>4636164
Teoh Yi Chie IS parkablogs
now your ignorant ass knows

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANWe6qJlLh4

>>4637058
This review is why I'm asking if anyone else shares his gripes with matte protectors.

Is etched glass really that much better? Do you have to change out matte protectors over time?

>>4637063
yes you do as they wear out, and time will depend on how heavy handed you are with it

you do not need them though drawing on the glass works fine if you dont care about the feel

>>4637068
Man that's fucking annoying. It's hard enough to stick these things on my phone without dust particles fucking everything up, I don't even want to imaging doing it for a 24" display tablet.

>>4636082
BASED

>>4636042
Say what you want about Teoh but he does have some decent tutorials about perspective, pens, and some useful theory about palettes and the like. His style is weird and inconsistent but there's a charm to it.

>>4637103
He has soul

>>4637070
nigga just wipe it off
get one of those glasses cleaning clothes

>>4636042
Is there a consensus on Xp's Artist series vs. Huion's Kamvas series?
The red dial is nice but Huion seems to be one level higher on the foodchain with their build quality et cetera

>>4637235
Wipe what off? The dust? Do you understand how dust accumulates?
In the seconds the sticky layer is exposed before you apply it, there's already a high chance it picks up dust, and that's just for a small phone cover.

>>4636042
>RIP Wacom.
LMAO

>>4636224
yea no i have tried drawing at 120hz. It makes literally no difference. Apple sheeps will defend anything.

>>4636207
What the fuck did you just say to me, retard?

>>4636042
Isn't advertising against the rules? These videos are ads.

>>4636082
>watch one of his reviews
>he pulls up a drawing of a city
>"I used reference for this"
>video shows him lowering the opacity to trace over the image of the city

>>4637436
based chinks using the minimum effort for the max profit

>>4637402
what rules? Entire Youtube is literally ads with content as bonus.

>>4637436
>tfw you realize that even the greats trace over their shit/use actual photos as backgrounds

>>4637694
Under a time restriction in order to tell their story yeah
This dude tracing a fucking map for fun kek

>>4637436
Welcome to the real world, no rules, only tools !

>>4636042
>reviews are actually good and informative
>dude can't draw shit

How often do matte screen protectors have to be replaced? Can't you just keep the film on forever?

How much of an upgrade is etched glass?

Are Wacom drivers really that bad?

>>4637269
Dust your fucking room you monster

>>4636151
The screen protector scratches easily if you use a lot of pressure. If you draw lightly then it's not a big deal and you can replace them anyway.

>>4637853
I've had a fair share of problems with both wacom and huion. Huion caused me more trouble but wacom certainly wasn't good either.

>>4636636
Huion is too Chinese of a name. With XP Pen you can at least pretend it isn't.

Are we at a point where XP Pen have the best drivers of any display tablet?

>>4637939
Right now they're the best I've dealt with recently (I have a new huion, xp pen, and wacom). There are issues with pen tuning getting fucked in shipping or getting past QA but that's easily fixed. I think the worst thing I've dealt with on xp-pen was windows 10 didn't want to fully install the drivers since a certain update so I just kept trying to install them until they worked.

Isn't it always better to buy a Cintiq Pro because if you decide it wasn't worth the money, you can easily sell it for like 80-90% of what you bought it for?

>>4638235
My 16 pro (not old at all) had non flushed bezels and horrible light bleed from day one, It recently developed an awful case of stuck pixels that cover most of its right half, no way I can resell it for 80% its value.

Fucking alternative brands should bundle high refresh rate screens and had some sort of touch gestures. I will be over that and ditch wacom asap

>>4638350
>cintiq 16 pro
They're trash. You should've taken a hint from the amazon reviews.

https://www.amazon.com/Wacom-DTH1620AK0-Cintiq-Graphic-Tablet/dp/B07CSXR5LC/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=cintiq+16&qid=1591660100&sr=8-3#customerReviews

The only high quality Cintiq Pros on the market are 24" and up.
16" is made with low quality materials.

>>4638350
>>4638366
how the fuck is this kind of poor quality allowed for a $1,500 tablet?

>>4638374
It's Wacom. You pay for the brand name on the tablet and packaging. They're used to the good old days when they were the only good tablet manufacturer and could charge whatever they wanted.

This isn't relevant to the 24 pro but this seems like the best place to ask this. Is the Deco Pro recommended over the Deco 3 now? I remember everyone recommending the 3 but that was a while ago.

>>4636062
Hahahahahaha

>>4636722
Try turning Windows Ink off. The only issue I ever had with my 24HD Cintiq waa related to that bloatware.

>>4638500
or you could pay $2000 for the wacom equivalent...

>>4638366
Anyone use the non-pro 16"? How is it?

>>4638517
Objectively worse than the XP Pen 15.6 while being more expensive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ye8R0LAbkiE

>>4638512
I tried chink tablets that basically fell apart after 5 months. I got 15 year old Wacom tablets that still work flawlessly.
I wouldn't pay more than 200 bucks for chinkware.

>>4638537
XP Pen is japanese.

>>4638447
Yeah, I think deco pro 5 is what everyone likes now?

Can we all agree the Wacom Cintiq Pro 24" is worth it?

>>4636042
>>4636164
seems to have poor pen accuracy

>>4639037
That's a calibration issue if not just a strange angle. Mine's fine my dude.

>>4639050
You already have it? Didn't it just release?

>>4637853
I've had lots of trouble. The issues are so random. Will work for a month straight perfectly then shit itself 20 times a day. As said before there is nothing I haven't tried several time too fix the issues, but Ive got it down to just randomly changing brush size from maximum to minimum as it feels. Unplugging and restarting generally fixes that. Ive also had an internal hardware issue with my intuos pro large and one pro pen two fail. The pen was dropped a few times but the tablet was treated with the upmost care because I'm poor. I felt sick for a week having to buy another after only two years.

>>4636046
Rent free

>>4636872
You just want a excuse to be racist towards black people?

>>4639764
Cry some more, idiot.

>>4636082
its muh style

>>4636042
I got one xp pen for 200 bucks. I like it but its kinda small. Does having a bigger one make it easier to draw?

>>4639050
Bullshit

>>4639160
I pre-ordered so I guess they had enough time to prepare and ship it out.

>>4640189
You're bullshit. Do you have experience with this tablet? No? Then shut your mouth.

>>4639764
>getting offended because someone used le nigger word
>on 4chan
Getting offended on the internet is the fastest way to get shit on, you either meme on the haters, or don't bother typing up a reply.

>>4640365
>implyng
You don't even know me, you fucking retard, lmao

>>4641633
Proof or it didn't happen

>>4639551
The only Wacom I got that reliably works is my old intuos.

>>4641648
Same. My intuos 4 is still kicking, meanwhile all my other ones fucking died or had awful driver problems that made them unusable. I went through the hassle of properly installing/uninstalling every single driver from their release to the present and they still don't work. It's like something inside the tablet shit itself and refuses to recognize that it's hooked up to a computer.

>>4636042
Both of them steal your data. Fuck them all. But at least they're not chinese companies.

>>4637436
which review ?

>>4641669
Don't know nigga, sometimes is just your shit Windows, when I bought my old cintiq 21ux it didnt work on my Main computer, that had pirated copy of winshaft 10, but worked inmediatly, without even need to change my old driver on my computers that had original legal Windows license, so maybe is a problem for people who have pirated OS, don't know, I can't believe not a single dirver served it's purpose, I know wacom drivers are shaite but your experience is hard to assimilate without thinking the problem may be on your machine instead of the tablets.

>>4640169
Yes

>>4639764
Stop being offended on behalf of niggers you stupid faggot.

Professional artists and companies suck Wacom's and Photoshop's dick too much to try other tools.
Wacom will remain on top.

>>4641967
>professionals like to use professional grade equipment
Dude stop it, huion is the choice for people in a budget, students for example, or just hobbyst, it's has his downsides because the built Quality is shit and the specs are subpar, people with real jobs will almost never use the discount options.
>b-but it's just as good
Get a fucking job and you will stop shilling chinese trash

>>4642041
>photoshop
Fuck subscription services desu

>>4636150
Same. Love mine.

>>4642041
A good artist will draw something far better on a cheap $20 tablet than anything you can produce on a cintiq pro 32".

>>4642041
Why would i spend 2 grand on a tablet when I’m a hobbyist or just starting drawing? What happens if I quit drawing? Even if I could resell it, I won’t even get 75% of my money back.

>>4642349
Pretty sure you can resell Cintiq Pros for like 90% of what you bought them for.

>>4642355
Show us where. I don't buy it, but if you can back it up, cool. Most Cintiq Pros I see being resold for that much on eBay are refurbished.

>>4641844
It was actually on both a licenced version of windows 8.1 as well as licensed windows 10 after I updated it. I even did a clean reinstall of 10, thinking it could have registry errors. Some of those tablets use the same driver version as the intuos 4. On every one of those overlapping drivers from the earliest of the intuos pro up until the last release for the intuos 4, I plugged in the 2015 intuos and it didn't work, but when I plugged in the intuos 4 it worked fine. I'm pretty sure that means the drivers were working but the other tablets were busted somehow. One of them, newest intuos pro, has no jiggly USB port or anything, has never been dropped or pried open, however it refuses to recognize USB or wireless dongle connection.

That's why I think something in the new tablets just shit themselves. If the drivers work for the old tablet, why won't the newer ones recognize the connection?

Ive tried contacting Wacom about the issues I've been having with the newest intuos pro which is still under warranty, however they refuse to even adknowledge me and respond.

I'm about ready to just give up on wacom. I've recommended their products to others and bought every tablet sice my first from them for years and if they're just going to act like issues don't exist and ignore customers, then fine. Fuck them.

>>4642538
Have you tried disabling Ink? Because that's usually the culprit. MS's shitty pen interface usually conflicts with Wacom drivers.

>>4642494
Check the used market on Ebay yourself, cuck.

>>4642538
Why don't you file a complaint to your country's consumer rights protection? If it's under warranty, wacom are legally obliged to help, and refusing to do so is in breach of the law.

Thoughts on Corel?

>>4642983
Corel Painter? I use the 2019 version, it's pretty comfy especially if you know traditional mediums and have tilt and rotation on your tablet

>>4642608
Thats the first thing I do when troubleshooting tablets.

>>4642636
I didn't know that. Fuck yeah I'm going to complain. This is retarded.

but for real what's the best alternative for a cintiq?
huon?

>>4639723
That's not ... really how it works.
"Rent free" implies the propaganda hasn't been pounded into his head since day fucking 1.
You'd have nothing but pie on your mind if all you saw were pie ads on TV every time a show took a commercial break.

>>4642325
>le good artist can paint with his own shit meme
Real artist don't use the fucking student grade Windsor and Newton line dude, they can paint with the student grade but why they would do it? They are pros they are held to standards, I hace enough money to buy wacom, then I buy wacom, simple as that, you know why? Because my last wacom tablet was used and old and despite all that it took 5 years of daily besting non stop, while everytime I see the huion name it always comes with a "but the frame is flimsy, the pen is flimsy and not as sensitivy, the colors are....but you just have to get used to it bro" fuck that, for hobbyst and students is okay, which is what I said on my previous post, nobody forbids you to get huion if you don't have a job, or live in a place where the dollar is worth too much, but they are not "just as good bro" that is just cope, will a wacom make my work better? Hell no, but it will make it faster and more comfortable, which for someone who works all day drawing is kind of a big thing you know?

>>4643832
XP Pen, the brand you are in the thread about you retard. Don't buy chinkshit.
>inb4 XP PEN IS CHINKSHIT BRO
XP is japanese, Huion is straight chinkshit.

>>4643883
honestly huion and gaomon's newer products are wacom level as far as pen tech (and drivers that actually function and don't require the bullshit that wacom's do) although they're still behind when it comes to display tablet visuals. wacom's been lazy and treading water for a while.

>>4643902
Lol huion pens are not at Wacom level.

>>4643902
Delusional

>>4643883
Xp pen are basically chink at this point. They even encourage people to buy their products on AliExpress.

>>4644750
Yeah neither is xp pen. I own one of each and I'd say it goes like this

>Huion>Xp-Pen>Wacom

Wacom pens are at the top for sure, they feel the best. huion is definitely at the bottom, it's cheap and the nib likes to wiggle, and a lot of them seem to get damaged in shipping.

>>4637716
i see you too have read The Vilppu drawing manual.

god speed on your endeavors cultured anon

>>4644846
... that's not how you use those

>>4642633
Yeah, that's what i thought, you were talking right out of your ass. It is 4chan, after all.

>>4644924
No argument? No problem idiot

>>4643848
True. I tried to watch a sudoku video run by two brits and they were pandering.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THecXA4-vFs
Tried to watch feast of fiction
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwXRzXE3AQA
kids don't know shit about the world but Nickolodeon did it too. I've always been apolitical but I'm about two ads away from becoming a racist.

>>4639723
*enjoys the near total fealty and financial support of the US media complex
>"rEnT FrEe"

Shut the fuck up you fourth world, racialist communist fuckwit. You're so pathetic you can't even achieve a single goal even with the entire democrat/media complex sucking your dick. Your life is shit because you and everyone like you is, and always will be a failure.

>>4645169
No proof? No problem ididot.

>>4645199
>I've always been apolitical but I'm about two ads away from becoming a racist.
I believe in you dude, you can do it

If you use a Wacom you're NGMI.

>>4636042
So what is the verdict on this display tablet? Does it compare favorably to Wacom's higher end display tablets?

>>4646074
They finally upped the contrast ratio with this one which is nice, but the stylus still isn't as good as Wacom for some reason. I don't know what it is but it just feels.. a little off? It's good for the price though. Now only time will tell how long they last and how well they stay on top of their drivers

>>4644903
>>4644846
lol

>>4646091
>I don't know what it is but it just feels.. a little off?
Can you further elaborate?

Thoughts on Huion?

>>4636107
His urban sketches are full of soul though

>>4647440
No rotation recognition but there's tilt so when you tilt too far, the stylus doesn't know what angle you're at and spazzes out. I guess it's technically capable of ±60° somehow but it doesn't feel like it at all because of either the driver or the hardware having a hard time. When I tilt my stylus to 60° it spazzes out and flips the brush back and forth like it can't tell if I'm tilting to the left or the right.

It's really strange. So to avoid this i have to keep from tilting the whole 60° it's supposedly capable of.

>>4648671
Also you don't get the option of turning on/off tilt so it's a problem whether you want to use it or not

>>4639723
Cringe

>>4648312
he has foot fetish?

>>4642041
I mean I've been living comfortably off my artwork for the past two years without using Wacom or Photoshop.

>>4648210
Pretty good, no point in buying Wacom.

>>4648684
What art software doesn't allow you to turn off tilt in their brush settings? Certainly none of the main ones.

>>4649358
I was talking about the drivers. If your art software let's you shut if off then cool. Just letting you guys know the drivers force you to deal with janky-ass tilt.

>>4636042
RIP Wacom? Lmao not yet my friend

>>4636224
I take it you never drew on anything bigger than 12 inches.
Not working in zoomed in all the time is a world of difference.

>>4636042
1440p not UHD
Low color accuracy in comparison.
Film, not etched glass.

That's just the immediate comparison I saw. The lower price point is great if you're starting out and definitely better than an ipad unless you want to be portable due to the screen estate, but if you're gonna be working 2-3+ hours a day, most of the week, a 2 grand investment into a proper 24 pro wacom is worth it.
Like a proper chair, 100 bucks will let you sit comfortably for an hour or so, but if you're gonna be sitting at the desk for most of the day, 800-1200 bucks for a herman miller or steelcase is nothing even if at first it may not seem that big of a difference.

>>4653502
>1440p not UHD
I think QHD is a decent size for 24", better than their previous line of 24" tablets at HD res (fucking gross), but it would be SO nice and crisp with a 4k. Their next big tablet release is probably going to be 4k, they've said many times that they're working on it.

>Low color accuracy in comparison.
Unfortunately with anything that isn't Wacom you have to calibrate it. I have 15.6 pro and the colors are great after using a color calibrator. The issue is usually contrast ratio with these offbrands. Mine is 800:1 and it's awful. Glad they caught up to Wacom on this model though, fucking finally they're at 1000:1 contrast. Contrast ratio is the worst thing you can fuck around with on a display and everyone's too focused on the color gamut. Speaking of the color thing, Xp-pen's new 24" is 90% Adobe RGB, wacom's 24" pro is 99% Adobe RGB, it's a negligible difference. With the color and contrast being the same it comes down to calibration. These are calibrated like ASS out of the box and I highly doubt parkablogs guy in the vid messed with that.

>Film, not etched glass.
Yeah. Sucks that it's not comfy etched glass, the only way around the shitty screen protector is to peel it off and put on a better one but who seriously is going to do that for a 24" screen?

Anyways it's definitely decent but I'm holding out for that 4k boi.

Why does Aaron Rutten hate Wacom alternatives so much?

>>4653695
>>4636042
This is the non-shill review by someone who actually knows his shit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9xGT6NRwEI

>>4653779
No results to ease the mind. Usually when you see something well drawn, it's from a wacom. Nobody wants to be the guinea pig for a non wacom.

>>4636042

>>4636042
Should note that the guy in your picture is from Chinaland so he may be biased.

But wacom just got caught sending data back to home base so fuck them too.

>>4655077
Fuck I just realized that it's an xp pen. I immediately assumed it was huion because who the fuck thinks of xp pen ever?

I apologize.

>>4636157
>I want to smash every digital “artists” fagged out iPad on the floor

Jealousy.

>>4653786
No comparison to Huoin, so it's useless. All he says is that it's not as good as the cintiq pro 24, which costs more than double.

>>4655205
>Huion
Are you retarded? Huion is just as bad, if not worse than XP-Pen.

He compares to Wacom because they're the benchmark. All of the alternatives are around the same level.

>>4653786
Nice. I like that he is unbiased towards these brands (sometime even biased against them nitpicking every con which is great), though I will say he is a fucking Wacom shill, though I guess technically they're still the best I see him miss a lot of the bad things about them. I just wish this fucker wouldn't shut his comments off, I want to see the comments aaaaaaa.

Mobile Tech Reviews lady is my favorite for tablet reviews because she doesn't give a single fuck about making them look nice if they have problems. I want to see her get her hands on the QHD 24" Pro.

>>4655219
I want to know which is better between the two. No shit a product 3 times the price is going to be better.

>>4655219
Huion is literally the worst. Xp pen is a little better, I've had way less issues with hardware and drivers from them than I did with huion. Wacom is definitely still the best, even though they're not as good as they used to be, which is fucking sad. These other companies need to catch the fuck up.

DTK 2100 these days yeah or nah?
cheapo on our equivalent to craigslist

>>4636046
smoking animu picrew girl doomer, so cool, so 4channel.

>>4641627
>meme
>haters

>>4655253
Cintiq 21UX, right? Idk why you would just post the model number like that and not just ask about the make/model of the tablet.

If it's cheap as fuck and it isn't damaged, I'd say go for it. When you meet the person, test the tablet out and make sure there are no deadzones or dead pixels. You're probably going to have some weird issues if you plan to use 2 monitors along with it, so keep it to just the cintiq and your main monitor.

It's from back when Wacom was making more quality shit so it should last a long time.

>>4655345
Based retard.

>>4655253
I bought one months ago, is heavy, it has a Orange tint to the colors, resolution is dogshit but the size and aspect ratio compensates, I bought mine for 600 bucks, am I happy with it? Yeah, it's my third tablet and a improvement from the horrible horrible 12wx cintiq I was using, but I will upgrade to the final stage of a cintiq 24/32 pro as soon as I get the money, I have bought all my tablets with coomission money so i'll do that with the pro as well.

>>4653695
What do you use to calibrate it? I've a 15.6 pro and I love it except for the color accuracy.

>>4655205
no it only cost a little more, I call bullshit rotten definitely gets kickback from wacom oh we wont compare anything in the price range

>>4655226
guy turned off comments too cause even he knows that was basically a commercial

>>4637398
He asked if the pic was unrelated, dingus.

>>4636135
Just buy a desk easel or make a stand yourself anon. Why pay for some overprice set of tubes to hold your tablet?

>>4657479
Aaron Rutten might be a Wacom shill, but at least he's a genuine professional artist backed up by high quality work, and a corel painter master. He understands pen accuracy on a much deeper level than low level shills like Brad Colbow and parkablogs, and also understands the importance of tilt functionality, which is particularly important for a high level drawing app like corel.

For what it's worth, he also shills hard for Krita. He did a video about it coming to Android, and is strongly adamant it's the best drawing app you can get on any portable device, which is unusual because most people would say iPad has the better software.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOgQoI8FK20

You think the Krita devs are paying him? No.

>>4657474
I have a Pantone Huey Pro but I think they're not available anymore? Too many people got mad about the tiny suction cups fucking up their shit I just never press those down on anything that's not glass. I believe the next best option right now would be the $120 version of the spyder.

Oh, though if you have a photography shop nearby, you can ask to rent one of their colorometers, it's a lot cheaper than buying one and you'll get access to something nice.

>>4657916
Much appreciated.

>>4657916
Renting a colorimeter only makes sense if yours breaks, and you need one short term. Because you don't use one, and leave it for months. You're supposed to calibrate every session, because ambient light changes throughout the day. Back when i did color correction, we calibrated at least 3 times a day, even though the studio had no sunlight and was a controlled environment.

I've never heard of camera shops renting colorimeters, but it's not impossible. It's just impractical for a beginner, and pointless unless you need your monitor calibrated for a day, like for a printing session, and you want to adjust to the printer.

>>4658008
Yeah that's why it's better to own one (my Huey stays plugged in and changes with my room lighting throughout the day) but I'm just giving an option in case they're a poorfag. Calibrating that shit at least once is waaaayy better than leaving it on default settings because that shit is seriously awful. Mine was red as fuck out of the box and made grey colors look pink.

>>4653779
I noticed he disabled comments recently.

>>4641866
Kek. Is that even an insult?

>>4658277
But, wasnt just as good?? Thats what all chink shills always repeat :^)

>>4658409
It's fine once you calibrate it. They're just not calibrated out of the box. Do you shit on monitors that are good but need calibration too? Are you stupid?

>>4636118
This. I still have a Bamboo from fucking 2009 that works like a charm. I've used it constantly since that point and just haven't made the leap to a screen tablet because I'm comfortable for now but seriously, how anyone can even think any other company can stand up to that is fucking laughable.

>>4658525
I have a brand new intuos and it broke on me after 6 months. My old intuos is still running. What the literal fuck Wacom? Stopping to the level of chink shit.

Keep your tablet that still works and hope it serves you for a long time. Don't fucking replace it it's a waste of money

>>4657911
wait you think this guy is good? holy shit man you need better observation skills, plus shilling software is different from hardware, he use to shill painter so hard!! you can be great at software and suck balls as an artist. He obviously uses hardware and software as crutch would love to see some of his trad work, guaranteed beg level.. oh wait wacom is better and it's only 3 times the price
yours truly Aaron!

>>4658880
t. brainlet with no argument
piw

>>4659411
what argument? comparing a porsche to honda civic and coming to the conclusion the porsche is better! I wonder why? you're dumb and should feel bad if you cannot conceive the concept of what these clones are trying to do

>>4659468
Once again, mindless rambling, no work. You're a worthless idiot and no doubt a garbage artist.

>>4659470
ok Aaron, why don't you post some of your trad work I'd love to see it I'm sure it will be amazing!

>>4658880
Kek

>>4636082
his art is shit but i like his informative reviews

>>4660280
Based retard.

>seething /pol/ NGMIs ITT
Kek.

>>4661627
t. idiot

Thoughts on Artisul?

I still have a wacom from 2008, what do you need a bigger 24' tablet for? 2048 pressure levels? Learn to draw, dammit.

>I still have a wacom from 2008, what do you need a bigger 24' tablet for? 2048 pressure levels? Learn to draw, dammit.

>>4662585
Lmao how about an acceptable screen resolution you dumbfuck? Do you like seeing the pixels and working in low res? Ahahaha

>>4638723
he's just a normal /ic/ racist, he doesnt care

>>4664894
Cry more idiot

>>4636042
I have an xp-pen 16 pro and love it so far. Unless there are other features, I would probably get another 16" if my 16 breaks or something.
>>4636098
you might be able to get something decent used.

>>4666811
t. brainlet

>>4668062
I have an iq of 148 and a stem degree, and six figure job and I’m sure my art is still better than yours even as a hobbyist.

>>4666811
>Unless there are other features
Fuck yeah there are, for one you get the motherfuckin DIAL

>>4645223
>racialist communist
this isn't a thing lmao

>>4668072
t. idiot

>>4636042
nah faggot, Wacom master race. You just have no money to buy one, lol

>>4668313

>>4669712
I had a cintiq 24 pro and the screen erupted with dead pixels after a month. Returned that shit for a refund ASAP. Wacom is not the master race anymore.

>>4636118
Ironically enough, my Cintiq 21UX of 10+years just bit the bullet and the screen no longer registers the pen, side buttons still work. I also have it on a Ergotron arm.

I was thinking of getting another large drawing display with multitouch, but only Wacom has that at the moment, and also expensive AF. So I did preorder the XP Pen 24, I'm not sure when they'll send it out.

>>4670091
How do you know is not the pen the defective one?

>>4642355
>90%
Another artist wanted to buy my 21UX a few years ago. I offered $900 with the Ergotron arm and he didn't bite.

>>4643877
>Real artist don't use the fucking student grade Windsor and Newton line dude
Here's a real artist rendering with a ballpoint pen. Your argument is invalid.

>>4670115
>>4670115
>How do you know is not the pen the defective one?
Because I contacted Wacom, did some troubleshooting with me, had me buy a new pen and it also didn't work. The status light at the top doesn't light up when the pen is pressed or near the screen. So that pretty much leaves the screen or cable at fault, to which the person at Wacom kinda just shrugged.

>>4670178
Some capacitor probably shat itself, that happened to a friends old cintiq, there was a pop and a lot of smoke, maybe something similar happened to your, why don't you tinker with it? But 10 years is a more than enough lifespan, my cintiq 21 UX is still working fine but I feel it can fue at any momment

>>4636042
Anyone with XP-Pen help me with calibrating mine? It’s a bit too saturated when compared to other devices.

>>4670302
Sure. Use this:

http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/

It also helps if you bring the test images up on both your regular monitor and your tablet. Make sure your tablet is set to it's native resolution and make sure scaling is at 100%.

>>4670302
Forgot to add, you shouldn't go over 50% brightness, at least while calibrating.

>>4670340
>>4670348
Thanks!

>>4670248
hm. thanks! maybe i'll check it out when I have some time.

>>4670348
>Forgot to add, you shouldn't go over 50% brightness, at least while calibrating.

No. Learn what gamma is, and how to properly calibrate a monitor. If you don't have a colorimeter, use guides like the ones on this page:

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/5-online-tools-calibrate-monitor/

Pay close attention to #4, and why what you're saying is completely wrong.

>>4670742
The reason I said that is because xp-pen's monitors distort all of your colors into warm tones when you hike your device's backlight brightness above 50% but yeah sure if you want to pump that shit up and calibrate it at a level you're not going to use due to distortions, go for it, idiot.

>>46707
>The reason I said that is because xp-pen's monitors distort all of your colors into warm tones when you hike your device's backlight brightness above 50%

Which is why you adjust your gamma. See, I knew already that you have no idea how calibration works, this just cemented it. And, if you just admitted that, we could talk more about how and why to do it, but if you're gonna pull a "Yeah, I know that, stupid" attitude when you're laughably that wrong, what other legit response is there, but "go fuck yourself"?

>but yeah sure if you want to pump that shit up and calibrate it at a level you're not going to use due to distortions, go for it, idiot.

I would ask if this was supposed to make sense, but it just showcases your ignorance better than anything I could post.

But you have a great day, drawing on your dim monitor.

>>4636224
I own the 12 inch ipad pro and it does like literally nothing for me except make the battery decrease slightly faster in art programs. I'm sure side by side I'd notice but without it, it's super negligible.

>>4670787
Adjusting the gamma doesn't make it go away you idiot there's something wrong with their screens. No matter what you do you can't fix it because they used cheap displays that get fucky at high brightness.

The screen is extremely bright anyways, at 50% you can see just fine even in full sunlight or under super bright lights.

>>4670897
Doubling down on ignorance, I see.

>>4670911
Shut up chink

>>4670911
I know what gamma is you retard and I'm telling you the screens are fucked.

Brad Colbow review

https://hooktube.com/watch?v=HJud2Y5XNxQ

>ctrl+f parallax
>0 results
you are in a shill thread

>>4672692
The parallax is the same as a bonded screen. Wow now you have your answer woo

>>4636042
Is the Wacom One any good? I impulsed ordered it a few days ago.

I watched the review

It still has parallax, it can't draw a curved circle (you get an octogon), and it has really bad lag.

lol

I’m the guy with the color calibration issue and just wanna say thanks again guys it’s way more accurate!

>>4672725
>it can't draw a curved circle (you get an octogon), and it has really bad lag.
Turn off windows ink you idiot

>>4672733
that isn't a windows ink issue, retard. the tapering is also subpar. they're moving backwards here

>>4672737
I have this tablet and working in CSP isn't like that for me. Lines, curves and tapers are smooth. He's doing something wrong or he's got a dud.

>>4672744
it's just how xppen is, i have the 13 and it does the same shit. i regret listening to shill threads like these, i also bought a wacom and ipad pro for comparison and they shit on xp pen, however, i will give it to xp pen that they are clearly at the top of the chink heap easily.

just don't give people false hope it's fucked up

>>4672725
It's probably his fault

>>4672747
Adjust the tuning screw in your stylus dude

Got a notification from DHL. I think my 24 Pro should be coming in sometime Monday. We'll see about any issues.

As an XP-pen 15.6 user I can tell you its real issues:

- Tilting the pen makes the cursor go off-center, so it's hard to draw horizontal lines
- The included UBS-C splitter cable is ass easily loses video signal if you nudge it.
- The screen protector scratches easily and leaves rainbow streaks.
- The express buttons are cheap. You have to press firmly for them to register.

Overall it's still quite good and enjoyable. Of course I would like to solve those issues, but I don't think they justify spending 3000$ to fix.

>>4672854
I have one too and I don't have any of those problems. What the fuck is wrong with your tablet?

>>4672854
I feel ya if you mean the 15.6 pro. I was wondering if other screen protectors would get scratches as often as the pre applied one for this. Overall it’s pretty solid considering that I got it for 300 flat new. I wonder what I’ll upgrade to In two years or so since it seems new Wacom products are getting some hate

>>4672867
I changed mine out and it's been good for a year. They just slapped low quality screen protectors on them. Of you use something that's meant for a touch screen / tablet screen then you don't get the scratching problem.

>>4672725
>mac os
>medibang
>retarded balding chink macfag using it

Get an ipad, the computers aren't for niggers like you.

>>4672896
>THE computers
my PC setup is worth more money than you will ever see, you subhuman ESL shill piece of shit. Post your beg as fuck anime scribbles or shut the fuck up about matters beyond your price range you bucktoothed walking gape slave

>>4672907
Not him but damn he really shat in your cereal huh kek

>>4672907
I'm gonna guess...15. And your parents paid for your computer. Only a pampered upper middle class suburban kid could be this angry at someone being poor.

>>4636042
all that technology for such shit technique

>>4636560
You got shat on lmao

>>4672854
>>4672880
Another thing to change to stop scratching the screen protector would be using a softer nib for the pen. The Surface Pro pen uses a kind of rubbery nib that gives a bit of friction on glass, probably even moreso on a matte protector. Are there any third party nibs out there for the Wacom or XP Pens?

Unfortunately, I don't think changing the screen protector on a 24" display will be easy (dust free) if they do have replacements at all.

>>4636042
Ive been through a wacom bamboo, huion h610, xp pen artist 15.6, xp pen deco pro, huion h610 pro V2, wacom intuous M, xp pen 15.6 Pro

After all of them, the ones I felt most comfortable with and had the fewest issues with hands down have been both Huions. Theyve all been the cheapest as well, just one commission paying the tablet back threefold.

The XP pens were alright, but had some problems here and there. I returned the display tablets due to colour inaccuracies on the displays, and the Wacom intuous M just blew donkey dick. Horrible rough nib burning surface, thin pen, couldnt get smooth diagonal cursor responses.

>>4673924
You are retarded, or a shill

>>4673963
>Y-YOURE STUPID

The fucking state of this place.

>>4673969
>the tablet I liked the most are the ones that for some reason always gets the worst reviews
>le ebin wojak meme
>le ebin tranny meme
Sure, your oppinion is as valid as the oppinion of a 3 yo, fuck off to shill uour cheap plastic somewhere retardo

>>4673976
>worst reviews

How you can you be wrong so confidently? Jesus. Its like some sort of advanced cope.

Whatever you say though. Use whatever makes you feel good. Ill continue to make thousands with my 100 dollar tablet.

>>4673924
>p-prease buy huion! the build quarity is great! i have no coror caribration issue!

>>4673924
Free Hong Kong.
Independent Taiwan.
Free the Uyghurs.
Human Rights.
Free Tibet.

>>4674029
>>4674033
Fuck, lmao. I must have really struck a nerve. I wasnt aware there was so much politics infused into this topic.

Regardless of how much you bitch and moan, I have really liked my huion tablets. Deal with it, or dont and continue to cope and cry, I dont give a fuck. Im just giving a perspective. If wacom werent three times the price and had smooth surface textures Id be perfectly willing to use them, since the majority of my favourite artists use wacoms. But they all use the older models which were apparently far more smooth. And yeah I know you can buy a smooth cover for the new intuous pro, but its literally a chunk of plastic that you have to pay 50 pounds for, and quite frankly, fuck that.

>>4674029
In addition, I havent ever tried a huion display tablet. Xp pen ones always seemed to have better reviews. But even with the 15.6 pro, which btw was pretty good, there was a few really annoying colour mismatches. It seems that with display tablets you have to go all out or not at all, unless you just want to sketch or just dont care about moving pictures between displays just to colour check.

>>4673992
This kind of shitpost got old a long ago, faggot.
>make thousands
>/Ic/ artcel
Sure bro, a thousand rupees maybe, pajeet.

>>4674056
Retard nibs cost like 10 bucks the 12 pieces, are you shitting me? On the worst case scenario you may go through all of them in a month, which is impossible, I owned the old pen and manga and that shit is real sandpaper, and I went through 5 nibs in like 5 months, drawings daily a few hours, are your fucking kidding me you can pay 10 bucks a month in the worst of the cases? You fucking neet frogposter piece of shit?

>>4674110
Actually theres quite a few successful artists on here. They just dont crab post and remain utterly bitter about not actually drawing. I make 200-230 dollars per picture and nigh constantly have a waiting list. I could probably raise my prices even higher but at that point Id feel too guilty, since im not as good as I could be to justify that price to myself.

>>4672907
I actually doubt that since I grabbed the best hardware on market, a professional monitor, a large dest, a comfy chair plus some very decent quality speakers for my personal hobby station. I like scribbling my beg tier anime waifus real comfy, that's my hobby and I can afford it.

>>4674118
Yeah, all that crap, OR

fucking, I dont mean to brainfuck you but

OR

You just get a smooth surfaced tablet. Woah, holy fuck. Not only a smooth surfaced tablet, but one thats far cheaper from the get go.

God dammit its like that eyebrowless boomer freak that does tablet reviews. The one who does videos about circumventing wacom issues with the message of "yeah its an issue to work around BUT ITS WACOM" as if its still the 90s with no other alternatives.

Listen, brand value just isnt going to cut it for me. There has to be real, tangible benefits to justify the increased price. The patents are gone. The build quality guarantee is gone. Good customer help is gone. Brand reliability isnt a factor anymore since competitors are growing fast and arent showing signs of just disappearing any time soon.

>>4674120
>trust me bro, I make thousands I swear, I can't post any proof but just believe me
And I'm Bill Gates, but can't post any proof of that ;^)

>>4674110
>>4673976
>>4673963
>You're dumb >:((
>duuhhh REDDIT! HES A REDDITOR!!
>ummm what say now... YOURE A MINORITY HAHAH XD

Not even him but lol. We get it dude you browse fourchins everyday and hate brown people and reddit wow that's so dank and edgy
>I-I'VE NEVER DRAWN IN MY LIFE BUT IF A TABLET IS MADE BY CHINKS THEN IT'S BAD CHINK BAD KEKEKEK LOL

>>4674154
t.

>>4674152
What an absolute naive clown. Jesus, if you think thats a high price for a commission then you're either a child or the most sheltered beg on this board. In either case, fuck off. Practice some actual drawing.

>>4674118
>Retard nibs cost like 10 bucks the 12 pieces, are you shitting me?
Dude that's some real fucking razor and blades model going on there. Have you seen a fucking nib? It's a tiny little cut of plastic wire sold to you for one dollar.
1$ is
3 9mm or 5.56 cartridges
9 minutes of minimal wage worker's labor
a minute of a sexy escort sucking your dick

Don't you feel you're getting fucked over mate? You get pic related for the price of 3 fucking cartridges or two grams of fucking silver.

You literally pay the price of precious metals for a plastic consumable.

>>4674170
>d-draw, hehe I son
Liars are always low IQ

>>4673924
>>4674056
He he I can see Anon's post has sparked a controversy.

The thing is that Wacom are actually using some extra soft teflon plastics for their nibs and some sort of abrasive coating on the surface of the tablet that eventually wears out and peels too. It's basically like butter on sandpaper and it's absolutely MALICIOUS and intentional.

It's not about smooth or rough surface, it's about SOFT or HARD surface because what's going on is abrasion.

Huion and Xp-Pen all use a rough textured surface that grips the pen nibs nicely. The huge difference is that their nibs aren't made out of soft butter plastic and the surface isn't a coating, but just rough plastic so the pen nibs wear out much slower and the survace basically doesn't wear out at all. Both of my Xp-Pen tablets look the same as the day I bought them.

Meanwhile Wacom apply some kind of sandpaper coating to the plastic because they want you to buy more nibs and more tablets too.

>wacom is shit
>huion is shit
>xp pen is shit
>ipad is shit
So wtf is good

>>4674237
Actually everything works, don't get too focused on the tools.

Even if you make the worst possible choice and go with Wacom NON-PRO it's all about your skills and not about the tool you're using.

>>4674237
Many folks get caught up in these tablet arguments because whilest being related to drawing, its unrelated to actual drawing ability and thus an outlet in which they feel they can confidently contribute. At the end of the day, if youre good at drawing, it doesnt matter what you use, itll turn out good. A modest cheap xp pen or huion will work just as well as the top of the line wacom tablets. It just comes down to preference, as there are differences in surface/pen qualities like this anon >>4674228
pointed out.

>>4636118
>Meanwhile huion breaking in 2 months.
Is this true, though?

>>4674291
I've had my WH1409 for like 3 years and it still works like the day I got it. Buttons are a bit fucky but the main pen and tablet area work perfectly

>>4674291
I started drawing on a Huion 610p with a loose mini usb, it was loose straight out of the box and would disconnect if you move it. The pen itself had a battery and it degraded into nothing over a year, the drivers had some paper cut issues, such as having to launch manually, for some reason the auto run doesn't work.

That was years ago though and at that time having a tablet for 60$ was a good deal, it wasn't perfect but it worked, and it paid off it's cost in comissions. I started from scratch thinking "I'll get an Intuos pro when I earn money drawing" I earned money and said fuck intuos lol, that's 350$ i could fuck a whore instead.

Today Huion don't have batteries in their pens and the drivers are better but they still use min-usb and anon in next thread has one loose.

For that sole reason I tell people to get Xp-Pen, they have USB-C. I myself rock a Deco Pro and i fucking love it, i'm not looking for upgrades, i'm set and satisfied.
Deco 01 served me for years too and I literally never had a single issue with it, I got Deco Pro just for the cool dial.

>>4674318
Must be very sad being a poorfag and think 350 USD is a lot of money, do you even have a job? How do you sustain yourself? Let me guess, you are a neet/min wage automaton.
I bought my cintiq pro 32 without even breaking a sweat, paid it upfront with my money, and it's the best tablet I have used and I have used a lot, the poorfag cope is getting sad.

>>4674370
I'm just smart with money. A whore takes 100$ hour, Intuos Pro might be good, but is it 4 hours of having sex good? Is it 4 grams of weed good? I FUCKING DOUBT IT.

3200 for a tablet? My 32" 4k AdobeRGB monitor costed 500$, where do the other 27 hours of sex go?

>>4674388
>he has to pay women to have sex with him
Ahahahahahaa

>>4674370
Can't break a sweet if daddy keeps a roof over your head.

Well, my 24 Pro came early...