/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Have you niggers learned a single thing coming from these threads? It honestly looks like as if these threads actually managed to make people worse.

>>4624044
whats th op pic from?

>>4624058
I've learned fucking nothing

end sketch tranny

>>4624058
The resources have been useful

I think it's time to give up on /asg/, bros. Any suggestions for a new place to learn to draw anime illustrations with like minded people? Discord and Deviantart are out.

>>4624044
Found these anime color guides. Apparently these are the guides they use to define character palettes.
This one is Studio Ghibli's guide.

>>4624058
It was nice when it was still starting. Now the good ones left coz of some sketch dunning k shitting the whole thread

>>4624125
Makoto Shinkai's palette.

>>4624130
Hideaki Anno's palette.

>>4624136
And lastly, Mamoru Hosoda's palette.

>>4624104
the problem are the posters and the mods, newfags keep replaying to baits and giving attention to the shitposters and making this place worthless and mods that don't ban the obvious shitposters, so not in /ic/.

>>4624058
The books and resources aren’t the problem, it’s the retards in the threads that are the problem.

How the fuck do you guys do "memory drawing"? The pdf says that the majority of our time should be replicating a piece of ref from memory, but it takes so long just to copy and mimic the ref in the first place I don't see how the majority of our time can be drawing from memory. What is your /asg/ practice routine?

>>4624142
So where? You'd think there should be at least one decent anime art forum, right?

>>4624125
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>>4624141
how do i use these. can anybody translate?

>>4624044
Are these threads worth my glorious presence?

>>4624058
I grow a thicker skin,
understand that not all feedbacks are good feedbacks,
most of the people here are /beg/ tier that have no idea what they are talking about,
ignore those who spew loomis memes,
and absolutely nothing about drawings from here.

>>4624070
It's always in the filename.

>>4624104
There are no other places because there aren't enough like-minded people looking for communities. They already have their friend groups and tend to stay insulated. Forums are dead because of social media and how easy it is to be in group chats like skype and eventually discord, not to mention cost of hosting. Anime tends to attract autism so you need somewhat strict moderation, same with tending to attract /beg/s looking for shortcuts. I don't know any good English speaking online art communities, let alone anime. This is sadly the best place I've seen, if you can filter out all the obvious trolls and people who ask for feedback but ignore it.

Would it be good practice to just pretend I'm an in-betweener on an anime I like and draw in-between frames?

>>4624168
i feel like any drawings are good practice.
Unless you keep repeatedly drawing the same one again and again.

>>4624168
Yes, that's excellent for mileage and learning style. However make sure to draw your own original work. Copying only gets you so far and doesn't stretch the muscles of your imagination.

How do I draw hair?

>>4624216
post work

>>4624217

>>4624229
/beg/ here but my advice is to find artists you like and study how they draw hair. Combine the aspects you like from different artists, and there you have it.

>>4624239
Can I get some guides about anime hair construction?

>>4624229
>2019
so no progress since then?

try deconstructing the hair in here, if you think is too hard then you need to grind forms doing dissections to any kind of form like the ones in drawabox, then it should be easy

>>4624245
Shut up bitch.

>>4624125
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>>4624141
Are these legit? Will I get better at anime color if I follow these?

>>4624245
Sure, I dont draw anime really often, and I just came for >>4624244, I want to draw hair from imagination

>>4624244
There's no official guides for all anime hair, it differs based on the artist's style. There are guides, but but they'll be in the style of the artist who made it which is not necessarily what you might be looking for. Like I said before, studying art is always a good idea. I don't know why it's not mentioned more in these threads.

Best way to learn how to draw eyes?

>>4624285
Not even the guy who posting above, but literally what he said, go find a tutorial or some anime eyes you like and try to copy them, keep doing it, learn why or how good anime eyes you like, look the way they do

>>4624285
I made this just for you anon, use it well. If anyone wants to repost it, feel free to but make sure to credit me!

>>4624285
copy eyes you like, same as how to draw anything else. start with learning how to draw real eyes and what all the parts of the eye, tear duct, and skin folds/lids are. anime is based on the real eye. there are a million different ways and styles, then it changes based on the angle. if you don't understand real eyes, you won't be able to draw anime eyes convincingly. look at the bargue plates for eyes, they're very good and show the basic forms.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3K_bHxtiSE&t=58
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8nAraIBXRM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ugoyvu1v5E

>>4624291
You're a retard if you do circle then curve, it's curve then circle

>>4624285
Study settei or just pause an anime and copy the eye shapes.

>>4624295
Fixed, your feedback is very much appreciated.

Shibuya Rin

>>4624295
I draw the eye around the white part myself.

>>4624310
That's how its done on paper, since you cant erase ink. Its how I do it too but theres some leeway in digital.

>>4624148
From what I'm reading from keys to drawing he says to stare at something, form its lines in your mind, then 'hold' it in your mind and try to draw it. I can't do it though.

>>4624327
What's the point of doing that?

>>4624333
Adding more to your mental library to reproduce from imagination

when do we get to draw-

principal Asagi

>>4624168
only if you enjoy it. illustrations tend to be more detailed and higher quality, i think you will learn more by copying manga rather than in-between frames

>>4624291
gmi

>>4624058
>Have you niggers learned a single thing coming from these threads?
that amawus are most dunning-kruger'd faggots in existence

>>4624165
Incredibly based, that's mostly fact here.

Is Hitokaku good or should I stick to loomis

god the economy is such trash now, i'll never find a job. strongly considering giving up and just doing studies for 14 hours per day

>>4624522
not bad, but the angle of the ass and shoulder doesn't seem possible simultaneously, and the right elbow indicates that the right upper arm is considerably longer than the left. did you erase some construction?

>>4624618
What the fuck, asshole. Where's my critique?

>>4624618
Thanks, I appreciate the feedback
> did you erase some construction?
I study fundies in traditional media so unfortunately I have the habit of doing everything in a single layer, so I erased a lot of the construction
the only exception is the color one because I prefer to do it in grayscale, so I use more layers

>>4624141
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>>4624125
Does this entire board speak fluent Japanese?
If not why the fuck are you posting these you faggot

wew lad

>>4624058
actually, i learned a lot here and some anons gave me great advice. all this was before grey sketch fagg appeared

>>4624142
this

>>4624125
Found eng translations for these. posting now.

>>4624130

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>>4624715
curious to see if asg anons might learn something from these. but then again I question if asg even draw.

>>4624720
They can’t draw. All they can do is seethe and copy their failed excuse of a waifu.

>>4624725
Kek

https://www.amazon.com/Academia-Settei-Sheets-Model-%E3%80%90120pages%E3%80%91/dp/B07GQ7L2G1 anyone have a digital copy of this

>>4624166
>It's always in the filename.
no it fucking isnt you unhelpful cunt

>>4624757

>>4624757
Try reverse searching it first before complaining, faggot.

>>4624757
it is when i make the threads and i constantly get asked but you helpless little cunts can never look

Drawin'

>>4624774
>>>/ALT/
Wrong thread

I DREW SOME ANIME BULLSHIT ON MY MINIFRIDGE WITH GARBAGE ASS SHITTY MARKERS THAT KEPT RUNNING OUT OF INK
RATE OUT OF TEN POR FAVOR :))))

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>>4624759
unless its puri the premature priest its not coming up. it looks nothing like the premature priest and the only result is the 1pm character

>>4624770

name it bitch. name it if youre so superior

>>4624783

https://twitter.com/55301puri/status/1265322015893811201

The name of the artist includes the numbers. It's not from an anime like you were thinking. Let's not distract the thread with this pointless bickering. OP could have been more straightforward desu

>>4624787
Fuck you for not being straightforwardly

>>4624161
No

>>4624590
Try a bit of both and form your own opinion about it

>>4624775
Even this??

>>4624810
yes fuck off autist

>>4624818
Oh it's this fucking asshole, le autist man what's your beefaroni im just trying to draw shibuya rin and you fucking assholes here keep trying to throw me off

>>4624720
>use these colours because big producers use them
This is a joke. These are colours.

fucking assholes im trying to draw taimanin Asagi and you're telling me to go to alt I wouldn't be surprised if one of you guys hail from ota-ch by telling me the exact same thing that my drawing powers look too "western" to draw animu

and imma post my drawings to combat that sketch faggot

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>>4624715
What is that "golden line"? Could you post an graphic example, please?
I drew what I think it was.

>>4624522
Noses are placed badly.

>>4624843
I kinda like you're drawings though, even if I don't understand why you're drawing them.

>>4624739
>>4624739
>>4624739
also interested

>>4624872
This guy pisses me off, ya fucking piss me off. Imma keep drawing Taimanin Asagi no matter what I even got the character sheet right here asshole

>>4624881
hey. nobody cares what you do.

What is even going on in this thread?

>>4624895
Then why did you say to go to /alt/ then bastard

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>>4624715
Thanks anon

>>4624693
Then I guess you have to go to /alt/ too

>>4624901
2 autists

>>4624710
cheers

>>4624044
I was told to draw form not lines, but isn't form just lines?

>>4625028
Yes and no. The lines display the form, and you can display the form in many other ways like rendering. See pic related. I'm showing the form wrapping around the body with lines.

>both /beg/ and /asg/ can't escape this insufferable faggot
This place is dead

>>4620317
Late to the party. But doing the refs brings back the a little piece of /asg/ before all the overly blatant shitposting

>>4625113
Just like cancer it never dies unless you remove the roots itself.

>>4625220
Cute! Nice work anon kun

>>4625259

>>4624855
"Golden Line" refers to the zone where the artist pulls most of his local colors/midtones.
For example, look at Mamoru Hosoda's colors. In Boy and the Beast most of the colors are desaturated (except the accents) because they are pulled from the "Golden Line", the whites are picked from the "Light Color Zone", the darks from the "Hosoda Black Zone" and the sky (and accents) from the "Hosoda Blue Zone".

The Golden Line is just another term for the base color zone.

>>4625418
I think the term desaturated actually refers to Kagenashi/影なし literally means "no shadow". Hosoda has been doing Kagenashi style for over two decades, from his digimon OVA/movie, to this very day. He said in an interview animator Takaaki Yamashita was the one who gave him the idea of Kagenashi style. Nowadays Kagenashi is very popular among younger animators from webgen era, like Shingo Yamashita. Yamashita pushed the Kagenashi style even further, for example in Shinsekai Yori Ending (and some Naruto Shippuden Ending).

Do you guys think it's silly trying to learn to draw bodies from imagination if I don't know anatomy well yet? I'm starting to get tired of constantly looking and relying on references to create a new image

Not anime girl for coomer's, but
but, tried to recreate the explosion like in manga.

>>4624438
I considered redrawing Jojo's manga, but I thought it would be too complicated for me to copy. What with Araki's cross hatching and general detail. Do you think it would be a good idea to try anyway?

>>4625564
Hopefully you don't want to draw sameface like Araki too

First time drawing body.
Didn't used any reference.
Just pure imagination with constructions in the back.
Hope i didn't fucked up too much.

>>4625620
already better than greysketch tranny

>>4625526
Yes, I know about "Kagenashi", but I was talking about the base colors, not the shadows.

>>4624044
HOLY SHIT STOP MAKING THESE SHIT THREADS
STOP PERPETUATING FALSEHOODS
COPYING ANIME WONT GET YOU GOOD
HOLY SHIT YOURE NOT JAPANESE

YOU THINK ALL THOSE TOP TIER ARTISTS LEARNED BY COPYING "ANIME" THEY LEARNED HOW TO.MAKE ART NOT HOW TO MAKE ""ANIME"" YOU GUYS ARE SO RETARDED

why am I even mad lol less competition for me in the long run


KEEP.COPYING ANIME!!

>>4625728
>/asg/
>competition
Like you stood a chance in the first place, lmao. Feeling threatened by /asg/, well /ic/ in general means you’re just another /beg/tard.

>>4625741
what is a joke?

if I felt threatened by asg then I'd be scrambling to draw coomer anime art.

instead I am mad at people spreading misinformation

and I 100% stand a chance bc the lot of em will quit drawing bc they arent able to make the pretty animu they love so much

>>4625728
But the guide says to learn how to draw proper humans and anatomy and 'art' before starting to learn the anime style.

>>4625620
You're fooling no one.

>>4625728
>>4625779
Based all caps poster knows his shit.

>>4624044

>>4625645
Kek

>>4625786
As if anyone here actually follows that lmao

>>4625728
Remember your on Ic, your no better than the rest of us

>>4625728
Post your work, fag.

>>4625852
Agreed.

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>>4624715
thank you anon <3

>>4625839
like I ever said that I was, but it is undeniable that ic has a while range of skill and experience
that range may cap at a certain point because this place is no longer needed when you reach that sweet upper percentile
but theres still variety, posters on /dad/ tend to be better than /asg/ and that's a fact, faggot

>>4625852
>>4625857

Nice try. The good ol, "damn I'm being called out or some shit let me just tell them the post their work that will shut em up....and if they do....I'll just shit on them!!! either way I'll feel good!"

Yeah, fuck off.

>>4625986
>posters on /dad/ tend to be [HEADCANON]
See?

>>4625995
it's a simple observation literally look for yourself and compare
dont be a retard

Yes, start drama between threads, that will help you draw better!

>>4625995
not him, but the average poster on dad or any other gen aside from beg are better than the average here, yet theres some people here that are better than others in those gens, not counting beg, but you dont use the lower percent to represent the majority.

Jesus Fucking Christ where did all this drama come from?
I just wanted to be not shit at drawing anime.

>>4626039
fuck off newfag

just draw

>>4626039
Well the other part of the board they're fighting about political things. It's an awful mix of normalfags ans trolls here.

I thought it was already established this was a containment thread for beg weebs to self eliminate themselves from the gene pool, from shit advice.

>>4626066
Ya fucking piss me off

>>4626066
It is

>>4626066
draw ur fucking hands and feet

>>4625995
Cope

>>4626066
Your posts are as bad as your drawings

Spooky succubus give' em the succ

>>4625418
Thanks you for the explanation.

what a garbage thread, it was better when it was dead or beg niggers were ignored or told to fuck off.

>>4627141
Let a nigga Brad Pitt

>>4626039
You're better off drawing on your own. This place is cancer

>>4625986
I post both on dad asg and alt. They're not exclusively contained in one thread

>>4625555
Interesting stuff anon. Is this based on ref or you did this frkm imagination?

>>4625824
>>4625220
Nicesu

>>4625564
yes

>>4626039
then literally just draw anime

>>4627241

>>4624613
Does Ohishi Masaru have any more doujins? His stuff is untagged on sad panda.

>Borrow a working tablet from a friend
>Try to experiment with line weight
I was expecting much worse results so I'm pleasantly surprised.

>>4627389
that's some tasty lines anon kun

Do you guys construct using doll joints? I think I want to get into that because I feel like prokos shapes are not working out for me

>>4627389
do lineart in a higher resolution like 4000px x 4000px

>>4626180
Quite soulful.

>>4628453
This is a case of no rules, just tools. Just draw.

>>4628453
>Do you guys construct using doll joints
only uber begs do that.

>>4628501
Om posted some doll joints on his twitter, and I'm pretty sure japs use them secretly.

>>4628521
the closest thing to a doll joints are some messy balls if anything i never seen any descent artist using them, they usually jsut do a rough sketch and jump into the lineart but if you have it post it

>>4628532
That's why I said secretly.

>>4628545
yeah that explains why they never use them on streams and still have the same results as their other works

>>4628501
I occasionally scan /beg/ and they never do this

>>4628553
You're probably using the top 1% as the whole of artists, and are too beg to realize, people use all that their disposable to make good drawings, as they should.

Pyw and we'll see who's right. Here's mine, I drew it in a couple of minutes.

>>4628561
not all begs to that but when they do it it's almost always begs, i have never seen anyone with descent skills doing that unless you show me excatly what do you mean with doll joints, because i seen some people that just draw messy circles, some messy siluetes or just some scribbles but most of them don't relay on those

>>4628582
*on those doll things*

>>4628582
Where's that gantz image?

>>4628588

>>4628594
Gantz looks retarded

are there any good youtube tutorials to coloring/rendering or what's it called? I'm working on CSP btw.

>>4628594
>450x670
Dude...

>>4628497
Bastard, don't fuck my ass again.

quick digital studies last night before passing out.

>>4627237
Guess I'll have to get on that then.

How are your photocopies, /asg/? I think I might be xerox level soon.

I'm like 0.1% as good as diathorn pogU

Studying Asagi's eyes.

scanning stuff is a pain in the ass so here's shitty phone photos. but at least I drew something right?

poses hard

>>4629668
You are already doing better than me

>>4629689
thank you anon, that really means something. I don't know what it means but it means something

why that autists keeps spamming his shitty half finished sketches?
can he even draw a face?

>>4629709
fuck you bitch

got more time to draw now

>>4629709
He's either a troll or retarded. Either way, it's best to just ignore him.

>>4628453
Whatever helps you construct anon. No rools just tules. Personally I do gestures then boxes but not really doll joints

>>4629663
Yes. Nice work anon kun
Don't forget to do several of these instead of doing just one

>>4629714
Nice hitokaku studies!

>>4629709
Just ignore them

>>4629709
Let a nigga Brad Pitt, legend of the fall took the year like a bandit.

>>4629714
Very nice, clean and long lines. How do I learn this?
>in b4 drawing from shoulder
They come up long but not clean and definetly not nice.

>>4629769
I just use ctrl+z until I get lines I want
no joke

>>4629735
Thanks

>>4629784
>I just use ctrl+z until I get lines I want
no joke
We're not supposed to do this?

>>4629769
Fuck you, you piss me off. How come my drawings can't get any critique? Because people like you play favorites in this thread. That's why that faggot who posts his sketches spam them.

>>4629784
Fuck you too, asshole.

>>4629789
There’s a pecking order, so stfu.

>>4629789
are you the shibuya rin guy?

>>4629769
Learn to draw lines with one swipe instead of several small ones. Be careful of zooming-in too much. Ghosting the part where you're supposed to draw also helps.

>>4629799
To me, being ignored for your work is the biggest insult ever. So fuck off with your pecking order

>>4629802
>Learn to draw lines with one swipe instead of several small ones.
I understand this but trying to do that the lines always come out wrong

>>4629806
If you are the guy spamming taimanin Asagi it looks like your work is more focused on shitposting and that you as a person are focused exclusively on shitposting and insulting people gratiously, so for me you are no different from the greysketch tranny and critique would be wasted on you, this will be my only post to you after this I'm going to keep systematically ignoring you until you put serious effort.

>>4629810
you get used to it with enough practice.
also I find it easier to do one swipes when I'm zoomed out with a small % of stabilizer applied

>inb4
>stabilizer

>>4629815
>it looks like your work is more focused on shitposting and that you as a person are focused exclusively on shitposting and insulting people gratiously,
How bias can you get, if that's the case then I will post more serious artwork but it sounds like you're frustrated that people aren't posting any good pictures as much as I am frustrated being ignored, at least this one I posted >>4629585 was decent compared to the other doodles I've been spamming, and if that's the case than these drawings must be shitposts too since no one has given them critique either
>>4628896
>>4629480

>>4629830
how will people take you seriously if all you draw are eddsworld face blobs

>>4629834
*eddsworld face blobs FOR 2 YEARS
fixed

>>4629830
1. I don't know about cartooning.
2. I don't know yours goals and it's too stylized to know your goals.

When someone draws here usually you can see they're trying something out of their skill level, so it's easy to critique. Not with you. Find some cartoonist community.

>>4629851
Are my drawing powers really that cartoony?? I want to use techniques from anime books like hitokaku but I'm too afraid to do so since people here and the OP say to use loomis first but aren't they using methods similar to loomis? See that's the thing, I want to try something new but the fear of someone saying "needs more loomis" sounds like they're putting you down in a way and I know when they say loomis they mean fundamentals but this surely is the fest or last you have heard from someone besides can't I use this for technique instead?

>>4629865
>Are my drawing powers really that cartoony??
can you post more refs of the style you want to achieve?

>I want to use techniques from anime books like hitokaku but I'm too afraid to do so since people here and the OP say to use loomis first but aren't they using methods similar to loomis?
there's a lot anti fundies fags here who doesn't like hearing "fundies". The point of loomis head is to know how to draw heads by using the sphere and establishing where to put the brow, nose and mouth lines. If you don't like drawing loomis old men, then dont. Apply and incoroporate it to anime heads instead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9_ac4-zHFQ

>>4629865
I understand everything now.

You're missing shapes, forms, perspective. Everything you draw is extremely flat. I know for certain the person in this image would be able to turn that head and you can't.

If I would recommend something it's breaking down anime and references into shapes. Trying to understand the 3dness that makes this stuff so appealing.

>>4629902
>You're missing shapes, forms, perspective. Everything you draw is extremely flat. I know for certain the person in this image would be able to turn that head and you can't.
Which is what I understand but i feel like using anything other than loomis might make things difficult than they already are, because people say if you don't use fundies first your drawings will look bad and flat which I know they do but I want to use something else other than loomis but copying anything that's not loomis won't feel right, its like I gotta ask permission to use something else other than loomis
>>4629891
Using the loomis head sphere is something like this, right?

>>4624710
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>>4624715

>>4629668
Can you provide the reference for this pose?

>>4629919
>Using the loomis head sphere is something like this, right?
Yeah. Just like the link I shared too.
Are you going for a westaboo look? Like gashi gashi's style? Do you have any artist you wanna copy?

>>4629891
>can you post more refs of the style you want to achieve?
Oh yeah and the style I'm trying to achieve is akin to that of Mogeko/deep sea prisoner but I'm still trying to decide since I enjoyed the manga of toilet bound hanako kun

>>4629951
>gashi gashi
Yeah something like that, thanks for recommendation. But yeah, definitely something grafiti-esque with real bold sharp outlines, I used to follow a bunch of pixiv artists who had that style in mind but aren't active lately, not really a trigger style

>>4629965
I literally want the same art style, and it's quite kek how far we both we are from our goals.

>>4620337
no one drew the second girl, so i did. whoever's posting those refs, keep it up. you're doing the lord's work.
>>4629585
when drawing appealing eyes, a core aspect i see ignored is flow. basically, it's how you're lead across the eye. in your ref, you can get from one end to the other through a nice smooth path. in your attempts, the path isn't so clear. there's sharp turns, forks in the road. it's difficult to get to the other side. use line weight to drive home the overall shape of the eye. lmk if this makes sense, i might make a little guide on this.
>>4628896
i think you'd benefit from heavier construction and going a bit slower. take your time.

if you want critique, just ask with your post. we can't read your mind anon

>>4630077
>use line weight to drive home the overall shape of the eye.
Thank you, I'll try to break down the shapes and use more precise lineweight instead of straight copying since I used this as ref

>>4630077
I drew it as well but I'm incredibly ashamed and sad with the end result. Im starting to think I might have an actual neurological disease, heads that I drew one year ago were much better than the ones I do now. And this is with me grinding the topic heavily, I think I have done around 300 heads this week alone and they just keep getting worse.

>>4630123
>he feel for the loomis meme

>>4630077
gonna draw the 2nd girl tomorrow after I'm finished with my current one

>>4630132
I have feel for all the memes and not memes. Multiple times

man i'm dogshit

>>4630360
Disconnect yourself from your work, and you draw considerably worse the first hour you're drawing everyday.

Opinions on this pose? It's for a character sheet

>>4630402
The pose looks odd, looks like the upper and lower body are using different perspectives, also upper looks like leaning but lower body looks like a straight pose and there is no connection to these transitions so it looks disjointed. Also she has no abdomen so it looks like her ribcage collapsed into her pelvis.

>>4630426
garbage advice

>>4630445
Good thing he was asking for opinions and not advice.

>>4630445
how is that garbage? hes right.

greysketch-kun, if you want to post your sketch at least make it with different colors or make it informative for other people to learn from your sketch. Something like this.

>>4630402
right hand has a weird posture.
Try to do the pose yourself, and feel how weird is it to leave your hand hanging like that.

>>4630396
is this "NOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST KILL MY DOGGO! NOT MY HECKIN' GOOD BOY! NOT MY CLOUDYBOI LONGBOI MLEM BORK BORK PUPPERINO NOOOO!" guy?

>>4630458
Give me a brush that lets me render hair this way, and I'll do it.

>>4630402
>TFW the paper is too big for the scanner
Shit on the whole thing

>>4629965
that's a cute style
have you tried copying from the artist's works? Deconstruct and analyze the shapes and form of the drawing?
Like what anon said, your art looks flat; you need to practice your shape and forms

>>4630483
"click" Дa

More practices.

Since i started to deconstruct drawings into shapes, I don't know how head should look like anymore.
I feel like my observatory skill is lowering the more i learn about the technical side and behind the scenes of drawing.

>>4630684
Yeah dude, you have follow guides to very last word. Deciding your own practice is NGMI!

>>4630523
Work on your beg fundies more.

I see someone had a meltdown

reminder that loomis is a meme unless you actually have zero talent

>>4630708
Draw some faces, man. Don't you know how important faces are?

What is the best way to copy? Just draw construction masks on images you want you emulate / learn from?

>>4631005
Yeah, that's good advice, may be overdosing on figure drawings.

>>4631036
Copy with construction, then from imagination in different angles. Repeat. You want to solidify in your mind whatever you're learning.

>>4631042
Got it. So from the sticky resources, my plan is to tackle my reference folder of things I love by masking over them, and then practicing making masks on my own from imagination in different angles?

>>4631081
What do you mean by mask? I guess so.

>>4631081
If you are just starting out there is almost no wrong direction since it is all new. Try multiple things out and see what works for you. Just try to have some fun mixed in with the studies. Also, not all advice is equal and never trust anything at face value, even what I'm telling you. Some people don't have a clue and others downright mislead. Just take things with a grain of salt and you will do fine.

>>4630123
anon, the correct shape of things arent as important as the feelings behind things. as long as the result is adjacent to correct, its fine. i can see youre being too strict with whats supposed to look correct rather then what looks good -- my advice is to stop grinding fundamentals for a while and just have some fun drawing weird and incorrect stuff on purpose.

>>4631129
Yeah I guess I've just been worried about if what I'm doing is efficient.

>>4631042
kek how many years have you been drawing those shitty stick figures?
hate to crab, but NGMI. you are the weeb equivalent of that one swedish guy

Anyone have a link to any Lupin III part III sheets?

>>4631179
>that one swedish guy
oh no no no

>>4631139
I grantee it is inefficient. Efficiency takes lots of practice to figure what works and how. Everybody wishes they were more efficient. Don't worry about all that crap. Just remember every time you pen hits paper you are improving something as long as you look at it with a judgemental eye. If you want absolute gains I cant tell you a secret that doesn't involve torturing yourself with a extremely high chance of burnout and less chance of success than enjoying what you are doing and learning as you go.

>>4631199
Here's this.

>>4631226
That does make sense. I gotta be loose about it. I do have a lot of nerves and fears to overcome; I'm still drawing basic shapes and stuff. But I'm eager to start and it is all very fun so far.

>>4624044
Am I doing this right?

>>4631179
Couple of months.

so should i just copy stuff from artists i like? ive barely drawn in my life btw

>>4624522
I love this art style, any tips to draw closer to this?

>>4631255
I absolutely encourage you to bite off more than you can chew. You already know its going to suck so whats the big deal. Try bold things now and then and work on your weakest points. Shape and such are fine but try and use them in something you want to draw. Gota push yourself technically.

>>4631258
bear-y cute<3

>>4631301
Might as well. I'm gonna stop tiptoeing around the issue. I need to just draw it.

Thanks bro.

What's the Japanese term for sheets like this used to study the characters?

>>4630527
>have you tried copying from the artist's works?
I thought copying was bad but I'll do it, just need to figure out how to visually deconstruct it like you said since I usually just free hand my drawings without proper guidelines to give it a three dimensional effect without looking flat however I do try to draw the heads as a circle like mogeko does but I think there's more to it, yes?

>>4631258
A-are those tits?

>>4631357
settei, i tend to use this site a lot:
https://setteidreams.net/settei/

I'm gonna clean it. Maybe.

>>4631258
Why did you separated the highlights and shadows? Wouldn't it be more easier to just draw the shadows in?

>>4631412
>https://setteidreams.net/settei/
What the fuck, where's settei for chaika? Or agent AIKa

>>4630077
Gimmeh the eye tutorial anon
Lay it on me

>>4631425
Because that's how Retas Studio works.
>>4631392
Yes.

>>4624710
>>4624711
>>4624713
>>4624715
thanks, my based friend, on my way to make it now

Somethings wrong, I just dont know what. Usually I don't draw this kind of style and it looks really weird.

>>4631300
I tried to explain my coloring process on the last thread >>4617380

In this case I used the following layers and flattened the image

>>4631521
I'll screencap it and use it and share it for future use thank you

>>4630505
the default watercolor brush in sai2 does it ez

>>4631527
>sai2
This one, right? I thought it was still being developed because the one I have doesn't let me edit the eraser to be more binary for when I use the binary brush

>>4631526
no problem, also watch Lack's streams on youtube
That's how I started coloring

>>4631533
yeah, it's still being worked on but the water color brush is still great for rendering, there's been a lot of updates since that screenshot you posted
an example that would help you is "Switch to transparency" which turns whatever brush you're using into a transparent brush
so just hotkey it and easily switch between eraser and not eraser

>>4631534
Here you go

>>4631558
oh nice to think you found this useful, this was a drawing of 4 months ago and one of the first ones I did using grayscale, the process is practically the same but what I can advise now is to spend more time applying the values on the grayscale layer and do most of the painting in the multiply layer, this will give a more natural look, so keep that in mind


here is one of the streams that I watch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNi3dY_v-7I

>>4631552
It kinda feels weird using it when the exe doesn't have an icon, like its there but when you open it up and see it on the taskbar it icon doesn't show up and it just uses a standard exe one

>>4631558
>howtopaintsoullesstrash.png

>>4631417
looks adorable, good job at keeping the faces the same. also nice lines

>>4631594
you can change icons for things dude

>>4631133
> I can see youre being too strict with whats supposed to look correct rather then what looks good
But it looks both incorrect and bad
>My advice is to stop grinding fundamentals for a while and just have some fun drawing weird and incorrect stuff on purpose.
I have tried. But I just can't draw what I want to draw and the fact that everything comes out terrible just hits me in the face at every attempt. Weird and incorrect stuff is the only output I get even if I'm trying or not. I have been trying to fight against my negative feelings but the fact I just keep constantly regressing and the constant terrible results is a reality that I cannot ignore, Im just so sad and tired of this.

>>4631516
your hair looks like shit

>>4631698
You're not regressing anon. We've been there at some point (and some still do)

>>4631516

>>4631722
It's just standin to help me figure out the volume and proportion of the head, it might as well just not be there.. What really concerns me are the facial features. Ive always been bad at heads but this takes the cake.

>>4631744
>facial features
what do you think is wrong?

>>4631751
Well, in the first one the eyes were TOO big and stretched out to the sides of the face, and the far eye wasn't properly following the form of the construction ball. In the second I definately like it better but now the jaw is fucked, I think I might now actually like drawing anime style lol. My mistakess are so jarring at these caricatured scales that it hurts to look at, even though I prefer the style when anyone else does it. It's like my drawing is screaming YOU DONT KNOW HOW TO DRAW FACIAL FEATURES!

>>4631734
>You're not regressing anon. We've been there at some point (and some still do)
I have seen very few artists talk about this. However they never ever provide proof and they always are great accomplished artists with seemingly no difficulties whatsoever when it comes to art so I really can't trust this narrative. To me it seems they just play with the very real frustration of failures like me just for even more clout.

>>4631766
doesn't seems like there's any issues of such to me.
Did you come from drawing realistic drawings first?
Seems like your issue is your brain couldn't accept the way anime drawings work because the facial features are not on where a real normal person's face should be.

>>4631734
>You're not regressing anon
I am regressing, I'm not making this up. I keep most of the work. Left is from November 2019. Someone told me to check my past work to get motivated by my own progress but I came to the realization that when it comes to heads and faces I've been steadily regressing and quality has been progressively becoming worse and worse non stop ever since Jaunary 2020. Despite knowing very well which construction I used on the one on the left I just cannot replicate it, the lines, shapes and overall form comes mismatched altogether. Also when it comes to my daily life I've been having a much harder time functioning overall despite the overall situation being unchanged, that's what I'm worried that I might have a degenerative disease.

study from today

study from today (resized)

>>4631852
hair way too saturated, maybe play with her right foot a bit to sell more three dimensionality, it just looks flat because no overlaps or hint of form

>>4631783
what i can tell you is that its not a clout thing. the fact is, normies get bored of people showing their vulnerabilities. and 4chan can get straight up hostile - no artist thats super good really wants to show their actual processess on this site. reason being, theyll get torn apart in a way that doesnt happen on other platforms. i mean, youre asking for things (artistic failures) that are really personal and vulnerable parts of people, and theres really no demand or place for that kind of showcase. Even when great artists do show their failures or improvements, its often shrugged off as bait, like exactly what youre doing right now.

also, im >>4631698 and you misinterpreted my advice. ill try to be more specific and upload a one page visual representation of exactly what I meant, but its gonna have to wait till i get home in an hour.

as far as regressing, a famous artist once said that anything you cant replicate was something you never really knew to begin with. you may not want to hear it, but its a chance to learn.

>>4631856
>>4631856
I could never do blondes right :( at least I tried (again). I went full saturation and then a bit darker and more desaturated red.

What do you suggest for painting blonde hair? For the base color, shading and highlights?

>>4631740
gmi anon?

Excellent video for gmi anons:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHYyYwqeCj4

>>4631838
Everything about that face and hands screams no anatomical knowledge.

>>4631838
doesn't look that much different to me.
It's just that on the left, it's sketches, so your brain will fill in the brain and make it look pretty.
While on the right, it's hard lines that your brain trying to make sense of.

Is drawing from imagination bad?
Because i can't judge if i'm doing it right or not.

>>4631952
if you're beginning, try this:

>instead of drawing from imagination
>think about drawing from memory, so that you can save art you like in your head

basically, draw from reference, try your best to capture what you like about the drawing (even just copying is hard enough, trust me).

then after you did your best to copy it, try to loosely draw it from memory on a piece of disposable paper, if you could do it, it means you really learned something and you might be able to do it in the future.

now think about it, when you get enough knowledge about how to reproduce things you like, you might be able to mix them and create new things you like from the good art you already can create, then you can start doing things from pure imagination.

another intermediate step would be, after you understand stylization and have copied hundreds if not thousands of art you like, you get photos of real people and try to stylize them. You still get the reference so you're also studying anatomy, gesture and everything, but now you're exercising some imagination about how to stylize it so it's not a pure copy.

>>4631932
that video is just common sense god people are retarded

>>4631967
nowadays common sense isn't so common, even here where the OP tells beginners EXACTLY what to do you see retards who just begun drawing trying to draw shit from imagination.

like fuck, you wouldn't want to compose music without experience and basic music theory knowledge, why do you think it would be different with drawing?

look, it's an improvement guide i found on pixiv
notice anything

>>4631838
How often do you practice construction and figure/head drawings?

>>4631984
>1. Copy
>2. Attempt to draw the copy from memory
>3. ???
>4. ???
>5. ???

>>4631994
>pose
>composition
>composition from anime/manga (?)

>>4631783
I've experienced frustrations for the past 10 years since I started drawing. Within those years I stopped drawing for 2-3 years and on some I only drew for 2 months then stopped again for 6 months. It felt very frustrating and directionless. It's only 2 years ago after discovering this board that I manage to draw something I'm contented again. Forcing myself to draw regularly with other anons and seeing other's studies in this board definitely helps

>>4631992
I draw every day about 6+ hours after work and inbetween lunch breaks and all day during my free days, of those 1 or 2 are dedicated to heads permanently (as it keeps being wrong). 2 to practicing other subject or something new and 2+ to free drawing, According to my log the only times I haven't been able to draw was 1 week due to emergency changes at work due to the corona issue + 2 weeks of hospital time due to my health deteriorating.

>>4632012
excuse my english it's horrid

>>4631984
>copy from sight
>copy from memory
>imagination drawing from character design artworks?
>draw with environment
>Copy from Anime??
But what do you want us to notice?

>>4631994
my understanding is
copy
full memorization copy 丸暗記模写
character pose concept work 想作
layout concept
full screen tv layout concept reproductions, 5-15 minutes on them and do about 10

>>4632028
where are you from anon?

>>4630123
>>4631133
>>4631698
>>4631873

>>4632114
Nice

>>4632114
>Points everything that is not correct in the first picture
>Tells to forego correctness in last frame, experiment and bee urself
wtf

>>4632114
I really don't understand this advice, what would be the point of breaking/playing/experimenting with the fundamentals when the fundamentals were already wrong in the first place? The end result on both sides is extremely wrong and I fail to see how this would be conducive to any sort of improvement whatsoever. I appreciate the intention and trying to help but I'm really missing the point.

>>4632165
Yea i don't agree with that anon.
Your faces are symbol drawing and your hands are bad.
Time to go beyond mastering copying anon. Go anatomy and fundies

>>4632165
>>4632135
lmao the point is that it's not about fundamentals, it's about using them in moderation. If you overuse fundies, drawings get too stiff. In order to get the most out of your art, you can't forget to have fun and do silly doodles too.
>do fundamentals
>have fun forgetting fundamentals and doodle random stuff
literally do both to improve. If you don't like your drawings, you're concentraiting too much on fundies and not fun. If you feel like you're stagnating, then you're concentraiting too much on fun. Do both.

>>4632178
>Just have fun being terrible
What kind of bizarre gatekeeping is this?

>>4632188
get out! you guys don't just stop to have fun in between drawings? what the fuck??????? lmao

/beg/ here, can I get some critique?
I know the pose is stupid, I was trying out one I drew while practicing gestures.

>>4632221
Do you have a ref of the pose?

>>4632269
No I just made it up when drawing the flow. It's possible but very painful, which I tend to do when drawing anything unconventional.

>>4632269
>>4632273
See, I kind of used the same pose as my practice but I changed it to be a little more workeable.

>>4632221
>stupid pose
It's good for learning poses.
I'm not good enough to tell you what's wrong.
But it looks wrong.

>>4632187
the hand holding the object looks completely fucked in the original, like the artist used the wrong arm or angle. mostly decent job everywhere else but butchered an already bad hand, only thing i'd say is work on getting equivalent details in the background.

>>4632378
Probably the left upper arm, its kinda bent and there is no integration into the torso. Just looks like it was pinned on or something.

>>4632135
experimentation is the mother of improvement

https://towardsdatascience.com/exploration-in-reinforcement-learning-e59ec7eeaa75

>>4632188
I agree competely with anon, having started drawing with dodson and loomis, it took took me a while to see that most anime don't conform to idealized proportions, especially in the head. Nowadays instead of using loomis to construct the head I just draw a circle and put the chin at its lowest point instead of lowering the chin from the circle, my heads are much better.

When drawing realism I use loomis and I'm currently learning the reilly abstraction for drawing and shading realistic portraits.

But yeah, anime.deviates A LOT from realism. Experimentation is key.

Practice for today.
I don't get it.
Why the face on right looks weird?
The top left looks fine.
But when i draw it, something just doesn't seems right.

But when i translate them a little (as shown in the bottom face)
They look indefinitely better.

>>4632796
That all looks like shit, but front on views always kind of suck, so it might not be your fault.

>>4632796
Either her jaw is too wide or the eyes are too small. Anime face ratios are always hard to grasp

>>4631521
Thanks anon, you're really helpful. I just realized you're the same person who helped me a few weeks ago as well and it was good advice. How long have you been drawing can I ask? I feel like I'm a tier or two below you rn but I'm hella motivated and have saw a lot of improvements as of late and can actually see a roadmap to getting to a level closer to yours instead of just not being able to see how it's possible to level up if that makes sense.

>>4632369
the head wouldnt be able to turn that far in that pose. its full frontal right now, but youd need a 3/4th angle or a side view of the head. right now she looks posessed

>>4632755
this is a really cool article anon ty

>>4632189
nice job

>>4632924
There was another from a stanford scientist but I couldn't find it. It basically concludes that people who experiment more tend to have a worse time in the beginning of learning tasks, but their curves tend to reach much higher later.

Basically, it's always good to experiment and keep experimenting, or else you'll inevitably stagnate somewhere down the line.

Of course, study, study from reference, learn fundies and practice them, but also with every study try something new, even if it ends up sucking, you'll learn something new with it, so it's always a win for you.

best article I've ever read on placing figures in perspective, much better than loomis imo:

https://www.howtodrawcomics.net/placing-figures-in-perspective

https://twitter.com/tarou2/status/1269106578738855937

Fuck this is so fucking great

Anyone have the mega to mangamaterials?

>>4633120
anything is better than loomis

>>4633281
yes, thanks for asking

Does anyone have any tutorials on how to achieve lighting like this?

>>4633380
You think you’re funny bud. No problem, I transferred the files from my PC.

>>4633439
not really, i just didn't want to help you

>>4633452
Typical sad little /ic/ worm

>>4633460
whatever you say mate

What is the preferred/typical anime figure construction?

>>4632841
Nice, thanks. But I don't remember what I told you exactly, was it something about figure drawing? I started drawing seriously in late 2018 and went digital 13-14 months ago.

Anyway, I'm glad to know that you are making progress anon, keep improving

>>4633493
>anime figure construction
peak ngmi right here

>>4633428
have your character in one layer group
clip a layer on top of that and add brown airbrush; set to multiply and cover one side of the character.
create a new clipping layer above that and add circle gradients with very light yellow; make that layer overlay.

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>>4633547
>>4633547
>>4633547

>>4633543
Thanks for the advice but I was more looking at the black shadows where the light has been blocked.