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Post art style you can't stand for unknown reasons

>> No.4616853

>>4616851
Generic anime like isekai or shonens

>> No.4616868

>>4616851

You really have a hateboner for fiona staples huh?

>> No.4616879

>>4616868
Her lighting gets on my nerves too much

>> No.4616937

>>4616851
how many times have you posted this exact thread

>> No.4616982

>>4616851
I love this style, I don't dig the white background on this one though

>> No.4616990
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4616990

>>4616851
I think she can get a little sloppy when doing the actual comic but I like her covers.

>> No.4617004
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4617004

sci-fi videogame concept art.

>> No.4617015
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4617015

This disgusting shit often seen on tumblr and fat twitter.
I don’t even know where it is from.

>> No.4617033
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>>4617015
exaclty, it's the same steven jewniverse type shit I see everywhere nowadays too. But nothing pisses me off more than the "Big gay" art style. or the corporate google

>> No.4617115

>>4617004
What's wrong with this?
I mean are you expecting the artists to come up with different poses/redraw the character for every slight design change they want to proof? You should be thankful this particular example isn't even photobashed, or at least not in a way that's egregious or noticeable
If you're talking about the sci-fi aspects specifically like shape language they use for the robotics, that shit's been in play for years and most of it just rips off 80s-90s mecha like EVA or Patlabor

>> No.4617125

>>4617033
God the "big tech company" art style is so terrible. They always make everybody into ugly abominations.

>> No.4617206
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4617206

This kind of art style. It's not all furshit, just this kind of furshit that happens to be the most common and popular art style among furries.

It just repulses me so fucking much for reasons I can't entirely explain.

>> No.4617232

>>4617206
I wonder, Disney, Warner, and many others have made tons of anthropomorphic animals for decades

Yet the 'furry' style is so recognizable

>> No.4617244

>>4617232
they add some elements from their costumes to it

>> No.4617266

>>4617206
You mean the big dumb nose+bigger than anime eyes+overly voluminous jawline combo? As a furry myself I hate the style too.

>> No.4617282
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4617282

Chinise games

>> No.4617523

>>4617015
That's more or less the house style for popular tumblr artists in the mid 2010s.

>> No.4617568

>>4616851
no, i don't wanna post my own work.

>> No.4617600
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4617600

I hate their pig noses.
They have obese body types.
It's like the artist tried to make the characters as unaesthetic as possible.

If you get a chance to actually watch Steven Universe, their conversations don't flow. Actually listening to the characters talk and interact is very jarring. I've read that the creator is somewhat autistic, and when I watch the show, it really does feel like I'm watching a bunch of autistic people interact. Their responses and emotional reactions don't match up or make sense. It's very bizarre.

>> No.4617612

>>4617282
His armor has that chunky plastic look like in Fortnite, Subnautica, and Team Fortress 2

>> No.4617618

>>4617004
too many yellows and browns

>> No.4617807

>>4617600
Are you autistic too?

>> No.4617902
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4617902

>>4617612
>TF2
Really hoping that you're not shitting on TF2's art direction anon

>> No.4617965

>>4617902
pretty sure anon lumped tf2 with the rest just because it's cartoony

>> No.4618072

>>4617600
It's just histrionic female behavior, shit that would have been checked in the past, is encouraged and allowed to express itself because it's supposedly healthier to express one's emotions to that extent.
But I think it's the opposite, validating the most extreme type of emotion and behavior only feeds it and makes it worse.
Basically tumblr.

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4618091

>>4616851
I don't like the colors and shading of Zelda:BotW.

>>4618072
good analysis

>> No.4618435

>>4617004
Degenerates who make sci-fi tech look like iphones must be hanged.
Unless it's Brave New World adaptation/fanart.

>> No.4618460

>>4617600
Let's have a clip then dearie

>> No.4618938

>>4617618
>thats racist!.jpg

>> No.4618956
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4618956

the hat in time art style. I love the 2d art but for some reason I hate the 3d models.

>> No.4618968

>>4618956
Looks like Asian knock-off 3D movies. Like that picture looks like knock-off Chinese Harry Potter.

>> No.4619041

>>4618956
I honestly like that pic even if it looks bad. It looks like early 2000s gamecube promo art.

>> No.4619042

>>4616853
That’s not an art style, anon...

>> No.4619081
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4619081

I guarantee we've all seen this crap on the internet before.

>> No.4619084

>>4617206
Would you say the same if the character was more distinct? Personally I don't take much issue with the style itself, rather the soulless, dime-a-dozen character design.

>> No.4619087
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4619087

Not the miniatures themselves (well a lot are try hard)
Its the paint jobs, Whenever normies get to choose colors its always a shitshow.
Speacial mention, every create a character engine, Those are either, "i'm a badass" red and black, or "I don't know how to make it good, so i'll make it horrible" and i'll just copy some other ip.

>> No.4619091

>>4619081
Can't really hate on kids and/or literal autists like that. Makes me nostalgic for my prime deviantart days.

>> No.4619128

>>4619042
Why not? Anime is an art style

>> No.4619861
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4619861

>>4616851
i absolutely hate this style. i dont know how to describe this but it's half dead hipster style when realistic faces drawn in ugly Manhattan/Brooklyn type of people or something like that.

>> No.4619865

>>4616851
I hate the faux "painterly" look that became popular around 2010.

>> No.4619869
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4619869

>>4619861
I actually really like Dan Clowns’ style.

>> No.4619870

>>4617282
>>4617612
is there a word for the ugly thick blizzard armor piping?

>> No.4619882

>>4619869
yeah this fucking ugly shit. i fucking hate it so much

>> No.4619889
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4619889

I hate all of picrelated. I made this picture 2 years ago for the same thread that was made back then.
>generic weeb shit/lolicrap

>> No.4619914
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4619914

>>4619882
To each his own I suppose

>> No.4619938
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4619938

>>4619084
The design and color choices themselves suck, but it really is the style itself that puts me off. They look like those stupid, goofy, overly-saccharine and cutesy fursuits.
It's not just because it looks cartoony either, I don't mind classic Disney anthropomorphized animals or the modern style of Zootopia. Endtown's art style doesn't bother me either. And I absolutely love Blacksad. Even though these styles ostensibly share a lot of DNA with the furshit art style there's just something about it that's extremely repugnant to me.

>> No.4620005
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>>4619869
>>4619914
loved clowes back in the day.
like a velvet glove cast in iron is great

anyway Frank Quitely people who look like theyve sat too long in a bath so now theyre all wrinkled is just horrendeous

>> No.4620194

>>4619889
>Dexter's Lab
>Generic weeb shit/lolicrap
What?

>> No.4620214
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4620214

>>4620005
I'm a pretty huge Quitely fan but his faces can definitely look off putting.

>> No.4620535
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4620535

bring on the haters

>> No.4620537

>>4620535
Crumb is god

>> No.4620550
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4620550

this kind of art style bleeds my ayes

>> No.4620551

>>4620550
I didn't even need to look at the filename to know it was from tumblr haha

>> No.4620554

>>4620535
Maybe you can help me understand the appeal of troll women.

>> No.4620566

>>4620550 >>4617015
Most people with this artstyle are just kids trying to make something cutesy/appealing though. They're still learning. That aside, I still don't like it.

>> No.4620568

>>4619081
I used to draw shit like this back in the day lmao. Being a kid was so simple

>> No.4620576
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4620576

Something about some Vertigo graphic novels like Y the Last Man or some of Fables just seems off and bland

>> No.4620579

>>4616851
She's the best case of her covers being waaayy better than the interior which i can understand why that is and that's fine. But her style is subjective at best.

>> No.4621020
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4621020

This fucking abomination, I know that artists have a very tight schedule but holy fuck.

>> No.4621064

>>4621020
My sides

>> No.4621144

>>4617618
You're right. The Western world is doomed.

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4621501

>>4619861

>> No.4621908

>>4617618
I also hate south East Asians

>> No.4622103

>>4619865
Examples?

>> No.4622349

>>4617004
you realize concept art isnt meant to look pretty or presentable right????

>> No.4622351

>>4617600

you dont have a problem with the style you have a problem with the contents; with what's being drawn

learn the difference people

>> No.4622703
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>>4617206
These are the only based furries

>> No.4622732

>>4622349
yes? I hate how cluggered and generic it is. Seen one, seem them all.

>> No.4622738

>>4616851
im convinced now its just one autist sperging over Saga.

we keeping having these threads and its always saga with the title "styles you hate, why does this look so shit"

>> No.4622969

>>4619938
>>They look like those stupid, goofy, overly-saccharine and cutesy fursuits.
It leeches off the generic Disney-Pixar art style and is an obvious smokescreen meant to cover up all the degenerate pedophilic/zoophilic behavior they commit behind closed doors.
>look at how cute and wide-eyed and innocent I totally am guys

>> No.4622973
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>> No.4622994

>>4616879
Too bad she’s 1000X better than you will ever be.

>> No.4622998

>>4616982
No one cares.

>> No.4623001

>>4616990
I’ll make sure to notify her that you think she’s a little sloppy but you like her covers.

>> No.4623009

>>4619861
Half of (((Fantagraphics))) bullshit catalog

>> No.4623015

>>4619914
No.
He is objectively correct.
You are what’s wrong with society.

>> No.4623023

>>4623015
go jack off to moeblobs

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>>4616851
I fucking goddamn hate this style so fucking much. It makes me unreasonably fucking angry. It's that modern Disney calarts animation student style with the beady, soulless eyes. Faces are just fucking annoying, they usual have bobble heads and string bodies, and I'd bet anything that they have buck/crooked teeth too.

It just fucking makes me angry.

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>>4620535
not hate, more like pity. the man is a beast

>> No.4623166

>>4616982
I love too. As we could see in Saga, Fiona Staples is one of those artists who draw all kinds of things and she has fun doing it. Unlike many here who cry because they only know draw tits.

>> No.4623285
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4623285

>>4616851
this

>> No.4623292

>>4616851
Anything that leans to heavily in traditional styles like pic related. Learn to be more creative, fuckers. Fundies are supposed to be learning tool, not an eternal crutch.

>> No.4623293
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4623293

>>4616851

>> No.4623354

>>4623292
What a dumb opinion??

>> No.4623362

>>4623293
why is this so absolutely hateable
i dont know why but i hate the third one over from the top the most
then the second one over on the bottom

>> No.4623368

>>4623362
Its hateable because the characters would be hateable irl as well. Why draw them? It makes the artist hateable. Just so much hateable.

>> No.4623370
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4623370

>>4616851
I absolutely fucking hate my friend's artstyle. Like what the fuck is this abomination? I wanna tell her how shitty it looks but im too much of a pussy to tell

>> No.4623416

>>4623285
soul

>> No.4623489

>>4623370
be a good friend and tell her it looks like horseshit (or at least in a nicer way)

>> No.4623492
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4623492

>>4623293
more of this

>> No.4623497
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>>4623362
bitch looks like ET

>> No.4624076

>>4623293
unironically like short black woman. It's like she's a character from a pixar short about a female plumber who has to deal with sentient toilets

>> No.4624093
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4624093

This Illustration style of the early to mid 1900’s. It’s featured a lot in the Fallout games, in Loomis’s books, and in a lot of old book covers.

>> No.4624096
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In 2012-2013, this youtuber named "Pan Pizza" from "RebelTaxi99" was making art while going to a university majoring in art. After graduation, he decided to excel in youtube videos and graphic design. The man has a great sense in colors, shapes and dynamic lines, but has stagnated when comes to drawing actual figures/characters. I was checking his art from 3 years ago, and he only improved by 20%. I only hate his artstyle because I know his aesthetic approach and see the potential in it. He wants to draw like Studio Trigger/Gainax directors Yoh Yoshinari and Atsushi Nishigori but with thicker lines, yet he knows nothing about anatomy and has admitted to getting overwhelmed at challenging his art

>> No.4624098

>>4624096
>you can't stand for unknown reasons
whoopss

>> No.4624108

>>4623497
She looks like she's been pinched by giant fingers in the middle, and all her fat went to her head and lower half.

>> No.4624170
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>>4619128
Not all anime looks the same tho. There’s a difference between JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure and Sailor Moon

>> No.4624188

>>4617033
Those headphone are amazing compared to their peanut heads.

>> No.4624205

blizzard art, shitty western cartoons,comic books style,tumblr like shit,furries etc
All this i just hate it

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>>4616851
My own stlye

>> No.4624592

>>4624209
Ol cabbage head returns

>> No.4624598

>>4624170
I have a feeling you post this a lot to defend the 99% of generic weebshit that anime is

>> No.4624621

>>4624170
most does look the same, thats why people appreciate when something looks different.

>> No.4624851
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4624851

>>4623370
If she's intent on drawing animu shit, buy her a 'how to draw manga' book or something. Atleast that way she might become less shit.

>> No.4624921
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4624921

This shit, furry stuff is garbage in general

>> No.4624923

>>4624209
Yeah me too

>> No.4624928
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This is one of my friend's artstyles. It's always weirded me the hell out. Here's another one:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ES5o9WkWsAA8PmS?format=jpg&name=large

Its such a stark contrast to his other works too

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETDXMJ9WkAAw8PV?format=jpg&name=large

>> No.4624933

>>4624928
Those tits look pretty out of place

>> No.4624948

>>4624928
The faces are disgusting but the rest of it looks kinda cool

>> No.4625053

>>4617232
Most of their anthropomorphic characters aren’t multi rainbow colored messes. They respectfully look close enough to animals without giving off the uncanny valley vibe.

>> No.4625056

>>4623293
These are designed for 3D animation

>> No.4625084

>>4622732
are you stupid

>> No.4625675

>>4623102
are you okay? who hurt you?

>> No.4625716

>>4625675
The style he's criticising, stupid. Can't you read?

>> No.4625997

>>4625716
no shit faggot, point is

imagine being angry at a style like what
and that isnt even criticism that just straight up hatred

>> No.4626378

>>4623293
This is just bad on purpose

>> No.4626387

>>4623497
Hidamari sketch pixar style

>> No.4626389

>>4624170
I know faggot, that's why i said the generic isekai style

>> No.4626954
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4626954

>>4623293
i'm honestly happy seeing this, i'm genuinely laughing. this is fucking funny to me. in so many ways - both terrible and good because of how beautifully laughable it is. i've reached a point of ecstasy. wonderful.

>> No.4626959
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this annoying fucking shit pisses me off so much. the show itself is terribly written, but that's besides the point. i can't stand the upturned noses and scrunched up wiggly fucking faces.

>> No.4626982

>>4619861
to be fair this image is pretty accurate to what these character's look like irl. So it's pretty impressive they're recognizable despite the ugly style.

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>>4617206
lol never thought I see thanshuhai art on here, i think it could decent if the eyes weren't so overly shiny

While we're on the topic of irksome furry art, I always found tacklebawks(assuming its a he) style to be somewhat obnoxious, its the way he draws his faces and those weird expressions, little off putting for me, though I think his painting ability is decent

>> No.4629345

>>4622969
just like anime right?

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4629350

>>4617206
>>4617266

He seems like a decent artist, I mean he's a better 99% of /ic/ that's for sure

>> No.4630629

>>4619861
it is funny

>> No.4630757

>>4616851
Oh, I can help you understand your reasoning anon. You are envious of their skill or justa a bad person in general. It has to do with your upbringing.
You are welcome.

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4630889

these cocksucker mouths make me angry

>> No.4630931

>>4624921
Looks very unlike most furry garbage I think. I like the overall style at least.

>> No.4631024

>>4623293
You win the thread

>> No.4631130
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The art itself isn't so bad, it's the attention-hungry personality of the artist. Same with ShittyWatercolor

>> No.4631146

>>4631130
Whats with the little comic at the bottom? And why does it look like those reddit comics people constantly use

>> No.4631148
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4631148

>>4616851
This CRAZY and EPIC skater dude style pisses me off so much. Its like what school shooters draw in the margins of their school work

>> No.4631161

>>4631148
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjo6V1Y18Qs

>> No.4631212
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When a character is drooling or sweating and the drop is the same color as their skin.
Or the drop is a hole in their skin.

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Anime when they can't decide how to draw mouths from the side, and they become gaping cheek holes.

>> No.4631256

>>4620576
funny thing is that the pencil sketches of those probably look awesome, i bet it's a problem with the inking and coloring

>> No.4631262

>>4631212
guilty, but for me only when its for "comedic" sexy effect

>> No.4631265

>>4631242
Style decision aside, a part of the reason why is because it's cheaper to animate. Same reason why anime doesn't really bother with animating the mouth properly, or how the jawline doesn't mouth along with it.

>> No.4631272
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>>4616851
Cartoon style is for people who are too lazy to render things.

>> No.4631293
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4631293

Just yuck.

>> No.4631311
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4631311

>>4631148
>bashing legendary Jim Phillips

>> No.4631320

>>4631146
it is

>> No.4631322

>>4631293
I don't understand why this faggy jojo shit is so popular

>> No.4631467

>>4631322
People with jojo avatars tend to act like entitled assholes, too

>> No.4631554

>>4618091
The shading and colours of BoTW are a cover for the Switch's lack of processing power.

>> No.4631559

>>4620535
I respect our differences in taste. Shitting on crumb for reasons not related to politics takes guts.

>> No.4631572

>>4623370
A real friend would help them, even when it hurts. Do what you know is right but do it tactfully.

>> No.4631834

>>4631293
I came into this thread not hating any of the professional stuff, but this, literally shit.

>> No.4632460

>>4620535
agree. The way he renders makes his characters look filthy.
Also, none of his creations are attractive looking but that might be on purpose.

>> No.4632462

>>4620576
I think it's fine. Colours could be more saturated though

>> No.4632493

>>4631242
Eh, that one isn't bad. It fits with the bubbly, cartoonish, and comedic kinds of styles imo.

>> No.4632522

>>4623370
Holy FUCK lmao
That's not "bad art style" that's just plain lacking in fundamental skills bruv.

>> No.4632665

>>4631467
They do all the same bullshit fans of series like mha do yet for some reason they get a pass and everyone thinks it's epic when they do it.

>> No.4632696

>>4622973
Anyone remembers an animation made with this exact kind of character but "she" was blue and it was for a music ? it was a fan made music video ? it's been a while now, maybe 5+ years ago ?

>> No.4632704

>>4632696
Holy shit, I found it again and this is exactly... not what I remembered.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PKNuZovuSw

>> No.4632725

Everyone who uses yellow orangey skin due to not adjusting their monitor settings.

>> No.4632731

>>4630889
Some of those look pretty good, but I really can't stand the doughnut looking lips

>> No.4632781

>>4631554
t. doesn't know the first thing about shaders

>> No.4634480

>>4624921
Looks fine

>> No.4634893

>>4617033
I hate this so much. Nowadays
every fucking app or website has this shitty useless illustrations.

>> No.4634912

>>4620194
autism anon, autism.

>> No.4634916

>>4625997
>reddit spacing
>too retarded to read the title of the thread
kek

>> No.4635609
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4635609

Disgusting tumblr / SJW art style

They should just die

>> No.4635623
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4635623

Estrogen watercolor paintings

Sure, some of them looks good but I just hate how overly feminine it is. Even the idea of watercolor is feminine.

It's vague, sporadic and full of accidents: just like women.

>> No.4635636

>>4617600
Anon they speak like emotionally healthy people. Either you come from a dysfunctional family, you have autism, or you believe the unnecessary confrontational attitude on this site is normal.

>> No.4636091

>>4635609
To be fair, they've been moving away from the red noses after Toonhole started using them.

>> No.4636096

>>4631161
i actually love this

>> No.4636101

>>4631293
this chart honestly sucks, not only is the coloring job kinda bad for the individual panels even if they make them more readable for people not use to manga, but what was posted in late part 7 is a fan coloring so its not even consistent

>> No.4636226

>>4617902
Damn I know this is a hate thread but I love how the artist pulled off their own Leyendecker type style

>> No.4636255
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4636255

unknown reasons?, the komi-san art style, I just despise it

>> No.4636258

>>4630889
>Middle chick is missing a nose
>Bottom middle has puckered butthole lips

>> No.4636269

>>4635623
Based

>> No.4636299

>>4622349
>you realize a job that involves making art isn't meant to be nice or presentable

>> No.4636360

>>4635623
Holy fucking based. Most accurate description of that watercolor style I've ever seen .

>> No.4636367

>>4630889
I can't fucking stand prolapse lips. Irl or artwise

>> No.4636537

>>4636299
Not him but you're confusing concept art with general illustration. All concept art needs to do is show an idea or design effectively, it doesn't matter how polished or pretty it is.

>> No.4638693

>>4617206
Your average Malaysian, Thai, filipino, Indonesian Furry artist. It is epitomized by the most popular among them; silverfoz5213

>> No.4638705

>>4616879
what's wrong with it? too flat?

>> No.4638722

>>4631293
He peaked in late part 1 and early part 2.

>> No.4638729

>>4635623
I like watercolor but you hit the nail on the head.

>> No.4639361
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4639361

I fucking despise shonen manga in general but these drawings in particular disgust me like no other. Boy, i'm so glad no one gives a shit anymore so i don't have to worry about stumbling upon panels on my feed compared to a year and a half ago where tweens and weebs and normies and their grannies were treating this stupid manga like the biggest and greatest fucking thing to ever exist. It's so ugly.

>> No.4639674

>>4619914
>killing yourself with a Single Action Army
Incredibly classy I gotta say

>> No.4639680

>>4624093
Dude this is an “art styles you hate” thread

>> No.4640016

>>4622973
> Hates cis white males
> Likes jojo
At least keep it consistent

>> No.4640155

>>4621020
She looks like she had reconstructive surgery.

>> No.4640179

>>4616851
>gross social justice mixed race baby of asian man and green-haired black woman (with anglicized nose)
>I can't figure out why this gross shit is disgusting

>> No.4640183

>>4620535
>jewish art
>disgusting
it always is.

>> No.4641733

>>4640183
Crumb isn't jewish

>> No.4641977

>>4617206
It's the insincere smarminess of Disney except it's horny. It's exactly the same reason why anime is so disgusting, it's a by-the-numbers, plastic made, true and tested cute formula that was only bearable until people started making porn with it.

>> No.4642022

>>4619938
Holy shit anon I thought you were saying Blacksad’s art style sucked for a hot minute.

>> No.4642026

>>4623102
Calarts is such a joke. Imagine moving to California and getting debt for life so you can shoehorn a boring style in you’re brain to then work in a soulless corporate studio.

>> No.4642035

>>4635623
>tfw just wanted to get into watercolor pleinair painting
Which won’t get me ridiculed by other artist?

>> No.4642048

>>4631148
I don't actively like it, but it's such an innocent thing I associate it with kids' drawings. Maybe it's because of 90s nostalgia.
>>4620535
I love Crumb, he draws like he doesn't give a shit.
>>4622973
I don't like VuvziePop in general but I really like some of her decision making with lines and facial features, I think she deserves a place more than this >>4630889 >>4631272
the moeblob ones in this >>4619889
and this >>4623492 >>4623497 >>4623293
This could all be made by AI. There's absolutely no humanity in any of it even though it tries to represent human beings... I've seen more soul in a piece of pottery than all of these drawings combined.
>>4642035
You have to do very specific things to get that kind of art, don't worry anon

>> No.4642286

>>4619889
I honestly cannot understand why people dont like cute little cartoon girls
>but they figured out a mechanical forumla for making things cute so its bad!
Neoteny isnt some magic secret, no shit. If seeing cute things upsets you, you have problems. The kind of art that bothers ME is when people draw women ugly on purpose in an attempt to get away from idealized beauty. The average woman is, all things considered, kinda cute.

>> No.4642434
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4642434

Anything by this retard

>> No.4642487

>>4642048
>I love Crumb, he draws like he doesn't give a shit.
Then you don't know shit about Crumb. He very much gives a shit, he's about as autistic about it as you can get. I've seen people miss the plot with Crumb, because at the end of the day he's an extremely odd duck, but you really missed it.

>> No.4642498

>>4642487
What the hell? I didn't say that he draws like he doesn't like drawing. He's got a whole page saying that the best art is made by amateurs, he certainly doesn't care about the beaten path.

>> No.4642505

>>4642286
>why u no like pp big?
you're a disgrace

>> No.4642531

>>4642434
U mad cuz u can’t render as well as him

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>>4642531
Yeah I'm mad as fuck

>> No.4642554

>>4642505
That's not what Im saying and you're purposefully twisting it for dishonest, biased reasons. I'm saying it has objective artistic value from both a traditional and commercial standpoint.

>> No.4642582

>>4642554
>I'm saying it has objective artistic value from both a traditional and commercial standpoint.
>objective artistic value
>from a commercial standpoint.
Jesus Christ anon

>> No.4642603

>>4642548
Holy shit i remember this turbo autist, he caused some kind of drama in cuckbook

>> No.4642609

>>4639361
I still don't understand the hype for this shit, if it wasn't picked up by ufotable nobody would have given a shit about it

>> No.4642678

>>4642434
>>4642548
What the hell is even that?

>> No.4642685

>>4642548
lmfao I remember I was mutuals with randy and he soft blocked me and unfollowed me once I pointed out one of his spergy spazz out fb posts and comments hes talented but damn dude can't act professional at all

>> No.4642701

>>4639361
I don't get it what's wrong with pic related?

>> No.4642707

>>4642701
He doesn't like the style therefore it's bad.

I actually like the style but my problem is with the story and certain characters that don't stop yelling and being pathetic.

>> No.4642777

I hate most capeshit art. Everyone looks like they’re 50 years old even children and they all need chapstick.

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>> No.4642831

>>4631293
This is why I can't get into Jojos, mainly those gross lips on every single character

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4642838

In studying fashion design and I HATE this kind of art style. Even worse when the legs are like 6 heads and the torso is like 1 and a half max

>> No.4642884

>>4616851
why are you a racist?

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>> No.4642997

>>4642434
>>4642548
these look kinda nice

>> No.4643039

>>4642838
Anything trashy shitty auto airbrush I hate immediately

>> No.4643062

>>4618091
>I don't like the colors and shading of Zelda:BotW.

I don't get you man. I personally love it. Wish people could replicate it with SFM

>> No.4643127
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This shit. I see so many instagram feeds recommending to me and I swear its like 100 different artists doing the same exact thing.

1. find perfect photoshoped egirl to draw
2. give her 2019 anita battle angel eye+ mouth proportions
3. spend 10% of time on sketch, 90% on overrendering
4. excessive highlights, sparkles, blush, boost saturation, make everything look like its covered in cum
5. profit

10 out of 10 times the artist only draws the same subject matter (egirls) and cant draw anything else. Look at @bluesssatan on instagram- she has 1 million followers from doing the same high specularity blushy nose gimick over and over again.

>> No.4643445

>>4642838
looks like something made by those shitty roadside caricaturists

>> No.4646028

>>4624093
Do you actually hate this or are you lost?

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4647002

this>

>> No.4647022
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Zach Fischer
Got rejected by Blizzard and now spends all his time making cringy mashups

>> No.4647029

>>4643127
This makes me want to kill myself

>> No.4647226

>>4647002

3D Tumblr face

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4647810

>>4642809
Shit taste.

>> No.4647820

>>4643127
i wish this trend would just fucking die already
instagram is cancer

>> No.4647822

>>4647022
His proportions are weird. Like he's modelling all the characters after a stocky manlet.

>> No.4648350

>>4647810
I have never appreciated contour lines more

>> No.4649774

>>4631293
Brings me hope that people agree with me on this.

>> No.4650462

>>4630889
procreate users always the worst

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>> No.4650536

>>4643127
man ... I had this style in mind of something I really wanted to be able to do myself, and wasn't sure where I had actually seen the style first ... I feel pretty embarrassed to know where it comes from.

>> No.4650539

>>4650536
you can achieve this style by airbushing photoshopped photos and adding a shit ton of filters no need to actually draw

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hate this shit so much im seething

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4650557

>>4630889
That is the most disgusting fucking thing I have ever seen drawn, and I've seen shit by Shadman and ModeSeven

>> No.4650604

>>4617033
>"Big gay" art style

thank you, i've been trying to think of a proper term for this horror

>> No.4651007

>>4617033
It's called Alegria but I'll call it Big Gay from now on

>> No.4651165

>>4617033
It's like the way they see the world is disgusting and it reflects in the art they promote.

>> No.4651558

>>4650557
Lips make you mad?

>> No.4651630

>>4631242
I don't think you'd notice it if someone pointed it out to you. Even when knowing about it it looks good in context.

Art in general is more about making things look "right" than make them "realistic". Half of the stuff in this thread comes from people doing the second more than the first.

>> No.4651702
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4651702

>>4650540
His art looks so much better without that nasty orange/green filter on

>> No.4651709
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4651709

>>4616851

>> No.4651972

>>4651709
is this firez?

>> No.4651977

>>4651972
That’s kyle, only he can draw some lifeless plastic looking shit.

>> No.4651988

>>4651977
Stop projecting.

>> No.4651993

>>4651988
Cope more kyle dick rider

>> No.4652568
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4652568

>what if we revived 2D animation by uhhh pretty much just drawing characters that could be from any pixar movie, but in 2D
>animation community loses their mind for it
>it's also about christmas, which is one of the most trite subjects that can be used for any movie

>> No.4652572

>>4617033
>big gay art style

>> No.4652579

>>4622103
No

>> No.4652590

>>4642286
If you're a male over 11 and like cute stuff, I'm sorry.

>> No.4652595

>>4630889
>all girls should be drawn with lil squirrel animu mouths

>> No.4652602

>>4619882
>>4623015
Get better taste nigga

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I don't know if I'd say that it's specifically because of the art style but Kill Six Billion Demons is like if severe ADHD was a comic book and I can't stand the "HOLY FUCK BRO FIT AS MUCH AWESOME CONCEPT ART SHIT ON THE PAGE AS POSSIBLE BROOO WHAT'S PACING???" thing it's going for.

>> No.4652641
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4652641

>>4617033

>> No.4652664

>>4623492
>>4623293

I hate this style because it's clear these were made solely for "muh body diversity" meme. There's no inspiration or creativity put into them. They aren't caricatures or archetypes of people you can find in real life. They're just a jumble of random characteristics to check off boxes .

>> No.4652885

>>4626959
Thank you anon. Every time I see this anime pop up I am so disgusted. The art is so fucking hideous

>> No.4653118

>>4652568
>and they all make this face:

>> No.4653555

>>4652568
Not to mention they ruined their clean 2D look by using software-automated shading to make it look like 3D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlU49dJhfcw

>> No.4653566
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4653566

Plenty of shit ones mentioned already but I especially hate this reddit blob thing. Incredibly low-effort and unappealing crutch used when the artist just needs a quick template "funny comic" style. It's soulless, unimaginative and uninspired, and literally always goes together with a completely stagnant artist and utterly unfunny content.

>> No.4653571

>>4653566
Stonetoss is somehow even worse than the other 3

>> No.4653844

>>4619087
I am guilty of copying other IPs in character creators, mainly because the program is NEVER flexible enough to do anything actually unique, so going for something at least recognizable is the next best thing

>> No.4654130

>>4653555
Then they go on to say the use actual 3D in some places because it's too hard to anime with 2D. WTF.

>> No.4654144

>>4643127
Yes thank you holy shit. So tired of seeing this garbage everywhere.

>> No.4654278

>>4617033
>>4617015
>>4620550
>>4623102
>>4623492
I thought I was alone in hating this shit, thanks for speaking out

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4654642

>>4616851
The pseudo-anime tranny Twitter style. The way these fuckers draw lips, eyes and noses make my blood boil.

>> No.4654665

>>4647022
its no wonder he got rejected.

he couldn't even copy right lmao

>> No.4654670

>>4617004
you are rarded

>> No.4654873

>>4652568
>>4653555
>>4654130
Are you retarded? They repeated many times that their goal wasn't to "revive" 2d animation, which isn't even dead to begin with, but rather to evolve it. This movie innovated a shading style which allowed much more volumetric shading at a fraction of the time required for traditional shading methods, once the movie released they uploaded process videos to inspire other studios to further push the medium. While technology for 3d animation has been evolving exponentially over the years, 2d animation kind of stagnated, sticking to classic flat characters (with cell shading if you have the time/budget). Movies like Klaus, Promare or even Spiderverse (mostly 3d but a lot of 2d elements integrated into the rendering) show that it's possible to adapt 2d hand-drawn characters to new technologies. Who cares if the background elements and the sleds in Klaus were made in 3d? Or if the colors and shading were automatically generated by a program? It allows the animators to focus on the stuff they actually enjoy, by removing the tedious parts of the pipeline. If the 3d-integrated vehicles don't look wonky and barely even feel like 3d renders is there even a reason to complain?

>> No.4654899

>>4617600

They hate this guy because he's right. SU content not included, the art style is painful. I hate Steven most of all. The gems are okay, but they're all kind of this blocky same boring style, so it's not really that great either

>> No.4655068

>>4652568
>Im going to make assumptions about something and the get mad when they don't match the actual work.
Amazing

>> No.4655090

>>4619081
we need to go back

>>4623285
i hate these artists because they do have talent but they choose to draw... this

>> No.4655098

>>4617015
>fat twitter

>> No.4655104

>>4617206
This so much. I don;t mind furshit but my god I hate this style so much.

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>> No.4655134

>>4624205
So just a normal weeb, ok.

>> No.4655137

>>4624921
Are you fucking blind? Coward.

>> No.4655141

>>4635609
Dude chill

>> No.4655143

>>4639361
I prefer shonen anime styles over generic moeblobs honestly.

>> No.4655145
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4655145

everything on artstation. it is all traced, photobashed, and filtered to death. there is no value in anything posted their. it isnt even comparable to pixiv. i actually think i like deviantart more, because at least they arent money hungry jews.

>> No.4655148

>>4655145
Agreed

>> No.4655150
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4655150

>>4655145
there*****
i hate the landscape art especially

>> No.4655525

>>4653571
He clearly knows how to draw but simplifies it and if you can't see it you're ngmi

>> No.4655579

>>4655525
Got any proof he knows how to draw?

>> No.4655586

>>4655579
No he doesn’t. He’s just and edgy fuck who likes stonetoss because “hurr durr based”. Stonetoss can’t draw and anyone who’s ever held a pen in their lives can see it. Point in case, he’s been drawing his crappy “comics” for literal years now, and he hasn’t improved one bit and he still struggles drawing hands

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4655595

can’t pinpoint what the style is called but it’s like a pencil sketch usually used for feminist art

>> No.4655600
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4655600

>>4655595
another example i found

>> No.4655607

>>4655586
Figured as much.

>> No.4655635

Anime shit.

Unless you can make a whole manga I don't give a shit.

Drawing one Anime girl on her own is not an achievement...

That's why I hate Amawus because they can't even draw a whole manga but talk shit on everyone else.

>> No.4655636

>>4655595
Oh it's that hipster style. I don't know the name for it either but it's disgusting

>> No.4656104
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Whatever the blizzard artstyle is called.

>> No.4656110

>>4619087
Never expected to see papa morty on /ic/, I’m painting him up right now actually

>> No.4656139

>>4656104
PauldronMaxxing

>> No.4656453

>>4617015
It's that smirk, that stupid, self satisfied smirk. It should be used sparingly. If every character has it, it just makes me hate all of them. There was a girl in my class in college who drew like this, and I wanted to slap her characters. Her too, because she was that personality type that was know it all smug. only she shouldn't have been, because she drew like that.

>> No.4656477

>>4652612
There are many things wrong with KSBD but the design and style of it is actually memorable unlike 99% concept art shit, it was proudly over the top and actually pulled it off without being lame, and it brought a breath of fresh air in the webcomic world. At least until it got tired of itself and SJWs got a hold of it.

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>>4631467
>>4631322
Damn, thought I was alone on this one

>> No.4656554

>>4624928
>the noses are consistently gigantic
Be real with me. guys.
Is there something like a big nose fetish or trend? Like what the hell is even going on.

>> No.4656637

>>4626954
Pic source?

>> No.4656641

>>4631130
>it's the attention-hungry personality of the artist
Sounds juicy. Any stories at hand?

>> No.4656647

>>4635609
Please don't tell me that THIS is supposed to be Luffy

>> No.4656654

>>4626389
what is "isekai style"? I'm so confused.

>> No.4656734

>>4631130
The insane attentionwhoring and gimmick meme personality is especially grating when his art hasn't improved one bit since he started, and that he only every draws the same fucking character over and over again. Though I guess he found the best way to milk money out of retarded redditors.

>> No.4656943

>>4656104
There isn't one thing that is done better in the bottom image. Loses in every category, that's kind of impressive.

>> No.4657032

>>4631293
I can respect disliking the style but I do like it a lot. 3 and early 4 less, but still.

>> No.4657046

>>4647822
The guy in the middle really looks like he's about 150cm tall

>> No.4657092
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4657092

This shit. This ugly fuckin Twitter/patreon porn style where the tits are often misplaced, deformed, lumpy or saggy with giant areolas. Bodies are long and lumpy hips are usually a fucking mess. There’s no sense of proportion. Things are monstrously sized. Everything looks wet. Characters are usually posed in twisted, crumpled up poses. Pic related isn’t exactly what I’m talking about but the one fact thing actually makes me feel sick when I see it so I grabbed the first example I could find. Porn should look appealing but the way these people draw bodies makes me think they don’t even want a human being as much as a sack of potatoes.

>> No.4657101

>>4656104
Just the way they did those skies really says a lot.

>> No.4658383

>>4635609
look how they masssacred my boy

>> No.4658616

>>4617206
its because this looks pretty close to an actual furrsuit

>> No.4658622

>>4617600
steven universe character designs are lame, and the gem characters look like identity politics incarnate

>> No.4658645

>>4624921
i dont get it, why are furry artists making the furr shine like oiled skin? why are these retards so inconsistent?

>> No.4658652

>>4626959
all the characters in this anime look like they have down syndrome, the faces look straight out of a cheap how to draw manga book.

>> No.4658684

>>4654642
you know what pisses me off more? using that brush to write, having the random shit splashes everywhere, fuck off with that abomination