/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4615111
YOU GET QUALITY FASTER THROUGH MILEAGE AND LEARNING
AND NO IT'S NOT HAPPENING IN A SNAP. IT TAKES MANY YEARS OF PRACTICE

>>4615116
>MILEAGE AND LEARNING
Sure man, I realize that drawing a lot is a huge factor here.
I'm asking about the >LEARNING part. What do you think they've studied?

>talent is just a me-

>>4615116
>>4615124
I mean, everyone knows you can draw a lot without improving at all. I'm asking about those other factors.

>>4615111
same way plein artists paint their stuff in half an hour outside, know your forms and your palette

>>4615111
Hard round and selection tool

>>4615124
>>4615129
THEY STUDIED HOW TO DRAW IT'S NOT A SECRET
LEARN FROM REAL LIFE AND STYLIZE IT AS YOU GO. LEARN TRICKS AND TECHNIQUES FROM OTHER ARTISTS WHO SHARE SUCH INFORMATION
HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN DRAWING?

>Color over a sketch (no refining, no lineart) with reduced opacity brush
>build top of it until satisfied

Do this (like artists in OP did) hundreds of times until you can do it efficiently

>>4615142
Long enough to know talent is real

>>4615142
>LEARN TRICKS AND TECHNIQUES FROM OTHER ARTISTS WHO SHARE SUCH INFORMATION
OK, BUT WHICH TRICKS AND TECHNIQUES EXACTLY?!
>HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN DRAWING?
PRETTY LONG, BUT WHAT DOES IT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING?
PIC RELATED, MY WORK

>>4615148
Consider suicide.

>>4615150
Ngmi

>>4615152
>someone who looks for recommendations for learning materials is ngmi
I'm not sure do you know what does ngmi mean.

>>4615150
BECOMING GOOD IS NOT A LINEAR PATH
YOU'RE ON THE INTERNET IN 2030 WITH ENDLESS MATERIALS TO LOOK THROUGH AND FIND SOMETHING THAT YOU ENJOY UNLESS YOU'RE A RETARD WHO HATES TRYING. I BET YOU'RE NOT EVEN DRAWING WHILE I'VE BEEN DRAWING. I FINISHED 2 COMMISSIONS TODAY AND I'M STARTING A NEW DRAWING BECAUSE I LOVE DRAWING.

>>4615166
Somehow I get a feeling that you're more interested in insulting others than actually sharing any tips or recommendations. Sad.

>>4615173
Yes those nip sekrrts will totally help you get good. Im 100% sure!

>>4615173
AND I GET THE FEELING THAT YOU'RE DESPERATE TO FIND AN EASY WAY.
SADDER. BYE.

Who cares about drawing fast
Do all the stuff /beg/s say like use reference undo and erase every 2 seconds when you make a mistake
Use your wrist to make bad lines and just edit it with a eraser and make it seem like you made it with one stroke
Just make it looooook good
Who cares it takes 4 hours to finish a sketch
At it end it loooooookssss good

>>4615126
this
take the talent pill

>>4615150
IT'S THE SAME PAINTING 3 YEARS AGO DON'T YOU HAVE ANYTHING NEW TO SHOW?

>>4615116
>>4615142
>>4615166
>>4615177
>hurr durr just work harder!
God, what a retard.

>>4615227
Is this true? Kek if so

>>4615227
I do, but you haven't answered my question what does my art experience have to do with anything, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>4615135
Cool idea, thanks!

WHILE THERE IS AN ABUNDANCE OF PEOPLE ONLINE WANTING TO BE SPOONFEED I PERSONALLY THINK THAT THE AMOUNT OF INFORMATION AVAILABLE MIGHT LEAD TO ANALYSIS PARALYSIS IN A LOT OF SITUATIONS WHERE ONE IS NOT WILLING TO COMMIT TO ONE SINGLE SOURCE DUE TO FEAR OF MISSING OUT, AS SUCH, I AM ALSO INTERESTED IN THE QUESTION OF THE OP AS I WOULD LIKE SOMEONE THAT CAN TESTIFY FOR THE EFFECTIVENESS OF A SPECIFIC METHOD OR SOURCE OF INFO

WHY ARE WE SHOUTING

>>4615261
I DONT KNOW I AM SORRY FOR DOING IT I HOPE I DIDNT HURT YOUR FEELINGS AND THAT THE QUESTION IN THE OP IS ANSWERED IN A TIMELY MANER

>>4615261
BECAUSE OP IS A FAGGOT THAT WANT TO SKIP THE LEARNING AND GRINDING AND ONLY WANTS TO IMPROVE WITH ANCIENT JAPANESE SECRET TECHNIQUES

>>4615111
Maybe try asking them.

>>4615266
Jesus, you're one toxic mother fucker or just honestly braindead if you think that everyone who asks for recommendations for learning materials is a lazy bum.

>>4615266
>>4615129

>>4615260
Sucks to be them right?

>>4615166
Post your work.

>>4615111

OP absolutely BTFO

>>4615111
I'm not trying to shit on this artist but this face is just too funny, and it gets funnier the longer I look at it

>>4615111
Is there video of them doing this?

>>4615310
Unfortunately no.

>>4615294
looks like splatoon inkling face without the black eye mask

>>4615365
lel

Do you think doing that exercise where you set a time limit for yourself to complete a drawing or certain phase of drawing something actually helps build speed? Do you think it has a real danger of ingraining bad habits into the way you draw?

>>4615111
>Redraw and recolor the exact same picture over and over for weeks.
>Burn every pixel into your brain
>OMG 30 MINUTES AMARITE

>>4615116
It doesn't. It's biological.

>>4615691
Perhaps I should clarify: they got their prompt ("goth priest/nun") right before they started drawing. They couldn't prepare the way you're suggesting.

>>4615206
>Who cares about drawing fast
Those who have bills to pay do, dumb dumb. It's one of the most useful qualities to have when doing commissions.

>>4615116
It doesn't. It's biological.
>>4615129
Biological
>>4615142
Still biological
>>4615166
Anon posting in all caps from the future, kek.

>>4615177
>Says "BYE"
>Stays in the thread
god I hate Asians.

>>4615704
drunning kruger, cuck, or both?

>>4615704
>worrying about factors you have no control over
NGMI

>>4615111
so did you actually see their process unedited

>>4615759
No. I don't think there was one, but if there is, then post it.
Unless you're implying that it took them more time. It was a challenge on discord and I probably could make screenshots showing that they posted their art 30 minutes after getting their prompts, but I'd rather spend that time drawing.

>>4615764
You know you could just talk to artists on Discord/twitter and ask them how they did that yourself.

>>4615764
>then post it.
fuck off, you're the one implying their process is something special without knowing if they just continued drawing on top of an already existing drawing

>>4615124
Genetics

>>4615111
Practice for 6+ years and you'll get there

>>4615776
...but I KNOW they didn't continue to draw like that.

>>4615775
Sure man, I'll do that later. I just thought I'd get some opinions from others in the meantime. I hoped this kind of skill was more common here and that I could get some pointers. Or that others would also be interested in figuring out what their workflow looked like instead of just screaming "just draw more".

>>4615807
You should draw more if this is the only thing you've made in the past few years >>4615150

>>4615698
>They couldn't prepare the way you're suggesting.
They redraw the poses, nibba. They've got those generic stances memorized from years of drawing it over and over, it's just a matter of mix and match with the theme.

>>4615116
Except that's not how it works in other fields. Sure you get faster if you get better, but a lot of the time it's a bunch of speedjumps you gain by learning tricks and better workflows.
The best way to become faster is having a mentor.

>>4615834
I've already said it's not the only thing. Look, if you're not interested in this thread could you go shitpost somewhere else?

>>4615850
Even with memorised poses they still did a lot of rendering very quickly.

>>4615866
I mean it's clear you're only here to shitpost too.
Besides, if you've drawn more I'm sure you would be able to post something more than the same picture you post every single time.

>>4615124
Thwy just learned basic construction then basic figure drawing then rendering. Just select a techer thet you like ( hampton villppu, weston, loomis, watts, whtever) then after you got the basics just do a lot of figures, you will get better and faster. After that you get to the rendering where you do the same, get some courses, study some drawings, break down artists that you like, look at their workflows, when you can achieve that quality even in 4-8 hours, you just do it long enough and you get faster.

>>4615260
This is actually true and there's papers published on this

30 minutes? lol
try 20 minutes, with obligatory themes, in front of a crowd, while competing with someone else for better drawing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOMmgeuJX1A

>>4616162
Damn, that's so awesome. Thanks Anon!

>>4615111

>>4615111
I do kind of fast renders, maybe not as fast as 30 min but the key is to start with an already finished picture in your head and knowing how to get there with your tools. You have an idea where to place paint, where and what type of edges you're placing, etc. Also be open to adjust when you have to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6mjYW6XMuM

>>4615111
Second artist was my roommate, so I can give you some info on her process. She's really, really good at dynamic gesture and stays really rough. Because the poses are so much fun to look at it's easy to miss shortcuts or problems as a viewer at first glance. She draws small to kinda feel the form and then works in colour on top usually. The rendering on both isn't something unachievable, basic differing opacity brustrokes with some basic shadow blocking and you're good to go. Both artists are really solid at doing quick gestures and are fairly stylised so this is pretty doable with some practice in. It's mostly about nailing the gesture and knowing some basic colour theory.

>>4616582
based kaz

>>4615111
artist who drew the right one?

>>4615111

>>4617026
Kringlefk from the dad threads

>>4616162
daamn
I couldn't imagine entering in something like this, I would just completely crumble on stage not being able to come up with any ideas or compositions
Unless they give the artists time to brainstorm before actually starting to draw? Is that a thing?

>>4617213
They get the theme right before starting.

>>4616162
God the fact that I now know people do this simultaneously crushes my confidence and supercharges my motivation.

>>4616162
Holy shit, this is so cool. Man I would LOVE to compete in a contest like this, that looks like so much fun.

>>4615166
could you please keep it down? your making my head hurt trying to read in your voice

>>4615229
he's 100% right though.

>>4615111
>left
good understanding of anatomy and what makes anatomy look good, huge head but I'll give it a pass because the proportions are alright
>right
sweet baby jesus what the fuck did you create

Fastest painting artist I've ever seen was a kid who didn't lay down line or skeletal wire framings, he just traced the outline posture of whatever character he was painting....with paint (no sketching prior), then he worked the shadows in, threw color in, highlights, and somehow managed to build the surrounding background at the same time and end up making it look good.

It was like watching a complete spaz throw paint on a canvas with wild gestures for the first 5 minutes, but by the 10 minute mark you couldn't look away, 30 minutes later he'd be out back having a cigarette after completing his task while the rest of us were looking at a relative masterpiece. Really fast kid. Weird as fuck. We heard he OD'd a couple years later.

>>4617809
why didn't you save him

>>4617825
Less competition

>>4617774
No Anon. Comic book artists draw a shitton and yet usually they don't improve at all. Working a lot is important, but it isn't the answer.