/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Fundamentals + experience + practice + style

>>4588501
>Fundamentals
Yep, just keep drawing those floating Loomis heads, they'll definitely help you draw like this.

>>4588505
>fundies = muh floatin lermis heads
Certified NGMI

>>4588494
Talent.

>>4588505
Lmaooo u mean..
Form and construction
Values and perspective
Linework and strokes
Color theory and lighting
Anatomy and proportion
Feeling the form
Etc etc etc

Dont do this, u gonna make it, it will b hard

>>4588505
NGMI keep copying anime girls

>>4588494
most of this was done from memorized elements with some light form/texture/perspective practice laid on top. Odds are this is one of the three things this guy knows how to draw

Who is the artist?

>>4588494
i wanna know wh at kinda pencil they using, that shading is so soft and even, like it just glides all over the paper...

why do all my pencils just fucking scratch into the paper till it looks like a rusty mass of pissed on paper maché

>>4588548
Maybe is also the paper, your paper may be shit, I have noticed that the biggest difference is made by the paper quality, pencils have a marginal effect.

>>4588548
What kind of paper are you using?

>>4588533
The cope to end all copes

>>4588533

>>4588533
We are reaching levels of crabbing that shouldn't be possible

>>4588533
And presumably KJG has memorised every form in existence at every angle?

>>4588533
This. You can't know what you don't know.

>>4588505
ngmi

>>4588537
https://www.instagram.com/villarrte/

>>4588548
yeah sure its the pencil and the papers thats doing the work


ngmi

>>4588596
Please shut up, I know you are most certainly shitposting but please, stop.

>>4588533
>>4588596
you're sad


look at >>4588614 he can draw anything

>>4588621
Don't feed the retards with (you)s

>>4588555
this, i guess he’s technically correct in that the guy primarily knows how to draw humans, animals and monsters, which are 3 broad things. as if that’s somehow a bad thing. most people here can’t even draw the one thing they want to draw which are cringe anime girls that suck shit.

>>4588505
ngmi

>>4588505
In fact, yes, they will

>>4588621
you're all ngmi if you honestly think this guy knows what he's doing. He's a trash tier illustrator

>>4588650
How is it even humanly possible to cope this hard?

>>4588505
>>4588533
>>4588596
>>4588650
these are the people criticizing your work on /beg/

>>4588505
ngmi

>>4588650
0/10 bait, now gas yourself

>>4588655
>>4588658
his forms are shit, his shapes are shit, his compositions are shit, he's a one trick pony when it comes to texture of what he's drawing, and his subject matter is trite. He's just another crappy Instagram "artist". I pray for the day we make fun of art like OP instead of praising it. This should be the most elite art forum on the internet instead you have people drooling over sub-par commercial illustration. Tell me more about "the industry" and "art gods", please, I dearly want to know

>>4588671
Post your work

>>4588671
seriously I know you won’t post your own shitty work but at least post what you think is “good” so I can validate my decision to disregard your opinion

>>4588676

>>4588671
>the most elite art forum on the internet
#topkek

>>4588685

>>4588695
/Beg/ tier soulless trash

>>4588697
the absolute state of this board

>>4588689
I like the on in the OP better, sorry

>>4588700
begone cumfart

Purge the whole thread

>>4588689
I get it. You can paint. Looks good. Cool man.

But OP >>4588494
just shows off way more fundamentals. You can tell this artist is 100 times better than you even without taking it to paint. Yours just looks like highschool art study time. Keep at it tho and humble yourself.

>>4588505

This. Just trace, no one cares about the process.

>>4588494
I like the hand and the body.
I dont like the skull and the top of the skull, whatever it is, it lacks story and design...
If you can redraw the head add in some elements of archetype story/design/ etc, this image will come into life.

>soul
>story

>>4588819
elaborate on what you mean by story and design.

>>4588845
Gary Villarreal

Story usually is part of an archetype story.
Depending on what you want the audience to see and know.
For example, David and Goliath is a reoccurring theme in Hollywood where the lesser hero somehow goes on a hard earn fight against something impossible and winning in the end.

Understanding that, you incorporate your archetype into your art.

>>4588819
its clearly mechanical and that is an archetype of sci fi and there is clearly a story there

>>4588854
>Tell me what the story is for you
Because as an artist, I don't see it.

What is the story?

>>4588863
well since its mechanical it has to be designed by something and since its on the head and spine it could be being controlled by something else, there is so much you can derive from it.

>>4588872
>Vague
Okay

>>4588689
Ah yes, I too like to apply filters to photos and add some scribbles on top

>>4588877
an archetype is vague in and of itself and that was your requirement. The beast on strings being puppeted is an archetypal villain.

>>4588689
>I'm so insecure i post other peoples work
pussy

>>4588882
I drew that entirely by freehand with no color picking

>>4588890
it's my work, cope harder

>>4588888
archetype is not vAgUe.

I literally gave you an example.
Read.

>For example, David and Goliath is a reoccurring theme in Hollywood where the lesser hero somehow goes on a hard earn fight against something impossible and winning in the end.

Understanding that, you incorporate your archetype into your art.

>>4588904
>the lesser hero somehow goes on a hard earn fight against something impossible and winning in the end.


Vague, okay

>>4588852
okay, I was more asking you to explain why you felt that a sketch of some kind of monster needed to display some kind of story and also what exactly you believe could or should be told through such an image. If the character isn't connected to some larger piece of work there is only so much that could be shown. Especially when it's just a sketch of a single creature with minimal background present.
Just looking at it one could already infer a story of their own. The framework is there.
Maybe you would like something like broken chains attached to the head that would suggest that this thing broke free from somewhere. I think I understand what you mean, but I just don't see the point for such a sketch as this.

>>4588918
see how Gary improved in 90 weeks.

Picture done by the same guy.

>>4588920
where is the story and archetype?

>>4588913
It is not vague.
Here is an example.

>>4588505
not only are you stupid, but you are also wrong

>>4588930
are those people named david and goliath?

Okay crabs and salty fags, I didn’t ask you how he made it or how you feel about it, I asked

HOW does he draw like this? What core skills are driving this? How would you start a drawing like this? Are there any resources to learn this skill?

>>4588519
>>4588501
>>4588548
>>4588552

These are the only relevant comments in the thread

>>4588924
Maybe because you are not educated in arts.
What you see is a mother figure, nurturing 2 human creature. 1 male, 1 female, while the mother figure is drawing. With a 3rd eye, to suggesting something about the future. The future of the male and female perhaps.

You guys need to study art.

>>4588689
http://brianvcomforti.com/
so you are this man?

>>4588934
Gary's releasing a book through kickstarter that is said to have some tutorials in it. Pray that someone scans it.

>>4588941
Nice, thanks for the heads up anon

>>4588939
yes he for sure is, you must be new. cumfarti has been shitting up this board for a while

>>4588938
I don't see how that counts as not being vague but a creature being controlled some how isn't an archetype when that is a motif in stories that has been repeated before technology.

You basically just did to that image what I did to the previous image. I don't doubt the source you are citing and I understood it right away, but I doubt you and your understanding of it

>>4588689
Brian, your brushwork makes me feel ill
Good values though

>>4588924
it looks cool.

>>4588951
he should've made his name not visible because the other work on his website that isnt a photocopy is /beg/ tier

>>4588938
Shut up fag, I know you need to justify reading all those pretentious books or going to some aids university but the rest of humanity just doesn’t give a shit about your wanky inbred artistic visual language

>>4588952
The skull creature lacks archetype compare to the mother figure. I stand by what I said. Gary improved a lot.

>>4588960
>mad
Lmao u dim

>>4588963
again the creature being controlled is an archetype as that is a motif that has been repeated in stories (familiars, jinn, etc), that is the definition of an archetype. You stand by what you said and you are still wrong. He improved a lot but not by your primitive understanding of this subject.

>>4588975
i dont think it is a jinn. in fact Gary too have nothing to say about the skull creature. Go to his art profile and take a look.

why u niggas obsessing over random bullshit like archetypes when it isnt gonna improve your art

>>4588990
It is going to improve you art if you understand story telling, studying archetype is very important in art.

>>4588981
right and these characters >>4588930
aren't david and goliath

>>4588968
>dim
Lmao you pretentious

HOW DID HE DRAW IT

>>4589038
you can tell with all those cross contour shading that he really truly felt those forms

>>4588934
>HOW does he draw like this?
I mean, I'm not saying anything new, but it really all boils down to understanding form and perspective.
Look at the thumb on the far hand, he's got all those strokes going across it. The more accurately you represent the shape of the thumb - which isn't round, it's a thumb, the better it will look. You do the same with light and dark. Gesture is just design and observation, it's all really simple shit, and you make your job easier with reference.
When you understand the volumes and anatomy involved better you also learn how to simplify complex things into more abstract shapes so you get more harmony. The brain doesn't see things literally, part of the artist's job is to create a shorthand for things that the brain recognizes, but only if you have a lot of information to work with you can simplify it well, e.g. drawing foliage with broad brushstrokes, you need to know the light and shapes. You are communicating with someone else from inside their own brain using their own visual library, that's why if you fuck up the bones on a hand people notice easily.

>>4588689
this is some elaborate troll right?

Who did it better?

>>4589038
>HOW
use your eyes. the main thing here is cross contour lines

>>4588671
>>4588689

I was about to say I liked this guy before seeing that he calls these "sketches", thus revealing he's a complete fucking phony. Why do these people have to lie? It's not a sketch, you didn't shit this out without reference in 20 minutes, it's good, why lie?

>>4589104
one punch

I'm better than the OP image on my worst day

>>4589131
a sketch is just an unfinished drawing, and most of these have a basic outline for a background so they do look unfinished. If he had said thumbnails I would have agreed with you.

>>4589133
You're a funny individual I think

>>4589133
Begone cumfarti you delusional attention whore

just imagine all the secret guro rape porn this guy's drawn

>>4589133
This is why modern art thrives. You cant compete with the alphas so you go full fox and grapes and all agree to pretend shit is good.

Like a fat woman who pretends blubber is beautiful because she lacks the discipline to lose weight.

>>4588689
>he’s just another crappy instagram artist
>is just another shitty generic artstation tracer /beg/
why are you shitting on OP anyway, he could teach you something about forms and shape (something you lack)

If you really want to learn how to draw like Gary... just copy his work. Figure it out yourself.

From what I see, it is contour line + form + grey scale

All you need to do to get thi good is draw (10 years atleast). There is no other way.

>>4588494
talent

>>4589232
>This person thinks is better than the OP
Oh kid....

>>4589326
I am by about 10,000 years. You guys are just too NGMI to enjoy anything other than concept art

>>4588505
>just keep drawing those floating Loomis heads, they'll definitely help you draw like this.

>>4589038
By drawing it.

>>4589133
>>4589328
Do a thread of ur work? Its interesting

100+ replies and none of you faggots even post the proper term for this style
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatching

>>4589328
Based

>>4589417
Hatching isn’t a style it’s a technique, and this artist isn’t even doing it right. This artist desperately needs to learn about negative space, he’s using hatching to make values instead of just using it to describe form, that’s why all his drawings seem to have the same texture. Proper cross hatching is much more informative about the surface it’s describing, and also much more labor intensive than what this guy is doing. See any drawing by Albrecht Durer

>>4589426
it looks like he’s using a lot of overlapping hatching that gives it its texture. I personally like it but to each his own

>>4589194
Hopefully that means crabs will also die off before they turn 30.

>>4589426
That's because it's not hatching, you dumb shitposter. It's topographic volume.

>>4589194
>You cant compete with the alphas so you go full fox and grapes and all agree to pretend shit is good.
I'm the alpha, you're the idiot pretending OP is good. How best can I explain this to you other than posting more paintings that you're too dumb to understand? How can I get this through to all of your non-artist brains?

>>4589471
>It's topographic volume.
sounds like a fancy word for hatching. I'll put "topographic volume" right up there with "rendering" as art terms /ic/ makes up to sound smart

>>4589133
>>4589328
>>4589404
Samefag

>>4589417
>>4589426

>100+ replies and none of you faggots even post the proper term for this style

>Hatching isn’t a style it’s a technique, and this artist isn’t even doing it right.


its almost kind of adorable, we need to protect ic

>>4589476
ic didn't make up rendering lol

>>4589474
Fucking Poe's Law, can't tell if it's bait or actually delusional autist

>>4589557
Tell me how his art is better than mine other than le epic high school concept art that you relate to as a brainlet

>>4589571
His art looks great and skillful, and your "art" is an ugly low effort trash. You can cope with "y-you are just philistines snd don't get it" but it's actually really simple, if it looks like shit, then it's shit.

>>4589592
Brainlet cope. Imagine finding a painting of a woman sitting down offensive to your sensibilities. You've been doing too much cooming and vidya.

>>4589605
there is nothing offensive about your art, there is actually nothing about your art

>>4589592
>His art looks great and skillful
to what end? it's just more "concept art" brainlet shit. Your bottomless pit of a mind probably thinks Sargent is the peak of fine arts

>>4589618
yes keep writing supplemental essays for your paintings while real artist make art that speaks for itself

>>4589638
I haven't even said anything yet lol. I just like posting my art here cause it's so inoffensive, but then everyone goes full "I'm pretending to be retarded" about everything I ever say. You're all fucking morons XD

>>4589657
>I haven't even said anything yet lol.

lets keep it that way

>>4588689

Unrelated to the discussion but I did a study of the same picture a while ago. Here's my version. Another media though, toned paper.

>>4589666
Better than his by a longshot.

>>4588932
>provides no argument, but believes in anecdotal evidence
Based brainlet

>>4589657
>everyone goes full "I'm pretending to be retarded"
Except that's exactly what you did when you posted your sub-/beg/ doodles claiming they're better than the actual art.

>>4588904
>reads le jung pseudoscience once
You think that you are different but you are not. Stealing the ideas from others just portrays your inferior intellect

>>4589618
Fuck dude, your arguing really shows that some people hit a intellectual wall without even realizing it. IQ is very real

>>4589476
Topographic volume mapping is drawing a net around the figure to depict volume while working with clean lines and it's mostly used in architecture and map making.

Your ignorance is your problem.

>>4589678
>he doesn't respect archetypal thought as the historical meta narrative of the human condition
ngmi

>>4589666
Low quality bait, I don’t work for free. And it’s shit nice meme hatching go back to instagram

>>4589721
what's the bait? I was just posting my version of the same picture

>>4589705
I do but its so engraved in the human subconscious there is no point in having to actively think about it. every idea we come up with will naturally conjure some deep seeded human experience because we are all the same.

>>4589753
>don't actively think
That is literally what artist do when they draw. They think.
>how to solve this problem
>how to create lines that is aesthetic
>what colors to use to reach excellence
>what am I doing wrong
>how to improve my art

You choose to argue.
I chosen to draw.

>>4589721
>And it’s shit nice meme hatching go back to instagram
Huh didn't know that Leyendecker was an instagram artist. Good to know, anontard

>>4590199
Unbelievably based and drawpilled. GMI.

>>4590199
Actually useful contribution to the thread, thank you.

>>4588995
>studying archetype is very important in art
i assume you have the original work from imagination to prove it?

>>4589104
countour lines nigga

>>4589672
fundamentals arent floating loomis heads, your lack of knowledge on how to study and apply it isnt my fault

>>4590199
you've got a real nice start, i feel you gotta layer your values now by slowly building up more information of the forms

>>4589104
I think they’re both equally good

>>4588958
He’s here all the time. He doesn’t hide his name. You new here?

>>4590231
It's a quick sketch, I'm not doing a full piece. Also lazy hehe

>>4589328
>banana fingers
lol

>>4590196
No one said artists don't think, if you are going to strawman like an idiot no one is going to take you seriously. If you want to babble on about a subject you find interesting and important maybe try some tact and humility other wise it just seems like you are trying to stroke your ego

>>4589038
>>4589046
>>4588494
He's basically doing zbrush on paper.

>>4589104
Honestly I don't like either one.

>>4590199
How long did that take?

>>4590352
Yea he's feeling the form

>>4588494
high-functioning autism

>>4588671
>the most elite art forum on the internet

>>4590356
Took me about 45mins

>>4590703
I can't tell if that's slow or fast.

>>4588505
behold
The average/asg/ user

>>4590707
Most of the time spent is on contour lines and forms. Because I already had a reference and all I had to do is redesign the head and back.

>>4588671
>most elite art forum on the internet
how old are you

>>4589144
These are not unfinished drawings, they're finished, polished pencil drawings that are made to look loose. There's too much decision making involved in a piece like that to be a "sketch".
I don't believe that all of a sudden we went from the greatest masters' level to art geniuses round every corner who "sketch" like this. If you give me a video where he shits this out, I won't believe it. He's got to be copying a finished piece he made beforehand.
Sadly the internet has made everything even more dishonest than it used to be, and this disingenuous shit makes me question the skill of the artist itself which is pretty much the only point in this guy's art. At least he doesn't call them doodles.

>>4590853
They are called satisfied sketch.

Satisfied because the artist feel it is good enough.
There are sketches that are so incomplete that most artist don't show. But /dad/ and /beg/ does it on daily basis. lol

>>4589104
Visual clarity through atmospheric perspective is much nicer on the graphite one but murata is limited by his media - his stuff is (quickly) created to be printed in newspapers, so it can’t be a soft and delicate sketch laboured over for hours/days

>>4590853
Yes, this anon understands
You can only “shit out” finished work like this if your brain is familiar with the subject already.

Kim Jung ji has studied anatomy (animal and human), clothing and weaponry and life draws obsessively so he is very able and comfortable with shitting out a blend of those complex forms. Same for Takehiko Inoue with his complex Asian chads and samurai accessories, he can just summon the forms from his mind, but only because these people have drawn them EXTENSIVELY (way more than you’d think). Usually since they were kids too. Drawing such complex forms as a human skeleton or expressive face at an angle is ingrained and practically intuitive at this point, so they have control and mastery over it, but if you asked them to draw something outside of their usual stock it would require a similar amount of planning and thought as a less experienced artist drawing an Inoue samurai or a Gi 3 point figure.


Mileage wins again

First attempt.

>>4588510
>>4588519
>>4588522
>>4588610
>>4588645
>>4588648
>>4588660
>>4589332
>>4590709
Y'all can post your work any time now L. O. L.

>>4588671

Begone Cumfarti

>>4591042
Looks racist

>>4588689
Soulless

>>4589666
Soul

>>4588689
Your brushwork man... wtf. I don't get it, the camel sitting right by has kinda harmonious brushwork. But this one is physically hard to look at, shame.

Also i don't understand how you get from an almost 1/1 color study to barely coherent scribbles.

>>4591035
You didn't understand what I said but OK.

>>4590932
>Satisfied because the artist feel it is good enough.
Well I'll just call my 2000 hour mural an extended doodle then. It's a doodle, I just worked a little bit more on it.

>>4589705
>archetypal thought
Whats the difference between an archetype and a stereotype? I don't like making little boxes and forcing subjects into them. Every human on earth has internalized the "archetypal themes." They are core human aspect but vary between people. Actively trying to force fit categories like you do ends up with the mess we call current "art"

>>4591163
Do you it took Michelangelo 4 years to paint the Sistine chapter?

Do you know Mona Lisa was painted three times over?

You might think spending a few years on a canvas/digital canvas is weird, but that is normal for many artists throughout history.

I wont be surprised if artists of today, did a 2,000 hour digital painting or mural.

>>4591180
>2000 hours polished turd
I want to see something like that

>>4591180
...Are you trying to prove me right?

>>4590199

What the fuck is everyone even arguing about? I'm not a drawfag and to me the thread reads like the inane ramblings of a mewling lunatic. If it weren't for multiple people arguing like they understand eachother, I'd think it's all just a literal schizo getting angry over unimportant things that doesn't even exist.

>>4589328
begone cumfarti

>>4588494
A morbid imagination like the anon collective is all you will ever need for those ideas

>>4591184
Only took the artist 3 years to paint :)

>>4588494
>>4588934
Just look at the picture he shows exactly what he is doing.

>guy calls his pencil drawings sketches

>ic spergs out over words and definitions

Like clockwork

>>4591658
yes, because it's annoying.

>>4588941
why praying when you just can you know buy it ?

>try the scyra method
>quit half way through after seeing how bad its coming out

really need to drop my art pipe dream and get into programming bootcamp

>>4593756
Do you really need 1 on 1 hand holding? :D

>>4593759
yes please

>>4593763
$500 a month
you good?

>>4588695
what's the obsession with surrealist art and completely unappealing, ugly bodies?

>>4593756
Get on with that bootcamp. Then once you have a decent programming job, use the money to enroll at online classes with feedback like cgma

>>4588494
1 constuct
2 render
3 done

>>4591048
So u b8 by saying fundies = floating Loomis heads. Did u even read the sticky? Then u ask me to post my work ? Nah, you're swine. Ngmi

>>4594029
The beauty is in how it’s painted, not what is being painted. But /ic/ is obsessed with surface level illustration and knowing how to draw every “thing”, nobody cares about how well the “things” are drawn just that someone has memorized how to draw all the “things”. That’s an illustrator mindset, nobody on /ic/ does fine arts besides a couple people

>>4589104
the left
the lines on the right is too bold and the shapes arent as dynamic
i see soft flowing on the left, the right feels like a mess

>>4594111
Based villarrte BTFOing a Japanese god.

>>4588533
Krabi Krabong...

>>4588533
best answer and of course you get crabbed at for speaking the truth.

>>4588566
yes, basically. he draws boxes and what he knows. he doesn't draw every single thing. he has studied a ton of things and repeats it. that's what drawing from imagination is.

>>4594270

when you only have to focus on one drawing instead of pages after pages of manga.

stay retarded /ic/

>>4591443
BEGONE CUMFARTI

>>4590242
nah just took a break for a long while

>>4591443
BEGONE CUMFARTI

>>4588671
>elite
Whew, lad...

>>4588505
unironically gmi.

>>4588505
unironically gmi.