/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

/int/niggers not allowed.

Some ground rules to start this thread and the next /beg/ threads off:

>if you are /beg/
Don't ever give advice.
You can relate and share your hardships with other /beg/s, but never give them advice.
If you MUST give advice, start the reply off with "I'm beg, but what worked for me is..."

>Before you post your work
1. Every person giving advice here expects for you to have at least read some of the sticky, and that you already know what you should be doing to improve.
In that light, replies such as "grind more fundamentals" are perfectly viable advice.
We expect you to know what the general fundamentals are (gesture, anatomy, perspective, drapery, etc.), and we expect you to know where you can find resources to practice these subjects.
Sometimes literally the only good advice to give is to practice more and improve your technique.

2. DO NOT post your 5 minute sketches that you didn't put much thought into. If you do post them then make sure to ask for SPECIFIC advice on a specific subject.
If you post a doodle and ask "where did i go wrong" or "how should I continue from here", expect to get meme replies such as "Loomis".

Follow these simple rules and the generals will become much more productive for both the /beg/s and the people giving advice

I did this an hour ago so I'm reposting it, it took almost a week. I don't feel like coloring it anymore but perhaps I change my opinion once I wake up?
It's a cover, so it should be colored. I can do Black and white drawings for the later pages.

>>4582049
You can leave /beg/ now.

ESSENTIALS:

>>>/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

>>4582063
Nah they're still copying directly from a photo.

>>4582063
not yet, need 5 moar art here of consistent consistency...

>>4582043
For the anon that drew the OP pic, here is a pic reference i hope it helps. I think the boy is from the Narnie movies, he's pretty cute.

>>4582066
Do you think pros don't use reference?

I'm kinda proud with this one.

>>4582020
Normal poses? like standing, sitting etc...

>>>4582020
she's getting punched, didn't bother to include whoever was punching her

>>4582087
You can leave /beg/

>>4582108
whoops, meant to reply to this >>4582023

>>4582083
There's a spectrum of using reference, from direct 1 to 1 copying to not using any reference at all.
That guy took a real photo but then stylized it quite a bit.
Honestly all it does is show you just how hard it is to try and measure someone's skill level.

>>4582087
I can fap to this, I don't feel like giving any critique. That's how it is with coomer art.
I never finish my coomer illustrations because I cum before polishing them.

Ah yes nice drawing

>>4582115
Yep, I get the feeling the thread would look very different if everyone was using refs.
I started doing it because Asukafag went from /beg/ doodling to somehow doing better drawings than my imagination ones, all thanks to using refs. I'm a salty loser like that kek. Doesn't mean that's my "real" level, or at least that's what I think based on the disparity between Asukafag imagination vs refs drawing, dude draws like a grayscale concept artist if you give him a photo to reference.

I literally can't shade. is there a tutorial on how to do it? Or any exercises i could do?

>>4582137
edit: i only have an H pencil

>>4582137
Me neither, >>4581694 got pretty good with shading from reading Right side of the brain. I am going to try that book now, i though it was a pseudoscience meme.

>>4582146
>>4582137
shading what, realistic or anime?

>Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain tells me to draw a hand as one of the very first instructions before even teaching me anything
While I was drawing I was thinking to myself "wow maybe it won't look so bad after all", then I finished and realized it looks like something alien.

>>4582157
It's setting you up to contrast you with how much easier it becomes with the techniques the book teaches.

>>4582157
You are supposed to have something to compare your abilities before and after. Don't get discouraged by it and keep making the excercises.

Practicing boxes.

Studying the guy that roasted the op in another thread.

>>4582059
thank you

in case you might be interested, in that drawing i first lightly toned the paper with the side of a soft pencil and rubbed it with a paper towel to make the base look smooth. having a base is a little trick to avoid shading that much later. after making a sketch with an hb pencil i used an eraser for the highlights and a 7b pencil for the darker areas. i tried to not be afraid to make some areas really dark

i believe one should be able to achieve good results with a single pencil as well. i wish i could give you better advice but i'm still new to all this

>>4582149
i feel the focus of the book isn't as much on shading as on other skills (perceiving edges, shapes, perspective and proportion). those are worth learning/refining too, of course. but maybe there're better resources specifically for shading, dunno. perhaps keys to drawing pay more attention to it? that'll be my next book after i finish the right side of the brain

>>4582016

>Do you just draw or are you doing studies
The closest thing to studies are the drawings Ive posted as justfuckmyshitup.png of legless shotas with no forearms, or faceless shotas with bodies, both of which I draw over and over 100% from imagination. I dont allow myself to use transform tool on those and instead of fixing mistakes I try to draw the next one better. But with the wyde picture and others, I do allow myself transform tool and redrawing over translucent layers.. And it took me several hours to draw that wydeawake

The way the head connects to the neck connects to the shoulders connects to the arms, as well as what the scapulas and collar bones are doing, is very complicated to me so I try to grind this in between random drawings. I think about this a lot while drawing and I've yet to start focusing on other parts of the body. It's overwhelming.

>>4582218
I though you were completly begginer sorry, more advanced anons always recommend how to render by scott robertson.

I'm on the pressure sensitivity part of keys to drawing
How did I do bros?

>>4582240

hard to tell with the potato quality photo so gonna say you failed.

>>4582242

Did the first 3 exercises in right side of the brain yesterday. Each one took me about only 5 min. Patience and analysis is something I have to work on.

>>4582260

>>4582264
Tried to get cute with this and draw it from an angle. Bad idea
Gonna try and finish 2/3rds of right side of the brain by today wish me luck

>>4582260
>>4582264
Read the OP. Resize your images down to ~1000 px, and rotate them correctly.

>>4582231
oh i'm not him >>4582137
i'm the one whom you used as an example of getting good at shading with the right side of the brain. i just saw you're going to read it yourself and wanted to note that the book is primarily about other things. so that you wouldn't be too disappointed when you find out it can't teach you that much about shading

thanks for mentioning how to render, will keep it in mind

>>4582260

>>4582249
yeah no. still not good. are you using different leads to help with weight?

>>4582280
not /beg/

>>4582281
No, I just use a 2mm mech pencil

>>4582286
you're gonna have a real hard time with line weight and variation if your pencil is not made for it.

>>4582154
>if you are /beg/
>Don't ever give advice.

>>4582302
>not advice

my very first figure drawing, which technique do you think looks better?

Took me a shit ton of time to get the right side even moderately correct

>>4581976
I see a lot of mistakes in the proportions. The torso of the top third sketch is too long, the neck of the top middle one is to the side and the leg lengths of first and last sketch are off. Additionally, you can always put more motion into the rithm of the arms otherwise they look quite stiff. Other than that they seem pretty well made, I don't know your sources but the angles of the limbs seems good and also I love the motion of the body's midsection. But in the end, a gesture drawing is only as good as the finished piece, they are just a tool.

Like at some point you gotta stop going smaller and smaller with your brushes, right? When Do you calla painting "finished"

>>4582173
Inked and colored. I feel good about this one. Tell me how I’m wrong.

>>4582460
The thumbnail looks better than the full pic.

>>4582206
okay if you're 16 or younger

>>4582465
yeah, I'm not sure how to get the finer details/strokes to be more appealing, just spend more time on em?

>>4582464
The elf's hand looks terrible, and nobody hold a bow like that. Finally, where is the bow string? Look like it is gonna pierce through the arm.

>>4582471
here is some inspo

>>4582157
Lol

halp

>>4582157
It's okay, your motor skills will get better after you graduate kindergarden

>>4582043
I'm tired of using my mouse to draw. What's the most adequate cheap wacom tablet to buy?

>>4582535
being a cunt to /begs/ is pathetic. Pyw

>>4582539

>>4582552
Kek.

>>4582552
jesus... you are beyond help - loomis

>>4582281
You've failed with proportions, lower body (pubic bone to bottom of feet) should be the same size as upper body (pubic bone to top of head).
Right arm is tiny (inb4 foreshortening, it's still tiny).
Waistline is too low, should be higher up.
Both hands should be larger.

>>4582286
sharpen a normal pencil with a razor or a boxcutter. Search youtube for how to sharpen pencil.

>>4582532
She's your god and savior.
>Mangamaterials (PNG, 1.04 GB)
https://mega.nz/#!kOpB3aSQ!NIKdW00HeYvst8-mY2xpSTZKONn1fYpLGIJua9zw6aU

>>4582338
very nice handbro

>>4582532
stop it with the memeshit dotted fill. I fucking hate when /beg/s see a shitty gimmick and try to replicate it. I promise it doesn't make your drawing better.

>>4582552
cringe beyond belief. stop posting zoomie.

>>4582571
true

>>4582532
You're hopeless.

>>4582532
i hope it help in some way.

>>4582578
Oh no I draw guys like this

>>4582532
>erase bottom to not get criticized for bad drawing
>ask for help

>>4582568
I mean I can copy some coomer artists just fine, I wanted to try something from imagination for once.

>>4582571
Happy?

>>4582595
much better

>>4582582
yikes

>>4582614
stop crabbing and give some feedback

>>4582614
I would say pyw but I know you're more shit then me so no point,

>>4582595
That brush you're using is hampering any possible gains you're getting.

>>4582460
>>4582606

I see, it does look more appealing with better contrast. thanks!

>>4582472
Thank you.

>>4582634
It is not like I understand it much, It is just things I was able to come up with

>>4582578
Why did you change the grill to a boy?

>>4582650
It was supposed to be girl? Daim, thats awkward..

>>4582569
thx I don't do drugs btw

>>4582564
Oh buddy you barkin up the wrong tree cus this is from 2009 and from a sophomore life drawing class. It's just here to show line weight.

Is copying other artists work a meme

>>4582643
I guess it's not all about understanding, it looks better, and that's enough for me.

I made an edit taking cues from yours

>>4582666
by copying artist artwork you devour piece of his soul and acquire small part of his powers

>>4582586
hope this helps

>>4582666
nice contrast
nice symmetry
nice hair (ribbon style, 3D chunks instead of individual lines)

>>4582157
too much symbol drawing

>>4582675
That's not where the dick starts.

>>4582650
drawing boys is based

>>4582681
yikes

nuclear explosion mode

>>4582687
went from foggy dawn to sunny afternoon

Anything else I can read if I'm interested in understanding blind contour drawing a la Nicolaides? I feel like there's a lot of room for interpretation even in the fairly straightforward way he prescribes it.

>>4582692
I see it now. You have a point.

>>4582675
I feel like the only reason the hair looks fine is because the artist did the hard part in capturing what 3d hair looks like on a 2d drawing. Which is why I don't know if copying art is a good idea

>>4582687
>>4582692
>>4582673

yeah, to be fair i guess, the original ref is a foggy dawn

>>4582630
soul

>>4582652
delusional

>>4582707
I'm the artist and this was the ref https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/70976536

>>4582552
Soul af

Does any know of a website or program where I can freely rotate a cube?

>>4582737
Didn't Google used to have a free 3D drafting program? My coworker was using it back in 2015

>>4582737
>minecraft
>creative mode
>place block
>move

how about tha

>>4582737
https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/proba-bf25321e84244df3ab09821e827a49ec
enjoy

>>4582759
v nice, though I feel like you do lose some of the trees in the background

I'm also a little timid with textured brushes, but this looks good, I should experiment with them more.

>>4582740
Sketchup and sketchfab.

>>4582769
Meant for
>>4582737

>>4582738
It was called google sketchup, just get a pirated copy of the newer ones and watch a couple tutorials.

WHY THE FUCK IS LEARNING SO HARD
HOW THE FUCK DO I DRAW GOOD HEADS, DO I JUST TRY THE LOOMIS SHIT A THOUSAND TIMES UNTIL I GET IT RIGHT?

>>4582786
just draw

>>4582736
Cope

>>4582786
in the west, you learn the overall concept, then the execution

in the east, you practice the rote execution first, then understand the abstract concept later

when drawing, be like the east

>>4582802
I get them (more or less) when I look at references, but when I try to draw one from imagination I fuck up

How do I do this type of pattern the are on the panties?
Do I draw the lines separately? Do I use a straight line tool? Do I use one of those pattern templates?

>>4582786
>>4582814
Shut up kid. You're dogshit and you're not trying hard enough.

>>4582737
>he can't do it in his head

>>4582832
That reference is hard to reverse engineer. If it's not a 3D model, I'd say they took a grid and warped it to match the flow of the cloth.

Is symbol drawing really the first thing to fix for a beginner? I have absolutely 0 clue how to even conduct a basic sketch. Doing the upsidown challenge feels like a complete waste of time because what I draw doesn't even remotely resemble the picture.

>>4582802
In english please.

>>4582885
You understood what he meant. Don't be a dick.

>>4582737
you can do this with blender dude, and you can move the lights around too to create different shading

>>4582884
stop reading the sticky, it's garbage

>>4582894

>>4582884
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDNDOKnArk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1lleIBzn3A
Also follow drawabox, just don't grind 250 boxes like an autist.

>>4582880
Is there a grid like that for clip studio paint?

>>4582630

this is great, but why the hell is the hand so small

>>4582913
Seems alright to me... I made a fist and it goes from my chin to my nose.

>>4582884
Piggy backing off of this. I've read Keys to Drawing but I still can't copy too accurately. What do?

Exercising construction and proportions (in pencil).
The tilt of her head is off, and ribbon hair is still difficult.
Does my marker technique seem alright? I feel like I'm just doing really big hatching.

>>4582802
what did you mean by this? (in western language please)

>>4582884
>>4582925
It really shouldn't be the first step of the sticky. It's bad advice.

First step should be drawabox or loomis.

does everything look ok? I was trying to not symbol draw

Somebody on a previous /beg/ thread pointed out the importance of redrawing chinese cartoons and I feel pretty demoralized because I don't understand how should i continue from here or what to make of this

>>4582948
>It really shouldn't be the first step of the sticky. It's bad advice.
Why is it bad advice though?

I dunno if these are great gestures but I had a ton of fun with them

>>4581762
Thanks for the feedback anon. Only, I'm not sure how to fix the hip area,could you please specify in more detail what the problems are. Also, in terms of proportions, I tried following the eight head method but the figure still came out like this ( I think it's too wide) so I'm not sure what I did wrong, maybe just need to follow it better idk.

>>4583016
That cylinder/tape thing is not right. The bottom of it should have the same curvature as the top. This can also be noticed with the cup holding all the tools, the bottom is flatter/less curved than the top part.

>>4583037
Ooh, you're right. I'm looking at the ref and it is as you say. More practicing to do. Thanks anon.

>>4583018
Because people who don't know how to draw at all aren't even going to come remotely close to anything with an upsidown image, thus leaving them demotivated before they even begin. It's better to draw shapes and basic sketches first, along with techniques like using your shoulder.

>>4583041
It's an exercise to see where you're at drawing with the right side of the brain retard. Learn to read before shitting on the sticky

>>4583050
The point is it shouldn't be labeled "step 1", idiot.

>>4583052
It's not a step it's an exercise fuckface how hard is for you to understand that

>>4583056
>For the Absolute Beginner
>"Step One"

>"Does your work look like the example here (or worse)? Then you suffer from symbol drawing. This means you draw your idea of reality instead of what's actually there."
You are such a moron it's funny. Just end your miserable life.

>>4582933
Your marker technique is good, it creates a lot of contrast while staying pretty clean. The skirt folds in the drawing look much different than the original picture.

Made this when practicing Loomis heads. How bad are they?

Reposting this just in case someone hasn't seen it

>>4583108
thanks

>>4583110
I would avoid doing that dry brush technique with the pen. One alternative would be to use a thinner pen. Pic unrelated, but shows that there are various techniques for shading with pens.

>>4583105
The only thing funny here is how much of a stupid fucking idiot you must be in order to actually believe that the sticky was created to demoralize beginners who can't comprehend how to draw an upside down reference.
Why are you even here fucknugget do you feel better about yourself misleading /beg/s? Stop projecting the absolute state of your life and go fuck yourself better yet go to actually read the sticky you piece of shit.

>>4583129
>being salty at having your garbage sticky being correctly called out
Your rage is hilarious. Get better at basic education, moron.

Tried draw hands from imagination. Not as bad as I thought I would do but still bad nonetheless.

>>4582685
cope

When drawing people, what perspective is best to use?
4 point of 3 point perspective?
Like would 3 point be good for drawing a pose looking upwards the figure?

How is it?

>>4583141
>being correctly called out
Yeah by who? your work must be shit and /beg/s sure are going to make it by following your faggotry of "not reading the sticky because I don't like upside down images".
And seriously stop projecting shit at me about life and education faggot.

>>4583172
Imagine being this angry because your shitty sticky was called out for poor learning flow, lmao.

Just swallow your pride and shut up.

>>4582538
Bamboo

>>4583179
>poor learning flow
What the fuck is your problem? hows's that even a valid point and please keep putting laugh acronyms on each sentence, that sure is showing me how the sticky is wrong. Stupid fucking retard.

>>4583187
At this point you're just screaming over nothing. Again, not my fault you were too stupid not to see the problem listing symbol drawing as step one in learning. Swallow your pride and stfu.

>>4583193
>>4583187
>>4583179
>>4583172
please stop shitting up the thread with petty arguments

>>4583147
These are pretty nice. I also like the shape and gesture of the guy.

I guess this passes as SQTDDTOT thread so, what does this person mean when they say
>I want to start learning how to draw from love, not from fear"
https://twitter.com/steviefeesh/status/1260254369682870275

>>4583202
attention-seeking pseudoscience

>>4583202
pseudo psychology

>>4583202
sounds retarded, because I don't think anyone draws out of fear, if anything they DONT draw out of fear of drawing something they hate

>>4583112
>6th and final mastery
>becoming a coomer and drawing loli

>>4583216
How can you call yourself a great artist if you can't jack off to your art?
I'm super picky when it comes to my porn so when I can get a boner from my work, I'll know I have reached my goal

>>4583216
>"serious anatomy studies"
Attempts were made at anatomy, that's for sure. I mean look at her kneecaps and spherical shoulders.

>>4583219
cope

>>4583223
Guess you can't draw stuff good enough to jack it too

>>4582110
are you fucking blind? lol no he can't leave /beg/. no-one fucking leaves /beg/. the entire board is /beg/ and those who don't post on /beg/ are just larping and should be posting on /beg/.

>>4583225
Yeah everyone is laughing at your joke

>>4583229
Yeah I am

>>4583231
And your art must look like you draw with your dick as well

>>4583232
Yes, as that is my goal.

ITS TIME TO DRAW IVE BEEN PLAYING TOO MUCH VIDYA FOR FEAR OF DRAWING AAH ICAN DO THIS AHHHHHHHH

>>4583242
Do it!

>>4583201
Thank you friend

>>4583242
Same here. My drawing books are always lying next to me. You taunt me you books!

>>4583112
Any tips or examples on point 4. perception?

>>4583267
My interpretation:

In this statue, there is a pointy cylinder shape on top. There is also another cylinder shape with the ornate window cut in.
The top cylinder is roughly 3/5 the size of the lower cylinder.
The cylinders are aligned vertically along their central axes.
"Alignment" would be a synonym.

>>4583274
3/5 size = 3/5 width
Being able to perceive things like alignment and symmetry. Being able to relate one element to other elements, instead of working in a vacuum on each piece of your composition.

my interpretation

>>4583242
I want to stop drawing and play more vidya.

>>4583243
>>4583262
im sorry guys ill do it tomorrow

>>4583283
do whatever most fun!

>>4583274
>>4583278
Thank you. So i should draw more from real life and try to estimate the relation of shapes to eachother?

>>4583295
Real life isn't necessary, even copying from a photo is difficult. That's why people use grids when utmost accuracy is important.

i see 16 and 17 year old artists who are already good what the fuck

>>4583307
Kids learn faster, werent you better at shit when you were that age?

are your first few months drawing important? like am i wet cement right now? i want to steal akio watanabe's artstyle and draw hentai for myself as an end goal. what do?

>>4583309
I was never good at anything.. ;_;

>>4583312
draw better boxes first

is Fun with a Pencil meant to fuck you up with these prominently bulging cheeks cos it's screwing over everything I "know" about heads right now

>>4583323
just have fun, apply the stuff to what you know

>>4583321
when do i stop drawing boxes?

>>4583312
be willing to learn

>>4583328
When you understand how perspective works.

>>4583328
when they're so good they don't look wrong

>>4583323
The cartoony heads are just to ease you into it, later in the chapter you start using realistic head proportions

>>4583334
wisdom

>>4583334
If i would show you some free hand boxes i just drew would you tell me if i am good enough to move on?

>>4583323
I wonder if bulging cheeks were the anime faces of the 1950s

>>4583340
Anon is not your mom

>>4583340
sure

>>4583344
What if she is.

Literally the best I could do. I'm pretty sure I'm autistic but my parents never got me tested so I'm not 100% sure

>>4583381
pretty good. but think about forms and light my friend

>>4583384
lying to him isn't going to help him

>>4583381
You can leave /beg/

>>4583386
I wasn't lying. It has some solid foundations right. Like color theory and proportions. Even the pose is solid with a slight lean to the left. Pretty nice.

>>4583408
Nice!

>>4583283
sell vidyas

>>4583341
disney were the anime faces of the 1950, so yeah, specially considering anime is based on disney's simplified face of snow white

>>4583422
not only snow white, but overall.

>>4583323
I dont think I'm getting it bros

>>4583444
Nope you are doing it wrong.
First start by drawing a good circle. If you are done post it and we can go to step two

>>4583448
here's four of em

>>4583448
Loomis literally says your circles can look like fucking potatoes though.

>>4583456
Very good. Now take a round object like a tennis ball or something and look at it. How would lines wrapped around it look like? These circles you have drawn are balls in 3-D. A perspective drawing if you will. They are not just 2-d circles on a piece of paper.
>>4583461
Yes it's not the circle quality thats lacking in his drawing.

>>4583463
>How would lines wrapped around it look like?
Once you think you got it, you start drawing lines around these balls like lines wrapped around a tennis ball. Post the result and we can go to step 3

>>4583444
Anon I love your little gremlins, there's something charming about them

>>4583467
Sectioned wrapping lines, yeah

>>4583479
Try to draw with more accuracy. It's not about making it quick. Learn how to draw elipses as a next step. It's a 3-D form think about this as you move your pencil over it.
You drawing looks more like you tried fitting elipses inside these circles.

>>4582065
Based

>>4583483
>You drawing looks more like you tried fitting elipses inside these circles.
Well, yeah, if its an equally shaped sphere the curvature of one arc should should eb the same as its mirror. Circles within circles, right?

>>4582884
Yes. No amount of Loomis will help you if you cant actually see whats infront of you.

>>4583492
Yes but it's not about the technical element of drawing with these loomis heads. It's more about "feeling" the form instead of making it technically right. When you move your pencil over these spheres try to think about them as real 3-D forms. How you move over a tennis ball with a pencil?

>>4583242
Vidya will be your demise
Sell them

>>4583492
imagine that you sliced a ball and put it together, forming a line

>>4583492
>>4583479
Ok try this. Draw another circle and try to draw over it like you would draw over a sphere lying infront of you. Don't draw elipses. Just move your pencil over the sphere. lease post the result believe me you will make a huge progress.

>>4583501
>>4583514
>>4583515
This more like it, just have the visible side of the sphere?

>>4583520
Yes! Now lets look at these spheres.
What i notice it that your lines don't quite match the form.
Look at my drawing of the ball and how the lines don't just go straight down but vanish behind the ball like they would wrap around. The one where you made the mistake of going down in a straight lines is the second from the left in in the bottom row.
The best circle and the one we are working next on is the second one from left in the upper row. I want you to slap a sausage on it ( any way you like) and put some lines over the sausage showing us the form of it.

>>4583528
>but vanish behind the ball like they would wrap around.
( I have to say it's not perfect but close enough on where we are going.) I am by no means a master on this.

>>4583520
also, if you're having troubling reading the circle as a 3 dimensional form, try drawing some cubes in different angles and drawing lines in the middle of each cube's face. cubes are easier to read as 3d

>>4583528
Slap a sosig on it?

>>4583537
Wait i draw this quickly.

Where did I go wrong?

>>4583541

>>4582043
Question. Why is Loomis "Fun with a Pencil" always recommended for /beg/inners even though 90% of it is Symbol Drawing?

>>4583541
no loomis is where

>>4583548
you should be drawing shapes (mostly spheres), not symbols

>>4583537
>>4583538

>>4583554
Ah. Ok this'll be difficult

>>4583553
But aren't spheres inherently symbols? Especially with the way Loomis draws them in his book.

>>4583554
>>4583537
>>4583557
To make it even more difficult i want you to put it in another position. Don't just re-draw what i made but put it somewhere else.

>>4583558
everything written or drawn is a symbol if you thing about it, but some represent a shape and not JUST a symbol

>>4583554
Ehhh?

>>4583561
But how is it easily differentiated exactly? If a 2D drawing has some minor 3D qualities then is it still symbol or is it a shape? I've lurked here a bit and I've seen a lot of things get labeled symbol even though they didn't seem like such, so I am curious as to whether there is a distinct difference to be made here and a way to identify if something is symbol or not.

>>4583561
Is an symbol a shape or is it that shapes are just symbols?

>draw everyday
>practice fundamentals
>look up tons of tutorials and videos on getting better
>always reference, use construction and copy and break down figures.

>end up always making mistakes in my drawings and can't improve

>>4583573
I suppose it heavy referenced but you broke out somewhat from screenspace with this legs. arms not so much

>>4583562
It's good. But don't forget the form-lines on the sausges. (Or worms).
Always think about the ball as an actual 3-D form and the worms wrapping around it too. The worms itself are also 3-D forms!
Now i want you to learn this until it looks right to you.
Draw your own forms. Make them up like i did (pic) and have fun with them. And always draw lines around them like they are 3D. Try to be as accurate as possible. Spend more time on a single form until it looks right. You will get faster at it.

>>4583573
just put the hands off frame lmao

>>4583582
Forgot pic.

cute
connect the knee better
bread loaf shoe syndrome; look at real shoes
looks like you're studying hands, great
nice movement / gestures
body proportions seem good
neck is good size and shape
nice detailed eyes
not sure what the flaps on her armpit are

>>4583566
>>4583565
when people in here say you are just drawing symbols it means that what you drew isn't respecting any perspective, making it flat, like when you write something, the letters aren't in perspective. but, even with letter you can put them in perspective, by skewing the image (which still results in something flat) or giving them tridimensionality (like in those 3d letters you usually see in graffiti)
form would be a better word than shape for what i mean though. and, yes, forms are symbols too, but with tridimentionality, if you go by "symbols" meaning, but it's better to use those symbols than :^) symbols for a face

>>4583589
Out of curiosity. Would pic related be considered Symbol? I kinda wanna know what my level is before I decide which book to study first. This is just a shitty doodle, but it has the steps that I usually follow, so if I am still lacking in fundamentals I'll go study them right away before I get ahead of myself.

>>4583582
>>4583586
Well thats another thing to add to the list of stuff to do and Oh god it's unmanageable at this point

>>4583606
Don't worry. Once you got this down you managed fun with pencils. And many here say that makes you good enough to earn 2k a month with your drawings

>>4583606
One more tip. I see some chicken scretching there. Try to draw the lines with one continues sweep from the shoulder, not your wrist.

>>4583611
Yes I know, the use ur whole arm stuff. Still getting used to that and boy short curves are Hell. Long curves are hell also, actually all of it's still hell

>>4583606
Is-is that tentacle porn? On a sphere?

how do i get used to using a stylus?
I always chicken scratch and can't make proper lines for shit.

>>4583604
the thing about heavily stylized drawing is the viewer can't know for sure if you drew thinking and respecting perspective and forms. although i can see that the hair isn't great, or the eyes don't align, the drawing by itself is nice enough that you could get away by saying it was on purpose for style, the problem happens when it's not the style but the artists lack of skill, reason why most people will tell someone learning to avoid stylized drawings, so they can easily see what they lack

>>4583625
draw a circle in one go, erase the part that went wonky and redraw it. apply that principle to everything else.

>>4583619
Don't get discouraged by all the red lines (Some of them show whats good). This is what i would add to your drawing.
If anyone would like to give some tips is welcome or if someone wants to improve me even more.
Try doing more clean lines around the big worm in front.
Like i said >>4583611 try to draw cleaner and lighter. It helps to fix some errors.
And before you draw too complex forms try to make it easy by following the form of an object rather then breaking it. (The one worm wrapping backwards.)

>>4583640
is she committing suicde

>>4583645

>>4583645
it's me fooling around. sorry about that.

>>4583629
That's kind of the problem, and why I am looking for this kind of feedback. When I was younger (like 10-13) I fell for the "stylization is all you need" meme, and only sometimes practiced realism in art classes, and that was about it.
Recently I noticed my styilized drawings are subconsciously improving yes, but they are improving in aspects that are not needed, whereas stuff that I need to be improved are not.

And so nearing the age of 20, I realized I need to practice realism (and plus, I gained a newfound appreciation for realism as a whole). Problem is, I don't want to 100% start from scratch unless I have no choice, so I kinda wanna get an idea of what fundamentals I am already alright with and which ones I can skip, or if I genuinely need to start from scratch unfortunately. And that's the kind of thing I wanna know, before I start to relearn stuff.

What are you drawing right now?

I’m confused, should a perspective grid only be used when vanishing points are off the page?

>>4583687
doing the first few exercises from keys to drawing, did half an upside down stravinsky just to see how bad it was as well (not as bad as i thought)

For construction, is it better to drawabox or proko? I feel like drawabox is autistic but proko seems like a meme

Rorschach test

this is where i always quit. at this stage i loose interest. i dont know what to do next than to refine lines.

>>4583739
toes, face, hair ears, clothing, expression.
use reference to both get inspiration and know how things look

>Buy Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain
>Entire Chapters that don't have any exercises
>Book feels like it's about neuroscience
I just wanna draw..

>>4583776
dont waste money on books before reading them, specially art related ones

>>4583776
did you check out the pdf before buying it?

>>4582913
Maybe you're right. Since the faces have wacky proportions the hand should be extra big to compensate.

>>4583214
>I don't think anyone draws out of fear
/las/ does.

>>4583787
Yeah I should do that, I just thought this one is a good guideline for a beginner.
>>4583789
What pdf?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EYNLWGSUcAgI_3N?format=jpg&name=large

How the fuck does this guy make his girls look so smooth and silky??

>>4583381
The drawing isn't too technically advanced but I think it looks cute.

>>4583739
Now start learning anatomy

hehe
>>4583825
I think you just need some blender brush. and be good

>>4583941
I really like the hair render anon

Can I just skip certain chapters in Drawing with the Right Side of the Brain? Why the fuck do I need the history of discrimination of left handed people to draw? Reading through this shit feels like bad filler. I'm like 60 pages in and learned pretty much nothing about drawing.

>>4584038
>Why the fuck do I need the history of discrimination of left handed people to draw?
If you have to ask and don't understand it
NGMI

>>4584038
It's common knowledge to skip everything that doesn't have to do with drawing exercises in DWRSB. The book is notorious for rambling about psuedo-science bullshit.

>>4583941
Not that anon but what's the deal with blender brushes? Are they indispensable for that smooth feel to some illustrations? I've only ever tried Photoshop and there's nothing like that that I know of (maybe the smudge thing but that kinda sucks). Should I switch to something like CSP?

>>4584038
You could try reading Keys to Drawing instead

>>4584044
you can do that with any brush with enough patience

i know anatomy's bad but how do i learn how to colour and render. i don't wanna cell shade but when i try to blend stuff it looks smudgy and weird

Is this what Vilppu means by transitions, or "animating a trip through the figure?"

>>4584056
Yes you're doing well

I'm getting back on drawing. I did this one using some reference. what things can I improve on?

I know hands and feet are wonky. but there's something about the hips / torso area that don't seem right to me but idk what is it.

>>4584063
The more visible part or the scratchier part I drew after "animating a trip through the figure" registered in my mind?

I know the legs are fucked, back to studying.

>>4584154
Legs don't look that bad to me.
I feel like her weight is just a bit too far to the right making her look unbalanced.

trying hard to keep going...

>>4584154
On the positives I love how your drape clothing and how her left hand looks.
and on the note of the legs, I would say don't be afraid to incorporate hints of muscle and volume. You definitely have the line-weight to pull it off.

>>4584055
Wrong thread buddy, this is /beg/ if you haven't noticed

>>4584158
Thanks she's leaning on something I just didn't draw it

When did you realize you were NGMI?

>>4584185
i mean i've been drawing for a while but i still struggle a lot with shading, drawing hands, feet, shoes, faces that aren't in 3/4 view etc. especially when i'm trying to draw in a more realistic style, so it's still more /beg/ than anything else

It's too advanced stuff (like lvl 4 of cirno mastery or something ) for me but maybe something like that

>>4584221
I never did.

>>4584221
When after 4 months I realized I made next to no progress.

>>4584243
Smart move. It took me ten years and several art courses to quit.

>>4584055
Do you use Photoshop? If so, then ctrl paint dot com is your friend

GODDAMMIT
No matter what I try it looks better without coloring.
Granted I've only been at it 1 hour, but still. I don't feel like giving up, a true artist should be able to take this lineart and make an appealing colored piece.

>>4583551
Cutee and nice clean lines

>>4584221
I only on this board discovered that I was supposed to make something.

>>4584257
honestly bro you see nothing wrong withthat front wheel?
The entire front part of the motorcycle has a bad case of forcefully-fitted-on-page-atitis.

>>4583551
good lines anon

Are /sqt/ threads still being made or are they gone for good? Cause I haven't been here for a few weeks and don't see one. I have a technical issue with Krita that this thread isn't suitable for.

>>4584267
>The entire front part of the motorcycle has a bad case of forcefully-fitted-on-page-atitis.

looks good to me, im even wondering why is he posting in /beg/

>>4584269
It's redundant with this thread

>>4584269
make one

>>4584257
Hmmm, I think the crosshatching on the lineart isn't helping much, maybe if you erased that, then "colored" in grayscale, then painted over that, maybe if you post some sort of artstyle reference you were going for we could help you better.

>>4582157
I think the point is to see a before and after in your work. I started drawing literally four days ago and this is what mine looked like doing the same thing

>>4582933

>>4584315
Welp now I'm speechless, mayb I should really ditch the hatching and go for this soulful 2.5D rendering. Thanks mate.
>>4584267
I'll try to get the perspective better for the next one, changing it now would take about the same time as making a new drawing from scratch though. It's editing a lot of the machinery.
>>4584270
I still feel like a newbie making mistakes
>>4584274
You made me realize I hadn't decided on a style yet, but now that anon made me choose one.
There's so many directions one can take, such as just using flat colors.

new

>>4584344

>>4584344

>>4584344

>>4584327
>Thanks mate.
Im very limited in expression
I just paint everything in red and orange

>>4584055
i like your rendering, cool hair and cape.
the perspective in her left shoe looks weird

I need help, I can't choose between these three helmets to make a final version. Also the final product will probably look different from the sketch.