/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4571698
the /beg/ vs /int/ war is going on right now

>>4571719
/int/ is dead, we have two /begs/ /alt/ and /adv/ lasted all of two minutes, so the whole separation of the drawthread was retarded anyway, all it ever is is /beg/s critiquing /beg/s and people telling people in /int/ to go back to /beg/ anyway, so its just stupid, general is masterrace

>>4571743
Perspective looks really weird, almost like a picture taken by a panoramic camera.

>>4571719
/int/ is pointless and ridiculous.

I'm trying to understand arms at the moment. Will attempt drawing from memory later through the day

>>4571781
that was the idea. I like playing with lens distortion. by no means satisfied with its consistency but I think it has the desired effect. will probably adjust a lot tomorrow

>>4571799
right page looks far more accurate than left

>>4571698
/ic/ should become an entire /beg/ containment board

>>4571869
I like this one a lot

>>4571824
ah ok, then it's pretty good haha

>>4571824
It doesn't look good whatever you are doing BC you don't know what you are doing. The perspective is very off
Practice more basics before doing stuff like this
Massive waste of time.

>>4571985
His perspective isn't that off, he just put the vanishing points too close together.

>>4571879
i thought that's what /ic/ is. short of a few people who haven't realized they're too good to be here, everyone here is shit and the ones who get good, leave. /int/ is full of people who have barely made it past /beg/. /alt/ is more begs and those 5 or so people I mentioned earlier. /ic/ dunning kruger central. begs all the way down. there's no structure, no progress, everyone's a fucking crab. this is one of the few scenarios that doesn't work with the anonymous structure. you need to know who's critiquing you otherwise it bears no weight.

the only decent threads are the artbook and course threads and, again, they're only relevant to begs.

>>4572026
Don't be a fucking retard
The vanishing point can be as close as he wants it to be but those vanishing points need to apply to EVERYTHING
Including the two ppl
If he didn't apply the vanishing point to everything he did it wrong
The perspective is wrong
There is nothing wrong with distortion it can be used to make drawings interesting if you do it right

>>4572027
Why does 4chan mean so much to you
Just draw and improve if you know all the know hows and anons are retards to you

>>4572358
can you redline it or be more specific so I can make adustments before I continue?

>>4572597
You gotta put them into boxes
I can tell you didn't put them into boxes
If you put them into boxes the where you need to apply the distortion becomes obvious. Just try again there is no shame in trying to improve or start a new drawing and think of this as practise
If you really want me to fix it I'm basically erasing the girls and redrawing them

Wish I wasn't so lazy with this one.

Update. Think I'm pretty much done with this

>>4572612
Nice job, I really like it! My only criticism is the wrench in his hand - I'd make the circular parts neater, and I'd show the side plane of it to make it feel more 3d. At the moment it feels like a very flat 2d element against a space guy whose shapes/volume is shown a lot better.

>>4571698
>>>/i/

>>4572606
This is by no means totally fixed but I found the most egregious error and improved it. heights of the girls is the main issue, one in the foreground is shorter than the further one but not ridiculously so. call me sakimichan but I am going to render this and just grind perspective in traditional so I dont have these issues next time.

>>4571743
Face too long

>>4572779
thanks

>>4572779
thanks just fix'd it

>>4572818
>>4572816

Not the same guy, but in the reference picture her face also looks long to me. Is that just me? I realize this picture is not the same angle.

Damn 4chans spam filter

>>4572821
maybe somewhat but I actually overlayed the ref over my drawing and hes right mine was a little too long.

>>4571698

>>4572831

>>4572721
It's hella fucking interesting
>>4572779
the new form of redlining kek

>>4571743
do yourself a favor and never put another object in the center of your compositions ever again

>>4572831
>>4572832
these are awesome, love the motion in the first one. wonder what your finished work looks like...

>>4572892
explain why

>>4572831
Really like this anon, good job!

I'm probably gonna leave this unfinished, the pages are scuffed and the background is gonna be a pain in the ass to draw

>>4571985
>>4572358
>>4572606
>>4572892
Who pissed in your cereal?

>>4572932
Blog?

>>4572943
I don't have one my man, I don't draw much so I wouldn't have enough content to make a decent blog

>>4571985
Oh my god you fuckin pwnd that noob

>>4572932
soul

>>4572939
welcome to /ic/ fren, first time here?

Seriously though I dont really know why I piss people off so much when I post my work. The only reason I keep coming back here is that the rest of the internets art communities are a total circlejerk where no one does anything but act like youre Gods gift to art no matter what you do. Besides Im the kind of person that if someone calls me ngmi I just go back to the painting and work harder as a kind of 'fuck you' to them.

>>4573011
Just get better at boxes before you do anything advanced
I'm being 100% honest
But I know you won't take this advice but it is okay I'm trying to help and avoid bad habits
Distortion is very advanced and hard to get right

>>4573027
You are correct but I personally see no issue in doing both, no matter what level I am I always have and always will do both exercise grinding and finished work. Thats just how I am, means Im neither burning out with boredom nor stagnating and sucking my own dick inside a comfort zone, besides, attempting advanced things means I become aware of the issues I run into, I learn a lot this way, so youre totally right I do need to grind perspective structure ect but im not going to stop painting whatever I want just because there are errors in it, if I did so I would not enjoy art.

>>4573062
Pretty sensible view to have imo. I do the same whenever I wanna try out a new technique/material, working it into a piece you want to finish is a good way to see what works, what doesn't, and why.

>>4571698
I drew this today. Pretty happy with it. 3rd time actually trying to do a more realistic-ish style of shading and blending.

>>4573073
This too. If anybody's interested in helping a fella out, when doing this kind of painting, how do I avoid this kinda muddy feel thing I keep getting?

>>4573062
If you have no issue doing both then do both, start with boxes and finish with the person drawn in the box.

>>4572917
not him but here

>>4573077
Nice colors on the mug, but the ellipses definitely need some work, they're pretty wonky. Draw some cubes/cylinders in perspective, and do some ellipse drawing exercises (like drawabox type shit). You've definitely got some potential, just gotta nail those basics first.

>>4573073
very nice atmosphere and composition anon. I really like this.
Some of your lines are angled incorrectly and do not follow the perspective. The most visible example is the phonebooth, almost all the lines both horizontal and vertical do not agree with each other, making the booth look crooked.
Very nice idea and execution.

>>4573124
>>4573326
thanks bro/s. yeah I'll go back to grinding some fundies again. I keep having to go back to them and grind from time to time. it's like they slip away every few weeks.

I see all the flaws mentioned. thank you for taking the time.

>>4573062
I like your attitude anon, it's the right one to have if you're gonna make it. I think when its finished it will look great. I know you don't want circlejerk and want actual criticism so if you want my advice I'd fix that strap on her back as rn It looks loose af. Also try and be more accurate with your lines and avoid "chicken scratch" I know this is hard and sometimes seems unnecessary if you're going to remove it later but it will help you in the long run as getting lineart precise is key to portraying the forms in the finished render (if you're going that far with this).

>>4572932
i love this so much, makes me wanna make some bloodborne fanart

the study for today- any crit is fine but in particular...im not satisfied with the clothing folds to the left, and the rendering on his left arm in the back feels weird

>>4572916
>>4572918
thank you

>>4572358
If you put the vanishing points too close then it will cause massive distortion. The rule of thumb is to avoid having both vanishing points on the page.

got way too saturated somehow..

>>4573720
really good if it's not a paintover (which i suspect it is).

>>4573823
This is pretty cool my guy.

>>4572752
I entirely agree. I was only using one brush ben, trying to emulate the Kim Jung Gi magic. But after the first hour I definitely got kind of lazy and it 100% shows in that fucking wrench.

>>4573823
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdT-yy3iSMs
watch this guy's streams/videos. His style is very similar to yours.

>>4574137
found the /beg/

>>4574337

>>4574292
thanks for this, i love this way of painting, wish i could understand kr though.

I'm trying to learn gradient maps and improve my comic/character drawing. I think I'm settling into a process I'm comfortable with. What think?

>>4572968
Can you post more of your stuff if you want? I really like the shapes and hatching.

Requesting a redline of this. I seriously cannot get the anatomy right for the life of me. Many thanks

>>4573688
Thanks anon, yeah I'll try a few different ways of doing the strap and see what feels natural, and youre right on my sketch later being really scratchy and I do think of it like that but I know I need to clean it up, I've partially been doing it for speed but at the very least focal points need to be tighter. I've been analyzing Jia's use of colour and hoping to apply some of that knowledge here

Been working on this crabby boy for a little while now, just started applying the flats today.

It's my first colour drawing as well, feel free to point out flaws and what to improve. Also techniques, because I'm very new to digital painting.

Cranked out this happy boy in about an hour and thirty minutes.

>>4571698
I feel like the perspective is a bit fucked

>>4571719
Historically, Carmine always said /int/fags are nothing but a glorified crew.

First time drawing a forest background. Surprisingly easy actually, my brush pen did most of the work

>>4575675
Brushpens are great for trees, but keep in mind that branches don't just start on the sides of the trunk but also the front and back.

>>4575730
Oh fuck I'm retarded, that actually slipped my mind. Thanks man

>>4571698
Do any of you know about guns? how retarded is my design?

>>4575841
i don't know shit about guns, but it doesn't look like you can hold it comfortably

>>4571698
Been having trouble with drawing hair, so I'm trying to get better at that.

>>4575517
not bad, whats your finished work like?

>>4575841
real gun? bad, Borderlands gun concept art? good.

>>4575905
Id be trying to get better at faces too.
bristle smudge the hair, lightly airbush some light. add thin strands. add thinner strands. boom.

trying to figure out some consistency in building forms/shapes. I am kinda just throwing stuff at the wall and hoping to see what sticks.
What/when did a workflow for you finally "click"?

>>4575841
looks fine to me

>>4575841
I don't know much about guns, but I feel like /k/ would shit itself over most fantasy gun designs.

today's work for the museum

>>4576386

>>4576395
>>4576386

>>4574941
ther's something wrong with her hips, I feel like her mid body is too short, it makes her look like a midget. Other than that it seems ok if a bit blurry so far.

>>4572932
If you're going to continue, watch a video on how to hold & shoot a bow... PLEASE.

>>4576209
This, I like to smudge up into the hair ends, then back down out of it. Works pretty good.

An hour and thirty minutes in.

>>4576399
blog, twitter, deviantart?

>>4576322
keep grinding cluckbro

>>4576605
I wake up in the morning and I take way too long to warm up.
I don't mind it too much, maybe I'll just focus on studies the first 1-3 hours of the morning, take a break ect.
Can't really feel bad about fucking up studies

also
>want to draw feet
>also really like stump feet for some fucking reason
send help

>>4576696
learn to do normal feet before you can cope with stylization.

>>4571743

Apart fron the terrible compositon the sitting figure in this would be a giantess and if she stood up she would not fit in the room. The other figure also isnt to scale. Brush up on your perspective knowledge because it is barely there.

The background is going to be autumn themed, Making it the last of the season set I've making

>>4575898
Mmmhh, i feel like the hole would definitely fit a thumb?
>>4576205
I'm going for a call of duty type of thing. Any critique about the functionality?
>>4576377
That's a good one, I'll probably do that!

>>4575841
>>4576864
it doesn't have any grave mistakes besides maybe one, the safety/fire mode switch is badly placed. It's normally within reach of at least one finger while holding the gun (like pic related for example)

>>4576931
forgot pic

>>4576581
@lippumoqueur on insta

>>4576931
Cheers great point!

>>4576864
this one is neat but using a front grip like that without a stock would be pretty awkward, I like the strange bullpup-ish mag

>>4575312
Good to hear anon, I'll be following this to see how it progresses, if you wanna link to your work?

>>4571869
Wow I absolutely love that style, any sort of blog?? Instagram, Twitter??

>>4574325

My stuff always comes out looking like it's made out of clay and I don't know why

I had completely forgotten about /ic/ and just now getting back into proper practicing.

>>4577236
Youre only drawing/painting with straight, soft rendered textureless cylinders. Bream up the shapes, the arm for example is not just a box/cylinder. Check the underlying muscle structure.
Check out bridgman

>>4577236
the lighting and values are really good you just need to study anatomy more

>>4577350
>>4577356
I know the anatomy pretty well, I just can't paint it. The only reason the values are okay is because I was copying a reference.

>>4577236
do you even know what an eye looks like from the side?

>>4577468
Yes, I was also struggling between making it realistic and making it anime and didn't succeed at either

>>4571698

>>4576967
I made a few with a stock,
Does it even make sense to have a shorter rifle with one attached?

>>4577494

>>4575675
Really like this one. Keep in mind what the other anon said, but other than that I like it just the way it is.

>>4576991
Akirelll on IG.

>>4577511
Thank you anon, that's really sweet of you. I might have fucked it up though since I wanted to try out painting some clouds with diluted ink and I'm not sure it turned out great

lion sketch from ref

just getting into painting skin, help.

>>4577746
nice

>>4577774
Looks almost identical in the thumbnail. Your colors are a TINY bit more saturated.

>>4577774
Nice work, I like it. It's v good zoomed out. Maybe try pushing the colors more. There's some magenta spots within the lower flank of your ref and almost a green tinge appearing above the nostril, try splashing a few wild colors down and then blending them.

I had a tonne of fun with this

>>4576428
solid drawing

>>4576558
blog?

>>4576834
scroll down

>>4576989
instagram.com/sajjanstudios

>>4577487
soul and nostalgiapilled

>>4577236
I think you have to put in more colors. Instead of shading with darker values, shade with different hues in slightly darker values. And include different saturation levels if you can, life is a bunch of hues all over the place, I think we can notice that something's off when we don't see that on human skin specially. That's why it looks like clay.

>>4577494
well it's something of a smg or a machine pistol, maybe you can put a folding or detachable stock if you feel like it's weird. Look at a c96 in carbine configuration or a Skorpion VZ61. Pick related is an Uzi with a fixed stock.

>>4577459
Dont use only a single reference, ever

>>4577869
I did change the hues and saturation, maybe it wasn't enough but I think the bigger issue is my brushwork or values or something, I don't know.

>>4578134
I mean it's a direct copy of that single reference

>>4577487
Lovely strokes

>>4576864
Showed this to my gun nut bro, he said the curved part on the back would make handling awkward, the cartridge eject would usually be just above the mag insert, safety needs moving as other anon said, other than that its passable as a functional firearm and to me personally I think it would look great in a portfolio, even better if you do different angles. He also thought it made more sense with a stock.

made a piece for murmay, but i'm too lazy to make the whole challenge. what you think guys?

Almost done with this mess

>>4578595
Hey, thanks for that man!
I've actually made a thread on /k/ and they are absolutely butchering my designs, very insightful.

For anyone who's interested :
>>>/k/45051356

>>4578706
Fucking love it anon.

Tried painting without doing line-work first, just blocking in (and starting by defining negative space, which is a new thing for me)...

>>4578868
...final result. I think it looks pretty nice. Will definitely use the technique more.

men should die.
:)

>>4578874
Is this legbeard autism or a fetish or both?

>>4578918
fetish

>>4578626
Looks slick, but I think you should push yourself harder. This is obviously well inside your comfort zone when you could have really worked on something that actually challenges you; full background, water surface effects, even just making the phone more rounded and harder to draw.

>>4577774
There's a bunch of guides out there, but the general principle is to mix a load of colours into skin tones. Purples, blues and greens in shaded areas, yellows and greys for thick skin, reds for thinner places. Look up what sub-surface scattering is and keep the shadows lighter than they would be on normal materials. Try to get away from pink; white skin is generally more of a mix of white and orange.

>>4577494
Stocks are always useful. The third point of contact makes a big difference to stability. SMGs have stocks, even some pistols (and I bet more would have them if they weren't illegal most places), short rifles should absolutely have stocks.

>>4576836
I want to hate it for being so current-year, but there is actually some soul to it. You need to get stuff like the nose ring and back of the choker exactly right though; that crisp style is unforgiving.

>>4576696
Got some charm, but also a lot of issues. You need to follow what you love, but be disciplined too. Keep the stylization for warm-ups and train realistic anatomy for now.

>>4576558
You need to learn to work rougher and faster. Use thicker brushes and block in distinct areas of light and dark. Cut into the shapes and push them around. At the moment, most of those soft shaded areas look like pillow shading. Don't fuck about with that; either shadow or not.

>>4576428
Some talent, but relying too much on grunge to hide deficiencies. Keep it clean so you can see your weaknesses.

>>4576386
Nothing much to say except it looks good.

>>4576322
>What/when did a workflow for you finally "click"?
Literally never. Always experimenting.

>>4575905
Concentrate on defining shapes, not detail.

>>4574941
Honestly, I think it is almost there. I think the limbs should be a little longer, depending on how young/short she is meant to look and the left arm needs to come back a bit, but the basics are about right.

>>4578948
Forgot pic, of course.

>>4578935
learn to blend, also colors are muddy.

>>4578874
aww did your bf break up with you? get touched the wrong way? poor you.

Finished my sketchbook last night, feels good man.

>>4578935
Looks great, would be good to see it pushed further with blending and fine details. lighting is logical but a more dramatic setup would do a lot for it. Same for the saturation range, it works but pushing the range further to better the focal points would make it pop

>>4578962
You're a retard, stop falling for extremely obvious bait

>>4578717
Tyvm

ANY GOOD COPIC MARKER GUIDES?

>>4578955
This is why I come here.
>post mid-tier art on social media
50 posts about how great it is, nothing constructive
>post mid-tier art on normie art sites
0 posts, nobody gives a shit about mid-tier art. Maybe some /beg/gar posts facebook-level praise. No advice from more skilled artists.
>post on /ic/
Harsh but constructive criticism, every time.

>>4578935
GREAT EFFORT TAKE IT FURTHER, RUIN IT

>>4574938
how much time to you commit to studying from life learning anatomy etc as opposed to how much you focus on studying jia anon?

>>4575841
You can't put the palm of your behind the grip, how are tou going to shoot this with extended arms?

>>4579386
Is that even bad advice? Shouldn't you generally try to push your limits until you find a level you can't make it work? You only really learn while you're failing, so you need to take the process to failure, not to success.

>>4578935
I don't paint with texture to hide imperfections, I do it because it's interesting to look at.

But here's a clean-sweep. Tell me more about those weaknesses.

>>4579445
I was referencing Yizheng Ke for this though... Wasn't even thinking about Ruan Jia.

I don't really draw or paint from life ever. I don't see the need to be honest.

>>4579580
its amazing how youve yet to improve even though you draw the same shit. maybe when im dead you will finally get better.

>>4579861
are you suicidal, anon?

>>4579870
no but ur bad :)

>>4579872
im not the guy you were responding to, just making sure you are okay

>>4575841
ask /k/

>>4579485
YOULL NEVER KNOW IF YOU DONT TRY

>>4579861
1/10 for effort, bad bait

>>4579944
get gud

>>4579877
using the round brush really shows you dont know how to paint LMAO

>>4579951
Tell me how to paint then.

>>4580013
he will teach you how to paint properly lol

>>4580032
That's not helpful in any conceivable way.

Post some piece of artwork that solves the issues I'm continually facing. It doesn't even have to be by you or anyone in this thread.

Like, give me a goal to aim for, or else you can't expect me to paint the way you want me to if I don't know what constitutes "knowing how to paint" in your mind.

trying (and failing) to do some line shading, artists who use this technique regularly, what should i be doing to better improve creating value with simple lines?

>>4580130
Learn from the best.

Today I did this.

>>4580148
hair and face are really cool, body and right hand look mega broken.

>>4571698
this is what I am currently working on.
a future d&d character, who is the daughter of my current d&d character.
a red dragonborn named Cera Pendragon

>>4580155
cute

>>4580155
furry

>>4580148
looks fine as hell, got any more work?

>>4578935
I know how "current year" it is but is part of a set I'm selling so it has to appeal to the kind of persons that will buy them. And yeah I know about the ring and choker I tried to define the space without looking too much into it because I define them while painting. Thanks for the tips and for saying there's some soul to it

>>4577393
nice, love the expressions

>>4580148
Any particular reason you decided to make her black?

>>4571743
I like what you're doing here but look at the girl on the right again. she's not entirely on the same layer as the floor.

>>4578999
pretty neat. Where did you get the references from?

>>4580129
Ask this guy >>4579861 not me >>4580032
All you can get from crabs >>4579861 >>4579872 is "learn to paint retard".
Do you really think that he can help you?
This screenshot >>4580032 is a comment on my work btw

>>4580594
I don't really think he can teach me anything useful. But I'd love to be proven wrong. I'd rather look stupid and learn something than look smart and learn nothing. It's always worth a try.

plan to do some hatching on this later

>>4580338
mmmno dragonborn aren't furry

>>4574901
Sorry dude, I only swa your reply now.
>>4575675
I also made this one and it's really the only other piece I have that resembles the one you liked. That was my first serious attempt at hatching that wasn't just replicating manga pages

>>4576399
>>4576395
>>4576386

some other drawings for a poster on crocodilians

>>4580708

>>4580709

>>4580617
fuken cool
blog?

>>4580631
You're right. They're scalies.

>>4578935

post your ref, I know I have it saved somewhere but I can't find it right now.

>>4580153
Do they? What's up with them? Body too thin?

>>4580360
ty. Here's my twitter:
https://twitter.com/vshtone

>>4580417
Do you mean it's in a black style? I was just trying to make it look elf-y.

one of my best portraits

>>4580617
Love this. Blog?

>>4580610
"It's always worth a try."
meh... i don't think so
the best teacher is practice

>>4580625
Damn dude nice.

>>4573720
dude is that ian fucking curtiss? based. Are you a fan of joy division?

>>4581018
>>4580769
i dont post often but here you go

>>4580769
>>4581018
i dont post often, and these kinds of designs are somewhat recent so theres not a whole lot, but here you go https://twitter.com/StutterD

>>4580787
I couldn't get the face right, so I just kind of free-formed there. It was mostly done to practise cloth, although I think the bit I am most pleased with is the hands.

>>4579580
>Tell me more about those weaknesses.
First and most obvious, it isn't a completed work. You did the 'fun' bits (I suspect the bits you found easiest) and then just didn't bother with the rest.

That hand actually looks really brilliant as it is; if the whole piece was at that quality then it would be a good painting.

The face is a 'polished turd' where you have spent too long blending everything together smoothly and not nearly enough defining the features. You could have shadows from the hair really demonstrating the form if you were willing to put in the effort. As it is, you have one line on the eyebrow which just vanishes and nothing else. There's no sense of bone structure. I know it is some kind of cartoon or video game bullshit, but you aren't at the level where you can actually do stylised work yet. Keep grinding realism.

Hair has been half-finished, then apparently abandoned when you ran into trouble. Do not give up at that stage. Push into defining forms. Keep working at it until it doesn't suck.

Ear is obviously just not done. Would have taken two minutes to at least bring it to the same level as the nose.

Eyes are over-detailed relative to the rest. For some reason every /beg/ artist (and God knows that included me) starts off doing OK eyes and fuck all else good. Grind the parts you can't do well, ignore eyes for a while.

Mouth is half-way between symbol drawing and actual drawing. Need to really grind anatomy and defining forms there. Look how it seems connected to the rest of the face on the underside, but then almost floats above the surface on the top edge.

Torso, shoulder, clothing, all not done. I know it gets boring, but if you fill the entire canvas and draw everything there, you will improve faster.

>>4581278

Thanks buddy!

>>4579877
I like this one, although it suffers from the classic /ic/ issue of being half-done. Push the rest to the standard of the face and it will be good.

>>4580148
I dig it, although shading isn't adding much so far. Hopefully that will come together a bit as you work on it. The thumb of the right hand looks a bit weird. Is she wearing latex gloves?

>>4573077
Colours aren’t bad. But you should try using the lasso too to get crisper edges and then just blend stuff out more.

>>4573823
Try flattening the image and playing with selective colour to get better colour harmony. The design is interesting but the colours just don’t help.

>>4581412
>The thumb of the right hand looks a bit weird. Is she wearing latex gloves?

Correct! Yeah, hands look a bit garbage though. Usually I sketch something out loosely and then I start going over it piece by piece with neater lines. I always leave hands last because I'm a handlet. I was actually going to push it out with the base pink colour and minimal shading though. You think it should push it more?

>>4580800
I'm talking about the nose bridge, the lips, the forehead.
I was just curious about the reasons why people do race swaps, wanted to get into their head a little bit but it seems you weren't doing it consciously based on your response.

>>4579949
I bet my last dollar Im better than you

>>4580457
Ill check out the perspective on her again, already made some adjustments

>>4577252
changed the design a bit

>>4581331
Thank you! I'll try to do better next time.

Current drawing
I had trouble with the arm in the back
I like the arm on the front, looks elongated

glad to be done

>>4582223
I really like the that every character has a different reaction it shows a lot of care and though was put into this piece, pure soul.

>>4582226
Tyvm!
although I would like to clarify that there was not a lot of thought or care however I did put about 3 days into it.

>>4582199
Same anon, I feel her eyes are a bit weird, but I can't tell why?

Reposting in the correct thread.

I think I overblended it.

>>4582325
You did. Go in and sharpen up some edges

>>4582273
idk who this is but to my eyes it looks like the center of her face vs the point of her chin create an awkward perspective that the eyes dont follow.

>>4582223
Friend of my dads wants to buy this off me. I dont really want to sell it. What should i charge?

>>4582017
I like this at least 68% more than the previous ones, particularly because you broke the silhouette.

>>4576931
Easy fix: remove the safety

>>4579285
same

I need color guides in general

>>4582522
Make a high quality print of it. Don't sell the original.

>>4582661
He specifically requested the original

>>4582751
Get what you feel it's worth parting for. It looks like something you'd see from old 40k/WaHa Fantasy and D&D books before everyone started turning to digital mediums. I'm gonna try my hand at something like this.

I try to improve my pixelart, im lost and i dont know what should i do to actually improve

>>4582751
Get a good scan of it first, at least

>>4582809
Looks cozy. Less is more

>>4582223
blog?

>>4582522
size, medium, sale history?

>>4582809
This might seem counter-productive to the style, but try studying references, or drawing it in different styles.
Some things I notice:
Snow on roof looks like it has a sharp horizontal edge. I think it should be rounded or vertical.
Snow on ground seems to rise in sharper peaks than snow should, unless there is something under it (in which case, define what is under there, maybe some snow-free vertical surfaces).
Ends of the logs at the front should be in deeper shadow, possibly lost entirely.
Smoke probably shouldn't come to a point, let it go all the way off screen. Probably doesn't need to be shaded.
Chimney look suspiciously like wood.
Wood looks very brown considering the lighting. Could be even more desaturated.
Trees in background seem too detailed. Could be simplified to big blobs of snow and darkness.

>>4582809
This looks tight, maybe a bit plain but it just works imo

>>4582199
I think your issue is that while the arms are obviously deformed for the sake of style, they still need to both be deformed in the same way. At the moment the right arm has an elongated humerus while the left arm has an elongated forearm. You need to move the elbows to be at the same point on each arm.
Other issues:
Hair doesn't make sense to me at the moment. She's got some kind of braid running diagonally across her forehead? Or is that a strap from her hat?
Mouth is doing that classic cartoon thing of looking like a symbol floating on the face rather than a hole cut into it. I think the main problem area is on her right side.
Sword doesn't seem to be on the right plane considering how she is swinging it. Needs to rotate so there is edge alignment along the direction of the blow.
You need to figure out that foot. Having a good strong push against the ground / some scenery would give a real sense of power rather than dull weightless flying through the air.

Took a long time to make,I’m rather proud of how it looks,thoughts?

>>4582751
100% sell it. So long as you've got a HD scan of it for prosperity it really doesnt matter whether you have the original. Always treat your art as disposable because you can always create better.

>>4583529
Is it meant to be pixelated like that? I can't really tell what I'm looking at. Couple of skulls, a leaf and some water?

>>4582624
68% is pretty specific

>>4582809
My biggest issue with it is the hard edge of the snow on the roof and the shape of the smoke coming out the chimney. It should be pointier towards the chimney and wider near the top as smoke spreads out as it leaves the chimney.

>>4583596
It’s a Bach made out of skulls, still a newbie at pixel art tho

ah fuck it I;m just gonna scribble for digital

>>4583947
Nothing wrong with that. There's obviously a lot more that could be done to push this piece further, but the basics are solid. I appreciate that you have filled the canvas and not lavished too much attention on any one spot.

>>4583529
Neto

>>4583590
I've been told differently by one artist, at least to not sell the best of your works. But I agree more with you, especially if it's not likely they could be sold for more later.
>>4582223
I see the effort but tonally it's a mess (I'm not saying that to discourage you). It's actually easy to fix. In short, compositionally speaking, in your picture there should be areas of rest and areas of detail, and in your case areas that should be a rest for eye are filled with detail (background has cross hatching). They are sitting in the dark, you shouldn't be afraid of all black big areas. Everything is midtone and all the details are lost because there's too many of them. Even white parts don't pop because there's not much contrast around them. With a dimly lit scene like this light source should be easily identifiable (pic rel is more extreme but you get the point). You should mix up white silhouettes on black background with black on white, ie could have made a guy in a black clothes pop out on lighter background and his white head come out more on darker part. Overall, either do the scene in a way of pic related, or have it compositionally play more with silhouettes. How to do it, is do a sketch first in just white, grey, black, not doing any cross shading. You've put effort in all these details but what's more captivating to eye is tonal composition. You make only crucial details pop and omit the unimportant rest. Especially you should avoid details in shade, as it works against creating illusion of space. As a guide you should decide if your picture is dark or light, or at least decide which tone is dominant. If you take 50% of black and 50% is light your picture is gonna be tonally confusing, but if you make black a majority, grey minority and a bit of white for most important details it's gonna be more tonally captivating

>>4582223
>>4584165
So in short conclusion, if you plan your work tonally you may omit most of the details, save time and by working with contrast make your composition more captivating. Because right now the person looking at the pic is lost, doesn't know on what to stop an eye on

>>4584165
I feel like it the same but with more empty space. What we a looking at? at globe. but it is boring. so we start wandering around same way as on his picture.

>>4578952
>>4578948
TYVM anon! i knew something about the limbs felt too short but i couldnt put my finger on it.

I thought i was doing okay but now she looks like a gremlin.

How do I fix the right side of her face and how does hair work?

>>4573720
Ian curtis lit

>>4578626
The line from her bellybutton up to her chest (linea nigra maybe) is not aesthetically pleasing to me nor is it a form that I associate with marine life.

Other than that I appreciate the reference to Ariel's thingamabobs with the phone and the underwater light shimmer is a nice touch as well.
Even the decision to have the colors more skewed towards an underwater blue gamut is wise which brings focus to the contrasting phone and the storytelling.

Pic related is a drawing I did for Mer-May too

>>4571698
sup bros

>>4584245
I wrote more about tonal distribution and readability than pure composition, which was clearly rushed.
The characters in my example are easily distinguishable and still would be if you turned it into grayscale. If you could record how the eye observes the picture it would move from face to face without distractions. You don't end up being confused about some random body parts, suddenly realizing there's another character hidden etc. The composition itself is basic but reads well. The shadows hug characters and make their form readable. It's not the one and only solution, he could have come up with different tonal compositions that could've been readable too, what I'm saying is that he spent three days drawing details of every character while it only hurt readability of the picture and made everything look mostly like a same tone

>>4584174
nah i know i didnt organize composition at all, no thought put into shadow shapes. the underdrawing was done in an hour, the point of the piece was to just get something actually finished no matter how much i hated it and shake the rust off. Not a good piece to showcase my skill but i'm still happy to have drawn something lol

>>4584495
This is a weird piece. It kind of looks almost AI generated, with that weird transition from clean and mechanical to uncomfortably organic on the top of the plane. The heavy edge lines which are lost in areas of deep shadow (like the bottom of the tires) reinforce the effect; exactly the places an AI would not think to put the edge that a human knows should be there.
The design details, the confident forms, the smooth flow of the lines, the subdued palette and the subtle texture combine to make it a good piece in many ways, but the top of the image has a lot of issues. There seem to be many wrinkles in the surface without any purpose and those (eyes? lights? lenses? pustules?) on the nose look crudely pasted on.

>>4585957
looks like he added CA, grain, and a diagonal noise filter after drawing it. blech.

>>4576399
And it's almost over now, didn't touch it for the whole weekend, will also add a shadow.

>>4571698
Hey! I'm hoping somebody will read this. I'm using Michael Hampton Figure Drawing to learn to draw figures (duh) and I was wondering whether anyone can recommend a book focusing more on face parts in a similar vein or other similar books.
Thanks a ton!

>>4587844
Wrong thread, friend, but try:

Burne Hogarth, Drawing the Human Head
Carrie Stuart-Parks, Secrets to Drawing Realistic Faces
Andrew Loomis, Drawing the Head and Hands
Jack Hamm, Drawing the Head and Figure
Giovanni Civardi, Drawing Portraits

All should be available via the artbooks PDF thread or on Library Genesis.

any KID specialists want to check my KID proportions

>>4591884
What the fuck is even happening here? The girl with the knife seems to be sitting down next to the PoV character, but there's some kind of big fight going on... does she not realise what is happening behind her, or is she recovering from being knocked to the ground or something? Why is she holding her knife in a really weird way? Why does she seem so expressionless in this apparently dramatic moment? What is she meant to be wearing? Some kind of t-shirt and culottes?
Is the guy by the door shooting an arrow at her? It seems to be too low considering their relative positions.
What's with the couple falling out of the window? Why is there a big square window there which seems really easy to fall out of?
Do your fantasy buildings have random buckets of fire attached to their walls? I know that every fucking fantasy movie (and quite a few historical ones) ever has gas-fuelled buckets of fire attached to walls all over the place, but it honestly looks pretty stupid.

>>4591884

Fumbling around trying to figure out painting/value after being a lineart fag for way too long. Any critique appreciated, even nitpicks.

>>4587817
That came out really cool, my man. Love all the detail.

>>4589251
Noice. Seems pretty on point for kid proportions. Only thing I'd really point out is that his right leg seems to attach directly to his beltline. Not enough space between bellybutton and crotch basically. But I dig it. I'll be interested to see what's going on in the full pic.

>>4591947
>>4591989
Pyw bro :)

>>4591884

>>4572766
>>4572779

here some problem I noted. please note i don't pretend to be super good, but I think that can help you.

0) please fix your chicken scratching (yes my red lines are not super clean either). have some confidence in line.

1) if the pillar is extruded from the wall at the bottom, it should be the same at the top. this kind of detail really add a lot to sell the space when they are consistent.

2) your character should be positioned on the perspective plane. use the Michaelis rhombus to help orient the ass and spine and give spatial indication.use the hair to reinforce the gesture. use highlight to reinforce form. please think of where left arm and leg connect. the foot can give ton of information on the orientation of the leg, even if you can't see the leg.

3) as other have said your vanishing points are close, which means that you will have ungraceful distortion. it's good practice to put them outside of your drawing. the further away, the less you will have to think about the distortion. every object should be constructed following your perspective. the pot of the bottom is in the distorted zone and almost need the introduction of a third vanishing point to be correctly constructed. the real question is why did you put a pot on the foreground at the center of the picture. there probably a better composition.

4) keep in mind the orientation of head and face, and build your body proportionally to your head. the spine, scapula and Michaelis rhombus all help you build and orient the back. for the belts, in doubt, choose a simple approach that reinforce the shape. again visual clue add up and really sell the space for you. also your back is a bit short and your arms a bit too fat. for the sword, don't complicate your life with a weird perspective, put the sword on the other side and clarify the situation (sword are generally on the non dominant side anyway).

hope that was of some help.

>>4592181
tried to make things feel more cramped and focused on the killing, you can put smoke at the bottom of buildings, put a big ass moon in the background for backlight, dunno, my drawing is bad either way

Current wip. I'm trying to draw intricate machinery but it's tough.

I got told to not post in /beg/ so I suppose this is the right thread?

Anyway, I need critique specifically on the values. I look at this piece and can't help but feel there is something very wrong about it - and I'm guessing it is the values, since the proportions seem in place and also the head structure. Also, how do you organize your values on a portrait painting? I feel like I've rendered details before getting a solid grasp for the whole thing and this is fucking me right now (like the eyes and lips).
And how do you finish a piece? And I mean the refining part - how do you know which edges are supposed to be blended and which to be kept?

If you've the eye for any other inconsistencies however, I'd appreciate you point them out.

>>4592807
This is the reference I'm using.

>>4592810
This is the sort of finished look I'm aiming at but have no idea how to reach.

>>4592850
Colours are nice but it’s a bit over rendered, try to avoid zooming in when working

>>4592940
Good anatomy, irritating linework but probably compensating for how awful it is to work digitally, and poor understanding of the skull. Also the lower leg is too short, it’s not gonna be foreshortened so it needs to be about as long as it would be in flat perspective.

>>4592812
shit taste

>>4592963
Better?

I still suck at drawing eyes. How did I do?

>>4593185

>>4593188

>>4593188
here some idea to improve your eyes. I was lucky to have a somewhat similar reference.

1) don't be afraid to show the eyelids (both top and bottom), they help a lot to position the eyes.

2) the eyebrow, even when cut, should be used to suggest the arcade of the eye socket.

3) the pupil give the direction of the gaze and should appear clearly. when looking at something the pupil are slightly turned inwards towards the nose. woman sometime tend to have a slight divergent strabismus (men tend to have the opposite) so perhaps your model had one too. if that the case, use the pupil to counterbalance it a bit for a natural look.

4) the upper lid of the eye cast a shadow that should be noticeable and tend to fuse with the iris. makeup might change the darkness around the eye, but that shadow is always here.

5) eye lash are great to reinforce the roundness of the eyes.

6) looking at your three drawing, you tend to draw your eyes too big, which in turn make them bulgy. keep that in mind and don't forget the eyelid

on that note, I'm curious, do you have big eyes ? my drawing teacher told me that we often tend to put detail of our own face into portrait (and sure enough I have to watch for my big eyes and non existent chin on every portrait I do).

Some days I wish I could accidentally make finished pieces from doodles like before.