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>>4559943
Sometimes.

>>4559943
Why can't Americans just not fuck up everything they touch?
Is there some kind of disease that only exists in America that makes everything you touch turn to shit?

>>4559988
Jews

>>4559988
>no culture
>hypercapitalism
>constant need to impress others
>over the top individualism
>always want awesome results now

>>4559988
having the balls to leave a proud signature in the bottom

>>4559988
I like how you posted an argentinian to make your point, that's some heavy America derangement syndrome.

>>4560207
The argentinian is the artist, the writer is an american.
The argentinian just got contracted to draw what the American tells him to draw.

>>4559943
gomics?

>>4559943
AMERICA BAD
NOT AMERICA GOOD

>>4559943
No

>Is there some kind of disease that only exists in America that makes everything you touch turn to shit?

Yes, it's called """SJW""" or "far left politics" and no, it exists in other Countries.

>>4559988
>that only exists in America
Unfortunately greed and stupidity are universal. They are just more acceptable in the USA.

>>4560523
>jim lee mass produced soulless pinup #78639487593
trash.

>>4559988
they let the big two span too much of the american comic market and now the big two got taken over by a faction that is hostile to fans. this is the end result. hopefuly the kung flu is the last nail in the coffin before the american comic market starts pushing out some real content that people actually want to buy.

>>4560153
>no culture
Bullshit, this is what the jews ant you to belive

>>4560523
>Yes, it's called """SJW""" or "far left politics" and no, it exists in other Countries.
In most other countries "left politics" means not working for starvation wages and universal healthcare. Not that SJW shit doesn't exist, but America is ground zero for this shit.

It's identity politics, and it's at home in capitalism, where it allows corporations to virtue signal and target market (which is why it makes such sterile art).

>>4561032
>America is ground zero
No, that's Brussels.

>>4561032
>where it allows corporations to virtue signal and target market (which is why it makes such sterile art)
what does that have to do with how sterile or not sterile the art is? >>4555506

>>4560549
such beautiful culture :)

>>4563439
It makes for sterile art because it's based off of moral posturing and calculated marketing instead of an undiluted vision.

Not sure of your point in linking to Russian socialist realism, but I do find many similarities between the 'art' approved by the Stalinist regime and Marvel movies. Both have idealized, heroic figures defending the nationalist status quo.

A genuine socialist art can be better found in the British Arts and Crafts Movement, reflecting the artisanship of the working class in the face of increasing industrialization.

>>4559943
yes

>>4563777
It is beautiful. It is capitalism, what makes humans flourish.

I rather look at that than religious medieval european crap.

>>4563868
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRSKf9OfVu4

There is a reason why the best jap artists look at Europe for inspiration and ignore burgerland entirely. Your country Is the tumor of the world next to China.

the best western comics are don rosa's donald duck comics, so no

>>4559943
YES

>>4559943
Stuff from the /beg/ threads > american comics

These days american comics are from a technical standpoint horrible on top of having negative soul

>>4563897
Moebius was inspired by Crumb and Miyazaki was inspired by Moebius. Checkmate.

>>4564019
Find me someone in /beg/ who is better than Jim Lee, Greg Capullo, Daniel Warren Johnson, James Harren, Mike Mignola, Farel Dalrymple, Eric Canete, Joe Mad, Cary Nord, Ryan Ottley, Javier Fernandez. Sara Pichelli, Chris Bachalo, etc. The list goes on and on. You obviously don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

>>4564027
>Jim Lee

>>4564043
Is there someone better than Jim Lee in /beg/? No? Then shut the fuck up.

>>4564027

I don't think anyone here actually reads american comics past the big two.

>>4559988

Case in point.

>>4564027
Are you the butthurt western comic colorist poster?

>>4559988
Asians have self discipline, mechanical skill and quantity
Europeans have innovation, creativity and quality
Americans have...?

Is sandman by Neil Gaiman good?

>>4563777
Reminds me of Crumb's takes on modern America.

>>4564127
Yeah definitely worth a read

>>4564090
Nope, idk what you’re referring to. I personally don’t like how comics are colored and prefer B&W, I was just pointing out that there are plenty of American artists who know how to draw at a high level and it’s retarded to assume a beginner could draw better than them.

>>4563868
Shut up, Ayn Rand.

I hate how the comic shops in my local area are nearly filled with American comics, and hardly anything else.
Theyre everywhere to the point of saturarion. All of the styles blend in together too, and if you dont like that, you have Naruto, Pokemon or Bleach hogging up the shelves instead. Theres practically nothing else.
Anytime I check out what sells out in Europe, there's a much more interesting variety of graphic novels to choose from.
I dont even like any of the Marvel or DC shit but anytime I ask for something different that originates from Europe, people in the shops just look at me in confusion or secretely start judging me as if Im some kind of bloody heretic.
And Im being polite too: all I ask is for something from Europe to read from and everytime I do, they just say "Oh, if you like something from there, just tell us and we`ll order it for you :)"
Its like, you guys are missing the whole point. Your only promoting two companies at the expense of others ,all because you truly dont really care about comic artists because you dont want to encourage other comic artists to break in. Assholes just like the monopoly on the industry because its easy money for them. And their fanbases have no problem with it either. Its really degrading for someone who knows others feel like they cant do anything else but superhero shit because America dictates whats a comic book or not.
Real sensible.

>>4559943
Cavemen drawings > Everything else

>>4565966
Make me, faggot.

>>4566167
they sell what sells
it's a big of a chicken vs egg situation, but at the end of the day they're losing money if they give shelf space to yuroshit

>>4559943
MOEBIUS 1 HAS ARRIVED

>>4564101
Freedom

>>4559988
>Why can't Americans just not fuck up everything they touch?
I am going to mention something kind of funny as a second generation Euro in America. The art that usually looks like shit is from the Tumblr/LGBT crowd. They were always taught that there is no universalism in beauty and that everything is good so as long as it does not conform to what one is considered normal and universal beauty.
>Is there some kind of disease that only exists in America that makes everything you touch turn to shit?
Yes on one end of the stick you have hyper moralists who like to co-opt things in the name of good and fuck everything up. Comics industry is centralized due to huge amounts of hyper regulations and also because the teachers no longer teach good art but instead the cookie cutter CalArts that everyone in the West uses. Then on the other you have the types who obviously hate it but fall victim to drama and hyper puritanism or other stupid things and nothing gets resolved. Its sad we DO have talented people in America but the whole issue is they are not talented in other areas like running a business, dealing with people, PR etc. So it just fucks itself into the ground.

>>4563897
That's partially false. I would say Japanese like the 1980's America and also the old America that had Mickey Mouse and various other Warner Brother/Disney stuff even the waitress's and Diner Bars are notoriously American as is the whole Cowboys and Indians thing. Even Thundercats and a few others were solid for it's time. When America is great it can rival the world, when its shit, it makes itself look like a 3rd world country with its low standards that keep becoming worse over time and lacks an identity due to not focusing on beauty but pandering to the lowest denominator which is what is going on now.

>>4564101
>asians notorious stealing american IP
what did asians mean by this LMAO

>>4566167
>I hate how the comic shops in my local area are nearly filled with American comics, and hardly anything else.
I can agree there needs to be competition in order to wake America up but due to the regulations and centralization that becomes difficult.
>Theyre everywhere to the point of saturarion. All of the styles blend in together too,
That's what happens with centralization, one long nosed editor can decide what art can be approved or disapproved rather than having freedom of choice.
>you have Naruto, Pokemon or Bleach hogging up the shelves instead. Theres practically nothing else.
They only pick the popular stuff of course. Nothing obscure or niche.
>Your only promoting two companies at the expense of others ,all because you truly dont really care about comic artists because you dont want to encourage other comic artists to break in. Assholes just like the monopoly on the industry because its easy money for them.
Well that and they are bought and sold 20X over by the same two companies thanks to regulations and being unable to have anyone break in.
>And their fanbases have no problem with it either. Its really degrading for someone who knows others feel like they cant do anything else
Well if there is an app or a subscription service or a site that can sell Euro comics it would be a nice start. The only places i do think that might have different styled comics from Europe last i checked was libraries that are on the higher end.