/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4543986
Op is a faggot

>>4543987
A talented one who has been drawing since he was eight years old

>>4543986
even if talent exists with akianes case, she still got mentored to even make something actually decent so.

>>4543986
Frogposters are ngmi

>>4543991
>eight years old
Low IQ detected.

Proof of talent is not drawing non-stop since childhood, proof of talent is making it quickly after starting later in life.

>>4544007
https://akiane.com/

>>4543986
>making an entire thread only to get white pilled by the legend himself

>>4544007
>playing cello non-stop since childhood is not a proof of talent
Do americans really? Russia have the best musicians in the world and they all start with six years.

>>4544020
I'm not american you cretin. They're not pros at 6 years old and most get good when they reach a certain amount of hours after repeated practice. Sure, talent exists but STARTING early has never been proof of it, BEING REALLY GOOD SOON AFTER STARTING early is, which is why most who are pros did in fact start early? Why? I'll explain it to your brainlet self: because since they were talented, they did not get demotivated seeing how successful they were, compared to their peers who also started early but eventually stopped since they were demotivated due to poor results.

>>4544020
I'm not american you cretin. They're not pros at 6 years old and most get good when they reach a certain amount of hours after repeated practice. Sure, talent exists but STARTING early has never been proof of it, BEING REALLY GOOD SOON AFTER STARTING is, which is why most who are pros did in fact start early. Why? I'll explain it to your brainlet self: because since they were talented, they did not get demotivated seeing how successful they were, compared to their peers who also started early but eventually stopped since they were demotivated due to poor results.

>>4544041
Every musician playing in large orchestras and every of the great artists in Europe started as a child. Same with chess grandmasters and professional athletes to scientists. Why does this fact trigger you so much?

>>4544047
Most pros start early, that's a fact, yes.

Now, let's simplify it for low IQ mouthbreathers like you who don't know how to interpret this fact:

10 000 kids start early
200 are talented
those 200 inevitably go on to become pros
among the 9800 remaining kids who started early, 9000 eventually gave up
thus 800 non-talented became pro also
in total, 1000 became pros among the 10 000

Understand?

>>4543986
>if you don't see progress after a month or drawing 2-4 hours daily, don't bother and give up

>>4544047
>>4544051
and people in general start early, forgot to specify that, those 10 000 represent 90% of people who "start" at all, so of course the percentage of pros among those who started later get even smaller when you consider how very few of those who started early even made it

>>4544047
>>4544051
>>4544070
and there's also the fact that the overwhelming majority who start later are not willing to put in as much effort into it and literally don't even have as much time as they would've had if they started early, which makes the percentages become very small.

Seriously, which man in his 20s already working a stressful job, having a social life, love life, being invested in a few other hobbies and seeing drawing as just "another hobby", etc. etc. is going to spend minimum 5 hours everyday to make it? lol, 99% give up after less than 3 months, of course there are very few pros to come out of the "started later" group.

You certainly most likely need to be special (social recluse and/or extremely passionate/obsessed) and/or talented to make it after starting later. So don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that "anyone can make it" because that's a lie, something even as basic as your personality could ruin your chances from the start.

>>4544051
Those 800 untalented became art teachers at schools it didn’t make a single dime with their art.

Art is a winner takes it all field. A Michelangelo or modern master is completely inexchangable against 1000000 average ones.

Your simply math only works for predictable fields like engineering or business, yet art is a completely different industry.

You seem to lack basic critical thinking skills and that’s why you lash out against someone who sees through your flawed logic.

Bending numbers to reinforce your belief makes your delusion only more permanent

>>4543986
OP you really know how to rile up the aspies on our board, huh?

>>4543986
IQ is real and there are so many idiots here it's funny how they proof eachother right.

>>4544095
>you can't make it unless you're Michelangelo
I shouldn't have wasted my time with you.
>Your simply math only works for predictable fields like engineering or business,
No, it works for outliers in general and, again, the numbers for my example are extremely simplified.
>You seem to lack basic critical thinking skills
no u
>Bending numbers to reinforce your belief
Says the one putting Michelangelo against a million randoms.

>>4544095
>you won't have made it until you'll have become Michelangelo
I shouldn't have wasted my time with you.
>Your simply math only works for predictable fields like engineering or business,
No, it works for outliers in general and, again, the numbers for my example are extremely simplified.
>You seem to lack basic critical thinking skills
no u
>Bending numbers to reinforce your belief
Says the one putting Michelangelo against a million randoms.

>>4544051
You've made the crucial mistake of assuming that the percentage of people who drop out is 98% of the total amount who started early.

>>4544114
You brought up no argument, which just shows that I’m right and you are wrong. Look at all Nobel prize winners and influential people: they started in their early childhood with great potential

t. physicist

>>4544020
>>4544047
>>4544095
>>4544131
Post your portfolio.

>>4544133
>Symbol drawing and no proper construction
Anon, ...

>>4544138
Post your portfolio.

>>4544133
>>4544138
>>4544142
Post your portfolios.

>>4544144
https://akiane.com/

>>4544051
>thus 800 non-talented became pro also
How delusional do you have to be that one becomes a pro if you only stick with it and have no talent. You are either extremely overestimating your own skills or live in such a dream world that is completely distracted from the real one.

Just google every fucking great artist and you will notice one pattern: they all start early, are more advanced than their peers and receive additional support from everybody.

Most people stop improving because they refuse to be uncomfortable.

That's why you see so many people drawing anime, and also why you see so many beginners obsessed with digital art.

>>4544133
This can’t be real. Why would you post that picture to destroy your own argument?

>>4544153
>he said and attached the picture of someone starting as a toddler
Never refuted

>>4544138
>>4544156
low IQ confirmed

>>4544159
No talent and no spark. Some artists in their teens can draw better than you

>>4544161
it's not my drawing and I posted it as a reaction image you brainlet

>>4544158
Let's see his sculptures as a toddler, shall we.

>>4544145
oh lawd!!! stop postin my portfolio or I ll f*ck you up you antichrist faggot!! this is a christian board an you are not souposte to lie here!

-Akiane

>>4544152
>becomes a pro if you only stick with it and have no talent
Read >>4544091
>You are either extremely overestimating your own skills
You don't know anything about me.
>just google the outliers and notice what you just explained to me
Consider lobotomy. Bye.

>>4544145
>>4544177
Do you think she will be THAT good if both her parents wasnt trained professional painters? Its clearly just a gift from God, r-right fellas?

>>4544180
They're typical non-talented envious losers obsessed with talent, they don't deserve attention.

>>4544186
My point is that they trained their child like a lil monkey and they blamed it on G*d and brainwashed her to believe so that she is one of G*d's chosen people. Thats rude dude, christcucks are retardead.

>>4544190
By "they" I meant the crabs ITT.
>they trained their child like a lil monkey and they blamed it on G*d
Yup.

>>4544190
dicipline. its the only way to make it. she is making millions and paintin all day. rest of her familly doin her marketing and stuff. i think she is happy

>>4544186
>man in 30s starting out detected

>>4543986
BASED

>>4544196
I am talkoíng about Akianes parents. Whats yore you glowies up to again? Just leave me alone jezz

>>4544198
Wrong but you wish you were actually starting at 30 with talent rather than plateauing right now with your mediocrity and non-talent, post your portfolio so I can have a giggle.

>>4544208
How small is your needledick?

>>4544208
Suck my hairy slavic balls you delusional crab

You can only go as far as your intelligence allows you to but you still can manage to improve

>>4543986
Wew good thing I have both then because I don't draw.

>>4543986
>nobody will ever look at your art like you look at your favorite artists

if you didnt start young you may still improve but it will be stunted and your art will never look naturally good, something will always look a bit "off" with it

>>4544318
then... why are you here?

>>4543986
Black pill here

Asian genes are objectively real, yes it's possible to get as good as some of the best asian artists, but It will take you twice the amount of time it took them to get there. Take Huang Guangjian He's easily on par with Craig Mullins if not better despite being like half his age (i've seen a picture of him before). They just learn faster and have better "shape language". Also is it even possible for a western Kim Jung Gi to even exist? (that's not asian) I mean Kopinski is pretty close but even he still has to use guidelines. I'll always continue to draw, since I don't want to be the best, But it's very demotivating sometimes, being in the shadow of our Asian gods.


https://www.artstation.com/gyhgjart
vs
http://www.goodbrush.com/

>>4544506
People need to realize racial and cultural differences are real. Everybody is ok to agree that blacks excel at sports, music and basically artistry but God forbids you admit some people might naturally be more intelligent or are better suited for intellectual tasks.

>>4544506
>Asian genes

More like cultural work ethic, and value of struggle as a part of learning.

>>4544533
>More like cultural work ethic, and value of struggle as a part of learning.
COPE

>>4544533
This is most of it. Westerners are really goddamn weak and complacent, goodluck competing with 16 hour a day working Asians while trying to practice "work life balance" and fearing burnout like its a death sentence.

>>4544533
>>4544552

>cultural work ethic,
What about asians that grew up in western culture, Pic related is asian from America?

>>4544190
>to believe she she is one of god's chosen people
she isn't a jew

>>4544554
Plenty of whiteys who draw that well from the West, most just don't focus on anime style.

>>4544551
Nope. If anything, being Asian can work against you creatively because of cultural conformity. But my God, they have a hell of a work ethic.

I teach in the US, and a huge issue we have is that kids only think they should try at something that they are naturally good at. Everything else is "not their thing."


>>4544554
Their families bring the culture with them.

Fuck maybe /pol/ is right about IQ and talent

>>4544161
>>4544138
Anon I'm sorry but that's a meem

>>4544287
Dickletism and manletism are issues that are foreign to me, try again sissy boy and now don't fantasise too much about choking on my veiny manly cock.

>>4544289
Truth hurts, doesn't it? Enjoy not being one of the russian "child prodigies" whom you wish you were, lol.

>>4543986
cringe toon world poster

>>4545023
Soooo, your dick is small, and being gay is something you've considered?

>>4543986
Genocide is real, genocide is real, genocide israel

Talent is real. Talent is real. Talent is real.

>>4545237
I entered my University art program with one semester of HS art classes on an athletic scholarships.

I graduated as the "best" studio art student.

Ok now why? I tried harder, and art students are lazy homos.

>>4544053
Are you serious or not?

>>4545250
Pyw

>>4545228
Sorry bottom bitch, you won't get to feel it throbbing inside your boycunt. Cope harder.

>>4545263

>>4545276
Oh. You're gay. That's a completely valid lifestyle choice. Good luck!

>>4543986
Jews control the world via central banking and are the best [greasiest] liars on earth

>>4545322
My skull and bones digits confirm my immaculate insight

>>4543986
>water is wet
Omg you must be some kind of genius.

>>4545317
>calls me gay yet brought up my cock out of nowhere
lol good luck with your lack of talent and plateaued mediocrity, little guy

>NOOOOOO!!!!! YOU CAN'T JUST START LATER THAN ME AND RAPIDLY SURPASS ME!!!! NOOOOOO!!!!! IF YOU HAD TALENT YOU WOULD'VE BEEN DRAWING NON-STOP SINCE YOU WERE A TODDLER!!!!! YOU'RE CHEATING!!!! IT'S NOT FAIR!!!!! NOOOOO!!!!!

The frustration of envious non-talented failures is delicious.

>>4545234
thought this was shrek from the thumbnail

>>4543986
>life is real

>>4544145
>age 5
>better than 90% of /ic/
lol

talent isn't real
anyone can become pro by just going to art school
/thread

>>4545278
That’s nice! You think you have no talent? Hard work and talent support each other.

>>4543986
appeal trumps over everything

>>4545878
This pretty much.

>>4543986
"talent" is not real because what is perceived as talent is the sequencing of what they have and or have been exposed to.

We all have a very unique sequence of genetic variation and the even the slight changing of that genetic sequence can change your ability to produce oxygen to be above the top 80 bracket or in the bottom 20 bracket.

Cognition is in the same branch because cognition is the antithesis of experiencing and creating logical sequencing. This is explained by simple logic we do such as A + B = C, if i can figure out C and B i can figure out A and via versa.

Intelligent movement in the muscles is part of cognition, if you make a choice to move from A to B you doing a cognitive act. Yes their are emotional ones but in humans they are rare.

If you are missing the correct cognitive sequences in your brain you will not be able to master a skill as fast as some one else because your brain cannot put your muscles into the correct places and produce the correct sequence.

>>4543986
>Talent isn't real
>If you don't have creativity you are the real NGMI
>Fundiefags are right
>Loomis did 9/11

>>4547026
Nor am i saying that IQ is a important factor because you may not need a high or low IQ to posses that cognitive sequence in your mind you just need to have that sequence be it many or a singular sequence. IQ just decides how long it takes but that does not make it a requirement

Both IQ and Talent do not matter in terms of drawing. Much like the rest of the arts it is Time over Exposure

Time being how much time you expend on the task for your brain to put the sequence into practice to be able to self teach and pick up on errors that you may have not been aware of.

Exposure being how the person choices to analyse the sequence they need for their art. In other words how your brain naturally breaks down the world they see around them and puts it back together to suit its purpose. Once you are able to understand your own brains logical sequencing of its expose then you can do cross comparison and understand what you should be doing right not what you are doing wrong.

>>4544009
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>>4547054

Now time and exposure are a 1:1 ratio of return. If you are not expending time to expose yourself to new information or insight you will not know what to practice upon. As much as if you do not expend time to practice you will never of exposed your errors.

IQ only helps you understand your sequencing and thus direct your practice and correct your errors faster. However talent is only a marker for the sequencing you need to build upon.

Their impact is relevant but their importance in the task you wish to master is not. For it only changes which rung of the ladder you have started on.

If you want to say i don't have X or i cant do X because i was never given X. Then maybe you are focused too much on what your errors are, not just of your art but yourself and need to guide yourself on what you should be doing and what you should be working on.

>>4547081
TL:DR

Nice cope, nerd.

>>4547095
Dude you fucking trolled that kid, fucking based bro.

>>4544145
imagine grouping your works by age
because being good for that age is the only redeeming factor about your kitsch trash

>>4547128
Crab cope

>>4547128
unironically this

>>4547252
post your cock