/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Some ground rules to start this thread and the next /beg/ threads off:

>No rules lol
FUN ALLOWED
/beg/inner posting is encouraged.
Every point of view is valid even if you were a day into art.
You MUST give advice and/or critique other people's work in order to have healthy interactions with each other so we all can make it.

>Before you post your work
1. It's true that the sticky is a bit outdated and most people don't care for reading it or even do the excerise of the upside down Stravinsky so if that is your case you've come to the right place,
people in here is waiting for you to post your work and give you proper advice. In that light, replies such as "grind more fundamentals" are strongly discouraged since it doesn't help anybody to get better.
We DON'T expect you to know what the general fundamentals are (gesture, anatomy, perspective, drapery, etc.), and we DON'T expect you to know where you can find resources to practice these subjects.
We are happy to provide you those tools in this thread.

2. DO POST your 5 minute sketches that you didn't put much thought into. It doesn't really matter if you're asking for a SPECIFIC advice on a specific subject. You might as well post no text whatsoever along with your work.
If you post a doodle and ask "where did i go wrong" or "how should I continue from here", meme replies such as "Loomis" are strongly discouraged, we don't make fun of one and other here.

Follow these simple rules or maybe not but always remember to be nice to /beg/s and the people giving advice at all times.

Some ground rules to start this thread and the next /beg/ threads off:

>if you are /beg/
NO FUN ALLOWED
Don't ever give advice.
You can relate and share your hardships with other /beg/s, but never give them advice.
If you MUST give advice, start the reply off with "I'm beg, but what worked for me is..."

>Before you post your work
1. Every person giving advice here expects for you to have atleast read some of the sticky, and that you already know what you should be doing to improve.
In that light, replies such as "grind more fundamentals" are perfectly viable advice.
We expect you to know what the general fundamentals are (gesture, anatomy, perspective, drapery, etc.), and we expect you to know where you can find resources to practice these subjects.
Sometimes literally the only good advice to give is to practice more and improve you technique.

2. DO NOT post your 5 minute sketches that you didn't put much thought into. If you do post them then make sure to ask for SPECIFIC advice on a specific subject.
If you post a doodle and ask "where did i go wrong" or "how should I continue from here", expect to get meme replies such as "Loomis".

Follow these simple rules and the generals will become much more productive for both the /beg/s and the people giving advice.

kek rulesfags absolutely destroyed

>>4531415
You are doing the lord's work

>>4531422
>>4531415
Uh Uhhhh hh . Um Uh Who do I believe???????

>>4531428
The real Arnold wouldn't die

I'm not very good but I tried my best

>>4531415
Based

Holy shit the rulesfag post got deleted.
The one time the jannies were actually unequivocably, undeniably based.

>>4531454
don't you know you can delete your own posts?

>getting aroused by gesture drawing
yeah i think im a gmi

drawng h ard

>>4530704
>>4530785
>>4530907
it's literally an excersize in draw-a-box retards, what a surprise no one here knows anything

anatomy

>>4531459
that's right. you're a great man indeed

>>4531460
/beg/

>>4531490
Not /beg/

>>4531495
Post your work.

>>4531495
/uberbeg/

>>4531512
Nah get fucked

>>4531415
Cheers mate, we always appreciate your support

what can i improve before i start polishing turds bros

>>4531519
not /beg/

>>4531519
add my penis cumming deep in her womb

>>4531519
Bro.. Blog.. tell me what you did to get that good

>>4531490
>>4531519
these don't look like /beg/ tier (which is a good thing), shouldn't these be in another thread?

>>4531519
Is this really yours or are you attempting to troll like that one idiot from /asg/? The style seems really familiar.

Always looks better in my head

>>4531532
/beg/ is the only thread where posting studies is encouraged.

I don't like these /int/ man, they act so smug calling themselves /beg/ raising the bar to /makeit/ territory.

just go to normal drawthreads.

>>4531490
god i'm curious as to whose method you're using, that looks like a mix of CGMA's analytical anatomy and huston

>>4531495
thats right. this is what a Beg loks like. ill never get to that not /beg/ guy's level in my lifetime

>>4531551
Gottfried Bammes.

>>4531555
i fucked up, meant Scott Eaton not Steve Huston
but makes sense since Eaton learned from Bammes' books

i'm the dude that fixed your fossa problem a few weeks ago and man you're improving :D good to see work paying off

NOBODY TOLD ME NOT TO USE THE WAND TOOL
EVERY THING IS PIXELATED AND UGLY ON THE EDGES NOW

>>4531575
Finished art is temporary. Drawing is eternal

>>4531566
Fossa? You might have me confused with someone else?

>>4531555
gime the book

>>4531582
i guess i might be, but that just means there's two of you out there; crit for pic related looks a lot like yours

>>4531588
Yeah, not me.

>>4531536
read the pixel joint book

>>4531575
calm down Anon just use he undo button

I already spend on it more time then reasonable with several redoing, making things less ambiguous most likely will make them more horrible
and it constantly giving me "princess with a sword listen music on a pier" vibes and this is bad sign.
It kind of close to what I was aiming for at least in lighting. What do you think

More Bammes from the weekend

>>4531625
It's too far gone now I have used it on 10 layers or so
I just erased the edges but it puts the shading
on top of the background

>>4531627
Bro.. youve been drawing for how long? That's no beginer..

Doodle between studies.

>>4531626
I like it

>>4531626
Real good Anon, I am genuinely impressed. Rendering all of this will take ages tough.

>>4531631
I'm as accomplished or even less so than any beg in this thread. I've been drawing since a child. Just symbol drawing for the most part so you shouldn't take anything from that.

This is the first year that I've forced myself to develop discipline and grind fundies. Starting with anatomy.

>>4531630
It' okay Anon, you live and learn you won't make the same mistake next time.

>>4531635
get out thread isnt for you. dont humblebrag, who cares what you think of your art if other people are telling you you arent beg then you arent.

>>4531639
Int threads are dead. Draw threads are mostly for pieces. I'll continue to post studies here with my beg bros

god I wish one day I could be good enough to be chased out of beg

>>4531661
not bad. 2022 should be your year out homie. keep it up

>>4531639
pyw. It's the only way people can point you out on how can you improve instead of telling other people to get out of /beg/

>>4531669
i didnt tell him to get out of beg for advice moron i told him to get out because he shouldnt be here

>>4531683
Before learning how to draw you should learn how to read. There's literally nothing wrong with raising the bar rather than lowering it

>>4531415

>>4531661
Sometimes it doesn't take that much for people to try to chase you out, you should be at the point where someone tries soon.

But if you can't wait that long.
Not /beg/, get out of /beg/ reeeee.
Got your back bro.

>>4531724
right bust has an eye light suggesting top right light source, but light seems to vaguely be coming from either bottom right in front of her and bottom right behind her.
does your ref have too much diffused light?

>>4531519
I'm a complete /beg/ so take this with a grain of salt but the area where the shoulder blends into the bicep seems a bit off. Her left (our right) horn positioning is incorrect and should be more lateral/father towards her ear.

>>4531413
what is your purpose for learning how to draw well guys?

Do you want to make money from this?

>>4531737
to impress girls and have the sex with them

>>4531666
>>4531724
thanks brah, we're all gonna mak it

>>4531732
Top right is correct, pretty sure it's just that one light-source.
Still hard to tell for me sometimes.
Her shoulder is really illuminated in the ref almost like a lightbulb and it bounces light back on her neck, jaw and the side of her face as far as I can tell.
I just indicated it lazily because I didn't want to take it further than a sketch.

>>4531758
Fo'sho brah

>>4531737

I've always wanted a physical book of my drawings to actually exist that I can point to as a sort of tangible record of my achievements. Don't care if its a book on my collected works or a comic book I wrote, just want to make something.

>>4531519

This is not /beg/. You may be the low /int/, but you're certainly not /beg/.

That background vase/jug is /beg/ as all hell, though.

>>4531737
its just a feeling man, like how you wanna masturbate. it feels good.

Anyone got advice for >>4531447 ?

I know I should stop chicken scratching but it's a hard habit for me to break.

>>4531627
Have you been using his Complete Guide to Life Drawing book? I'm not at the level to start learning this shit yet, but when I am I wouldn't mind giving Bammes a try based off of how well things are going for you

>>4531737
I really like making character designs. I'm told my designs are good, but the fact I can't make them look as good as they could on my own bothers me.

Also porn pays.

Actual super beg here, did the draw your hand exercise from keys to drawing. It was very hard, especially when lines transition from on to the other, me fucking this up is extra noticeable I’m the pinky. Pls no bully just advise.

How do I give the illusion that an object is falling ? Like it's just been dropped

I feel like I've overcome a slump, time to ramp it up and begin putting in more effort.

>>4531870

Best advice? Keep drawing. It’ll be tough when you start, but it’s like a muscle. The more you do it, the better it’ll get. Don’t worry if it’s not perfect, just keep drawing. In the start, it can be handy to draw only from reference, but start using your imagination to draw too.

Keep at it anon, I believe in you!

>>4531413
How is my loomis head sketch?

>>4531737
I wanna draw the pretty girls that randomly pop up in my head

maybe I'll make a few connections along the way

>>4531632
is that the MC from P3?

>>4531906
Try to use your whole arm, the lines look too wobbly.

can i get some feedback?
i think i fucked up with the left hand, also made the horse way too big, leg is also fucked.

the torso is so complex. feels like I need another 100 hours of study to get a basic understanding.

>>4531943
Aren't these old drawings? How about making more finished looking torsos instead of doing only the construction?

>>4531737
I have a good job plus i'm getting 2k/mo from the government. I want to draw for fun, to be able to create is just such a great and valuable skill i have ideas i want to put on paper

>>4531906
why are you drawing so slowly
use your arm, smooth quick lines man. did you not even do the most basic line excsize from half of these learning avenues?

>>4531943
dude seriously. stop trying to larp as a /beg/. you're failing miserably.

What what point should you stop copying and start drawing from your brain

>>4531990
It's ideal to do both simultaneously

>>4531990
I'll never draw from imagination and you won't force me to do it

>>4531966
If he's learning anatomy, a finished/rendered torso isn't gonna help.

I'm trying

Trying to improve my line art. Was using vector layers in CSP for my line art. Stopped doing that and it feels much better now. Hoping it looks better too.

I drew this...im not proud of it but someone told me to draw a kung fu dragon

>>4532005
Good shit, man.

>>4532005
You can do this anon

i thought i was following along fun with a pencil but after page 30 this book goes into 5th gear and i can't keep up
any tips on how to tackle this

>>4532003
It does help. You can't know the subtleties of skin over muscle if you only draw muscles without skin.

>>4532005
nice Asuka Anon, please finish this it looks really unfinished.

It's rather frustrating to know I lack the discipline to keep on being diligent but I end up getting fucking lazy and stop measuring and just eyeballing things. I end up massacring what could have been decent by my own standards.

>>4532110
pyw

feets

i drew this in mspaint and i did not even try to make it good but im posting it anyway

I didn't see a qtddtot so I'll ask here, were can I get good reference for haute couture with really extreme or flamboyant posing? Kinda like araki, also are there any good tutorials for a loose croquis type of drawing.

>>4532003
Not him, but putting a more finished look on your construction, even if it's just lineart with the construction lines erased, can give you useful feedback if your constructions are working for you or not.

>>4532226
Are there any art books for Jojo anime? That's probably a good place to get that kinda stuff.

i already lost count like 3rd maybe 4th week of drawing? Currently on Prokos anatomy course,girl on the right side is copy of Jung Gi work.

>>4532244
There's the jojoveller art book but I thought it might be better if I drew from life. Plus I don't even know where to get it.

>>4531415
Re posting this cause I don't know how long it'll take me to do another one

How much practice is required to have decent line control?

>>4532285
Why do /beg/s always think that there are some particular amout of time you should spent to improve
Different people improve differently

>>4532285
Usually 21hours

I've moved over to practicing figure drawing instead of portraits and I've seen considerable improvement applying the idea of drawing under a time limit and drawing faster than you're comfortable with to get in the habit of drawing more and not getting caught up in details.

Would the same approach work for portraits (or anything)? Is it better to sketch under varying time restraints (1 min, 3 min, 5 min, etc) or does that seem to work for only certain subjects?

>>4532114
Well, It's okay you gotta start somewhere. Did you use constructions or any kind of reference lines? because it's hard to have any kind of positive outcome as a beginner without using them

>>4532118
Based resource recicler poster

>>4532149
Well Dankers, for me the Lizard Girl is way better than Orion. I can't get past of Orion being this asshole tranny who is mean to his friends

>>4532226
I really really really this concept of conjoined people. Is this yours?

>>4532384
Doing another drawing, I did some bullshit construction. I know exactly why I fucked up, I was being lazy. Went a bit slower this time after resting a bit. This is WIP

>>4532400
orion isn't a tranny

>>4532119
based foot fetishist. they all look pretty good

>>4532405
Just give Lizard Girl the protagonist role Dankers

>>4532404
Hmmm, didn't realize how fucked the right eye is. Why can't I notice this shit when I'm constructing it. Damn this brain.

>>4532407
there isn't a real protagonist. also there are like 7 other characters

>>4532404
In comparison this is way better than the other one even if it looks flat but I'm not sure if you're trying to do realism or cartoon/anime

>>4531657
Based. People like you are really encouraging, it's fun to see what learning methods others use and their progress.

>>4531447
It needs polishing but i quite like it, it needs more shadows to look less cartoony.

>>4531937
You need to learn basic construction and proportions. Try to simplify the forms with circles/boxes, something that helped me so my drawings wouldn't end up getting cut by the paper lenght is to first make a rectangle in the paper and try to stay inside it.

>>4532438
Your work has so much soul although the eyes always creep me out

>>4532438
Did you cum on your drawing?

>>4531413

>>4531630
Quick select tool is better for that sort of thing, just be aware that you can feather the edge of you want a soft edge selection

>>4531534
i love it. i think you should color it.

>>4531495
>>4531524
>>4531532
>>4531639
>>4531989
Can you 'not /beg/' fucks leave. I'd rather have the ints who can genuinely give me quality advice over you ngmi gatekeeping fucks. Jesus, the absolute state that /beg/ is in right now is horrid.

>>4531814
That book is jumbled mess of excerpts from his books and student work.

I’m using his complete guide to anatomy. Purple cover. Over 500 pages. Best anatomy resource I’ve come across ever.

Cintiq 16
Y/N?

>>4532564
ngmi

>>4532645
lmao

how do people develop a "visual library" if i cant remember a pose a drew like 3 days ago

>>4532655
Draw it again. Doing it once won't work.

Life sucks

Chonky

No idea what to say except i'm shit lmfaoooooooo.

First time I try to do a value study before painting, any advice?

>>4532679
Life sucks

>>4532679
Draw with black ink. It'll expose all your weaknesses and you'll know what to work on.

>>4532695
ok i'll try that

blah. testing the g-tec c4

Can somebody tell me what this curve is?
Is it the errector spinae?

Le cancer anime girl.

>>4532720
I think the curve that goes outward is supposed to be the latissimus dorsi, but the position is off. Hampton drew the scapula too big and it messes up with the placement of the muscles. Look at the back of bodybuilders.

>>4532720
Looks like one of the muscles that go under the scapula, from the angleI think it's the rhomboid major.

>>4532720
central curve is the spinalus yeah, the downward curve would be the trowel-shaped scapula
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfiorcWqc_U

>>4532751
Yeah, you're right. The placement fits, but I don't think it's ever that visible.

>>4532764
1:10 for the rhomboids

>>4532474
resized

>>4532776
nice lips

>>4532747
>>4532751
>>4532764
I'm getting different answers here

>>4532816
Don't think too hard about it. The placement fits the rhomboid. Deep muscles don't matter so it's not any of them.
When you put your arm back like that the scapula pushes the fat and it creates a bump like that one. Hampton likes to draw fat as if it were muscles.
When in doubt always google real life reference.

>>4532564
honestly just leave /beg/ you'll literally get better criticism from any other thread than this one

yeah even though the trapezius covers the rhomboids, you could conceivably see muscle actions happening below. I'm able to project my scapulas out very far so some people may have more powerful rhomboid majors.

>>4532438

>>4531630
Draw on bigger canvas, after resizing nobody will notice

>>4531627
What muscle is this meant to be?
Latissimus dorsi?

>>4532850
Yes, it goes under the pits.

>>4532853
thanks

>>4531524
>>4531529
>>4531531
>>4531532
Retards

I'm trying to draw torsos using hampton for construction and landmarks. I don't think I'm doing it right. Any advice?

plz help

>>4532866
nice it reminds me of my art

>>4532857
Think of the muscles as 3d too. You're not following the perspective.

>>4532866
Define what are you trying to do.

>>4532857
I'm currently learning the torso as well so I can relate to the struggle.

I think one thing that has helped me is I started out by grinding the basic shape of the torso into memory. Doing so allows you to start seeing that base mass underneath every diagram or photo. That helps when discovering why muscles lay across the ribcage and back the way they do. I did studies like pic related for over 20 hours, the torso shape for me at least, is so difficult.

After doing that, I'd say study diligently and slowly, really learn the shape of the separate muscles of the torso individually before approaching them as a whole.

Lastly, Hampton's book is not an anatomy book. He states that himself. I'd suggest Bammes, anatomy for sculptors and others. The anatomy drawings are much better and more thorough.

>>4532871
my drawings look like shit, it has no perspective and i can't shade it

>>4532564
you're not gonna find any critique here, so what's the point

How do i come up with interesting poses?
I always end up copying them from somewhere.

retarded question but what's the point of learning all the muscles in the body if I'm just gonna be drawing anime girls?
They don't require that much knowledge of muscles.

>>4532891
>retarded question

well, at least you didn't lie,

>>4531635
>one year
I've been drawing for two seriously and I'm no where near that level.

>>4532902
what do you mean by seriously?

>>4532908
Like actually studying art (proportions, anatomy etc.)

>>4531627
Could you please tell me what steps you took?
What books did you go through?

>>4531413
Did some thumbnail character sketches today. I love doing these but when I blow them up and finish them they're not as fun :(

>>4532826
>>4532878
I agree /beg/s a shit show, no one gets good critique here because there's barely anyone capable of giving advice. I think ideally /beg/ should be dedicated specifically to both ints and begs so that ints can help ints as well as give direction or answers to begs with their comparably simpler issues but since that's an idealistic reality, i'd settle for 'not /begs/' just fucking off.

>>4532902
I've studied in the past. When I said this is the first year I've had work ethic, I mean it.

Prior to this year, I'd maybe study for an hour a day with half ass effort, go weeks to months without eat drawing and spent most of my free time playing videogames.

Since late January of this year, I've studied every single day. For the last month or so I've been averaging almost 30 hours of studying a week. I work a full time 9-5 job as well.

>>4532912
All anatomy I've been studying for the past couple months is from The Complete Guide to Anatomy for Artists & Illustrators by Gotfried Bammes.

>>4532918
It doesn't help that every time an /int/ thread starts either not many people post and get critique, or it gets filled with pretentious pricks.

>>4532923
Thank you, if you don't me asking did you buy the book?
I can't seem to find it in the book general on /ic/.

>>4532932
I bought it but only after finding a link for it through the /ic archive. A link was posted in this thread >>4530230

>>4532945
thank you so much

>>4532679
are you from the incel forum? you got better

You dig the pose? Perhaps it'll look better if I expand the canvas and create a scene

Haven't been drawing the last few days because of other things.

Any tips on perspective and lines?

>>4533019
Ref

>>4533019
Anon, I...

I can't stop symbol drawing

>>4533059
what's symbol drawing

>tried to draw a image from imagination
>couldnt even think up a pose
is there no wrong in using another artists pose as a reference. then continue to work from imagination until i noticeably get stuck on something such as the breasts or arms then use a reference?

MEET THE LAST MONSTER YOU'LL EVER SEE!
RAPTOR VIOLENCE!!!

>>4533071
drawing what you think you see vs what you actually see

MEET THE LAST MONSTER YOU'LL EVER SEE!
RAPTOR VIOLENCE!

>>4532866
If you want us to help you will need to tell us your problem more clearly first.

What is the best book/method for construction? I often find now that construction makes things more confusing, so I'm clearly doing something wrong.

Realized I don't have the energy to do all the foliage/moss, then linework for them, then shadows for whole picture. Need to find faster way to work digitally.

>>4532712
are you peter draws lmao

>>4531490
Hey mate do you have a blog or discord you have great lines.

>>4533189
You are doing something wrong, yeah.
Why does it make things more confusing? Can you post some drawings with and without construction?

>>4532005
are you afraid of the dark? the shadows are really not dark enough in my /beg/ opinion. but again, i am biased liking high-contrast drawings and photographs.

Here is my thot, pls don't be mean to her

Why do I need to learn muscles if all I'm going to be drawing anime girls?

>>4533369
Even on slender anime girls, there are certain basics that you need to know, otherwise they'll never look right. Traps, deltoids, calf muscles, etc.
However if you're just starting out with figure drawing you shouldn't get TOO into learning the muscles beyond the minimum requirements. If you can't construct a good simplified arm or leg out of simple cylindrical forms, then detailed knowledge of the muscles won't help you, and will likely just confuse you.

>>4533250
Looks like Lord Farquad

>>4532005
based AsukaChad. Try having more realistic shapes and shading in the hair. Right now it looks flat in some areas and doesn't have the reflectivity of convincing looking hair.

thanks for replies
how about now?

>>4532869

>>4533087
i think my style is too cartoonish and has a lack of depth, how do i improve?

>>4533505
Her nose looks like a botched surgery now and the lips are too purple. Study the neck anatomy more, it looks flat. Look at more references for the nose and neck.

>>4532277
>>4533082
I'm not sure I did justice to the lineart but here it is!
I feel like I overdid the rendering, these are supposed to be part of the same series but I the mecha doesn't exactly look like the guy. Well close enough.

>>4532277
>>4533082
I'm not sure I did justice to the lineart but here it is!
I may have overdone the rendering, painting this mecha with the same style as the previous page was hard so it clashes a bit

>>4532875
I didn't mean that. Define what your goals are. Who are your inspirations? Any artist your strive to become?

>>4532781
Thanks

When you're drawing a person out of boxes, you don't have to finish each box first and then move on to the next, you can just do one or two planes that you feel are absolutely necessary, and then complete them later. This is my understanding of Vilppu, but I don't think I've heard him say it. What are your thoughts?

how do I resize my thing before posting it?

>>4533579
it's good advice

>>4533594
ms paint resize tool

>>4533594
use snipping tool on the canvas

my second still life study.
Perspective is fucked, edges are fucked, and value are also fucked i have no idea how to make this right

>>4533513

>>4480117
>>4480117

First 5 folders of Vilppu Renaissance Course
until the concepts at least become distinct to you. Then Huston's Beginner Head Drawing. After, grind out gestures to build confidence in Vilppu ideas/philosophy and watch videos and read books intermittently. Follow examples, recreate them, and since it looks like you're on digital, absolutely trace them.

When you have sense of how the process should look and how someone could get to a presentable end product, but you yourself are unable to do so, simply watching others draw will teach you so much. Its kind of like a video game in that way imo, but I'm pretty /beg/ myself.

I've had enough now. I'm tired of being a beg. Where are my fellow /beg/s at? It's time we leave this dump and take our rightful places at /asg/ and /draw/. Stop posting in /beg/ threads and start posting in /draw/, it's time for them to recognize us as their equals.

>>4533703
Please use less values, the sphere looks nothing like the original

>>4533729
to be recognized as an equal, you must first be an equal

>>4533729
dios mio

>>4533729
>/asg/
Yuck. And sorry, I don't feel like posting my studies in /draw/

Plz tell me my drawings are pretty

>>4533729
that thing looks like it's gonna kill some beloved main characters

>>4533741
>implying us /begs/ and /draw/ are not equal
>>4533756
Don't be a fag and take your rightful place in /draw/. See you /beg/s there.

>>4532776

Super beg, but just wanted some confirmation that I'm doing the whole lines and ellipses thing right. Also wondering if it matters wether or not my straight lines are completely straight though I assume not

>>4532691
I'd recommend some anatomy study as well, but nice composition overall

>>4531413
How do I get into studying?
i want to start doing studies but i dont know how to start
and drawing after looking up stock images is really weird to me

going on /ic/ makes me really upset and i do want to get better at art and i think i am but i get sad seeing others at my age that are better than me, so I wanna learn how to study properly.

also if i am gonna start studying, ii like drawing digitally more since i have a tablet but would going trad be better for me?

>>4533711
thank you, i'll try it

Did a study of one of Xa's art pieces from his Easter set. Focused on simply trying to recreate the pic from eyeballing.

Taking a break then going back to grind more fundies.

>>4533513
>i think my style is too cartoonish and has a lack of depth, how do i improve?
What do you mean under "depth" as in a visible 3D form or depth in the sense variety/detail?
If you wish to improve the best was is to move out of your comfort zone and try new things. Draw things you have not drawn before, yes you will fail and you will suck but that is how improvement starts.

Anons, my brain won't operate in 3D. Perspective and foreshortening especially have always eluded me and I don't know what to do.

I tried to draw something here inside of 3D boxes but my brain just ended up removing all perspective in the process and creating 2D shapes on planes.

I figured maybe I'd twist around some Loomis mannequins but the empty spaces are just flat 2D to me, and I don't know how to twist them.

I'm ngmi anons

>>4533866
Good shit Anon! Xa's has a bit higher perspective on the torso but yours is pretty good as well. Will you color it?

my first stab at a comic page

>>4533872

Hey anon, thanks, glad to hear it at least somewhat looks like Xa's. I may try to color it, but most anons I've received feedback from say that my coloring is at an ok enough level already, it's mostly my fundies that sorely need practice.

>>4533864
Fellow beg here. I find my stuff looks way better digitally than it does traditionally. That's probably a bad sign. I think we should all start traditionally.

>>4533570
sorry for the misunderstood, i think my goals are to draw like @RunningPigeon73 or @FullMetalSketch, their drawings look way more "complete" than mine

>>4533756
Post your studies

>>4531413
Trying hard edition.

>>4533879
well i think my stuff looks better traditionally if i realy do put all my effort in
and i got back into digital art a month ago
and i prefer digital because it doesnt take up space in paper and wastes paper

>>4533871
With that attitude you're definitely ngmi.

We all start where you are lol Or at least close. Keep working. Unironically, for you, drawabox.com.

>>4531413
aww you picked my drawing for this thread ^^

>>4533871
The only solution is to OVERTHROW your brain and ASSUME DIRECT CONTROL!

Ok, on a more serious note you, your words make me feel like you are feeling guilty for not understanding this and thus you blame someone/something (your brain in this situation) for you not being able to accomplish the goal you have set for yourself and you need a scapegoat to protect your integrity and good intentions. Even tough if your brain would not be able to operate in 3D then you literally would not be able to perform basic tasks that require spatial awareness like grabbing an object before you with your hands.

Listen Anon, it is fine okay? IT IS FINE! It is fine to not be able to understand something. It is just frustration and hopelessness that talks out of you. You can this, do not give up! Just do more basic perspective exercises like boxes, in art school people draw just boxes for months. So do not worry just keep working at it, have faith that it will clear out.

Have some bunnies to cheer you up.

>>4533866
Could you link to the artist you got the ref from?

Halp

>>4533879
Don't be stupid. It looks better digitally because you're more used to digital than traditional. It could be the other way around.

>>4533871
>I'm ngmi anons

Seems like you've reached a dead end, which isn't so bad if you are aware of it. Try to develop an intuition for these things, even if its limited, so you can grasp why something isn't right. Then you can experiment with potential solutions. Draw the same thing 10, 15, even 20 times. Trace stuff. Use live models. When you run that out, revisit whatever you're trying to do now. By then, you'll have the experience necessary to relate concepts to past efforts. It takes a while man.

>>4533871
The one on the left is definitely on its way to looking 3D. Just gotta clean some things up.
A big part of foreshortening, and making things look 3D in general, is drawing forms so that they partially overlap, and the closer forms cover up and hide parts of the more distant ones. A lot of beginners are VERY hesitant to make forms overlap for some reason. Like, I already drew this shape, and now I don't want to mess it up by drawing over it, or something. But you have to.
Draw lots of cubes, draw lots of spheres, do the wrapping lines exercise on drawabox. Understanding wrapping lines was what really unlocked the idea of 3D for me. And try just drawing a bunch of simple forms where some of them overlap others, to get a feel for it.

>>4533594
you're asking... how to resize an image...
are you 14??
Jesus fucking christ the posts for the last few hours. Where's arnold

>>4533950
Why are you butthurt ?
I'm asking because when I reduce the pixels in photofiltre it increases the size of the file

>>4531737
i want to share my drawings with others. i'd love people to feel something when looking at my art. this would give me a sense like my life isn't pointless

>>4533868
i have a problem with 3D

>>4533959
You legitimately have room temperature IQ

>>4533970
Fuck off retard, go bug someone else

>>4533959
>not understanding image compression
>OHH NOOO what is the program DOIIINNGG
Do you even draw, kid?

>>4533970
good thing my room temperature is over NINE THOUSAAAAAAAAAAAND!!!!

>>4533979
I never said I don't understand compression I'm wondering how you reduce the image size without compressing it and not using a website
I draw you fucking autist, why do you think I'm asking that if not to post ?

Messing around with a scanner and photoshops filters (I dodged out a shadow in the book on the left so its faded sadly :()
Pic was supposed to be a quick concept sketch of some post apoc scifi nuns or something

>>4533911
Mistakes were made

>>4533995
this looks fun. my advice would be learn how to draw feet. you’re avoiding drawing them and in the long run marking where the head/feet will go while you’re in the planning stages will help you ground your figures and keep track of proportions.

I'm starting to understand, guys. Loomis just doesnt explain very well. At the beginning of the book he puts the nose right where two lines intersect, the eyes above and the mouth the same distance below. Then out of nowhere he starts to draw the eyes over the middle line, the nose below and the mouth at the edge of the sphere, but he doesn't tell you that explicitly. I was trying to follow the first instructions while trying to replicate the other constructions and that's why my drawings were round as hell.

>>4533988
>>4533979
Mom, dad, please stop fighting. Little Timmy will be scared for life

Wait so there isn't really a forearm and upper arm? It's just bones with muscles and tendons that attach to both randomly

>>4533967
to achieve more of a 3D look you simply need to add more details some way. This could be done by lineart or more shading to teh colors. For that you need some understanding on how light affect the 3D shape and develop that understanding. The better you get at that the more 3D and more realistic your art will become. You are using solid cell shading for shading which does makes it more challenging but do not let this discourage you.

>>4534026
idiot

>>4534034
Hey... :( I just noticed the bicep is stuck on a bone in the forearm

>>4534009
actually it was the classic 'not watching where I was drawing and running out of paper' thing, but yes, I also hate drawing feet lol!

>>4533967
>model what you want in 3d
>rig it and put it in the pose you want to draw
>copy the model and just add the details later
thank me later

>>4534036
That's only the tendon because the bicep has to lift the forearm, but the mass of muscles is only in the upper arm.

>>4533841
with a little contrast

>>4534026
for any muscle to move bones relative to each other it must be connected to both bones. What do you think biceps is for? Are you high right now?
separation of forearm and upper arm is the joint

>>4534032
where i can find material to develop my shading understanding?

>>4534123
watch on youtube anything about painting light and shadow

>>4534123
The best way for that is study light since obviously shading is the direct result of light.

I can suggest the Foundation of Light and shadow video series by Sycra, I think this explains this stuff in the simplest way possible for a beginner it is easy to follow and goes step by step.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLV2X3tgajVlHkH3FHxm3rLZWqScFTRhtv

For a shorter and more condensed video you could also try Istebrak's explanation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UydvG6Kf8bg

These explain the rules of light which is the first step to understanding it.

>>4534088
the coloring at the top half of the underwear is flat
tweak it so it looks more curved

>>4534155
thx

>>4534058
idk it feels kinda cheated

How ma i dogin brOs

>>4534123
this but with anime/cartoons

>>4533250
I really enjoyed your Bruno Bucciarati, thanks for sharing

Is tracing bad for studying?

>>4533221
yeah lemme sign your tits

>>4534234
Fantastic, just keep studying anatomy, linework, color, and other fundamentals and you can go far.

>>4534264
thanks anon. Maybe I finally did get a little better

So I'm trying to learn how to use a g-pen, but I can't get my lines right. I can't make a straight line to save my life. Are there any tips on using a dip pen to really get that smooth manga feel. Going from microns to g-pen is difficult.

I know my drawings aren't the best but I'm just trying to get straight lines at the moment.

>>4534336
copy more manga

>>4533907
This picture is so cute, it turns me on.

>>4533388
Ok but if I'm only going to be drawing slender anime girls do I need to go through anatomy for sculptures or a detailed anatomy book?

Not mine but is this /int/?

>>4534362
this is /made it/

>>4534351
I'm trying but like I said I'm having a hard time using the g-pen. I want some tips on how to use that properly. Are there any good resources on it?

>>4534351
Is it a good idea to just try and take panels I like from my favorite manga and try to redraw them?

Is that a bad way to learn?

>>4534336
>Are there any tips on using a dip pen to really get that smooth manga feel. Going from microns to g-pen is difficult.
Buy a 12-pack of Pilot G4 pens from Amazon, they're good for manga layout drawings. Consider buying Kaimei lettering sol, it's a matte black ink that Junji Itou claims to use.

*source: Toronto Comic Con interview from last year

>>4534417
I've been using deleter 4 black ink. Is that a bad choice?

New thread

>>4534422

>>4534430
That's pretty slick as well... but Pilot ink is probably better.

>>4534201
it's a construction technique like any other, what matters is the end result