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4519951 No.4519951 [Reply] [Original]

Are fundies actually required to make it?

>> No.4519954

generally yes, but you're cordially invited to prove me wrong

>> No.4519955
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>> No.4519958
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>>4519951
>That arm
Wait a minute.

>> No.4519959

>>4519951
Maybe, but what I know is that you're the type who asking dumb questions rather than making anything.

They sure aren't gonna help you.

>> No.4519960

>>4519959
I'm drawing right now, don't you worry!

>> No.4519963

>>4519951
Depends on what you mean by "fundies".

>> No.4519964

>>4519951
No but yes

>> No.4519966

>>4519951
>>4519955
Kuvshinov has masters in architecture btw, say what you want about him but he's got the fundies.

>> No.4519971

>>4519966
That's cg

>> No.4520001

>>4519971
The highlight really look like brush strokes, and the Japs are notoriously bad with software, they couldn't have a shader that looks like that.

>> No.4520003

>>4519951
Sieg Heil!

>> No.4520120

>>4519951
>is learning part of a thing i love and want to do for the rest of my life required?
jee i dont know. Unless you burn out hard and end up flipping burgers, whats the fucking point on not learning certain things about art? Even if you wont use it, it should be a thing you love, and asking if its required shouldnt be too difficult to answer, yes.

>> No.4520127

>>4519951
You need to draw more if you’re seriously asking this.

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>>4519966
Russian* masters in architecture, where the entrance exam is pic related tier

pic related is an entrance exam piece (top right corner stamp) for architecture in Kazan. Kuvshinov went to better school than that so the exam must've been harder

>> No.4520177

>>4520140
>Rated 60 out of 100

>> No.4520198
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>>4520177
here's a 40/100

these are also done 100% without straightedge, ruler or rope, all freehand

i wanted to go there but realized i'm not autistic enough

>> No.4520215

>>4519951
Not necessarily, but sooner or later all artists that never studied them reach the same conclusion. "I wish I studied fundamentals sooner."

>> No.4520217

>>4520140
Brutal

>> No.4520231

>>4520217
remember that the picture was most likely drawn by someone between 16 and 18 years old

>> No.4520232

>>4519951
Yes but no. And no but yes.

You don't need Loomis, or Bridgman, or Vilppu. But you will use construction even if it's your own made up way.

You don't need Norling, but you will use perspective even if it's by accident.

You don't need to learn color theory, but experimenting with colors will eventually lead you to the same conclusions about what looks good and what looks shit and what colors trigger what emotions.

/ic/ is filled with angry, spiteful losers who would rather see others lose than try to win themselves. It's also filled with autists and women. That's why it's so hard to get legitimate improvement here. People don't want to improve, they want excuses not to improve. You don't need the sticky, you don't need to study the fundies in any specific order or from any specific author, you don't even need to actually study them. Everything you need to know can be discerned from nature and observation so long as you actually want to learn to draw. With that in mind, use the available material as stepping stones instead of shackles to keep you down like the retards here, and you'll do well.

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>>4520232
This.
Also you will need the boxes for the construction, whichever brand you prefer, I legit made up my own. If you can't draw a box you can't draw a ribcage or a pelvis.

But I by all means invite you to try go on and try to start straight up with Hampton, you will fail miserably and come asking on the best book about boxes.

>> No.4520269

>>4520263

>But I by all means invite you to try go on and try to start straight up with Hampton, you will fail miserably and come asking on the best book about boxes.
lmao that's exactly what i did, right down to the book on boxes

>> No.4520280

>>4520232
I like this response anon.. mind if I reply to it?

>> No.4520284

>>4520263
>Also you will need the boxes for the construction
Not even, Reilly doesn't use boxes, Vilppu rarely uses them and the spirals method doesn't use em either.

Nothing is necessary, everything is just another tool, mix and match what works for you and you'll improve 10x faster than people forcing themselves to follow a system that wasn't developed with their skill set in mind.

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>>4520284
Vilppu says you're supposed to have got the basics down before you even star his course. Same for reilly, good luck starting at this shit if you don't have enough practice to draw simple shapes.

When I say boxes I don't mean literal boxes, I mean simple shit in general, like two houses next to each other in 2 point perp. You'd say "but that's not shitting dick-nipples I want" yeah, that's order of magnitude simplier than a human body, let alone the coomer body, with abs, detailed ass muscles and shitting dick-nipples.

>> No.4520330

>>4520232
This is the post of the year

>> No.4520357

>>4520318
True, my point is you don't need to specifically use box based construction, not that boxes aren't useful for construction.

The ideal is to learn every method and make your own out of the parts of each that better work for you.

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>>4519951
None required.

>> No.4520400

>>4520390
Man this shit looks like RWBY now

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>>4520400
Have some more.

>> No.4520427

>>4520390
That's fluid at.
Too bad the shading looks worse than an awerage sfm 2b porn clip but all animators who could do it in 2d have long died.

>> No.4520437

>>4520140
That just tells how important it is to not only have the memedamentals but to also actually invest time and effort into the medium you want to partake in. No pretty trad studies from 15 years ago will change the fact that this faggot still can not depict motion or design a character or that "manga" of his.

Copying shit in front of you is another skill altogether and they do not teach anything but that in Russia, though, granted, it's still more than they teach in american art schools.

>> No.4520445

>>4520437
>Copying
See >>4520198

The student gets the picture in top right corner and the task is to make the big one.

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>>4520445
Sure, just don't conflate it with a value study you posted just before it. Those are two different exercises.

One way or another, my point is that none of that shit they teach you in Russian academia will prevent you from embarrassing yourself with something like Pic related or that Proko dog or w.e.

Generic studies alone are never enough. You have to actively develop yourself towards the standards of the style/genre/industry you are aiming to work in.

That faggot never did. Don't assume that you will get away with it too unless you are willing to be as much of a creatively bankrupt lying scumbag.

>> No.4520528

>>4520409
>>4520390
3D Ilya doing this embarrassing shit
HOLY KEK The storyboarders are dabbing on him lel

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>>4520513
that anon is not me, but both of those are part of the entrance exam, you are expected to do both in the same day

third part is pic related, where you're supposed to draw multiple compositions of geometrical objects in perspective, and are tested for artistic composition

>> No.4520533

>>4520513
>Rendermonkey can't draw
Every single time without fail

>> No.4520543

>>4520513
Yeah his manga is shit.
But 90% of what he does is illustration.

>> No.4520548

>>4520513
Here's the thing tho, Proko and Illya are part of the current cultural zeitgeist for artfags, and you're not because, no shit, academic learning puts you closer to industry standard than self learning faster.

You're being reductionist and confrontational just for the sake of being a retarded vendettafag. Truth is there's absolutely zero detriment to going the Russian atelier route because the only negative is not being aware that the fundies aren't enough to pull off a stylized product and you're already aware of that and capable of complementing it with design and invention studies so there's fucking zero negatives then.

But you will keep barking against it because you hate the dudes, not because there's any utility or truth in your argument.

>> No.4520556

>>4520543
Look at that poster in OP of another thread. He's not even good as an illustrator unless it's a portrait of that one face or a direct 1 to 1 copy of a source image done by someone else. Never neglect your studies, kings.

>> No.4520557

>>4520409
>TF2 Parody video

>> No.4520592

>>4520548
I don't hate Proko. That dog he drew served an express purpose of making the same point I am making right now.

I am calling you a faggot for trying to present >>4520140 as an excuse for shit like >>4520513

Yes, Russian academy can be helpful. No it does not excuse any particular artist doing an extremely shitty job from being a hack. It does not matter what school you finished or how good your 15 year old exam works look if all of your current works are either shit or plagiarism.

This is the definition of crab logic with the only difference being that, unlike an /ic/ crab, you are using it to defend a genuine scumbag of an artist instead of yourself.

>> No.4520593

>>4520198
wait how come this got a lower score when its more complex and arguably more perspective accurate

>> No.4520594

>>4519951
why is she seig heiling the flower?

>> No.4520603

>>4519951
>>4519955
>Tracing 3d models
Yikes those hands scream 3d trace

>> No.4520607

>>4520593
different exam. pic 1 is direct study from reference, pic 2 is you get a technical scheme (top left and top right) and have to transform it into a 3d object in perspective. pic 2 is judged on your perspective skills (the ellipses are problematic), the technical accuracy (some ob the intersective boxes have vanishing point problems, and there is some unwanted 3point going on), and skill (these are freehand drawings; the person who drew this isn't perfectly technically accurate and her lines aren't perfectly sraight: look at the right box on level 2 and see how the top right corner lines do not line up)

these are all skills taught in art highschools

>> No.4520636

>>4520607
Goddamn the freehand stuff is absolutely brutal how am I meant to grind to that level

>> No.4520640

What are you defining as 'fundies'?

understanding perspective and volume is great but studying a human goes a bit beyond 'fundemental's and is vastly more important. There's a very high chance you will be drawing people or people like things the rest of your life. How you choose to do that is up to how you want to do it.

>> No.4520656

>>4520636
the paper is 60x40cm, or 70x50cm. I find easier to draw straight lines on bigger paper than on small. there are some cheats, like looking at the paper at an extreme angle and seeing closer the two distant points that you have to connect, and then drawing like that

>> No.4520668

Is it worth making it?

>> No.4520670

>>4520636
Just take your time, nobody is forcing you to finish it in 10 minutes. It's not nearly that hard if you actually give that particular exercise a week or two of proper genuine practice.

>>4520640
Fundies are a blanket term for raw basics of pretty much everything. They include anatomy too.

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>>4520390
>>4520409
I didnt saw neg gits. can somone explain to me what is going on?

>> No.4520698

>>4520390
>>4520409
is this supposed to be GITS?
what the actual fuck

>> No.4520720

>>4520692
I'd guess they are trying to shoot him in the leg to capture alive and he's making it hard for them.

>> No.4520727

>>4520720
but where is his penis? is he suposted to be a cyborg tranny?

>> No.4520740

>>4520692
I've seen every gits
I don't know what's going on

>> No.4520762

>>4520140
Are there examples of what a 90/100 might look like?

>> No.4520767

>>4520232
>it's also filled with autists and women
Enjoy your lesser life expectancy and bald spots, smegmatic scum. *hisss*

>> No.4520777

>>4520767
>bald spots
Bitch i'm bald like an alien and guess what, no girl can have enough of my balls, they see it they suck it, i used to feel bad about looking like a cancer patient then a girl started licking me all over i begun appreciating it.

>> No.4520787

>>4520001
There are good 3dcg studios in japan, the problem is they usually hire the cheap shitty studios (or do it in-house) as a money saver. Despite what people whinge about, most relatively recent fully 3dcg anime actually look pretty alright for TV productions.

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>>4520762
here's 94 and 96, I'll try to find some other too

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>>4520804
it doesn't say the score here but i looked up that year score board and she had 91 on the exam

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>> No.4520813

>>4520670
>They include anatomy too.

I reject the notion of anatomy being fundementals because they can take a lifetime to understand. It's one thing to name every muscle with its medical name. It's an entirely different feat to understand how those muscles bend and how you should draw them in an image you're creating from imagination.

Proportion would be more of a fundemental introduction into humans which is why it's where most people start.

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>>4520808
and this one was 100

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>>4520818

>> No.4520824

>>4520140
Jesus christ, I'm in architecture school in America and we didn't even have to do an entrance exam, much less something like that

>> No.4520827

>>4520813
when people say learning anatomy when talking about art, doesn't mean learning the names of every muscles and bone

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>>4520821

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>>4520692
>>4520698

>> No.4520865

>>4520390

This is a fan animation r-right??

>> No.4520869

>>4520863
Man he has no creativity

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>>4520863
There was someone who gave a critique before on only being good because of drawing the same thing for years, and here we have a point in case with somebody else that literally (unironically) draws the same exact 3/4 bob cut same saturated face exposed to blur effects and an assload of filters and look how far it's taken him.

>> No.4520906

>>4520824

How would you rate the level of artistry in your architecture’s school?

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>>4519951
>>4520863

>> No.4520937

>>4520928
TAKE ME BACK TAKE ME BACK https://youtu.be/OFxvkVLPpio

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you don't necessarily need the fundamentals but at the same time you kind of do

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>>4520928
Where the FUCK is the twitter uproar? He just LITERALLY raped a W*man!

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>>4520928
Is this irya chan's first boob touch?

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>>4520944
>>4520949

>> No.4520955

>>4519951
np, if you can just make your work look really polished.

as that arm looks really proportionally broken
the elbow should not be that close to the body and shoulder

>> No.4520964

>>4520949
He gropes! He didn't just push her off he LITERALLY groped xer! I'm so upset i'm literally SHAKING

>> No.4520968

>>4520906
I think it varies wildly, there are a lot of very talented artists and a lot of creative projects coming out, but there are also a lot of architecture students who are focused solely on the construction/blueprints rather than the artistic representation of them

>> No.4521409

>>4520809
Kek'd and saved.

>> No.4521645

>>4520140
The reason is that in Russia, you can start going to art school from the first grade of school as a separate thing, like sports. It's up to your parents, basically. So when you're 18, yeah, you would be able to pull something like this off.
The downside is that you most likely will hate drawing because you spent your life doing this garbage and it brought you nothing but misery. Meanwhile, you don't need 90% of all that shit to draw anime girls.

>t. Russian

>> No.4521684

>>4521645
знaю птм-чo я тoжe жвy нa pycи :Ъ

>> No.4521730

>>4520198
>>4520140
>>4520808
>>4520804
>>4520818
Bros...im 25 and theres no way i could get more than a 30...

I will never make it, will i...

>> No.4521746

>>4521730
Dumbfuck, you're younger than the average age of people starting art school. You'll never get anywhere because of your attitude, not your fucking age.

>> No.4521749

>>4521746
not in russia lol

>> No.4521751

>>4521749
>Thinking age matters more than hard work and creativity
NGMI fag

>> No.4521782

>>4519951
WOW!

>> No.4522111

>>4520813
>>4520827
Actually going this route, and it's not that hard if you understand the skeletal structure and where the tendons are anchored.

>> No.4522153

>>4522111
>>4520827
What about gesture or construction.

>> No.4522160

>>4519951
that's not CG, but retards like OP cant understand the structure when there is clothing involved.

No, there isnt anything wrong with her arm, youre not gonna make it.

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>>4522160
Red line it for us.

>> No.4522240

>>4522169
i think ill have fun seeing you think that leather jacked is glued to her body.

>> No.4522279

>>4520818
>>4520821
>>4520829
What's the fucking point of applying to some shitty Muhosransk university when you possess such insane skills already

>> No.4522280

>>4522240
>Flase flagger

>> No.4522319

>>4522240
I'm genuinely curious.

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>>4522153
Those are separate skills, but gesture should come naturally with regular studies and construction is a meme unless your bounds are important or you're creating scene.

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>>4522319
you redline it, i gave you a reference to understand.

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>>4522376
I'm not sure you realize how stupid you sound, so I'll point it out to you.

>>4522160
"There's nothing wrong with that arm."
>>4522169
"Show us."
>>4522240
>>4522376
"No you."

I want you to show us where the shoulder and arm connects to the torso through a red line, because it's not clear and it looks weird from that angle. How the fuck is me attempting to red line something I don't understand supposed to help that?

>> No.4523334

>>4522279
muh networking

>> No.4523336

>>4522279
how do you expect to work as architect without the architect degree?

>> No.4523340

>>4519951
>do you need to know the fundamentals of basketball in order to be successful at playing the game? do you need to know how to spell to write?
what do you think

>> No.4523355

>>4521645
And some art schools for kids have entrance exams too! And some kids don't pass it in their first try

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>>4522394
This is what happens when you trace 3d models

>> No.4523515

>>4523475
there is absolutely no part of that image that is red and a line anon :/

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>>4520390
>>4520409
>>4520809
>>4520928

It pains me that normies who have never watched/read about GITS before this Netflix show will watch this stupid wacky shit and be turned off by the franchise.

>> No.4523562

>>4519951
hes kind of living in your heads rent free. His shit sucks, hes laughable, there is nothing constructive of criticizing him. The worst thingt you could do to an artist is ignoring him.

>> No.4523575

>>4523524
GitS is overrated anyways. The original film was the only decent thing in the franchise.

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>>4520818
i heard for females artist they have a special assigment

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>>4520390
>>4520409

>Making it means having your screw ups forever immortalized

I dont want to make it

>> No.4523600

>>4523575
overrated??

People barely even talk about it.
The original movies was great and the manga, although a bit trashy, was fun to read.

That live action movie and this netflix adaptation are both shit, and are just giving normies a bad impression of what GITS is.

The worst part is, if the netflix show flops, this will probably kill the franchise for good.

>> No.4523618

>>4523600
It's better for it to stay dead. Good things already exist and anything after is only going to be chasing after the original. Not everything has to be a franchise.

>> No.4523629

>>4523596
Only making it while being a lying piece of shit and a plagiarist who would rather self insert himself into terrible projects for clout instead of getting any of the skills that would be actually useful for anime.

>> No.4523831

>>4523562
pyw

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4523839

>>4523629
seething jealousy. He proved he has skills for anime, you're stupid and ignorant.

>> No.4523856

>>4523839
>Editing faces is an incredible job. There are 1400 “cuts” in the film (camera shifts), in [each of them] there can be up to 500 animation frames. If there were characters who didn’t look very much like mine, because people were more used to the design of the Ghibli studio, I painted faces, bodies or backgrounds on top as needed


Lmao imagine some highly talented animator and this inbred ruskie walks in and doodles all his mongoloid looking chipmunk faces over the characters. Every single one of them.

>> No.4523857

>>4523839
>Skills for anime
>an image featuring 40 drawings of the same fucking girl he has been drawing for over 20 years plastered on top of what is clearly 3d models

Did you know that the girl on op is supposed to be 11 years old? Japan is known for samefaces but even the biggest hack in jaoan could draw a fucking loli looking like one.

>> No.4523865

>>4523839
Anon I.....

>> No.4524016

>>4523857
Because she is not a loli and isnt supposed to be? Loli isn't age, Loli is a trope. 6th grade girls dont typically look like "lolis" irl. She also would've sounded like a loli in the voice over, which she doesn't.

For some reason ignoramuses here dont understand that director decides which character designs appear in the anime - who is designer, which designs are fine, sometimes the production overhead (committee). Character design isnt pizza.

You guys live in some delusion world "Illya this isnt pizza i ordered. ITS FINE bro trust me, im best pizza maker, checkout my instagram" - this is the caricature of Illya you believe in. Ypu ngmi.

>> No.4524018

>>4524016
ok phoneposter, we get "ypu"

>> No.4524024

>>4524016
cont. What you CAN tell by the designs, is that top girl is much younger, and more childish character. So those are very successful designs.

>> No.4524041

>>4523839
1st and 2nd from the 2nd row look wrong. He can't draw 3/4 it seems. Same on the other models. By the way are they supposed to be different characters? They all look literally the same person

>> No.4524046

>>4524024
>draw the same character twice
>put shirts on one of them
>put a dress on another

Yes comrade, this a great design! A 11 year old girl and her 22 year old sister, yes? Very good design! Will cost you 5 vodkas.

>> No.4524060

>>4523589
here's a female one >>4520808 / Ekaterina Kuznetsova

>> No.4524218

>>4524041
Well i know for sure you've never been on /asg

>> No.4524223
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4524223

>>4519951
Nien

>> No.4524231

>>4523839
>he did some character sheets
>proved he has skills

His "style" is recognized on the internet by just about everyone who knows what digital art is. It's the recognition that got him through those doors, not his skills.

>> No.4524320

>>4523618
>It's better for it to stay dead
It's not dead, yet and there's still a chance for this netflix abomination to do relatively well.
I love GITS and its universe so I'd rather it be actually handled by more competent people and not go out like this.

You sound like a secondary, anyway and probably never even read the manga as you admittedly called it "over rated" so your opinion is invalid. Hell, you may even like this shit show.

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>>4524231
>generic anime weeb face
>easily recognized distinct style

pick one.
Yes he has distinct style, and he has worked his ass off to get where he is. You need more than just style to live in Japan and work closely with Japs and become part of the whole production process.
He grinded and he made it. Didn't even need to make coom art for degenerates like you.

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>>4524344
>worked his ass off by drawing the same owo anime grill
Which were "heavily referenced"
>You need more than just style to live in Japan and work closely with Japs and become part of the whole production process.
this is what weebtards believe, uh?
>Didn't even need to make coom art for degenerates like you.
drawing the same weebshit endlessly is pretty much the equivalent of coom

Just stop posting you humongous faggot
It has been proven countless times that irrya is a fucking hack
this gits shitshow is just the final nail in the coffin
gtfo my board

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4524405

>>4520928
>>4520390
>>4520409
This feels like an elaborate sabotage...
I highly doubt Ilya had any control in putting this caricature of himself in the show.

I think one of the 2 directors is doing this to humiliate him.

>> No.4524411

>>4524405
very japanese tee bee haitch

>> No.4524439

>>4524405
>I think one of the 2 directors is doing this to humiliate him.
This might be their attack on the gaijin

>> No.4524463

>>4519951
Goddammit why life is so cruel
>be russian kid living in a middle of nowhere
>was drawing stuff ever since I learned to hold a pencil
>parents didnt have money to pay for tutor so I can pass art scool exams
>failed it
>parents said SEE YOU HAVE NO TALENT, WE DONT WANT YOU TO RERTY, ALSO YOU CANT EARN MONEY WITH YOUR ART, IT'S BETTER BE A MANAGER OR ECONOMIST
>fastforward to present day, 27 yo me
>have useless management degree
>poor
>lost a dead end job (I hated it anyways) due to coronachan
>some 14 yo fujos on tubmlr get 1000 likes for their quick 5 min scetches and 2000$ on patreon
>stuck with 50 likes on some fanart I wasted a whole day to draw, 0$ on patreon
I should just kms, it's too late for me. Moreover, all these years I was trying to self-learn drawing, never gave up on it, but it seems I am really incspable or have a learning disability.
Thanks for reading this blog post.

>> No.4524466

>>4524463
Post your work, and I mean it unironically in a manner where it isn't meant to be derogatory.

>> No.4524486

>>4524411
>>4524439
Sounds like japanese work place politics honestly.
Putting the gaijin "in his place" or something like that.

>> No.4524497
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4524497

>>4524463
Maybe draw as a hobby?

I was scared of drawing because I was forced to start drawing at 3.
>Be youngest kid in drawing class
>Teacher is a bitch
>Other kids were mean
>Today's class is to draw a fruit bowl
>They ran outta red pastel
>Used orange as substitute.
>Teacher was fucking livid
>Her stone cold hands dragged me to see mom to drop the class.

I've been traumatized ever since and had a significant impact in many aspects of my life which led me to be a NEET for quite some time. Getting it back into it now to face my fears 24 yrs later hopefully to solve the root cause of my life problems.

>> No.4524512

>>4524466
Man I do post my shit on tumblr and newgrounds but it's a dead end unless you are already somehow have a fanbase or have something unique about your art

>>4524497
I do draw as a hobby but I am forever stuck at dead end jobs where I have to work for 14 hours and i'm too tired to do art after work. Now I have a chance because of corona and a draw more and post more but all I get my 50 likes.

>> No.4524514

>>4524463
>>4524466
yeah i'm interested to see how skilled you are

>> No.4524518

>>4524512
>tumblr and newgrounds
both dead platforms for the most part :/

instagram and twitter are where it's at

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>>4524514
>>4524466
here made a compilation of most recent stuff. I know I have a lot of things to improve but come on, I don't think I'm worse than those 14 old fujos

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>>4520409
I'm a big time GITS fan (especially SAC1 and SAC2), but.....

What the fuck am I even looking at? I remember being excited about this a year ago. Well delivery date is here and SURPRISE! This is what was delivered?

fffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuucccccccccccccckkkkkkkkkkk

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>>4524530
this makes me very sad.
I guess not every can make it.

>> No.4524644

>>4524530
you got a lot more grinding in you бpoтишкo. ditch the left two and keep the right two and go in that direction или yмpeшь нeзнaкoмым мeнaджepoм и хyйoвым хyдoжникoм

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>>4524627
>>4524644
Thanks anon for your honesty. It just hurts so much to think that tumblr landwhales are better at art than me but painful truth is better than a pleasant lie.

>> No.4524691

>>4524682
Its not terrible, there clearly an understand of some fundies there, but right now your work isn't oustanding enough to stick out.

>> No.4524709

>>4524691
I am not aiming into artstation territory, Im trying to compete with tumblr teens who do quick fanart drawings and sketches. Can't argue that there is something that makes those quick sketches kinda pleasing but not that outstanding. Man I don't know anymore just whatever

>> No.4524716

>>4524682
>>4524709
don't forget that tumblr roasties are all about style and appeal and nothing about fundies

ever wonder why all tumblr art has glowing noses and CalArts faces?

learn what your competition is doing consistently, and replicate it

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4524737

>>4520232
>It's also filled with autists and women. That's why it's so hard to get legitimate improvement here.

>> No.4524754

>>4524716

>ever wonder why all tumblr art has glowing noses and CalArts faces?
never give anyone advice on anything ever again pls

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>>4524463
>I should just kms, it's too late for me

>finally has a chance to go all in on his art with same drive he had when he was younger and then some
>squanders it because hes 27 years old.
5 years from now youre either gonna be 32 and not know how to draw, or 32 and competent at drawing. Either way its gonna happen so stop bitching and get to it.

>> No.4524805

>>4524754
Why, because you're butthurt? :^) Explain how I'm wrong about CalArts faces and glowing noses.

>> No.4524816

>>4524805
don't masquerade as someone you're not, пидop чopтoв

>>4524754
but yeah, when in Rome you do as the Romans do, not eat shit like an Ugandan

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>>4524816

>> No.4524819

>>4524816
>don't masquerade as someone you're not, пидop чopтoв
take your own advice, dumbass

>> No.4524821

>>4524716
>why all Tumblr art
Are you just parroting people? There were tons of good artists on Tumblr, not everyone was a 15-year-old genderqueer pansexual demigirl hobbyist who drew Homestuck art.

It's called "Tumblr art" because it refers to the style that originated from Tumblr, not that it was a good indicator of the typical artwork.

>> No.4524822

>>4524819
> no u

are you actually brain damaged?

>> No.4524828

>>4524821
has, not had
the vast majority of those artists have moved away
and runon wants to make it big on tumblr in 2020, not in 2014

>> No.4525154

>>4524380
>It has been proven countless times that irrya is a fucking hack

Only thing proven that IC is a shitter and 99% people dont have a clue about anything. You certainly dont have a clue about anime production process, the industry, same for most ppl here.

>weebtard

cool buzzword ёбaный пeдик

>drawing the same weebshit endlessly is pretty much the equivalent of coom

post your work? No it's not, he's drawing stylized portraits, there is no way you can call his work "weebshit", and he moves forward and tries things out. He has TALENT and SKILL. Something you will never have.

His style is distinct, that's why he made it.

>gtfo my board

YOU dont need this board, all you are doing is adding more cancer to cancer. You never needed this board, it won't help you in any way.

>>4524405

All it takes is actually watch the episode. Again, the guy doesnt look like Ilya, and it all makes sense in context.

>> No.4525203

>>4525154
>guy doesn't look like ilya
You really need to get ur eyes checked

>> No.4525218

>>4524530
there are successful webcomics with less skilled artists. I think if you did something like a Dark Souls webcomic or a historical webcomic your style would be considered attractive and draw an audience.

>> No.4525220

>>4520400
Dude, RWBY is better than this

>> No.4525231

>>4525220
Yeah and rwby is shit. What does that make this?

>> No.4525235

>>4525231
Dog shit that was bathing in sunlight for a day then there was downpour of heavy rain thus turning the hardened shit into liquified goo that smells as bad as a skunk’s anus left open to rot.

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>>4525154
Are you legit autistic?

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Irya-kun...

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>>4525264
An absolute favorite, lose every time.

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>>4524344
>>generic anime weeb face
I never said that you fucking sperg.
>>Yes he has a distinct style
You're just agreeing with me faggot.

This GITS ending sequence literally PROVES he does not have good skill. His skill is at tracing bodies and copy/pasting his signature sameface everywhere. He was able to move to Japan thanks to PatreonBux provided by fans like you.

I'm surprised at how many threads I've seen here and on /v/ directly attacking him for shameless self-insert and bringing the sameface into a major anime franchise.

>coom art for degenerates like you
What

>> No.4525363

>>4525264
This absolutely overblown ego of his. Selfinserting even in shitty "manga" as a paladin of all that is just.

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>>4525324
>His skill is at tracing bodies and copy/pasting his signature sameface everywhere

except he never traced any body, and you are proving your ignorance by repeating this meme.

Ofcourse he is inspired by Japanese artists and illustrators, ALL of them have a "signature face", when one watches a random anime often its easy to just guess who the character designer is by the character design.

Significantly different faces only works for ultra stylized stuff.
It is good to have a very recognizable, attractive style.

You can google names like : Misaki Kurehito, Bunbun, Takeuchi Takashi, Pochi . Or see illustrator list for FGO - https://fategrandorder.fandom.com/wiki/Illustrator_List , and compare each character's faces of one illustrator.

>This GITS ending sequence literally PROVES he does not have good skill

No it doesnt prove anything of the sort. It could be that it was cgi model, and he was simply asked to overpaint the face and that's it - and it pretty much looks like that to me. Director certainly thought it was fine.

>> No.4527800

>>4520390
>Shadman

>> No.4527836

>>4519958
made me kek anon

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>>4527422

This is some weird-ass devotion you have to defending Ilya, my friend. I don't understand it.

>except he never traced any body, and you are proving your ignorance by repeating this meme.
>It could be that it was a cgi model, and he was simply asked to overpaint the face and that's it - and it pretty much looks like that to me.
Don't contradict yourself.

Obviously he did not draw that body. It is completely amateur the way those gestures come off and they look painfully stiff. I know most of Ilya's work is portraits and that can definitely explain why his faces are his signature. But he is not very talented, and needing to use 3D models, (read: you admitted it looks like a 3D model) is no sign of him having skills. Any decent artist can do what he did here.

The main point is, his popularity got him here. Not skill.

He did not animate for this show, and his contribution is the exact same thing he does regularly. He drew a pretty girl with a bob haircut, and made several variations of it for the show.

>Director certainly thought it was fine
ILYA DIRECTED THE ENDING CREDITS, OF COURSE IT WAS FINE FOR IT TO END UP LIKE THAT

>> No.4527887

>>4519958
someone edit op's pic kek

>> No.4527917

>>4524530
it's going to be fine anon, the first step towards making it is knowing and admitting that you're shit.

>> No.4527922

>>4527879
>popularity got him here. Not skill.
words worth repeating lads.

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>>4527879
>Don't contradict yourself.
There is no contradiction if you understand the diference. I offered a theory.

Related image image are poses he drew in 2014, and he kept drawing them ever since pretty consistently. Looks like gesture to me. + >>4524344

>But he is not very talented,

You jump straight to conclusion? Very brave. If he is not talented, then certainly no one here is. He is pretty talented and his earliest stuff from academy is pretty decent, as i've shown. >>4527422

I dont know if he used 3d model or didnt. This is not a reason to conclude he needs it. He didn't use any of that for that sculpture, and for poses from 2014 all of them have process videos. He can nail it from reference, that is a fact.

> Any decent artist can do what he did here.

yes but they arent ilya and they dont have his style, which is what was needed.

>The main point is, his popularity got him here. Not skill

but his skill and talent got him his popularity, and ofcourse the right choice of subject matter.

>He did not animate for this show

moot point? He drew more than a pretty girl, so you are objectively wrong again. You'd be able to say something reasonable if ya'll didnt tryhard to hate on him.

>ILYA DIRECTED

once again someone doesnt understand production chain. Director gave him task. There are all sort of directors in anime production - episode director, animatin director, chief animation director, storyboarder (important) AND DIRECTOR FOR WHOLE PROJECT WHO CALLS THE SHOTS

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature/2016-03-16/your-ultimate-guide-to-anime-ending-credits-part-i/.99852

so it doesnt mean it couldve been literally anything.

>> No.4527976

>>4525264
EVERYTHING IS FUCKING TRACED, you cannot explain the dimensional disparity between the character placed in this panel otherwise.

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>>4527422
Ilya defense force is mentally ill.

>> No.4527991

>>4527988
To make things worse, there is actually an anti-IIya fag who actually thinks WE are responsible for him making it because we "enabled" him throughout the years and only hated him once he got popular because lol 4chan r contrarians

I know he's the guy who defend his discord buddy in tracing in that thread a few weeks ago because that's the only time I have seen that retarded opinion comes up on /ic/,

>> No.4528003

>>4520787
i don't enjoy them nearly as much

>> No.4528008

So much r***itors here, it's revolting

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>>4527946
How many (you)s will it take to stop samefagging?
illya is a fag and a hack
kill yourself

>> No.4528704

>>4520390
If they hired ilya to do the concept art it only makes sense they got the cool 3d world guy to do the animations

>> No.4529084

>>4527976
>TRACED

you dont know what this word means, you just dont.

Nor do you know different artistic techniques used in manga, since youre unreasonable i wont bother explaining to your pea brain.

>> No.4529093

>>4528031
No u, mr. ngmi crab. You definitely suck and your idols suck and draw degenerate coom porn, your mom is ashamed of u.

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>>4519951
No OP you definitely don't need any kind of fundamentals to make it. Just sit back and draw whatever you like

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>>4529084
>NOOO I'M NOT TRACING I JUST PASTE THE PHOTO AND DRAW OVER IT ON ANOTHER LAYER SO THE LINES DON'T LINE UP EXACTLY THEN IT'S NOT TRACING
Stfu retard

>> No.4529914

Do you actually need to get THAT good at drawing to be hired in a vidya company?

What skill do they look for?

>> No.4529927

>>4521730
I'm 21 so I dont see it as a mid 20s guy, but I really dont give a fuck and I can see myself in a good place in 2-3 years of practice.

>> No.4530271

>>4529861
Youre retarded if you actually believe that. Lines dont exactly line up? How about they dont line up at all retard.

And there are countless process videos and livestreams Ilya drawing things from scratch. Does he use references? Sure as you should.
But you literally dont know what you're talking about shitty crab.

>> No.4530525

To be fair he doesn't deserve this at all, ilya deserve worst than this
>inb4 post your work
Stfu

>> No.4530530

>>4530525
can't even shit on you when your post makes no sense.

dont post your work because its 100% shit forever.

>> No.4530539

>>4524682
>>4524716

No amount of
>le landwhale femoid tumblr waaaahhhh
will be able to truly distract you from the fact that you are not good and need to work much harder to get where you want. Working hard is what the tumblr boogeywomen are doing right now while you whine on here.

>> No.4530544

>>4519951

Without them you're gambling on the luck of the draw and gain inexplicable popularity.

With them at least you can get professional jobs.

>> No.4530623

Fundamentals yes, loomis no

>> No.4533492

>>4521730
ageist- and defeatistpilled

>> No.4536483

>>4519951
No, you don't. Proof >>4536470

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>>4536483
he has fundamentalist islam down though, so bad example