/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Some ground rules to start this thread and the next /beg/ threads off:

>if you are /beg/
Don't ever give advice.
You can relate and share your hardships with other /beg/s, but never give them advice.
If you MUST give advice, start the reply off with "I'm beg, but what worked for me is..."

>Before you post your work
1. Every person giving advice here expects for you to have atleast read some of the sticky, and that you already know what you should be doing to improve.
In that light, replies such as "grind more fundamentals" are perfectly viable advice.
We expect you to know what the general fundamentals are (gesture, anatomy, perspective, drapery, etc.), and we expect you to know where you can find resources to practice these subjects.
Sometimes literally the only good advice to give is to practice more and improve you technique.

2. DO NOT post your 5 minute sketches that you didn't put much thought into. If you do post them then make sure to ask for SPECIFIC advice on a specific subject.
If you post a doodle and ask "where did i go wrong" or "how should I continue from here", expect to get meme replies such as "Loomis".

Follow these simple rules and the generals will become much more productive for both the /beg/s and the people giving advice.

>>4521227
Based

reminder to post whatever work you do, even if you don't have specific questions about it.

Reposting from the end of last thread. I need advice on drawing ears, but redlines are appreciated
>>4521176
soul

a /tg/ request

People are under valuing the loomis and studying fundies too much, it ridiculous. I improved a lot because of it.

>>4521227

>>4521402
the sticky does tell you to study fundies before loomies though

>>4521402
Hmm.. interesting. I've had Loomis.pdf sitting on my hard drive for 6 years. Should this be the day that I actually open it?

>>4521411
The thing is, I was a day 0 /beg/, I’ve never drawn before 2 months ago. When I came here for advice I was told to read loomis and study fundies and so I did. I improved a lot thanks to it.

>>4521416
You should, it’s a really good book.

>>4521402
pyw

update on this dude so far, took out colors so I can line easier

>>4521425
I drew this last week.

>>4521425
And this was from 2 months ago

>>4521455
Based, those are really good hands for a /beg/ . Copyfags go back to /asg/.

>>4521226
My second face portrait using proportions, top of her hair wasn't in the image so her head looks flat. I think it looks somewhat like her, the eyes are too big and I struggle with symbol drawing them.
Still on chapter 3 of keys to drawing, don't feel like moving forward just yet.
I think I'll try to do one figure drawing or portrait a day along with one landscape or object study. The main reason I'm doing that is to stop my habit of symbol drawing and practice values. If that's to overwhelming I'll just do one, plan on finishing keys to drawing mid May and moving forward to 'Fun with Pencil'.

Any good tips on portrait drawing you guys can provide?

>>4521416
Based

>>4521437
I thought it was creepy enough already with color. I was wrong

>>4521494
You're not drawing what you're seeing although it has some resemblance. You should have used another reference pic of the Hershlag in order to finish the portrait properly if you don't feel confident enough to proyect the drawing by yourself. By leaving the face incomplete the Hershlag looks like she has an extremely fat side of her face compared to the other. Good job giving it depth.

>>4521512
Haha thanks, Once I finish lining and get some proper colors in ,hopefully it will look a bit more creepy

>>4521465
If he had posted the exact same pic and said "I've been copying lots of anime and haven't read Loomis" you would have told him "that's garbage, you need Loomis".

>>4521545
loomis makes a lot of perspective mistakes anyway

>>4521560
How so?

How much time should you realistically be spending on a study before moving onto the next? 30 minutes?

>>4521578
2-3 hours

>>4521578
I usually spend about 30 minutes to 1 hour max. You have to hit numbers, its all about mileage in the beginning.

>>4521578
what do you mean by study? a copy of some drawing/picture? i'm new here.

>>4521227
>*ruins your thread*

Lmao my pic got featured for the first time nice
I still have nightmares when I look at it

how do i improve my values and rendering?

>>4521612
try not to pick a photoshopped picture (giga chad) as reference..

>>4521612
>Giga chad study

>>4521597
>a copy of some drawing/picture?
Yes

>>4521545
If I did only copy anime, i’m sure my art would look a lot worse than that.

why doesnt loomis explain things better?
"just do these shapes then add all these little details which make the whole picture look good but I don't tell you how to do xD see how easy it is?"
fucking old fart

how do i make the color look not so weird :/

>>4521578
20-45 minutes personally.

>>4521597
Drawing from reference, yes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLqWX7onVmU

>>4521652
Holy shit based Kengan art man

you seems to make her younger.
better to not take cropped heads, maybe only if you want to just draw a nose or something. By the way I'm know nothing.

I bought CSP on sale, but coming from sai, the brushes feel off
What settings should I use? Everything is so thin and stark

>>4521437
You added too much details, or atleast too many lines IMHOTBQFAM.

>>4521658
Your Hershlag dramatically improved Anon although one eye is a lot bigger than the other.
>better to not take cropped head
It's okay, you can use multiple reference pics like I said

>>4521654
>3-5 drawings a week is not enough to improve
Is this actually true? Even if those 3-5 drawings are quality and highly focused?

>>4521658
sorry I was too distracted by humans to construct coherent sentences

>>4521675
What exactly counts as "a drawing" and how long does a drawing usually take you?

posting from last thread
tried to follow anons critiques

>>4521689
resize pls

>>4521686
I don't know, what does Feng count as "a drawing"? I'm guessing that means any piece you do with the intent of trying to get better at some specific skill—gesture, construction, anatomy, contour drawing, line quality, etc. As for length, it can be as little as 10 minutes or as much as 2 hours, give or take.

>>4521703

>>4521686
30 mins to 1 hour

>>4521612
id recommend to learn to draw body parts at a time

My first drawing with a tablet
I'm not sure what to think about it

>>4521729
think positive.
then look what this perspective thing is about.

>>4521226

>>4521741
the stuff in the background looks like it's seen from above, that right ?

a bow

>>4521531
Thank you for the advice, I’ll keep that in mind when I do the next drawing. I struggle with symbol drawing greatly so I think doing these types of drawing daily will help me overcome this.

How do I get over my massive lack of drawing confidence? I always feel like I can't draw anything no matter what.

>>4521803
Just draw

>>4521813
That's what I've done all this time but it doesn't help.

>>4521791
how to understand clothes folds and stuff, i really cant seem to make it look real

>>4521826
Post your work

>>4521803
Have a father present in your life.

>>4521652
>Gaolang
Basado.

>>4521827
i never saved something with clothes on i always delete it

btw Is it easier to start the fundamentals in tradicional or should i go digital?

>>4521836
Look at real clothes and identify and internalize the patterns.

>>4521840
You need to learn the tools with digital, that's about it. They're the same otherwise.

>>4521658
Thanks for doing this
>>4521672
That isn’t me lol

>>4521816
Draw more

>>4521791
i bought hogarth's dynamic wrinkles and folds. it doesnt help at all. dont buy it. its just his drawings but he doesnt explain anything.

>>4521803
Just draw for self-validation. Stop doing things for what others might think in general

>spent 50 minutes trying to trace curves on hair
why the fuck are curves so difficult to draw without making them wobbly

>>4521868
then what do you suggest? i cant find shit on drawing drapery other than that book

>>4521226
Alright /beg/, I'm up to the actual human faces using the ball and plane method in FWAP, and I'm hitting the first wall. I can draw his blooks just fine, but I'm struggling at actual human faces.

I look carefully and it's so fucking subtle the differences that make mine look weird and uncanny, while his look like an expert comic. I think it's because I look at mine, and I still see symbols for the eyes, nose, and mouth, where with his I actually see those features, if you know what I mean.

This is the entire point though. I've been attempting to unlearn shitty "How to Draw Manga" books from my childhood, and I could never get faces right. I'm ready to grind at it calmly and figure out how to make good faces, both realistic and anime styled.

Throw me your fucking tips for faces, what you've done that's worked, specific resources to grind at it, maybe which parts of the face to REALLY focus on, etc.

>>4521226
Mathilda is based.

>>4521945
I read his book and tldr just feel the flow of the clothing and the action.
Then do actual studies of clothing and drapery after that.

>>4521946
Instead of complaining just pyw, post them loomy faces

>>4521951
yeah that i guess that doesnt help me much, i guess ill "just draw" clothing

>>4521955
I did learn a couple things like anchor points and where creases, wrinkles, and folds happens so that’s help. And he does go in depth to other types of wrinkles in his book.

>>4521762
I get what you was doing when attempted to do it. And kind of didn't succeed at at either. thing is if we tilt camera down more this figure will stop making sense

>>4521954
I'm not complaining about having trouble, I'm interested in tips on the best ways to get better at facial features and stop symbol drawing. Getting out of the mindset of "The eye is an oval and now just fill in the details" When I try to just look at a picture and copy it, I still tell that to myself in my head: "Okay this line curves here, connect it to this side" etc.

It's dark in the room right now since I live in a studio apt with my fiance and she's sleeping. Can't post stuff right now, figured I'd do some before bed research.

>>4521966
If you’re symbols drawing faces the best way is to actually study each facial feature and landmarks of the face. Draw an eye only, fuck everything else right now until you can draw an eye that doesn’t look like an Egyptian hieroglyph

soul or beg?

>>4521966
Lines don't exist in real life, and since you're working with lines the hardest part is abstracting the form of anything (i.e features) with lines. Maybe working with values instead will be easier for you

>>4521985
bof

>>4521985
You look like you know how to draw. Putting effort is another thing.

>>4521954
>>4521966
>>4521988
Posting an example of my Loomy faces. This one is just from the first part.

>>4522004
Since you're copying his line all the problem solving is already done for you. Do your own. That's the most important thing.

>>4521970
Also thanks, yeah I figure I'm going to need to knuckle down at each individual feature until it clicks or something.

>>4522004
And here was today, getting into the ball and plane method.

>>4522009
lmao at that anime loomis

>>4522014
I was fucking bored of these old style cartoon faces I just want to learn proportions so I can make cute anime girls but I know I need these basics first. So I figure I still need to actually understand the features by doing life drawing studies now, and I can combine that with the Loomis method for placing them.

But I'm fukken done with his face style. I don't want to move onto drawing the body until I actually get good at heads.

"not /beg/" here, how do i use color better? im always "too literal" with color, and I see others using really sexy painterly styles with nice colors and a lot of them and its really appealing to me. is there a secret to using color effectively or am i just going to have to trial and error for years?

>>4522025
Tfw i can draw and paint anime girls up the ass but I need to study more and more because my autism kicks in and want to be a better artist.

>>4521675
he is usually talking about concept art industry
I'm sure he mean not improve fast enough to compete with them freshman students or seasonal artists out there

>>4521675
I mean I do like a crap ton of studies and drawing a lot, but not really complete drawings but getting the picture across.

hands guy here
hows this looking so far

how to draw owl

>>4522054
surprisingly decent face

make that head shorter. Skulls are not that long. You're at least like 25% too long, it looks like you extruded his face in google sketchup

Second try.ive been drawing for about a year now and I don’t think I’ve gotten any better. When do you give up?

>>4522075
When you're dead. Keep going.

This Hogarth book is pretty neat, instant improvements.

>>4522101
Which one?

>>4522054
I see a lot of potential on turning this into a 3D brainlet

I have no idea what I'm doing anymore. I think I'll put anime on hold and just draw some bricks and spheres today, until I can wrap my head around the concept of 3D objects.

You artistic kids don't know how easy you have it. You grew up with this stuff. I never needed to visualize anything for decades, and starting now is giving me headaches.

a sketch for fun in between studies

>>4522119
How old are you and how long have you been drawing, anon?

>>4522119
pretty cute be she feels stiff

now face is too small and it did small roll and become smaller.

>>4522196
32, started last year. Spent six months tracing anime and watching tutorials with no real results, then got into construction.

I'd like to get to a decent place by the time I'm 40, but I won't get there if I continue polishing random doodles for hours on end instead of studying for real.

I am >>4519909
I tried again after looking at some loomis. I lowered the angle a little to try to make it easier

what could i have done better on?
i know there's no light source and the odd spot with no colour.

>>4522231
>tracing
>tracing anime too
You ain’t goning nowhere at this rate.

It's been a couple days since I got tips on how to paint properly using a hard brush. I hope I'm doing values well enough in this one though I wish I knew how to add hues without making the character look like a clown

>>4522231
Good luck. I just turned 29 and am just now getting started, hoping to see good progress from a fellow oldfuck.

>>4522249
Anatomy, your anatomy is still janky, do studies of the limbs if needed.

>>4522249
Also hands, like jesus go read Hogarth book on hands, his style is revolting but teaches you a lot.

>>4522108
Dynamic Drawings

>>4522292
Oh, don't take my estimate for it then. "Until 40" is because I'm a lazy fossil, I've seen people go from nothing to great in 2-3 years. If you practice daily and learn to hide shaky anatomy under eye-catching rendering, you can get real good by the time you're my age.

before quarantine / after quarantine

>>4522378
based

just a quick doodle. getting better here and there.

>>4522379
It’s the underage furfag. Go to /asg/ your kind is not wanted here.

>>4522395
in what way do my drawings resemble anime?

>>4522401
/asg/ are full of people like you, so go there.

>>4522406
no, anime is gay

>>4522406
whats asg?

>>4522412
>>4515930
The worst general on this board.

Bear in mind that its a character sprite for a """VN"""

>>4522379
Based tranny, /beg/ needs more people like you

>>4521675
Polishing a turd is useless

>>4522454
not a fuckin tranny

>>4522494
Lol yeah right
>>4522245
Based planner poster, maybe you're not the same Anon but for the looks of it you've improved a lot

>>4521652
Your use of values is too narrow, push those values further. Give it darker shadows and lighter highlights and it will look better.

Legs are hard

What can i improve on?
I feel like I messed up a lot and I'm just not seeing it.
I tried doing anatomy my way with construction but I end up symbol drawing and it just looks bad. So I end up copying most of the time.

Took some detail out and added veins/weird shit.>>4521437

>>4522601
his missing his deltoids

>>4521422
Pyw

>>4522640
Aren't they meant to behind him since his arm is twisting?

feets

>>4522669
where do you find feet to draw?

>>4522640
>>4522601
Anon is right. Also do not give guys massive button nipples.

>>4522249
looks like you tried to draw her shoe using two different perspectives at once and it looks weird.

>>4522674
most of them from here on various boards

but to give you a start check out the feet generals on /s/, r/feet/ and twitter
https://twitter.com/FootFetishPM
https://twitter.com/FootFetishPorn2

>>4521226
Wip

>>4522689
do you have one for hands?

>>4522691
try to make frame where she touch her face shorter. but this some crazy stuff, why /beg

>>4522723
Because 80% of the threads are bait, thanks though.

>>4522691
nice

>>4522054
this is my picture and it reminds me one horror story.
In it on the side of mountain appear very tight human shaped(human silhouette) holes in solid rock, and they was very deep, like several kilometers deep, And people start entering these holes, and horror is when exit holes was found and they was totally not human shaped

>>4522742
That's Junji Ito's The Enigma of Amigara Fault your thinking of

>>4522045
It’s hard to read

>>4522691
not /beg/

yea. And there it like something similar is going on

I went through loomis Figure drawing for all it's worth but can't tell what the big deal is. Sure it teaches me some proportions but it doesn't really explain that well 3d forms and posing too well. It just gives me some muscles viewed from the front and tells me to remember them.

Are there any better guides fro learning fundamentals?

>>4522782
You might like Hampton more. Mostly they're all garbage though.
Just start trying to construct figures and figure out what works for you and what doesn't.

>>4521707
So, max 10 hours a week. I don't think you're going to see much improvement with 10 hours a week, but maybe if you work smart enough you can. Either way I'd definitely recommend doing more than 10 hours a week if at all possible.

>>4522754
I still think I am

>>4522802
You are, this idiot just posts "not /beg/" randomly or has very low standards.

However technically your shit belongs in the animation thread.

>>4522747
what about now

>>4522806
Block in your damn shadows fully. It's not fucking hard. Stop being so scared of hard edges.

>>4522809
oh i actually can shade it properly but i just want learn drawing them first and give a bit of shadows to not look 100% flat

>>4522811
if you draw your lines well you don't need shadows to show 3D. Unless you're actually trying to learn value then its just a crutch/excuse for lack of perspective control

>>4522811
Block-in takes like 5 minutes and you should already be in that habit if you can shade properly.

I think you severely misunderstand how to approach learning to draw.

>>4521962
sorry I went to sleep, thank you for the redraw

>>4522818
yeah im still learning i guess.
but i improved alot since i used to avoid drawing hands but now im out of my comfort zone
>>4522821
anon i dont have much time for this i know im being wrong here but i just want to master drawing the structure first. shadows later.
>5 min
i do that in hours im still beg

>>4522507
thanks! I think I am the only planner poster I've seen so far... I started drawing in January so noob gains can be exciting in the beginning

Picked a ref from the reference thread and stylized it a bit. what do you guys think?

>>4522848
forgot to resize sorry

>>4522848
shading is kind of bad. shapes seems off. she is like melted cheese and I do not mean just color. Face is not attractive. sorry

>>4522872
Yes the face came out pretty plastic looking. What about the shading is bad specifically?

>>4522271
>>4522249
>>4522119
>>4522848
>>4522416
Not /beg/

>>4521612
>Giga chad study

>>4522888
>people who are trying to learn how to draw posts
>"only people who have never drawn a day in their lifes should post here"
>someone who never drew posts
>"Don't post if you haven't even read the sticky"
The /beg/ cycle

How many studies a day should i be aiming for?

>>4522760
The face needs to be shrunken down. Remember the eyes are at the center height of skull.

>>4522907
Well yours do not looks much human either. I'm at least have legend

>>4522706
not yet, I want to study other body parts before hands

Idk amnymrep

What brush to use to draw shadows/lighting in SAI ?

>>4522855
fucking extremely nice you are not beg

>>4522628
it looks like my home state of new jersey

>>4521612
get a black pencil for dark shadows. youll never make it dark enough with one pencil. but you gotta fix up your drawing too. the eyes are different sized my dude.

>>4522933
Hard and round

>>4521761
im supposed to as a specific question right? well im pretty confident in my drawing abilities. obviously it could be better but my biggest weakness in this picture is composition. i really dont like that i basically divided up the drawing into 4 quarters. that really ruins the whole point of using a perspective like this. there's no flow between them. can you guys give me any ideas to fix this? what would tie the 4 quadrants together better?

>>4522510
Many thanks fren

>>4521729
You have natural facility with colour, which is good. Most people on /ic/ completely ignore it.
You need to properly study perspective and anatomy though. The books will genuinely help.

>>4521612
>gigachad study.jpg
Absolutely based

pixiv sketch mspaint first work publish month october

Stop telling people who post here that they aren't /beg/.
If you post here, that automatically means you're /beg/ because you don't have the confidence yet to post in /int/ or /alt/ or leave this place alltogether.

>>4522967
Based shizo korean fag, I know its you and you know me, grind harder

>>4522973
pyw, I bet $50 you’re some /int/ fag larping as /beg/

>>4522967
last bougereau

>>4522973
People used to genuinely mean it when they said it. At least sometimes. It was only in the last 5 threads or so that people started replying to everything with "not /beg/". Like all trolling fashions it'll die down eventually.

>>4522977
I'm as /beg/ as /beg/ can be because I haven't drawn for the last 2 weeks so I have nothing to post.

bougereau

>>4522981
Ok but will you post you work?

drew a comic on my art motivation, Thoughts?

>>4522888
I havent done any actual studying so I thought /beg/ would be an appropriate place to post until I at least understand the fundamentals...

>>4522806
heres the full work

>>4522982
done

>>4522950
I think I'm retarded I can't find it, where to download it ?

>>4523030
Dude, I shade using a hard round brush, literally make a new a brush, make the shape a circle, turn off the size jitter and turn on the opacity jitter. Thats it.

Please tell me how to grind fundies, I'm so confused.
Do i just draw something like a foot over and over again. I don't feel like I'm learning or anything and I still suck.

>>4523034
Seconding this. I sort of get it in theory but always feel like I'm doing it wrong when I actually try.

>>4523034
>>4523039
read the books carefully, copy the drawings on the book using the fundamentals described there.
eg; copy the loomis' faces by using his process, do that with at least loomis' and vilppu's introductory books, as they teach different strategies that are useful in different situations, watch the videos in the video thread, they help a lot.
Then study perspective, learn the basic rules and then do a bunch of drawings. DON'T do things from imagination at frist, since you're not studying design but perspective, also don't waste time collecting refs, just draw whatever is in front of you not by copying but by using perspective, after you've done everything around you, do it again but in different imagined perspectives.
After you've comfortably done this, study other artists, some you like, admire and wish to be like, now with the fundies you are aware now, break down their paintings and study the way they dealt with certain issues like foreshortening design etc.

>>4522967
nice, what fish is it? looks like a common perch

>>4523045
Okay good to see I have been on the right track then, at least for the first few steps.

did another still life but more complicated. it could use some cleaning up but im satisfied with it. thoughts?

did i mess up too much? The left forearm is meant to be reach back a bit so it's shorter but I'm not sure if i got it right.

The average skill level of the thread rose up overnight, huh

>>4523062
Don't worry anon I'll be bringing it right down once I finish my current study

>>4523062
I can't fucking stand non/beg/s posting on OUR thread.
What the fuck do these fucks thhink they are
>>4522378
>>4522510
>>4522628
>>4522848
>>4523049
posting on the /beg/ thread shaking my damn head.
Last threads there were bloody /int/'s posting traced loomis """studies""" all to demoralize us what the fuck is their deal.

How to be more consistent in the art i produce?
Advice on what to do now?

>>4523070
bitch i tried to make an int thread and none of you fucking faggots would post your work in it. you all just trolled and argued about who is beg. go fuck yourself.

>>4523070
Damn right brother!

Us begs get shit on all over this board, this general is our only safe space and i wont let it get ruined by /ints who want to dunk on us!

>>4523070
>>4523079
Go make an absolute beginner /abeg/ thread and move there.

>>4521612
based

>>4523076
Oh god, I thought it looked good because of the thumbnail but when I clicked It I just immediately laughed, what the fuck anon.

>>4523085
you pyw you

<crab.webm> <crab.jpeg(1)> <crab.biz>

Generals /ic/ need:
>/abeg/
>/lbeg
>/beg/
>/begint/
>/intbeg/
>/int/
>/ebeg/

>>4523090
Help?

>>4523091
Why would a pyw work here?

>>4523070
>>4523082
come on crabs you're making it too obvious...

sloppy copy is order of magnitude less complex task then original work. Because you have ready solved 2d model. Already correct and how it must look like.
In original work you need to come up and put together all shit on you own This is maybe where not all but some of imaginary "skill disparity" come from.

How long until i stop being a beginner?
Would you say a couple of months? I've been a beginner for two years and counting.
I draw everyday for at least a few hours.
My current level
>>4523059>>4522601

*

>>4523114
Depends on how your stuff looks like in one year.

>>4523114
That's a pointless question. Maybe things will click and it'll be in less than a year, or maybe you'll never stop being one.

>6 hours of study and even when copying directly I still can't get the legs to look right
At least I'm getting an idea of how much grinding one needs to do to git gud.

>spend two weeks of studying and drawing figures, without making any art of my own

I don't feel a tinge bit better

>>4523114
Contact me, maybe we can help each other.

>>4523129
Do one more week of that, then test yourself by drawing or original shit and post it here.

>>4523130
Sorry i don't really use dicord, instagram, twitter etc. I just use 4chan.

>>4523139
Don't you want artfriends?

Question for the people who aren't /beg/. What would you do if you had to start all over? What steps would you take? What would you work on to get back to your level?

>>4523139
Oh boy...you are missing out on a lot.

>>4523143
I do, but I'm just sort of shy and don't really talk much outside of this site.

>>4523144
Study fundies

>>4523130
Oh well if you decide Evillia
#7506

>>4523151
>Evillia art senpai offers to help you
how lucky

can i hvae art friernds too

eru#0001

>>4523154
Mutual exchange.

>>4523156
check ur dms :^)

how do I make the light cold? When I try to add blue to lit areas it looks like the color of the shirt changed to blue, not like the light is blue and the shirt is brown

>>4523034
Most people forget that you can't "just draw", you need to study. How do you study any other subject? Think how flashcards work. You try and remember the answer. You think real hard to try and remember. If you can't remember, you look at the answer, go through the stack, then again, try and remember.

Apply this to art

1.) Read/watch/copy something to study "the answer"

2.) Try and "remember the answer" when you attempt it yourself.

3.) If you did it wrong, go back and review the answer again.


You just do this over and over until eventually it clicks.

>>4523165
How did this work out for you? Can you post your work?

>>4523160
there nothing

>tfw too autistic to talk to people and make art friends

This looks kinda debauched.

>>4523168
but I get the joke..

>>4523165
Flashcards are for retards. Smart people learn underlying structure and mechanisms that produce the phenomena.

>>4523169
>Upper begs are making friends with each other
How are we lesser begs supposed to compete?

>>4523181
Grind for a thousand hours more
Maybe then we can aspire to socialize

>>4523183
add me Bro

>>4523184
Not yet. I still have 783 hours to go first.

>>4523178
Sorry Anon I just wanted to make you laugh

>>4523184
kay

top right is first try, bottom right is second.
Really scrub question: how do you locate the cranium for Loomis? I always feel like I get baited by the hair or headgear. Can I just start with the side oval? I find it gives more direction to the face.

>>4523179
You still need to practice for muscle memory retard. You can read about structure and underlying phenomena all you want, but the only way to actually get good at applying that knowledge is through repetition.

God it's like the people that think they're an expert in the field because they got a degree without any working experience.

>>4523172
Ok we get it you can draw anime faces when viewed directly from the front. Try getting out of your comfort zone now.

>>4523201
You use where the ear/eye line is and then you know how far the top of the head is. The measurements are important for this, not knowing them exactly, but it helps to eyeball where stuff should be.

>>4523201
Here you go senpai you're not so far out
>Really scrub question
Did you mean really /beg/ question?

>>4523210
Scrub does mean beginner/newbie in an insulting manner.

>>4523205
>you just read
You *learn*, you absolute nigger. Not just read, learn! And you test how good your skills and knowledge are by drawing and checking with real thing.
Thoughtless copying can only make you a living photo camera at best.
kys.

>>4523201
Mol?

>>4523232
Wtf is wrong with you? You’re shitting on how /asg/ learns to draw.

>>4523232
So rude. You just ruined a comfy /beg/ thread

Did a photo study of the water color artist, what you guys think?

>>4523070
Just because our art looks "good" to you, doesn't mean we aren't beginners.

>>4523332
That’s the lower /beg/ mentality.

>>4523332
I agree just because you're not a beginner it doesn't mean you're not a /beg/. You can get on a permanent /beg/ level if you're not able to improve

>>4523338
I mean that in a sense that some of the artist tagged, could legit be new to art but they decided to study and learn more than the average /beg/

>>4522147
is this supposed to be a boy or girl?

>>4523332
>>4523338
>>4523346
>>4523347
stop trying to demoralize us, thanks

>>4523356
bof

>>4523359
big bof

>>4523358
If you get demoralized by someone posting better art than you, you're gonna have a tough time on other social media and IRL if you ever do this for a job in the future

/beg/ on /beg/ action, this will make you cum in 5 minutes!

>>4523369
is this real life, is this my job?
didn't think so.
My morale is low enough as it is without /int/ people who are years ahead of me posting their great art and pretending they're "begginers"

>>4523376
You know you can leave this place and study by yourself or posting here, right? I mostly did that and it helped a lot.

>>4523129
It takes time for the gains to come after a period of study. It's like how right after you work out you feel normal but the morning after you wake up with extreme DOMS.

maybe the real /beg/s was the friends we made along the way

>>4523369
It's cool if you want to make art as your job but it isn't for everybody. There's literally nothing wrong with having art as a hobby

>>4523144
I got here by drawing almost every day since childhood. I didn't do any construction and free handed everything which gave me a very good sense of space and eyeballing skills, but left me with shit planning skills and no ability to copy from ref. So I suppose I should've found a middle ground and practiced construction more.

>>4523386
>>4523376
The same applies to hobbyist. That’s like saying you quit knitting because other people are better than you at it. There’s always someone better than you in the world, so change that attitude of yours.

>>4523148
>>4523169
You will never make it if you can't socialize, not only in art either.

>>4523386
Of course there isn't anything wrong with it, I'm a hobbyist myself at the moment. I'm just saying even as a hobby man, you shouldn't get so jaded when people post art better than yours. Save it to a ref folder instead.>>4523369 Im this poster

>>4523396
>>4523386
Idk why u guys are arguing in /beg/ how about pyw and draw?

>>4523403
This is implying we haven't already posted work, there is nothing wrong with this discussion and I think it's healthy for people to know because it's been an on-going thread issue lately. Drew for 5 hours earlier, how about you friend

>>4523093
I hope you’re trolling, all that’s needed is /beg/, /draw/, /alt/ and /trad/. really we don’t even need /asg/ that badly because it could easily merge with /beg/. /draw/ is for “intermediates” because what else would qualify you for posting there, being pro? there aren’t enough (if any) pro level artists here to justify having a whole thread. I like the idea of beg being the fastest moving thread where anyone can post their studies or practice regardless of skill level because you might actually get a crit here.

>>4523396
I see your point but I didn't exactly implied any quitting. Striving for a goal might also translate into stressing over something that you might not actually achieve. There's nothing wrong with being a casual or a pro if you enjoy what you do

It's ego

>>4523403
>>4521455

>>4523406
I posted
>>4523302

New

>>4523421 >>4523421 >>4523421 >>4523421

>>4523407
I agree /beg/ and /int/ pretty much blend in together so it's pointless to have that many variations of threads with similar levels

>>4523210
Just tried this. How did I do?

>>4523232
That's exactly what I fucking said originally you retard. You started shit over poor reading comprehension.

>>4523070
>our
>us
>>>/d/iscord

>>4522888
Wrong, you're only allowed to leave /beg/ when you can paint like the old masters.

>>4522806
Much easier to read

>>4522855
I think what’s really throwing it off is the lighting is suggesting the form of face, but incorrectly. I think studying the planes of the face would be very helpful

>>4523403
blog?

I'm bad at line work/making clean lines (digital art)

I found that using the bezier is easier to use in a lot of situations. Are there any cons to using the bezier? seems like a really useful too for line art but i don't see a lot of digital artists use it

>>4523497
Nice elf there.

My friend said he drew this in 15 minutes. What do you guys think?

>>4523093
>>4523407
we only really needed /draw/ it is not like there is this many people here and many post in more than one thread anyway