/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4517773
Left: Soul
Right: Soulless

>>4517773
Wtf man? You’ll make half of /ic/ have another sperg out session.

>>4517783
Ah yes, the sweet sounds of the talentless as they despair from the sight of someone who looks just like Pixiv after drawing for a year. There is no sound greater.

>>4517773
>>>4492986

>>4517776
Ok so you agree they got better...cool

>>4517773
>They drop the anime CG look because hard shading is a fucking bitch to get right and go for an easier muddier VN coloring style


Lmao

>>4517773
Right one has way more emotion

>>4517879
I hate the VN coloring style, it ruins good designs

>>4517773
Right one looks more appealing and expressive imo

>>4517776
It's the opposite retard

>>4517773
How do I gain his powers bros? His Pixiv bookmarks are all Hameru.

Right one got that woop woop

>>4517776
first post worst post

I posted this in an earlier thread, but left is my first attempt at digital art, right is one I redid a few days ago. 5 years difference.

>>4518218
Oof

>>4518218
huehue

>>4518218
pretty good anon, learn more hands

>>4518229
>>4518232
Oh no, is it bad progress? Please don't neg me I'm a fragile little bitch who only started taking art seriously 2 years ago :'D

>>4518229
>>4518232
Crabs are getting salty

>>4518236
Is good progress fren

>>4517773
one year, and they were only 16/17

>>4517773
>>4518218
>>4518250
Anime artists vs /ic/ is so clear now, dude loves conventional Pixiv art (>>4518038) so much that he draws it now. The people here are more interested in their own thing for better or worse.

>>4517773
The rendering improved, for sure. But the face remained as flat as it was, just slightly brighter. It fits stylistically on the 2019 picture which creates a pleasant image. It looks out of place with the more complex rendering.

>>4518250
>the cat feature underwear
this is pretty funny anon. i like the face. her arms are a mess though, too short upper arms and the hands need a lot of work

>>4517773
Saw this on Twitter earlier, I think it counts.

>>4518252
thank fren.

>>4518307
Aw man, it's like, definitely a technical improvment, but this is a good example of soul v.s. soulless.

>>4518322
how is the improved drawing less soul?

>>4518235
I definitely need more hands in my life.
I think realistically this is actually more like 2 years difference, because between 2015-2018 I actually stopped drawing altogether.

>>4518322
disagree. all sketchy styles seem more soul just because they have gaps for our eyes to fill in.

>>4517879
>>4517939
WTF is a VN coloring style? post examples plz

>>4518334
i think they mean visual novel.

>>4518331
I prefer the left because it kind of reminds me of the old loose, flowing style Japanese conceptual artists employed during that era. When a design is too tight it loses something imo.

>>4518250
Nice.

>>4518345
lol but it lacks all the structure of your pic. You only see the superficial aspects.

>>4518345
That's one hell of a stretch.

>>4518250
Patrician fucking taste. Sick skills too.

>>4517773
>Has an extremely loyal followbase.
Fuck bros, do I really gotta smile and wave at everyone while having a discernible backstory just to climb the social ladder?

There's no way to improve perfection.
https://www.artstation.com/santalahti

>>4518956
based

>>4518956
based

>>4518254
So he learned rendering? Not that impressive.

>>4518931
>tfw no one will ever, ever reply this to me

>>4517776
came to post this

>>4518950
>discernible backstory
What do you mean?

>>4517879
>>4517939
What the fuck are you retards talking about? Since when is VN coloring is a style? You do realized that hard shading in anime was born because it's faster and easier to do for animations right retards?

>>4518973
Impressive or not, at least they learned something. They also seem to have learned some aspects of rhythm, values, and the slightest bit of color theory, though that neck shadow is oddly more saturated than the rest of the skin, meaning the whole of the face is in highlight... unless that's subsurface scattering but wtf??
ANYWAYS your critique isn't very useful or specific fag

>>4518990
Red-green colorblind, people used an ask site to be rude to him during his earliest months as an artist.

>>4518956
based

>>4517773
I wish they had kept the bubbly style of the right while incorporating the shading style of the left.

>>4518950
he's an autist waifufag propped up by an unpopular, shitty fighting game's community that's starved for any art whatsoever. he can't draw anything other than orie. most of these twitter artists/fanartists you see can only draw one thing and if they deviate from that then you see how terrible they are at making art. twitter upvotes aren't worth anything.

>>4518218
Its an improvement if thats what youre asking.

>>4518991
>I-It's easier bro haha
Literally only Masami Obari and some other guy from studio half hp can pull it off. Nuartists can't do authentic looking hard cg to save their lives

>>4517773
BEFORE -> AFTER
BEFORE -> AFTER
BEFORE -> AFTER
FUCKING REATARDS

>>4518218
The problem with the one on the right is the tumblr look of her head and face. It seems like some people actually enjoy that so do with that what you want.
Something that's objectively wrong though is her potato of a chin.

>>4518322
Shut up autist you have no idea what soul is

>>4518218
A big technical improvement, but the newer version isn't all that sexy despite a nice ass. The big round chin makes her face look very... common, for lack of a better word, and the thin lips aren't very sensual. I don't find angry all that appealing in general, but I think even people who do are generally looking for a different type of angry? Flushed face, a bit of aggression or dominance, not defensive and uncomfortable which is the vibe I'm getting from your piece.

I really like the way you conveyed the shaved head though, the texture looks very convincing yet soft.

>>4519717
>something that's objectively wrong
Nope. Your argument is a completely subjective one and in my subjective opinion you've edited the figure to have an arguably weak chin.

I'm a big fan of the 80's aesthetic and classical Greek aesthetic in their depiction of conventional female beauty was displayed in big meaty chins, or strong, angular jaws. Perceptions of modern female beauty have skewed towards women having smaller, weaker jaws, and I think a lot of that has to do with the dominance of anime/mange and Asian aesthetics, which emphasises a small face above all else.

At the end of the day I respect your opinion, but there's nothing objective about it.

>>4519795
greeks are a bunch of assfucking faggots. of course they'd appreciate those more.

>>4517773
Right with left rendering would be perfect.

>>4518334
https://red-entertainment.co.jp/edu/en/

>>4518991
>Since when is VN coloring is a style
>>4520196
LMAO

>>4517773
Why do people put the new one on the left. I was gonna say how bold he was in going for a more soulful but less normie-appealing style on the right. The rendering on the left is obviously a lot better, but the drawing is stiff and boring compared to the right.

>>4520712
Really like this one for some reason. I feel like it still has the soul of the original.

>>4519695
imagine thinking left to right

>>4518322
look at the fucking monstrous shoulder girdle and arms on the left and tell me thats "soul"

>>4521169
Your left or mine?

>>4518218
The new one is actually pretty good anon, very well done, especially considering how utterly shit the older one is.

>>4523295
you can tell he still has shit aesthetics taste in the head

>>4517776
Retard

>>4519795
>Perceptions of modern female beauty have skewed towards women having smaller, weaker jaws, and I think a lot of that has to do with the dominance of anime/mange and Asian aesthetics, which emphasises a small face above all else.

Japan doesn't have this much influnece over humanity, friend.

>>4523380
>Japan doesn't have this much influnece over humanity, friend

You're completely right, which is why Western female aesthetics still favour a heavier, more angular jaw. I am guessing >>4519717 is a fan of the old 'nime though which is why he probably prefers a smaller face.

I didn't draw the exact same thing again but I think this comparison still demonstrates some level of improvement.

>>4523972
you got worse

>>4518218
Mamma

>>4523972
Are you really studying from life, or stylised illustration?

>>4523985
In what way?
>>4524137
I study from life

>>4517776
The progress goes from right to left.
>N-NO WAIT WHAT I MEANT TO SAY WAS
lmao you soul fags just got fucking exposed, choke yourself

>>4520712
>1 year, 3 months

fuck me

>>4517773
technically they did improve, but i fucking hate the face of the redraw, looks so lifeless. i also prefer the messier hair of the old one but that's more of a personal preference

>>4523972
This is cool

>>4517776
lmao neither of them have a pinch of soul imo

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>>4526457
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>>4517773
chaesu is so shit lol

>>4526490
Still better than you ever will be

>>4526492
half the people on ic are better than him

he's been drawing the same anime girl every day for like 3 years and still isnt any closer to knowing how clothing works

In fact the right pic in the OP looks far better than the left one so he's actually gotten worse over time. crazy.

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>>4526507
Are you part of that half? It should be easy to prove it. If not you can be disregarded as a blind crab.

>>4517776
retarded meme

>>4526521

Im pointing out legitimate criticism with his work, in which you can see a lot of people agree on in this thread. But im guessing you're one of the drones that eats up whatever he posts so theres no point in trying to convince you of anything since people like you think hes the greatest artist of this generation or something and can do no wrong.

>>4526546
No work? Ok, you're confirmed for blind crab

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>>4526552
God chaesu and his drones are so fucking cringe...

dude can only draw one type of face. Its really not hard to be better than him lol

>>4526605
If it's that easy prove it.

>>4523972
you're supposed to improve you numbskull

>>4517773
the right is technically worst but aesthetically better
i mean the one on the left looks devoid of any emotion
it looks like it’s being forced to get into a pose while the one on the right genuinely looks excited
this is great for him to shit on other artists but i’d never read a manga with artsyle like in the left bc everything would feel bland and fake
i know soul is spammed so much that it became a meme now but this is a very good example of going from soul to soulless.

Whats the point of this if you aren't posting your own work?
Talking about other people's shit is too easy.

>>4523972
You improved the proportions of the torso, but got too scared of indicating the shadow planes in the process.

>>4517773
>>4526695
>Right was made when he was starting to gain traction, eager to celebrate his new best friend even.
>Left has him at a point where he's achieved everything he could have wanted with the only real direction now being to look more like Pixiv.

>>4526521
>>4526552
>>4526608
not that anon but post your work when you ask other people to do so
you sound ignorant otherwise

>>4527292
They won't post work even if I did, and I'm not the crab that claims it's easy to be better chaesu, so posting my work won't prove anything. Only bad artists crab, and the lack of work posted itt proves it.

>>4518250
sweet improvement, and delicious work on the body
genuinely a treat to look at

original image has date modified at 2015 so this is about about a 4.5 - 5 years

>>4528949
soulless

>>4528953

Soulless vs soul

>>4528953
>>4528965
im gonna smack you soulfags around and spit in your mouth.

>>4528965
Both are soulless

>>4517773
>tfw no Lex.
>tfw no Kaguya.
>tfw 2 Mikas.
>tfw 1 Hilda.
>tfw no Vatista.
I know this dude is physically railroaded into Orie and all but he sure doesn’t like UNI.

This is mine, the characters and their looks changed a lot like how in the beginning the purple character was a girl, but I changed it to a boy because I felt like I needed to draw men more. This is over the course of six years.

>>4518250
What date were both drawn?

>>4517773
Polished no fundies

>>4529719
I think I like 2 the best. Better designs, and friendlier feeling peeps.

>>4519717
The original chin gave her a lot more character than your sissy chin edit

here's mine guys

>>4530473
lol

>>4530442
who needs fundies when you have thousands of people blowing smoke up your ass because they dont know any better?

>>4530496
seethe harder nigger

>>4526578
blog

>>4530975
Yeah I’m seething sooooo hard why can’t I do polished no fundies like him :((((

>>4530473
soul - souless

>>4532294
Because you only do unpolished no fundies

Am I gmi?

>>4532867
idk

>>4532867
She got whiter, so that does make her better.

>>4532867
start drawing white people/anime characters

>>4519695
underrated

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>>4526578
What's up with all these gigadrill pics?

>>4528953
soul
>>4528967
soulless

>>4520712
>a bit over a year
Literally how?

>>4523972
Based Paleoposter

>>4518956
>https://www.artstation.com/artwork/wX0KY
>Why yes I am a master portraitist with hundreds of finished works in my portfolio, what gave it away

>>4518250
good shit

>>4532867
No, you're an eternal ngmi /beg/.

>>4529719
Why do these styles always become more smug over time?

>>4533124
because with age, artists become more sassy which reflects in their art.

almost half a year of daily drawing, what do you guys think?

>>4536267
You drawings gained details but the bottom left furry is the one with the most life. The "this week" drawing is stiff and the lines aren't as confident as before

>>4536320
What exactly makes bottom left have "life"? To me, shes just standing there like the rest of them. Also yeah I stopped caring about line quality, obviously I could still do that.

>>4536346
Well, for once she's not simply standing tall, like a line looking in the void as if she was a 16-bits RPG character. You can feel her "weight", her body language indicates she is, or was in motion and her eyes directly look at the viewer.

It's the same problem as OP's picture. The technique progressed but it lost the """soul""" as much as a meme it is. It feels mechanical.

But maybe it's just a stiff isolated drawing, after all.

>>4536346
I think it's the way she's more intimately staring at the viewer, whilst smiling and holding the staff more outwards from her body; it looks like she's seen the viewer, is smiling at them (expressing emotion at the viewer always makes a drawing feel more alive), and holding out the staff just makes it look more open and friendly.

Not a redraw but still
year and a half difference

>>4536363
Jesus that Improvement is spectacular
Great work, anon

>>4536356
technical improvement is all that matters, all else is just literally a piece by piece matter, taste if you're generous. I've had the same shit called full of soul and soulless countless of times, it's literally just a meme. I'd rather be mechanically skilled and not be a fucking giga brainlet /beg/ than apparently have "soul".

>>4536363
Very impressive gains, good work.

>>4519795
Shit we wuz greeks n shit?

>>4536401
It seems like I've hit a sensible point. Do you know about Umineko? There's a reason why everyone prefers the original sprites, despite how "ugly" they are compared to the technically superior "remade" sprites. Your new drawing was stiff, that's all, despite how many fluff you added
""Soul"" is a meme, which is why I used the quotations marks but there's an underlying truth behind the shitposting. It's Artisanat Vs mass produced objects made by a machine. OP became another no-name, any VN artist could have done it.

The drawing you just posted is much better

>>4536449
the sensible spot being retarded takes, yes. People who tell themselves "mass produced" "renderchink" and whatever else you call them artists on artstation are garbage because they lack soul are just peak cope most of the time.

haven't really changed much

>>4536490
Instead of drawing same thing again and again try following some courses

>>4536474
Yeah, most of the time. There's still no denying their art, while very competent, is just serviceable. After all, artstation is mostly here to advertise concept artists. Nobody cares about the drawing themselves, the art, but what can be done with them, as a basis for a future video game. The technique is praised, not the art.


That's not to say technique is uncompatible with artfulness, pic very related.

not really redraws but similar subject matter I guess?

>>4536597
much better forms and sense of depth, especially on the inkling/octoling(I really have no idea) vs ankha. Muscles/anatomy has improved considerably and the boobs actually feel like an object in 3d space as opposed to flat circles. The lower bandages need some work though, it doesnt feel as if the thighs are the cylinders they actually are.

>>4536604
the ankha was mostly an attempt to draw nice boobs but I could go back and try to finish the rest of her

>>4536607
If you say so. You aren't drawing for me, you're drawing for yourself. The boobs are definitely 20000 steps up, but that might just be because you picked an absolutely terrible pose for showing them off in 2018.

>>4536611
this was a more recent attempt at that character, once again cut off at mid thigh due to laziness
I'm revealing to myself that I need to draw legs more, at least

>>4536618
good job, she looks less like a roided up tranny midget and more like an athletic girl. How'd you improve so much at muscles? Just drawing musclegirls or active studying?

>>4536631
probably almost entirely raw mileage, I'm very bad at studying
I did get anatomy for sculptors last December, which is a cool book

>>4517776
proof /ic/ is illiterate

>>4517776
dude i fucking hate this board

>>4517776
It is the opposite

>>4518956
That profile is the most unnerving thing i've seen in months, thanks anon

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>>4528953
First had a soul, the second one is just a scared of being original & true to yourself/ twitter copycat coomer rendering that you have seen a billion of times before!

>>4538373
I have lost the ability to tell apart people mocking soulposters and soulposters

>>4536496
which do you recommend?

>>4532882
>whiter
She got more of a glow to her skin, not whiter.

>>4517879
Name of the artbook, please
Even if it's just the title in moonrunes so that I could research further

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>>4526480
BLOG PLEASE

>>4517773
I've been making a few redraws over the time, but there's still stuff I suck at. In this case: hands.

>>4539363
all you redrew was the head, hands and one shoulder? plus the old hands looked better!??

cmon man...

>>4539363
nice improvement on everything except the hands, especially the hand pointing away from us

REALLY starting to notice that the people posting their gains are the ones I rarely see on this board...

>>4518956
I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who had practiced one kick 10,000 times

>>4532942
Drawing anime is a completely different pipeline than actually learning how to draw. The subjects, angles, colors etc in anime repeat over and over, whereas the usual point of drawing is being able to draw anything.

>>4539434
People who are making it don't have time to argue semantics with people who are /beg/ on /ic/.

>>4539380
>old hands looked better

Oh, /ic/...

>>4540103
the only thing that somewhat improved is how the wrist looks on the right

if you think any other part about the hands is objectively better you're actually beg

>>4536110
that's a pretty sweet improvement

>>4541667
lmao

>>4539434
I rarely draw anything worth posting

>>4520712
I've been drawing for two years and am no where near this good.

>>4541743
Talent is real

>>4536401
How can you "technical improve" in a art-based practice?

How do I stop being a beginner? I've been drawing for two years and I still cant escape this plateau.

Not a redraw but my progress so far

>>4542317
where'd you learn anatomy from?

>>4536267
Which program are you using?

If you're not gonna use a brush with opacity by pen pressure you might aswell be using microsoft paint.

Use a brush that allows to make light/opaque lines when pressing lightly and dark/bold lines with when pressing heavy. This will allow you to make small sketchy lines you can use to find the form and then press heavy to make an actual line when youve found the form and want to represent it.

>>4542449
the problem with this kind of style is cleaning up the stray lines if you want to color/finish it
and don't say have a dedicated lineart layer, Im done with trying to trace my actual lines and coming up with a worse version

>>4542403
so far i've checked hogarth's and hampton's figure drawing books and loomis' fun with a pencil

>>4542449
why yes, I am infact using microsoft paint. I've tried pen pressure before (I do own CSP), and I prefer this a lot. If I am feeling fancy I might use drawpile for the layer functionality, but usually I won't.
I sometimes do what you've described with a 1px pencil and a 3px pencil though.
>>4542479
very based, lineart layers are for cuckolds

>>4542479
Just make the scratchy mess in another layer.

>>4542479
Would you want to color a scratchy mess that has opaque lines and are hard to see or dark black lines like this? >>4542500

Unless you're fucking kim jung gi I dont see another way

>>4517773
Bros, how does he get away with drawing literally one character 80% of the time?

>>4543159
He is colorblind. Also, people care about that particular anime girl, he marketed her very well

>>4517773
It's like the character has depth now
How did he achieve that? I'm still on right

>>4543159
If you're good enough you can make a monopoly on a single specific character.

>>4543159
people feel sorry for him

>>4518218
I like how the older drawing is shit but her butt was almost flawless

>>4536490
cute

>>4517773
Post an Orie. I want to see who is the most Orie of the Ories.

>>4544433

The only orie I ever really liked is AkaiRiot's orie

>>4544433
Have this stranger I found from the outskirts of UNI.

rate my improvement bros

i-is it ok

>>4542317
Underrated, really nice work anon

>>4536637
Always weird to me that an anatomy book feels the need to censor the nippies

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>>4526578
let me suck you dry

>>4545627
looking good, but post one for 2020

>>4545773
I don't really have a good equivalent yet. I just did this, though it's a different character and it took way longer than the others.

>>4545627
2019 is peak soul

>>4518322
>bad art = S O U L
>good art = SOULLESS!!
Stay in the bucket, crab.

>>4546322
Thank you, that's what having a waifu does for you

>>4518345
this isn't loose nor sketchy at all

>>4518956
my worst fear.

>>4518254
Which video is this from?

>>4544433
Tried to draw her once for a /v/ request back in 2016, but never managed to finish it.

>>4549579
What's your blog? I want to know what you draw like now.

>>4532867
nigger

>>4548216
No fucking way

>>4549579
that muscle definition looks good as hell.