/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

I don't like Loomis and never have, even after reading all his shilled books

>>4513430
Whenever I see art better then mine I get a rage so strong it can rivel the Gods but it helps me get motivated to draw

>>4513430
I spend weeks, if not months, working on very basic pieces. Just Lineart. Not even anything good, my anatomy is off and everything looks like shit (although I've been studying lots of Loomis and Bridgman to try and rectify this). I know, I'm fucking retarded. I'm sorry, father, for I have failed you.

>>4513449
Fags be out there reading loomis unironically...

>>4513460
I know. I'm sorry.

I can't get myself to read art books. They are boring as fuck all I do is look at the pictures. Especially anatomy books. What's the fucking point of the words

>>4513430
I use the lasso tool

im sick of niggers on this board whod rather post in confession threads than give critique or post their work or contribute anything.

>>4513431
>don't like him and never have
>I have read ALL of his books
Yeah, there is no way that happened. You probably skimmed through one or at most two books of his.

>>4513512
based and gmi
>>4513478
get anatomy for sculptors, it's almost all pictures

>>4513522
I read and did fun with a pencil and figure drawing for all its worth. I did skim through the rest, but that's because there's nothing there that can't be obtained in a better and more fun way.

I cant read, yet I am an prosefional illustratotr

I draw realistic faces mainly because I'm bad at stylizing.

>>4513560
>prosefional illustratotr

2 in 5 posts i make are crabposting. I lurk the /beg/ thread and spend a long time thinking up new ways of crabbing them.
When i draw, my focus is on crabbing.
I want to make it, not to make a living of art, but to give truly bad advice and then follow a
>pyw
with uncontestably great work!

>>4513430
I blame my none existent social media gains on not posting denerate (or) coomer art and convince myself that it's just the easy way out to create a following even with no particular artistic skills.

>>4513512
So? It's no different from using tape to block off parts you don't want to paint.

>>4513430
I have a sudden urge to tell a Dunning-Kruger that his art is shit and to stop giving shitty advice because he's not qualified. I don't know if it's because I am weak-willed or because I feel like doing the admin a favor and not start shit.

>>4513572
I really hope this is just a dumb shitpost, otherwise you are doomed to stay a retard ngmi forever, even with talent.

>>4513560
sounds gay tbqh my lad. how much do you make monthly?

I love my art boyfriend and I think about him every day.

>>4513781
this. but I love my gf. she cute

>>4513709
its real like israel is real. truserino my.

>I really hope this is just a dumb shitpost, otherwise you are doomed to stay a retard ngmi forever, even with talent.

she is.

>>4513430
The main reason why I worked on learning perspective is because I'm a filthy coomer with a macro fetish

>>4513478
Ducking download Proko anatomy from video thread and use it. Stop playing games and listening to the kangaroo mermen fags. Yes he sucks at imagination but if (You) want Anatomy videos with lessons to go with he is the guy. So far I’ve learned a lot from him that I’m feeling a bit guilty downloading his stuff. I’m broke, but whenever I have enough money I’ll buy his course to help him out. Call me a fucking shill if you want but I hate books to and he’s the only artist with a anatomy course that’s easy and well presented.

>>4513560
I can write words (my asistan is shitpostin for me)

>>4513804
*cant

sorry, my assistant fucked up

I only come to /ic/ because I want to see asukafag succeed one day

>>4513430
i cheated and went straight for digital instead of traditional

>>4513709
>>4513709
i'm 100% unironically serious man. I only want to paint well so that i can crab people more effectively.

I've only been learning 3D for a month and I'm already giving people on /3/ advice as if I knew what I'm talking about, just like the people on here do.

>>4513891
This is the worst motivation I have ever heard of, you are better off being a narcissist. Well deserved ngmi.

I don't draw. I spend the whole day just browsing 4chan.
I wish I died in my sleep.

>>4513572
Reveal your secrets. What do you say to crab people.

>>4514083
I'm not going to reveal too much for obvious reasons, but one of the simplest yet most effective ways is to create a general sense of confussion and distrust of the regular recommended study material, loomis for instance, and push the idea that newer and more simplified material is objectively better and superior eg; proko. And that the key to success is to have access to such newer content, specially if it is behind a paywall.
Now i rather enjoy coming up with many such tricks in which i crab /beg/s with subtlety and slowly change the board's culture towards ngming even more.

>>4514338
You're doing us all a favor. People shouldn't be taking advice from 4chan in the first place.

>>4514367
>You're doing us all a favour
Yes i believe so.
I don't only lurk around 4chan mind you. I'm a neet with good time management skills, so i really try to spoil most mainstream art forums by giving bad advice on the regular, well forums, discords, youtube communities, deviant art, facebook groups whenever i can gain access to one... Thanks to the sticky my skills are well above average among almost any online art community.
Here everything is simpler and more pure, but to disinform normies is much more of an art.
You present a cheerful personality that wants to give advice in earnest and then shill for jazza and proko.
Whenever i share bad info, i can't contain my smile! because i know i will cause a lot of people to ngmi.

>>4514440
I'm dying loooool

>>4514440
You're doing the Lord's work anon. The less people that makes it,the more available work will be for everyone.
Based anon and thank God for Jazza.

I'm soon to graduate my non-art degree and start a non-art career.
But being arbitrarily homestuck like this has made me miss days being weeb, semi-neet, drawing and dreaming of making it big before uni. I'd thought I could turn art into a sidegig in the long run, but going through a bunch of job interviews recently has made me realise how dull everything is and that I really want to focus solely on art.
I may just be really delusional and childish to avoid any semblance of real work, and I've been so out of touch I don't even know how to break into the industry, but I want to try to make it properly. I'm considering taking a gap year after my graduation to dedicate to art.

>>4514440
You slimy bastard, lmao.

>>4514492
>I may just be really delusional and childish to avoid any semblance of real work
Yes, you are.
Get a steady job and be financially stable in your mid-life. Stop being a fucking child who wants to eat candy for dinner.

>>4514492
What's your degree and career? If you want and can afford it, nothing wrong with taking a gap year.

Also there's merit to building a steady nest while you're young so you can have some stability later when you can pursue your real passions, even if it's just in your 30's.

>>4513430
Back when I was a crab I posted some shitty discord users art on here, but since I'm no longer a crab seeing people repost the image makes me cringe inside. I turned some random dweeb into an /ic/ shitpost. For those curious I posted the crappy pokemon drawing with the "Finally after 8 hours"

My name is Stanislav Prokopenko. Cope with tis information you loosers.

ps; I seeecretly know how to dra cangure. It was all the meme. The marketing. Smoke and mirrors, you know,. Just to be clear.

>>4513572
Then what are the other 3 out of 5 posts??

>>4514618
SEE? i AM NOT JOKING HERE, SO STOP MAKING FUN OF ME. THE LIVE DRAWING WAAS JUST A MEME

>>4514703
weak bait. yourae not proko arent you?

>>4513430
Everyone who hates loomis has probably never made it past fun with a pencil.

>>4514440
>>4514367
dont encourage this bitter faggot kikemaster 3000 please

>>4514940
did you fall for one of my crabposts? If so, i'm pleased beyond what you can imagine.
I'm always glad to see other people fall behind because of my direct action.

I started doing commissions recently and because I draw coom-shit I've been getting a lot of interest. More than I expected for sure, and enough that I've had to start waitlisting. Every time I open Twitter though I keep seeing how far behind so many other incredible artists I am, and it makes me wonder why the hell anyone would pay for my art. It doesn't really have any appeal. I don't get it. Feels bad man.

>>4515042
How does it feel bad that people like your shit enough to pay for it? What the fuck.

>>4515042
That’s how it is, anon. It’s always the coomers

>>4515052
I mean, I certainly appreciate that part and try to do my best on the commissions, but I guess the insecure part of me feels like it's a lie or false sense of confidence you know? Like I know how far behind I am, so why don't they see it too? Or like I'm scared of disappointing people because I'm not that good. I dunno it's dumb, I just want to be good.

>>4514440

You know proko is all bammes, right? All his diagrams are gotfried bammes' constructive drawings.
If you've been turning people toward proko, you've unironically been helping people, not the opposite.

>>4515042

pros dont draw enough ass and titties, anon. Why would you feel bad for filling a niche interest?
If you feel your drawings need some work, why not take a class on what you feel you lack? Then incorporate it into your coom drawings.

>>4514440
>"I'm a crab"
>"I got good by reading the sticky"
I wonder if this is the real crabbing?

>>4515060
If youre genuinely mediocre and not just shitting on your art, then you need to realize something; they are not artists. They see your art, like it, and want to buy it. The buyer doesnt actually care if your art isnt 100% anatomically correct or the work of the gods, they only care if it appeals to them. They wont be disappointed because theyre actively seeking out your work because they like it.
To them, youre great. Youre making money off art, be happy and keep striving for improvement.

>>4515088
Thanks Anon I appreciate that. I'll just keep doing my best to improve and being happy with what I have.

>>4515088
As an artist it comes with the territory that you self-evaluate constantly, but art customers are regular people who are mostly like "I just want something for [place to put art]", nice everyday objects. You're the cook and the only thing you have to know is that they eat up
>>4515085
Not the meta crab! My mind AAAAA

>>4513560
Hell yeah, rock on dude

>>4513430
sleep deprivation is the only time i can draw

I confess I keep coming back at this place for two reasons, to harvest all of the free materials that sometimes get posted and to have a good time laughing at the funny stuff most people post here... even when most people hate me for being a furry and the transexual genderfluid nonbinary janitor deletes my work when I post it.

I confess that I am a mexican posting from Mexico's city, I have no idea why most of my threads get over 50 replies when in the hispanic chan (hispachan) all of my threads simply get ignored.

>>4513430
I open random threads and then click at random posts and, without even reading what they say, I reply to them with these three magic letters:
>p
>y
>w

>>4514440
Any discord servers you could recommend crabbing on?

>>4516467
Any mainstream discord server is good. Look for art-related youtube channels, a lot of them have discords and they're ripe for crabbing.
A good place to start is the DokiDokidrawing discord server. Full of weebs who are bad at drawing and very guillible.
Avoid the more autistic servers like crimson daggers or /ic/related ones, they're much harder to fool and will call you out faster.

>>4516478
Any quick tips in crabbing like a pro like you? Just a simple rundown is good enough.

>>4516480
Not the original crab but here is my personal MO
>Post work that's good enough for your advice to be considered but not so good that people might think you're gatekeeping
>Avoid confrontation at ALL costs. Always compromise if someone resists the memes you're pushing, confusion is always better
eg;
Crab: Drawing from life is not important
supsicious beg: Actually it is very important
Crab: Oh i didn't mean it wasn't important at all, it just isn't the most important thing
>Spread infographs and tutorials instead of referencing books
>Give examples of bad artists as your artistic references, don't ever mention good artists
>Push proko, jazza and other meme youtubers
>Discourage people from grinding, cite "burnout risk" as worse than not drawing at all
>Push the idea that 3d modelling improves your drawing skills (this one is quite an elegant way of crabbing, since it will send people down another rabbithole of a skill that they will also not learn)

There are many ways, you must forge your own way of the crab.

>>4516505
What's it called when you think someone is impressive and pathetic at the same time?

>>4516505
Thanks, now I got something else to do when im bored, but I really feel like making a discord account again would eat my gains to high hell. But will keep in mind in the future.

>>4516512
Flabbergasting?
Maybe appalling

I feel bad for some reason when a mutual unfollows me. I would not care if they didn't follow me in the first place.

The spite, malice, and envy on /ic/ is quite something to behold.

>>4513430
I honestly just wanted to make some art friends and gain some attention with my work but;
Most artists are really insufferable and I'd rather shoot myself in the ass with a shotgun than try to not commit a hate crime by treating them like the filthy faggots non-people they are with their shitty delusional identity politics.
And i don't want to lure in underage retards or pornfags with titty drawings, which i accidentally did a few times whenever i posted any female in any shape or form.
I've been reporting pornfags on normie media whenever their work wasn't censored because fuck em and rules are rules.
I've shitposted, crabbed and baited more than i've drawn.
It's just so fun when you've got a mix of normies, legit autist and hypercompetitive insecure faggots that feel threatened by the smallest thing.
It's even better when they think and prove that they can draw better than you. It's even better when they have a legion of shills riding their dicks.
It's like high school all over again.

>>4516755
Its ok anon the seniors bullied me also

>>4516762
I was the bullies bully.
I got beat up bad every time but it was always worth it.

>>4516755
Aren't you the "femanon" schizo that thinks everyone is donating to your patreon? Your whole post reeks of jealousy and crab mentality. No wonder you can only draw shitpost doodles.

>>4514440
First internet thing that's made me laugh irl for like a minute straight in months.

I don't know what's more fucked up, if you actually do these things, or if it's all made up.

>>4516772
And the perfect example of why i'm so good at this.
I'll pay you on (you) to buy some confidence, tranny

>>4516780
The only thing you're so good at is dying alone on a catanoese cartoon board.

>>4516790
This is the korean basket weaving forum

>>4516790
Sorry, i don't speak 40% suicide rate.

I feel like im not improving in anyway
im soon out of art school fuck my life why did i do this to myself

>>4516798
Is being a retard for attention your idea of making it? Post some actual non-shitpost work.

>>4516805
Pyw
Didn't you have to draw a lot in art school? Didn't the grinding make you better?

>>4516807
>Implying
Is being assblasted by some rando on the internet your idea of being a real person?
post my work and i'll tell you if can send your discord trannies to harass me

I fap to 95% of the art I make

>>4516815
>n-no u!!
>refuses to post work
Ok, so you're only here to shitpost and roleplay as 'le ebin trole'. Not going to give you anymore attention, so you'll hopefully go outside and find another hobby.

>>4516823
Just post my work

>>4516811
dont feel like it. dont see it either. feel useless that i cant formulate my own art. I have to draw something already drawn to get a sense on how. just dont feel like ive learned anyhting in 3 years

>>4516755
>Most artists are really insufferable
Problem might be you dude. All artists I've met in real life are pretty cool. Do you only interact with people on the internet?

>>4516811
maybe i started drawing regularlly late or something eh i dont know

>>4516841
Pretty sure i am not the problem. From an objective perspective, of course.
People don't like being called out on their bullshit so it's easy to get on their bad side.
>All artists I've met in real life are pretty cool.
Good for you
>Do you only interact with people on the internet?
Do you?

>>4516868
>Do you?
No. Well, kinda right now because of corona but usually I interact with people IRL. I go to uni so that's kind of mandatory. What about you?

>>4516805
>>4516846
Also in art school, definitely had that feeling before, and it’s hard to get over that hump sometimes - is it an issue of not having good study focus maybe? I ask because there was a fair bit of time that I spent kinda going through the motions of doing assignments and not planning my time well, and just generally didn’t take full advantage of the school resources, and that really affected a feeling of spinning the wheels - I’m not sure if that’s true for your situation, or if it’s just the art low talking, but I’d definitely recommend doing things like blocking out schedules, or using the school’s literary resources to their fullest before leaving.

>>4516872
I have to go out and talk to people because of my work and it usually involves me smelling their lies.

>>4513430
im worried im going forever NGMI, and I wished someone told me the right straight way to the top without that much hassle, but i won't ask nor do anything to improve actually.

>>4515077
>proko is good
not falling for this crab, thank you

>>4513430
applied to uni arts courses

>they want interviews
>they want portfolios

>i have still done nothing to prepare and are /beg/ tier shit who cant even use a graphics tablet properly

i need to stop shitting around and crying and get to grinding but i have a horrible habit of leaving things last minute, its fucked me many times but i cannot afford it now.

my life needs routine and i need discipline, im going to try by setting out specific times to start learning to grind my art, idk specifically how but ill ask /beg/ to guide me slightly

once i can actually SIT down and slog through it i may be able to start getting somewhere.

thanks for reading my blog sorry for the long post


:tldr - anon needs discipline to make it to uni, but is a lazy shit instead

>>4517211
Take your adhd meds

>>4517218
i dont even have adhd i think

>>4517222
This is how you build discipline, hide all your vidya, stop browsing /ic/ get all the resources you need for your goal in mind, and set up an autistic routine, you need to be committed to do this everyday. Ultimately turnoff your internet connection and start drawing shit that you need. Make a routine everyday to draw X for X amount of time stick to it. The hardest thing is getting use to it and starting it so be consistent. My mere words aren’t gonna help you because it’s a mindset thing so its up you to have the will to draw and finish it. And do pic related

>>4517250
thanks for the example

when doing such exercises should one be fast and move on after a certain time limit or should i "finish" each pose/figure before starting the next regardless of how long it took me?

>>4517337
You should finish it anon, you have 24h in a day and 14-16 hour of free time to draw. Just becareful of burnout. Pic related is me 5 days in. I didn’t number the hands because I week ago I drew 100 already so it would be a mess.

>>4517250
ngmi tbqh. looks like autisme. but good for you if this bullcrap helps you...

t. L. Davinci

>>4514440
good fucking lord anon...

>>4514074
I love you anon. I want to see you produce works you're proud of and share them to the world

>>4514440
how can I become this gay?

I hate studies and learning. I just want to draw and get better but its not enjoyable

I make really good money doing adult stuff but I trace and copy like a mother fucker. I Frankenstein all my work together and know one has or will ever know. That’s why I can pump out so much work in a timely fashion which helps me make more money.

>4516889
I highly doubt you go outside or even know what the 'truth' is. You could be lying just to get (you)s.

>>4513430
I have been practicing anatomy & figure drawing. But, after I finish the shapes & body form, I go on to other details... Like claws, a tail, fur textures, fur color, an animal's head... it's the best way to keep me going.

>>4517062

You do you, anon.

I don't enjoy drawing genitals, I would rather draw a sex scene without showing any penis nor vagina

I spent the last 5 months drawing nothing but mediocre shapes in "perspective" with the purpose of training my line control.
>>4517349
Damn. Really neato. Was it a week from starting at 0?

>>4513781
I wish I had a boyfriend to love :C

>>4517250
Damn, that’s nice - I’ve been kinda floundering on the schedule front cause I plan day by day - should really start blocking things out over longer periods.

I've been a lot on /beg lately and told obvious /beg's theyre "not /beg" to give them a false sense of confidence while shitting on actual 'good' begs to crab them even more

>>4517547
I personally love soft core porn more. Also I believe less clothes on women is sexier than no clothes. I love how clothes compliment the body.

>>4517547
>>4517730
adorable anons

I love using the symmetry tool.

>>4514338
>>4514440
Absolutely unequivocally wholeheartedly BASED. Reminder that zoomers growing up today have free infinite resources at their disposal, if millennials/gen Xers are to keep up, crabbing is the only option. Do NOT share resources, do NOT give them good tips, ALWAYS mislead them to waste as much of their time as possible.

I still almost overwhelmingly trace the position, length, and etc of shoulders till wrists

>>4513430
I used to draw a lot when i was in highschool but my parents never actually encourage me to keep going or anything. I stop drawing when i got into university and now i think it's the worst thing i've ever done and really think my life is ruined for not continuing.

>>4518677

I used to draw a lot when i was in highschool but my parents literally threw away my drawings

>>4518677
I feel you anon.
My parents never encouraged me- whenever I showed them a drawing (or talk about any hobby really) they'd not give a shit or tell me I should focus on school more, it was always about school and work. Made me quit drawing for years, and I can't help but resent them for that. It's awkward now that I'm studying art seriously.
>>4518708
Fuck that's harsh.

>>4518718
>It's awkward now that I'm studying art seriously.
wish i study art or animation wich was my passions as a child and was the only thing in my whole life that i really cared to know. But now that i'm almost to finish study law on university i feel like i can't go back to that...

Sendarum on twitter paid to make this splatoon sex doll and then had an """"artist"""" photoshop a dragondildo onto it.
>For money.
>For Real

>>4518708
At least your parents didn’t throw out your drawings when you were in elementary school.

>>4518738
I guess it depends if you're a burger? In my country debt isn't a thing so I stopped during year 2 of my soul-crushing law bachelor to go learn art in an atelier, don't feel like I lost anything.

>>4518748
oh they did that too lol they thought my art was unchristian

>>4514440

Zoomer here, when did people grow so cold and malicious? Isn't it the role of the younger generation to build on what came before us so we can go further? Isn't that the point of civilization?

>>4518777
>debt isn't a thing so I stopped during year 2 of my soul-crushing law bachelor to go learn art in an atelier
Why don't we have this in the USA? I thought we were the richest most powerful country?

I can't find "my style" and i don't have a clue how people find it....

>>4518813
Because we're not communists.

I have a /beg/ friend who’s barely moved the needle toward being okay at art in the last 5 years. He keeps asking me for help but he doesn’t take any of the advice I give him. He has no artistic problem-solving abilities. He ONLY talks to me to get advice on drawings. When I tell him what might help him(use Pinterest references, start with gesture, foreshorten, etc) he just argues with me, thinking that if he just imagines harder he’ll get it eventually.
He works on his art pretty diligently but it just amounts to wheel-spinning. He won’t just use the billion free online resources to help him solve his problems.
I don’t want to just leave him out in the cold but I also can’t help him, because he doesn’t learn. He has literal autism. I feel like only a paid professional could get through to him.

I ghosted someone because I was afraid of opening up to people. I am sorry, S.

>>4518895
Post his work

My mom said she had found some drawings I did as a kid, so I told her to send them to me expecting to get a laugh out them. Instead they were from the one time I traced some mechs out of the Battletech TTRPG book and then lied about it to everyone at my art class to impress them.

>crabs posting art in /beg/ to fake people out
>other crabs crab on the crab
>/beg/ is an infinite feedback loop of crabs trying to cripple eachother

Masterclass

i cucked my friend because i'm jealous of her work and her girfriend was drunk :/ shes making money off art and i'm an eternal /beg/

>>4518895
this >>4518922

also if he refuses to actually take your advice then you need to stop giving it to him, you're just wasting your own time

>>4518922
Nah, I’d feel like more of an asshole than I already am. It’s not laughably broken, just depressing, and frustrating to be on the receiving end of his /beg/ging.

What I should probably do is tell him point-blank that I can’t help him.

>>4518845
>spending tax money on healthcare and education
>NOOO COMMUNISM
>spending tax money on corporate bailouts every other year
>uhhh it's common sense otherwise the economy would crash without the minimum wage jobs provided by Mr. Shekelberg's billion dollar company

>saved for a cintiq pro 24 like it was dream
>total was over $2,000
>bought used iPad and pen for $500 for mobility
>haven’t touched my tablet in 3 weeks
>don’t think I will either

>>4518964
you sound like a crab

I haven't drawn consistently in years and sporadically doodle every few months. I have a cheap touch pad, plenty of coloring supplies, and paper. But drawing doesn't excite me anymore. It just scares me. I wanted to make my own comic a while.back, but it's so time consuming for something I don't seem to care about anymore. I enjoy other things in my life now (kickboxing, learning languages, reading), but drawing is what I had for YEARS, since I was a child. What do? Is it worth returning?

>>4519857
Maybe - though just cuz everyone might or might not be a crab don’t mean people shouldn’t post in /beg/ - we’re always making a gamble of genuinety anyways, shouldn’t let it stop anyone.

i use references when I draw

>>4520029
Th-that’s not a bad thing anon.

I should've become a sculptor.
I don't actually give a fuck about character design, storytelling, video games, or whatever other crap.
I just want to depict chiseled male bodies and the beauty of man's design.
My other interests include architecture and typography.

drawing is fucking gay.

>>4519994
Anyone succeed in a similar situation? Shameless self bump

>>4518839
Same problem here. I can only repeat what everyone told me so far:
Style forms when you find your own shortcuts to drawing, be it the use of certain shapes, colors, your technique and also when you copy certain traits of art(ists) you like. Or the /ic/ short version:
>just draw bro it comes naturally, don't put the cart before the horse

>>4520494
/ic/ seems to be right, provided you draw enough and make stuff that would require you to develop shortcuts to stay productive.
Of course you won't develop any shortcuts if all you do is value studies of asaro heads that take a week and gestures that never become finished pieces.

>>4518802
If he's not being ironic, he's a legitimate subhuman and should just be ignored

TRACING IS GOOD FOR PRACTISE

>>4518802
Yes, yes it is. People became jaded when they were exposed to prolonged baiting and crabbing on anonymous forums

>>4516755
You are just another hurdle for me to overcome. I will not let you stop me from achieving my gains.

>>4518895
>>4519007
If you're dealing with actual autism, you've probably seen the best your ever going to get. It's like how a kid draws, oblivious to how it looks. Only they're never going to catch on.
And with autism, you have to be direct, sometimes forceful. Anything else and you risk literally a random interpretation.

>>4513430
I have yet to go on /beg/

>>4520530
>>4520630
t. zoomers or dipshits

"Younger generation" in this context includes zoomers, millennials, and gen Xers still trying to find their way. Zoomers won't get it because they're growing up with all this innovation, but the children of boomers were handed a raw deal. Their parents literally thought showing up at the job with a firm handshake was enough to secure living wages, in a time when outsourcing labor overseas was ravaging the work landscape across the nation.

Of course these people would be bitter watching zoomers take advantage of all these resources at their fingertips, youtube and patreon stars half their age with more success at less effort than they've known their entire life.

Why should these people feel obligated to help the zoomers when they're directly competing with them for marketshare?

>>4521565
Zoomers are handed a pretty raw deal too if you think about it, between the basically fake gig economy, the inflated cost of higher education, the continual decrease of wages and all - can't change hearts and minds, but I do legitimately hope people here can find a sense of solidarity in helping eachother hone eachothers art skills that transcends generational conditions, cause we're all going down a similar rocky path.

I secretly admire gains goblin, not because he’s good but because he’s autistically obtuse to discouragements and he actually keeps drawing without any sense of shame

>>4522637
I also agree. There's something inspiring about having the ability to completely ignore criticism and keep going like nothing ever happened.

>>4522642
Haha yeah every time he posts i cringe at his art and then laugh at the slew of hate and how much he just does not give a fuck

If he’s that bad and disdained and he doesn’t give a shit, then why the fuck am I so self conscious? And then when you realize he actually improved its like hm... he actually still draws unlike a lot of people (me).

>>4522649
I think it's because when we see others who show strong fortitude (even if they're objectively wrong), we might subconsciously envy them for their ability to not give a fuck.

That's not to assume the envious person can't take criticism, they might just wish they could be as constantly 'chill' (for lack of a better word). The self-consciousness could stem from your own ideas of how you might handle criticism or be kept from improving in some way.
Just my own thoughts.

>>4521565
>Why should these people feel obligated to help the zoomers when they're directly competing with them for marketshare?
well then fuck progress of mankind i guess it's a dog-eat-dog world. Btw it's really nice that we have all those expressions for different generations, they're really doing their job of instilling this thinking in people's heads that's keeping us from working together.

>>4513430
I'm racist, homophobic, say no to trans rights, think holocaust is funny, hate women and minorities, like guro and ryona and not a single follower knows this because I never write anything. And yeah I'm not trying to be edgy or anything.

>>4523400
> I'm racist, homophobic, say no to trans rights, think holocaust is funny, hate women and minorities

ok, right wing

> like guro and ryona

oh so you're just a degenerate frogposter huh...

I made a character/world setting to do small animations for youtube, but now stuck with how to proceed in said characters abilities or lack thereof.

I really wish i was more decisive as everything i come with to me is like "well, these are both good", and i end up asking friends for suggestions and kinda going off of that instead.

>>4523431
>degenerate
Achually, after stopping watching porn I now only prefer vanilla and tomboys and thing that even anal is degenerate enough. Ryona is the only thing that left and I like it not in a sexual way.

>>4523438
ryona is hot, i love beating women

>>4523452
Based

Sometimes I worry I only like drawing because it was the one thing I was naturally good at, and the only thing that would make my bullies stop insulting me and give me a compliment. It was a single avenue for gaining respect I had growing up. Now that I’m an adult the tables have turned, and it’s no long really something that garners me the same respect

I am actually dead shitpostin from the other world. Ama.

>>4524446
It won't get you respect from random people on the street, but it can allow you to build up a group of people who are genuinely thankful for your existence moreso than most other skills. I'm sure you know how obsessed people can get with the people who worked on their favorite anime/games/etc.

My art comes out of me in inspired fits. This is the romantic notion a lot of non-artists have about artists, but the reality of the matter is that when things start not panning out, I lose all my inertia and drive to continue. Moreover, I can't go back to anything unfinished, even if it was going great: the moment has passed.

Absolute beginner here. I want to be good at drawing and communicating through drawing, but I don't really want to learn to draw. I'm more interested in buildings and anatomy study than creating characters, but even so, I kinda just blasted through Perspective Made Easy without doing the exercises, and the other beginner books are hard to tuck into.

I once told somebody their art sucks because they told me that they didn't love me anymore.

They deleted their artwork off the internet.

I feel awful because it wasn't true. I loved her artwork very dearly. I was just so hurt in the moment that I wanted to say something to hurt her back.

But anyways, if you read this Mary: your art doesn't suck. (also I miss you)

>>4525353
This is you being the bully

>>4525362
In four panels that made me sad without text but only lines communicating the story and action. Damn how do I get soul like this?

>>4525362
The fuck was that bitch thinking? It's a dog eat dog world, don't expect people to be nice to you.

>>4525353
Lmao this is so petty

you deserve it for being such a spiteful bitch and if she cant take petty criticism like that either she’s too weak to survive anyway

>>4513430
I have enjoyed drawing since I was a little kid but I quit around late middle school/early high school when I learned from the internet that everyone is better. Since dropping out when I was 18 I have been "aware" that I am shit and need to improve but I haven't done so. I download tons of art books and look at reference but whenever I sit down and try to draw I get depressed. I'm 23 now and it's too late for me. Please don't be like me. Just practice.

>>4525451
Craig Mullins started seriously at 24, you have no fucking excuse.

>>4525397
>t. Anon who has never allowed themselves to get close to anyone.
Just about anything else and you could call it petty. But love is letting someone in to the depths of your psyche.
She obviously made a mistake, and what she does with it from here on out is up to her, but at a glance, I wouldn't fault her for pulling up stakes.

I don't like drawing (normal) people at all. It's not because I can't draw them, but more that I find them boring af. In general I prefer wildlife, inanimate objects etc. BUT I do like humanoid creature/abomination/body horror/alien desings. So that's something?
Also been lazy piece of shit during the quarantine.

>>4513512
Are... we not supposed to use that?

>>4513430
I haven't drawn anything other than a couple of redlines for a year.

I chew on my pencils.

I think I draw alright for someone who only draws one per month since childhood, I think I could be really good if I tried for real. I never practice, I don’t specifically look for improvement, I just draw whatever I feel like. I don’t give a shit and yet I feel sorry for some friends who went to art school for 5 years and draw like utter shit.

>>4520104

based sculptor anon

i am permanently locked out of twitter across numerous accounts

I’m bisexual

I think I might hate this board and might leave

I haven’t drawn anything in over a month and only keep posting old work besides warm ups I do at my office desk.

>>4525575
Same to all you said, anon

its been a year since I lost my passion for drawing and I dont think its coming back

I was getting very well known in my city getting great opotunities.

its all over now.

I literally have thousands of dollars in my pocket, but I cant go outside and buy new art gear due to this virus shit. (At risk, PLUS working with seniors)
I dont have a car right now and none of the buses are running.
I hate everything.

i know the areas i have to improve at, i know where to find the materials to do so, but i just cant be botherd to watch some tutorials to do so, so i just try figuring it out all by myself. Would most likely improve much faster otherwise.

bump

>>4526918
Why did you lose it?
Nothing inspire you anymore?

>>4516291
My best work comes after hours of procrastination and sleep deprivation...

I pretend to be actually retarded on my art account and post silly replies

Going to several years of nude figure drawing have given me much greater confidence in my own penis.

Seeing a few hundred different penises outside of the context of porn greatly helped me calibrate what was normal versus big and small, and has increased my confidence in both the bedroom and art room.

Im having more fun organizing my new Pinterest board of full-frontal, reference-nudes than actually using it.
1700+ images and 12 sections and I've only used it a handful of times since Lockdown.
Hope all my followers are using it more than I am.
lel.

>>4517349
May I ask what resources you used to learn?

>>4535394
1.7k?! holy fuck. Didn't know there was this much free stuff out in the open

>>4535394
You gon' post a link? I'm interested in using it for practice

>>4539246

I get most of collection from Korean and Mexican accounts. They are the real MVPs of Pinterest and will save literally anything, regardless of the TOS. Real bros.

>>4539836
Now you see, thats where we run into trouble. I'd love to share with you guys, but I signed up to Pinterest using my real social media account, so I cant post a link without literally doxxing myself.
I wonder if there's a way to mirror my account with a fake username...
I've only seen one other person do it, but he has over 12,000 pins and Im scared to ask him, since Im certain hes more insane than I am.

>>4540515
Protip if doxxing yourself is a concern, no one cares if it's on a per thread basis, especially one so innocuous; the nudity's already real-name linked if the account is anyways.

That said your filenames are linked to one post that, while not incriminating, is kinda silly. Randomize those filenames in the future when you post and you're fine.

i licked zinc white oil paint today

Feel like I wasted a lot of potential, and let my former and future self down by not continuing to pursue art.

>>4523438
That's pretty dope, I've been hardly watching it as well and I just feel better overall. Makes me wonder what my teen years would be like if I had done the same.

>>4522637
Who is that? When I google it I don't get an art account just fit memes.

>>4520104
Based. Male sculptures and art in general that depicts chiseled, handsome, pretty males in interesting poses/perspectives/styles is infinitely more interesting than 99% of the work most people draw that involves women.
I guess my confession is I get angry and slightly perturbed when I see famous+successful artists whose drawings make up mostly "uguu kawaii/cute/pretty young women". It's overdone and boring.

>>4540584
His real handle isn’t actually “gains goblin” that’s just what we on /ic/ call him because nearly every post he makes is cringe

I've been having way too much fun shitposting, although I said I wanted to help keep things more on topic on this board
>>4540541
thank you for this!
>>4540568
hope it was tasty?
t. newfag

>>4513430
I categorically refuse to help coomer artists who feel no remorse, even if I know the exact answer to their problem, even if I know the sauce, even if I have the tutorial they need, even if I have the link they want in my bookmarks.

Drawing is probably one of the unhealthiest habits i have right now

in order to draw i need to get on a bunch of nootropics and sleep deprivation to get in the zone

>>4540541

Oh fuck, someone actually saved my Cyberpunk post! Im oddly moved. lol

>>4513430
I have fun when I draw

>>4541037
Sounds like you're drawing during your drug problem, and not the other way around desu

>>4541446

REPENT NOW!

I don't know how to 'just draw' and I feel like everyone who tells me this is trying to troll me.

>>4516790
I prefer the "I was pretending to be retarded"

I have brown hair which is literally the color of shit.

>>4525362
hot

>>4525362
Stuff like this reminds me why I started drawing in the first place

>>4542469
blond hair is the color of piss

>>4513430
Whenever a piece starts to feel as if you are laboring, it starts to get interesting and enjoyable again as soon as a feminine benis is provided to her.

>>4542514
Cope

>>4541863
Nah, i only do the noots and coke up on caffeine when i am trying to draw. I was able to draw without any drugs when i was younger, until i got so crippled by depression and self esteem issues. I dont need sleep dep and the drugs for anything else in life, only when it comes to art. Anything it takes to kill the ego so i can draw in peace.

>>4542566
piss

>>4542469
>>4542514
>>4542566
>>4543729
Redhead color of fire masterrace seethe kneel cope concede

>>4543735
Redhead the color of menstrual blood

>>4543737
>blood and fire
I accept your concession.

any time someone posts a redline i say that it's garbage in order to cause doubt in the mind of the person getting the redline so they mistrust it and don't get any improvement

>>4542390
"just draw" means to stop overthinkking and looking for 10000 different guides and just pick one and stick to it
i.e. just doing fun with a pencil instead of constantly making threads on here second guessing it, which is what 90% of people fail to do

>>4525480
I started drawing seriously at 24 and I've gotten a lot better since I first started, but I always second guess myself and stop drawing because I think it might turn out bad. So, I end up browsing 4chan instead. I want to learn animation and be a cartoonist, but I haven't paid for any animation software, and I've just been drawing a webcomic so I would have a project to help learn. I draw immensley slow on each page though and I keep thinking that I will never be able to animate. How do I just learn animation and keep doing it?

>>4514440
I want to believe this is true so badly.
Please post something so I know you aren't full of shit

>>4545670
what

>>4545668
Rude.

i didnt read loomis because i only want to draw cute anime girls

I fucking hate art discords sometimes. Most of the time when I ask for critique, the reply is so vague or mismatched that I never know what to focus on.

>Draw in 3d
>Do gesture drawings
>Don't draw manniquens

What the fuck am I supposed to focus on if there is so much to focus on? I'm not some genius artist, I just started.

Holy fuck, this is becoming a pain in the ass. I might as well give up learning how to draw well and just draw for fun like I originally planned.

At least drawing what I wanted made me smile. Now drawing figures/spheres/squares/ and all this other shit is making me want to give up entirely.

Fuck art discords!

>>4548667
It's not just art discords. Critiquing beginners, those who just started, is so hard because beginners do everything wrong, and it's difficult to figure out what they need to work on most. For a total beginner, just keep grinding and almost anything you do will help you improve, as long as you keep it difficult and challenging for yourself.

>>4548805

This, to be honest. Just do your best. You'll be glad you didnt quit

>>4513430
I feel bad for good artists who have less followers than me and stay like this for 2+ years. I don't even draw porn

@Zanmillerart on Instagram likes underaged girls

>>4548667
Start with perspective and after you're done with that, shading. Why?
https://youtu.be/B5tU2PuRdU8?t=442

Book/course order:
1) Perspective Made Easy by Ernest Norling (or Marshall's perspective course, check the video thread)
2) How to Draw by Scott Robertson
3) How to Render by Scott Robertson
4) Vilppu's NMA course (essentially gesture drawing + intro to construction, check the vid thread)
5) Figure Drawing: Design and Invention by Michael Hampton + his course (check the vid thread)
6) ...

>>4514440
But how do we know you’re not crabbing the crabs...by crabbing?

The artist tripled their prices and I'm proud of the artist for being able to get more for their work but now they're out of my price range.

Now I gotta learn how to 3D model as well.

I wish I could draw.

I've been creating so many shitposts, I'm on a roll, all of the threads with >20 replies are dying like flies, heh

I should have drawn on my days off but I got too high and couldn't move.

It happened again...

still can't get over the fear of messing up an art piece. When does this end?

>>4559327
if you have a lamborghini you will drive it slowly and carefully and cry if you dent it. If you have two lamborghinis you will drive one more carefully than the other and cry if you dent both. if you own three lamborghinis you will drive them all fast and get a little upset if you dent one. if you own ten lamborghinis you wont be upset if you crash one. if you own one hundred lamborghinis you wont blink if you crash ten of them. if you own a thousand lamborghinis you can crash one hundred and you wont care.

once you make enough drawings, you won't care.

spent four years learning how to draw, completely gave up, now i work a retard job online (1000 a month, not enough to live on) and live with my grandparents. i just read this board while I'm shitting and stop reading whenever I see art that makes me envious. could've easily transformed my skills over those four years to a junior worker's level if I wasn't a lazy brainlet. if you're lazy you might end up like me, let this be a warning. don't settle for mediocrity.

>>4513430
I started drawing in 2013 and through 2014 but then started playing card games, gacha, and overwatch obsessively. In reality I didn't actually draw until last year. At this point I don't care about making it or being a master. I just want to be good enough to occupy myself with drawing comics.

Ok i shouldn't draw at this point. My mental disorder keep bugging with me trying to fix this stuff this first priority. It keeps destroying and bugging with me
Brain is already exhausted and bodies are weakend right brain is completly destroyed so i'm into recovery

My obession about art is really really huge because i loved it for some reason but i had PTSD about exam destroyed me in 2013 got OCD at that time

Recently i started study seriously what the fuck was wrong
I'm really sorry for acting like fucking autist. Because i can't handle rage about past. Yeah what done is done but still Hardest shit is making original stuff but someday i can do it i will promise

>>4558607
whats that ? some apple product?

I like to buy supplies more than I like using them.

>>4559413
I’ll be joining you soon anon. Someone oughta start a support group for failed artists.

>>4559852

I do this with cheap supplies on Amazon. The allure of trying the latest new thing is starting to fuck with my productivity and my wallet.
J-just one more parcel of colored pencils couldnt hurt, r-right?
Theyre on sale....

>>4559589
Hang in there buddy.
>>4559862
It's called /ic/

>>4561776
I like to buy the premium artist grade stuff which is expensive as fuck but it feels good to use.
I remember the first time I bought high quality watercolor paper and it was such a pleasure to use, that kinda set things off.

>>4562656
>high quality watercolor paper
Fuuuuck man, you must have treasury worthy of Midas.
Everytime I look at some of the painting-related stuff, I have to firmly tell myself "no". Even the little things in that bracket would tear a black hole in my bank account. Its like a whole 'nother universe from the dry media.

>>4563401
Oh man don't get me started, I thought watercolor was expensive but now I'm giving oils a try and it's I can see my money evaporate.
Lately I've been setting aside some money each month for art supplies just so I don't blow it all.
That works, I've been able so save up a little since I have little expenses and I canceled my gym membership due to c*rona.

But still, I can't resist the cadmiums, cobalts, and other expensive pigment paints that just look so intense and luscious and are such a joy to paint with.

I sometimes can't make myself draw. I work full time (upwards of 12 hour shifts) and I get so tired that I have to leave my dream to rot. It's horrible, bros.

>>4513430
As a kid I had raging erections when I looked at dolphins

>>4563805
Jotaro?

>>4514074
draw out of sheer frustration, some interesting stuff comes out of that. Is not going to make you more disciplined, but it's a start.

>>4518802
>

>>4545668
I remember people tried to redline this and I figured out what the problem with it was just for some faggots to tell me I was wrong. It's a good pic for baiting crabs though.

>>4548667
First off, have a goal (career-wise, working in any field), it doesn't matter that it isn't too specific, but at least it will keep you focused and force you to train the skills needed for it when you are lost.
Most basic shit you need to know
>Perspective
>Gesture/Form
>Values/Planes
>Light and Shadow/Color Theory
Whatever you want to learn, it will pick up from this at some point, so it's always handy to learn from any of that list. Anything else could be in what kind of medium you'll be working, so look for guides on how to use those tools, there's always someone that has figured a way to make them easy for themselves to use, so learn the basics, and when you feel confident you can go and explore on your own.
I didn't mention anatomy because it depends on what you'll be working in, if you find it relevant to your field of interest you'll know, maybe you want to draw cars or environments, so yeah, spend the time in what is necessary to learn aside from the pre-baked answers from others, that includes me

>>4563780
Cobalts are fucking gorgeous, I can totally understand where youre coming from. I used to love oils too, but the memory of the turps smell keeps me away them. kek
I gotta try that monthly art savings thing youre talking about. That might be just what I need to curb my spending.
Stay strong and money'd up, anon!

I regurlarly beat it to my drawings, but I only do it while theyre still sketches and then lose my desire to finish them.

>>4516346
based entropy-chad

>>4513430
I draw for a couple of years and kinda have some skills but sometimes i post some sketches on /beg/ and say i only draw for a couple of days
Getting so many cry posts answering to me

>>4518802
You've got it right anon.
>>4520530
I don't think so anon. See there's problems with that. One, the naive or easily influenced may take that shitty attitude to heart. It allows a shit example to sit on the proverbial kitchen table. But you can't fight the disingenuous, short of killing/ expelling them from the community. And you can't fight them symmetrically because they want that disunity to play with, to create exploitable situations. To create more of their kind.
So here is what you do. You greet that fake smile with a real one. (Try it and see just how beside themselves they get when they fail).
Treat shitposters as genuine. That's right, this doesn't mean you allow them to steal from you or subvert the truth. Call their bullshit, and try to do so in a way that seeks objective truth, in a way that's absolutely constructive to all. Including the person who is trying to destroy.
Why do it this way? A laundry list, but first on the list is the fact that if you genuinely care, then that naturally extends to everyone's happiness. Especially the wretched, they probably need the most.

>>4518913
S...
Well, late, but in case you're talking about me, it's fine. I really wish I could have left things better off in many ways, but I don't see a way to do that.

And if you're not talking about me, pay it forward, eh?

>>4563794
You deserve some rest after 12 hours of work bro, don't beat yourself up for not managing to keep up with your hobbies.

>>4564016
The guy should really study gesture and construction. If I was the girl I won't date a guy like that.

>>4513430
I have been intending to learn out to draw alongside scriptwriting so that I can learn how to do 2d animation myself but most of the time I can't find the concentration to sit down and do the damn learning.

Last night I had this dream, right.

So I walk to a library to print out some of the reference material on my phone (I can't even escape being broke in my dreams.) When I get to the front counter the librarian lady tells me to hand over my phone so she can print what I need, but everything I want printed gets displayed on a large monitor that's open for everyone to see. So she starts scanning them and a few of the more risque pictures pop up, but I jokingly dismissed it with "It's okay I'm an artist" but as she continues the pictures become ever more lewd in content until she finally comes across a porn clip that is now playing for everyone to see as I desperately try to explain that it's for art.

>>4566704
>Desperately
No desperation is needed. We are artists. We are above the base concerns of the peons and plebeians.

>>4513430
I hate my art so fucking much, I think nearly every stylistic choice I make is terrible so I constantly swap them out drawing to drawing while at the same time constantly relying on the same shapes and symbols.
I get wrapped up in drawing the exact same characters and poses over and over so I never improve and get locked into drawing them
I'm fully aware that my art has practically no style and is utterly generic, offering nothing of any real value so I legitimately feel bad for doing someone's drawthread request and stopping them from getting something worthwhile. However any attempts I make to rectify this and try to do something different for the sake of being different looks stupid to me and I stop bothering
I hate how soulless my art is, and whenever I post people either tell me they like it and I feel like they're just being nice or they don't say anything at all, but I want the harsh reactions to tell me what the fuck to improve, even though I know that the core problem of my art is that it's just terminally fucking boring and just as soulless as I am.

>>4567735
Don't play the butter notes.

>>4513430
I didn't finish a single full sketchbook last year, it was my lowest-output year for drawing in a very long time. I'm playing catchup now but I've still got the rest of this book to finish before I go on to another.

Seeing artists better than me with 99 and up in their nicknames makes me sad and angry

I got an art degree but I never draw. I've plateaued for the longest time but I've never improved nor do I have the drive to improve on anything. I only went for art because I failed MATH 124 and barely made it thru MATH 120 and all the relevant degrees required at least Pre-Calc or MATH 180. Really only got it because I was never cut out for school to begin with and the family demanded I get a Bachelor's since they ended up in the military because of no degree. Struggled enough in HS alone.

I haven't touched my art tablet in a year and I still can't draw decently at all. I'm only functioning because I'm able to at least hold a job as a "Web Admin" but all I really do is make the same cookie-cutter assets and update the site for less than retail. Please just point and laugh at me. I'm such a cuck. I'm just a joke and a fool.

>>4568678
Having any job at all you probably do better than a good part of people here

>>4513430
Only interested to draw cause of furry shit

I still read Japanese comics as an adult, but after years of consuming and watching other people scramble to draw with that aesthetic, I just dont care to draw in that way anymore.
All I care about is draftsmanship now. The rest is window dressing.

I've aslo spent the past month vigorously researching, prototyping and designing something for a contest. The kicker is that I hate the results so much, Im considering not finishing it.

>>4568751
This desu