/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4514146
Yeah, AI progress makes me sad.
At least they can't create cartoons and video games yet.

Artist hacks stuck drawing floating heads btfo

>its another AI art panic thread
By the time AI actually gets where it needs to be to replace actual artists society will already be collapsing from displaced and angry workers rioting and revolting or working won't be much of a thing anymore.

That's actually pretty fucking neat.

I bet 90% of the ai art threads are made by ngmi's who are looking for excuses for their art failures and are crabbing other artists and getting off to the schadenfreude of artists worrying about being replaced.
Eventually, AI will replace artists, but it's not something that will happen in our lifetime. Ask any deep learning researcher, and they will agree we are far away from 100% human free art generation.
t. computer vision PhD candidate

Most artists are very inefficient remix algorithms anyway
>template female face with new accessory
>exact same pornographic scenario, but the generic stock female body is now dressed in FOTM character garb
>space marine, but slightly different
>fantasy warrior, but slightly different
>check out my cute cartoony webcomic, bro
>DUDE, CYBERPUNK, LMAO

We should go back to classical art depicting biblical scenes. An AI can't replicate a painting's ability to inspire grief, awe, tragedy, joy, horror, etc.

>>4514187
The fact that AI can already convincingly replicate 90% of what's on artstation and instagram is not a commendation of our technological development, it's a condemnation of our stagnant culture.
Too many people speaking, who have nothing to say.

it's over
t. monks ca. 1450

Only ngmi will feel panic

>>4514146
Anyone has the ones where it where pieces of meat and looked like asses but it weren't and you wanted to fuck em?

it's over
t. illustrators/graphic designers ca. 1985

someone do this with craig mullins painting and a photo pls

>>4514146
does anyone on /ic/ actually enjoy doing art or do you all just want to become a concept artist because you hope itll be less soulless than a regular desk job (despite you not liking art to begin with)

this should panic only the latter category (and your goal was admittedly pretty dumb to begin with in that case)

It's over.
t. all artists in 1839, with the invention of daguerrotype

>>4514197
>>4514203
It's all true though.

If you study graphics design seriously, you will notice how literally everything we produce is ugly as sin, and will want to go back to the times before type casting was invented, and typography and page layout became mechanized.

Technology doesn't obsolete art, it just makes it shittier every time there's an advancement, as soulful artists can't compete with hacks working within the limitations of the new paradigm.
When was the last time you bought an oil painting, for example? But I bet you have donated to some faggot on patreon, or commissioned some cringy fan art.

>>4514198
While Gmis will revolt against moder

>>4514232
>>4514239
Imagine if creators could manifest their thoughts at the press of a button, what would we be left with? Whatever delivers the most dopamine to the biggest market? Sex, violence, memeable stuff, whatever the advertising industry has made hot?

>>4514197
They were right. The world went to shit after 1490

>>4514264
no it was way earlier than that, everything went to shit after agriculture was invented

>>4514194
It can't, every neural network based image generator is based off of real examples, it can only produce images between the examples

>>4514146
Made my dream gf

>>4514257
It would be a cultural ecological disaster.
Most peoples' thoughts and ideas are hot garbage that doesn't deserve to manifest in public consciousness. Skill is not a direct requirement for artistic expression, but it has served an important role as a filter to weed out the abject retards. Now we won't have even that. Art will go through what journalism and blogging and social media did to the written word.

>>4514276
Yeah, well, too bad 90% of what's on artstation and instagram is already an "in between" of two other generic ideas.

>>4514214
>>4514232
>imagine thinking graphic design has anything to do with creativity and art

I'm a better artist than 99% of /ic/ now

>>4514278
My god, didn't that already happen when post modernists took over the mainstream art world? Skill is no longer required to be a modern artist. Are we living in a cultural dystopia without realizing it?

>>4514221
this

>>4514278
Why is it bad that an AI can replicate generic art?

>>4514297
rip anime

>>4514283
Propaganda posters from the cold war had more impact, emotion, and ideological intent than anything you see on social media today.

>>4514289
I had this obvious but profound realization recently that I spend 90% of my time on the internet reading some garbage written by some random retard with hot opinions but no life experience, skill or intellect.
I probably read a book's worth of text a week just by shitposting on the internet, yet if I had read those words from a book instead, I would've been a better person today.
I need to get the fuck out of the internet, I need to disconnect. I think I might just download a few terabytes of books, and archive of art gallery scans and photographs, and then cut all the cords.

>>4514305
>impact, emotion...

Nice buzzwords that literally mean nothing

>>4514257
For the written medium, we see self-published trash and successful fanfic shit (e.g. 50 Shades of Grey). For journalism, fashion, "lifestyle" we see instagram influencers. We also got a whole new category of people filming themselves playing games, or streaming mundane, everyday life stuff.
>>4514278
Is there any way to re-introduce some form of quality filter? Education is the only thing that comes to mind, but reading or knowing anything about history of anything isn't so hot these days
>>4514305
Sounds actually good.

>>4514308
>literally mean nothing
Just like your art, I guess.
Draw any space marines and anime girls lately?

tried it and it is boring asf... still sticking to drawing/painting - the process is much more fun - and AI can only imitate but not create.

>>4514317
>can only imitate but not create.
Just like everyone on /ic/.

>>4514312
Why do you hate space Marines so much? Jesus Christ.

>>4514312
Actually no, I draw pictures with power, soul, impact, moxie and a dozen other buzzwords that make it sound like I know what I am talking about

>>4514323
Cool, can I see them?

>>4514221
I do love art and I wanted to be a concept artist for game studios
Consider that now a studio could just use AI generated images to create the concepts instead of paying a person 40k a year.
Many people are going to lose the ability to work in art, every bit of automation and generation comes at the cost of art being a viable career

>>4514270

>>4514329
I was kidding, I only do studies of Renaissance artists, even though by definition I will never be able to attain even 0.000001% of their holiness and skill and power of expression and holy knowledge of holy anatomy, holy

>>4514345
>I do love art
>wanted to be a concept artist for game studios
Those two sentences seem to contradict each other. Why do you want to draw space marines so much?

>>4514351
Cool, can I see them?

>>4514356
>Those two sentences seem to contradict each other. Why do you want to draw space marines so much?
I like drawing and painting, I could not fathom doing anything else every single day.
I could not imagine what my life would be like if I were not able to do art for a living, I would kill myself. The thought of having to go into an office and do something else then come home and draw for a few short hours is nearly panic inducing.
The idea of having my passion automated away makes me want cry

>>4514221
Most of the retards here only want art as a job because they don’t want to get a “real job”. Not because they love it.

>>4514146
Wonder if we’ll ever be able to apply neural networks to facilitate human learning. Like the Matrix, you just upload a shitton of skills onto your brain. Imagine, with the press of a button, and within minutes you can paint like Michaelangelo, and write like Shakespeare.

>>4514356
Sure, wear nothing but tights, a venetian codpiece and an artists' hat, knock three times at my front door and say the password "Hon hon hon!" while stroaking your goatee, then we can discuss anatomy and make sweet, expressive renaissance-suprematist art!

>>4514375
The sad reality of this board. This is why 90% of threads on the catalogue are retards shitposting, and actual art threads get drowned out and 404ed within a week unless they’re a general.

>>4514345
you seem earnest enough, so ill give you a hint as to why this doomsday scenario isnt nearly as bad as it seems

https://www.artnome.com/news/2018/10/13/the-ai-art-at-christies-is-not-what-you-think

Please read this and realize how far a GAN is from anything truly autonomous in terms of AI

a HUMAN programmed the network
a HUMAN trained the network
a HUMAN gave it the dataset to work with
a HUMAN curated the output

If Photobashing, 3D, and other developments didn't kill the concept art industry, then I highly doubt the current generation of AI will do more than erode it

You really have to look at these pictures and ask yourself: would a normie like this?
It is not the technological advancements that make art obsolete, but the society that flock like flies to this pile of shit.
Those pictures are nothing special, because they give you the same thing in green.

>>4514370
So you like the mechanical act of putting marks on a canvas, rather than expressing stuff through art?

Oh well. I like throwing a ball against a wall and catching it, and would do it all day if i had the chance. Doesn't mean I deserve a job doing it.

>>4514381
hell no faggot, go to grindr if you want someone to indulge in your homoerotic fantasies.

>>4514381
>>4514413
So this is how you signal on /ic/ if you want hook up *eyebrow waggles*

>>4514396
Why would concept art and expression be mutually exclusive??
Don't be absurd dude

>>4514151
It will never be possible however they will make the creation faster by being able to add frames.

>>4514146
more like artstation breeder

>>4514454
That's a promo piece illustration. A key shot. They are given to top tier veteran artists only. Possibly even to illustrators and not concept artists.
As a concept artist, you'll be doing pic related all day.

And even hand painted "mood pieces" are a thing of the past now. Internal use concept art is usually a quickly thrown together collages of photographs to set the general feel of a scene.

See this presentation by an industry insider about what concept art is like in modern production:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYbYvImd7Bw

>>4514478
Isn't it true with EVERY trade and field that you have to do things you don't like until you get good enough and experienced enough to do what you want?

>>4514478
Doing visdev for animated features seems to be a much more fulfilling position.

>>4514499
Well, if you make it far in games, the next step on the food chain is being an art director, so you won't actually draw, just tell others what to draw.

The age of "concept art superstars" who earned six figures painting stuff for blizzard is long gone. Those guys have made their money, retired, opened their schools and online courses, and an army of new generation of starry eyed concept artists have replaced them to do photobash for cheap.

>>4514146
so cool
can't wait for the day human made art becomes obsolete and the ngmi meme dies
art should be a personal pursuit of enligthment and knowledge, not some cheap standarized supply made to feed the consumerist machinery

>>4514146
Anyone who thinks art is over because of that doesn't realize what art is.

>>4514500
If you want people to never see your original work, and have it stripped down of depth, and streamlined for production purposes, sure.
Same problem with concept art to a large extent. See Fallout 3 concept art vs what the game ended up actually looking like.

>>4514515
>art director
I would be cool with that, having a complete vision being fleshed out would be an amazing feeling I'd imagine

WE ARE ALL DOOMED

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>4514197
>>4514203
>>4514226
it's over.
t. egyptians when greeks started casting bronze sculptures

>>4514146
This will be very useful for studies...thank you anon.

It's Over
t. Jewish modern artists upon the NSDAP taking power in Germany, 1933

>AI takes over every area of human life
>"stop being an alarmist cuck, people have always perservered in the face of adversity until now :)"

>>4514146
shits kino af

>>4514146
this is the first thing I’ve seen on /ic/ that made me want to quit. What’s the point of spending hours hunched over a sketchbook to draw coomershit if programs are right around the corner that can get the same results in seconds?

I don’t even want to draw portraits, but it’s only a matter of time before AI can create just about anything. Input pose, input basic colors, feed it a few existing images for style input, and boom. Instant coom art. In seconds. A person with no art experience can do this in seconds.

Meanwhile, I’ve countless hours everyday, countless years out of my life, and for what? Imagine all the things I could have done with that time instead that would’ve made me more useful in the present. AI will make me worthless as a human being. Where do I go from there?

lmao @ pure artist.

make comics, make animations, make vidya, do something with your art.
Still images with no overall meaning are going to be bred out of existence pretty soon.

the day I see that AI can pull together an artistically stunning and beautiful piece inspired by intelligent creativity straight from its artificial, sentient mind is the day I blow my brains out.
today is not the day

>>4514701
And it’s only a matter of time before AI figures out that shit too.

>>4514713
you can't say that for a fact. While ai can generate variations of inputs it can't generate anything outside of those inputs and it only does so if all those inputs are very similar. We are far far away from ai that can design something.

>>4514724
I think it makes more sense to say that there are still some major structural barriers in the way. The moment AI research makes a significant leap forward all bets on what if any new hard limitations there may be are off.

>>4514713
By the time a computer can 100% generate a video game that is worth to buy we will all be dead.

The last couple of % that will be dominated by machines and AI will be the one people laughs at the most: the ideas man. Piecing together art direction, gameplay, music, and plot, that's art in and of itself. A video game is more than the sum of its components.

All you can expect as a vidya dev in the near future is your job getting easier and easier, like factory workers back in the days. Maybe there will be a pixel art generator or a 3D model generator that can translate 2D pictures, there is already work on the AI generated music, AI plots are still pretty fucking green so that one is anyone's guess when it will start getting good, and there is more and more work on making higher level coding languages that are easier to assemble and understand.
But in the end it will all be the downfall of big companies when some random ideas guy can go online, pay for some AI servers, and with the help of AI make his vision come true.

The replacement of ideas guy, the center of all creativity, will not happen in our lifetime, be assured.

>>4514708

Same. Idk why humans are so eager to give it all away

>>4514742
they want to return into the womb, to a pre-conscious state. AI will be the mother goddess of a new humanity, protector of the eternal status quo and devourer of the future.

>>4514736
Sure but that is a matter of if not when

>>4514708
not me because that would simply elevate me to a higher standard

>>4514791
Brains are ultimately just complicated machines. Why do you think we would run into some mystical unsolvable problem trying to replicate how they function?

>>4514681
>Imagine all the things I could have done with that time instead that would’ve made me more useful in the present
>useful
That utilitarian mindset is exactly what got us into this mess anon. It’s slavish to attempt to be “useful”. As an artist you should know this - what makes art so charming, in our hyper functionalist world, is precisely the fact that it’s absolutely useless. Meaningful, yes, but useless

>>4514801
>implying the brain is not just a transmitter with a dimensional portal to Heaven where the Soul resides, with no capability for though of its own
t. Descartes

>>4514801
because we simply do not have the technology

>>4514805
oh shut the fuck up you retarded communist hippie, I have fucking rent to pay, I need to pay for food and water and bills, how the fuck is "meaningfulness" going to keep me out of the streets?

>>4514701

>>4514806
imagine replicating the brain in its entirety and when they turn the switch on its just an empty husk that they have to prod and help to get it to do anything, like someone that has been lobotomized.

>>4514805
this is entirely false. Art has and can change the world by influencing people, it very much has a utility.

>>4514815
imagine if a replicated human externally acts, speaks, and behaves like a human, but has no consciousness, and doesn't actually experience anything, including emotions, and just runs and algorithm that imitates with 100% accuracy how humans are expected to behave.
How would you know?

>>4514806
I mean as retarded as it sounds, on a metaphysical level I actually do agree with that. there's more to the machine than its materiality, a transcendent quality that points beyond to a place that can only be called a heavenly plane - that's where its essence lies. But while you can't make a soul, you *can* bring about the conditions under which a soul comes into existence, nurture it, grow it in a controlled environment and put it to use for some alien purpose. AI would be an artificial slave, basically.

>>4514169
Based and tedpilled

>>4514808
what technology do we not have?

>>4514810
I’m a monarchist. It sounds like you got into art for all the wrong reasons, if you wanted a financially stable career that’s useful, then art is literally the opposite of that

>>4514818
Propaganda does the same thing. I’m not say art can’t influence people in a positive way, but from what I’ve observed the most influential artworks in that regard were made by people who didn’t have ulterior motives. When you try to hitch art up to some commercial endeavor for instance, it loses something of itself

>>4514826
you just said it, I wouldn't. What kind of question is that?

>>4514848
We don't have the technology or method or anything to replicate an AI to design something. It is something we can't articulate objectively ourselves

>>4514861
you ask them if they like anime
if they don't you put them in the gas chamber because clearly they have no SOUL

>>4514856
I love how every time I mention art to have purpose that can influence people, the first thing people think of is propaganda. No, artists have always had something to say and said it with their art outside of propaganda. Art shows us how we are all human, propaganda does not.

>>4514866
what if they said you don't like anime and THEY believed it and threw you in the gas chamber?

>>4514863
You're thinking in terms of programs written by humans. That's not what AI research is. Right now we're successfully teaching AI to see, to reason and to exhibit goal-oriented behavior. Once that project reaches a certain point, a sufficiently intelligent embodied artificial slave will be able to figure out how to perform any specific task on its own, the same way a human slave would. We don't have to understand what it's doing or how it's doing it to make use of it.

>>4514873
Yeah, but there's no economic or functional utility to showing how we're all human.

are you saying a toothbrush and a painting can be compared by level of utility? Are you saying that there's a point at which you might start pondering how much relative utility a painting's "meaning" gives you, versus how much utility you would extract by burning it for heat?
If we destroyed all of the art in the world, but in exchange got some X amount of utility, say nobody ever gets back pain again, is it a good trade?

Implying that art has utility is a gateway to absurdity.

>>4514736
But automating abstracted human behavior can only take you so far. The biggest limitation of „AI“ isn’t algorithms or a theoretical breakthrough, but the underlying hardware. The brain is highly parallel and constantly adapting and changing, something you can’t replicate with the current hardware

>>4514894
>Implying that art has utility is a gateway to absurdity.

Lol I never implied that, I directly said it. Art has utility in ways physical tools do not and there is no reason to even compare them. Art has always been able to convey a message that helps people mentally, physically or spiritually in ways physical tools can not.

mommy i'm scared

>>4514939
>physically
>Imma COOOOOOOM AAAAAHHHHhHh

>>4514939
Yeah, well, I hate that.
Same kinda bollocks as religion as therapy, philosophy as self help, science as social good, etc. Turning sublime human endeavors into tripe for normies and depriving it of all transcendence.
I want to create art that makes people feel like shit. Looking at it should be as uncomfortable as getting kicked in the nuts. Something you remember for the rest of your life. Something that changes you as a person forever. Not necessarily for the better. Now that's meaning.

>>4514762
You're being facetious, but the way you put it is beautiful.
>>4514805
>what makes art so charming, in our hyper functionalist world, is precisely the fact that it’s absolutely useless.
Also fucking beautiful.
>>4514826
About time someone mentions the Chinese Room. Book recommendation for anon, you might like the novels by V. Pelevin (Snuff specifically mentions it, but I like Empire V more.)

>>4514939
Merchant mentality

>>4514958
Based

>>4514943
Don't be, we have the best Twitter drama makers by our sides: LGBTQ+ community.

If there is a group of people that can fight against AI taking over their jobs are those guys.

>>4514989
fuck, I really don't want to fail a mandatory AI alignment check and get sent to the gulags

There are bots that play multiplayer videogames at an extremely high level, most of the time beyond what a human can achieve.

Do you see people running events for who has the best bots for these games? no, most of these stuff is meaningless for humanity, and we would rather keep meaningless stuff that have nothing to do with our advance as a society to other humans, and instead focus on making AI for shit that actually matters.

You should be more worried about AI governmnet deeming your dreams as "useless" and making you suffer until you give in to a real profession or kill yourself, unless of course, the people making the future AI governments understand deeply what makes each indivdual happy and understand how this useless stuff can actually bring up the morality of the people. But that can just lead to removing the part of our brains that makes us want to entertain ourselves.

I want an AI that matches perfect couples.

>>4514958
>>4514958
>I want to create art that makes people feel like shit. Looking at it should be as uncomfortable as getting kicked in the nuts. Something you remember for the rest of your life. Something that changes you as a person forever. Not necessarily for the better. Now that's meaning.

that is the opposite of transcendence though, you contradicted yourself. And there is no meaning in making people feel worse for no reason. It isn't so much about making them feel good or punching them in the gut, its about making them feel something so that they learn something of value through catharsis. Sometimes what they learn can be extremely helpful for them, but that doesn't always necessarily equate to a good feeling. Learning the truth is painful sometimes.

>>4515024
This. I hope it can find someone as autismo as me who isn't too much of a normalfag, it gives me a bit of hope.

Why panicking? If something you can upload a picture and then mix it with a style you like to get an insight on how to paint in that style. If all you were doing was to mix pictures you were already doing some automated work anyway.

>>4514958
>>4515032

Yea when you described that it reminded me of more recent pixar/disney movies where they use manipulative tactics just to make people cry, but to what end? If you are looking to hurt people with your art and hurt them for a long time and not for the better, its just so self serving and no different than pixar for wanting to make people cry for money. Would you say pixar is deep for doing this?

>>4514478
>With 3d models I don't even know why concept artists would study perspective.
/ic/ blown the fuck out.

>>4514805
Yeah, I like the way you put it. That >>4514810 retard wasn’t me btw, I just do art for a fun hobby not a career. I guess I’m just frustrated at the idea of my years of effort to develop my skills and techniques all going to waste when a new tool comes out that let’s me click a button and get the same result. Even then, useful or not, it’s just the idea that those years of my life developing those skills are gone no matter what.

I guess I’m just afraid of getting cucked by a robot. I don’t know. I think in the future if you make a good painting, people might not believe it’s you, they might think a computer did it with you just feeding the inputs. And that thought, as someone who like I said works so hard, annoys me. For people to think it’s easy annoys me.

But reading what you said, and reading through this thread, I don’t want to quit. You said art isn’t about being useful, it’s about being meaningful. I don’t know if an AI can make meaningful art and tell stories. Maybe not for a long time. So I’ll continue doing my best to make meaningful art.

>>4515082
I would not worry though, I think when an artist that has mastered, to at least some extent, a skill it only helps them more when using new technology because they have that perspective of how it used to be done. You have an advantage over people coming in with no knowledge and using the new tool from the start.

Do you motherfuckers even know what art is? Art is a unique expression of the self, an idiosyncratic encapsulation of your experiences, perception, and even parts of yourself you don't know (subconscious).

Art and sex are the only two ways you can break out of that epidermis you're encased in and connect with other human beings on a deeply intimate level.

That's what's so frustrating about this board, most here boil down art to a fucking equation to quantify technique and then 'make it.' Technique and fundies are only scratching the surface, motherfuckers.

Google Philippe Caza, Robert Crumb, Sergio Toppi, George Herriman, Will Eisner ... forget if you actually like their work, just ask yourself if you can imagine AI creating it.

If you're training just to make pretty Artstation concept art, well guess what, you'll probably be replaced. But you were a robot anyway.

>>4514981
>You're being facetious
Only in the sense that I don't want to be unbirthed myself. I'm pretty much using the psychological/religious frame sincerely, as silly as that might seem.

>>4515101
Shut the fuck up

>>4514146
>yfw art becomes a 'braindead' process

>>4515101
sure, art is more than craftsmanship, but try having some compassion for people who work normal jobs. you're basically telling people who spent years of their lives dedicated to learning a craft to fuck themselves.

>>4515114
it still blows my mind how he is able to draw as well as he does and run a country at the same time, I wish I had his memory

I think it's funny that this has anyone scared, do you honestly think we as a species are anywhere near intelligent enough to create a machine that matches, let alone surpasses the brain? Did you just ignore the mass stupidity that led to a fucking pandemic or have you actually been living under a rock?

>>4515132
what did he mean by this?

>>4515132
I think that the average human who has no discernible taste would think this machine made shit is good and wouldn't be able to identify quality to save their lives. So it doesn't really matter if the machine is objectively worse. Humans as you say are retards who spend their money on useless shit and spend hundreds of hours watching garbage every week

>>4515138
See? people can't even read anymore

>>4515132
>do you honestly think we as a species are anywhere near intelligent enough to create a rocket that flies all the way to the moon, let alone lands on the moon? Did you just ignore the mass stupidity that led to a fucking cold war or have you actually been living under a rock?

>>4515139
I think they can its just that its all subliminal for them because they don't understand the fundamentals. But if have some ai spit out random "masterpieces" long enough, they will quickly see the patterns and be unimpressed by it

>>4515147
>Landing on the moon
>Literally just interpolating a few images
These are not comparable

>>4515158
so, is humanity smart enough to make a strong AI or not?

>>4514276
You just described about 97 percent of all concept art anyway!

>>4515124
Oh I do. But it doesn't matter, AI can't do what they can do either. It takes human ability to even enhance the craft.

the thing I'm really dreading is the point where AI can seamlessly insert itself into conversation on message boards and in comment sections to influence discussions, manipulate search results to control the flow of information - and actually process the results to adjust its behavior in real time, and on a broad scale.
Zuccs experiments for controlling FB-users moods by changing what shows up in their feed is probably only a tiny first glimpse at what we're in for in that regard.

>>4514810
Then why not just become a wagecuck, go and work at amazon or starbucks if you think like that.
You can earn a living without needing to make artwork.

>>4515204
weak bait

>>4514861
I think there would always be something that would give the empty brain away in some form. A behaviour that isnt quite 'normal' or something?

imagine

uploading to the internet just to contribute to this monstrosity

>>4515124
welcome to the modern world!

>>4515207
I think that stops being true when the brain in question has several magnitudes of processing power over you. then it can just envelop your consciousness without ever giving you a chance to catch a glimpse of its true nature.

>>4515212
what are you trying to say? I get that "that's the way things are", but there's no reason to be an asshole about it.

>>4515101
"I am the average Joe/Jean and depending on the age group i belong, i use social media for consuming entertainment.
That image is not clear to me, it doesn't contain anything i know, so i will not bother with it if there are millions other images who are easier to read, understand and reference something i know.
Also remember, Artist: You are nothing unless we; the great majority, decide to take interest in your drawings."

Expression is dead, Anon.

>>4515199
It's pretty frustrating how people let themselves be manipulated. At this point everyone knows the shady shit that goes on at these globalist social media sites and yet people waste their limited time on them anyway. This world is hell and everyone's just okay with it as long as they get their 15 minutes of virtue signalling a day

>>4515264
But that's what you get if everyone becomes an insufferable cunt and people would rather get their dopamine on the internet than with other people.

>>4515272
that's backwards. people become insufferable cunts because those websites are designed to reward insufferable cunt behavior

>>4515274
Yes and no. It's a cycle.
People go on the internet because irl people are all insufferable cunts, cuntish behavior gets rewarded, cunt behavior happen irl... and so on and on

>>4514146
I'm glad the digital shitters wil be finally over with once this hits the mainstream. This will never be able to beat traditional art.

>>4515287
irl doesn't have a 280 character limit per post, a system where only the top 1% most upvoted opinions and their replies are visible, or an algorithm that tries its hardest to push you into watching latenight tv garbage even though you don't even live in the US. irl doesn't have a user experience designed to turn you into an asshole, it just gives you the option to be one.

>/ic/ arguing wether a computer is self aware or not
based retards

>>4515082
>I guess I’m just afraid of getting cucked by a robot
Presently we already are (or aren't, whichever side you see it from) cucked by robots, people get free apps that produce believable pencil sketches or impressionist pictures; Photoshop can auto-fill the space when you delete a background intelligently; we have brush stabilizers or software like CSP that adds those flicks to linework, all things that would usually require labor/time/practice. Still, people want their portraits drawn or painted and come in droves to places like redditgetsdrawn. Even if algorithms could fulfill all the needs of those people, I still doubt it could reproduce something like redditgetsdrawnbadly, which relies on meaning, narrative (trollery), and unpredictability. Once quantum computers are a regular thing, and every single thing that's being drawn on this earth is being recorded and fed to them, then maybe (given this planet is still inhabitable by that time).

>>4515308
Those are just technicalities but it's virtually the same. Even before the internet, it wasn't any different.
Whoever controls the flow of information, decides on people will behave and what opinions they'll have.

>>4515199
Imagine AIs could seamlessly insert crab posts into /ic/, but would also reply fighting the crab and so forth, so that only 5% of the thread were relevant to the dis-... oh, wait.

>>4515324
totalitarian regimes throughout history have tried and failed to do that reliably and without exerting force overtly. AI will revolutionize subliminal information control.

I will only worry the day an AI can create furry porn

>>4515329
a-are you an AI?

>>4515333
I'm not even arguing against that.
All i said with my post >>4515272 is that people let themselves get manipulated by targeted streams of controlled information because life is shit and people are fucking retards

>>4515356
Heh, nice comment. Just as an aside, do you think that talent exists and that it's important when learning art....?

>>4515403
u = poopie head *pulls hair*

>>4515324
Let me guess and you are above all that

>>4515575
I've been here since 2008, your guess, mate.

>>4514681
That’s what you get for aspiring to be a shitty porn artist. I feel no remorse for you.

>>4514146
Holy fucking shit. THANK YOU! Fucking finally!

I’m fucking tired of artists getting paid for simple stupid shit just because learning how to draw is difficult because of all the misinformation. Holy fuck! Finally we can weed out the hacky anime-waifu “artists” on DeviantArt and 4chan who don’t actually create any sort of story with their drawings.

This is the most excited I’ve ever been about drawing in my entire life. Finally the hacks on Instagram can fucking die because their generic meaningless art can easily be replicated by an AI.

This is the best thing that has ever happened. I hope this gets crazy advanced because then we’ll see who the real artists are.

Thanks for posting this OP. You made my day.

>>4515716
It will weed out the shitty western "painterly" artists and lineart ubermensch will be the only ones left standing.

>>4514681
Quit, pussy.
I fucking hope this gets even more advanced so hacks like you can fucking quit because your generic shit art can easily be replicated.
This is the best thing that has ever happened for the art community.
I’m fucking tired of artists getting praise for generic shit without any sort of meaning/soul/story.
I can’t wait for this to get much more advanced and weed out the hacks.

>>4515706
This

find me a machine that can replicate THIS

i still got my soul tho

Y u care, if u don't give up, u gonna make it in the end

Oh yes art is now obsolete because anyone with a computer can produce an inferior product

>>4515748
lolmao

>>4515776
Keep coping buddy.
This will eventually get so advanced that it will weed out generic art.
Eventually, to get paid, you would have to actually have soul in your artwork and not draw yet-another-anime-portait.

>>4515788
oh god im gonna COOOOOM

>>4515776
The fact that Coomer artists are making coombucks by the trucksloads, that means creating inferior art sells...

>>4515789
>This will eventually
>eventually
Thanks for proving my point dumbass


>>4515794
Inferior art selling doesn't make superior art obsolete the same way junk food selling doesn't make fancy food obsolete

>>4515811
>imagine coping this hard.

>>4515837
>using art on your post and further proving it's not obsolete
Bruh are you even trying?

>>4515863
>implying anime isn't already obsolete with plebs watching 3d shit

>>4515869
3d anime is shit tho...

>>4515874
Doesn't matter if the plebs will watch it anyway. In democratic culture the masses determine what is art and you can't do anything about it elitist fucktard

>>4515020
best comment

anyone else mention that this is clearly just taking work thats already been made and generation inferior versions of it using pattern replication from thousands of different artworks and now actually "creating" any new drawing at all? no? the fact that it can only make amalgamations of the most basic type of portrait, and even then inconsistently because its basically just google face recognition with a twist?

>>4515891
*generating *not
i may be a retard but this is still accurate

>>4515891
yea and most of these algorithms work in such a limited way that simply adding new data disimilar to the types it is learned to use won't understand how to incorperate it. So this network that spits out faces, for example, if you were to put paintings of full body shots it will only be able to produce grotesque looking hybrids of giant faces with legs or arm or what have you.

>>4515966
i just put in a reference photo that i did a portrait of to see how good of a portrait the algorithm could make of it. It literally turned her eyeballs in opposite directions lmao. people legitimately think this is going to take over art. That's only going to happen when we make general super intelligent ai which can learn how to actually draw, which is why i hope we never do.

>>4515985
trust me this is far far away from that. These neural networks that combine images are nothing more than fancy photoshop blend modes

>>4514739
>All you can expect as a vidya dev in the near future is your job getting easier and easier, like factory workers back in the days.
Pretty much this but for artists. Guys, if regular shmoes have access to this ai shit (which is currently heavily monitored, updated, and designed by humans in the first place)... then guess what, the people who dedicate their lives to art (the artists) will also have access to these tools. We can use them to make our own jobs easier...

the future is now

>>4514146
Those fuckers paywall their service. Fuck them

>>4514522
>art should be a personal pursuit of enligthment and knowledge, not some cheap standarized supply made to feed the consumerist machinery
Do you even history?

>>4516105
neither the church or rich mecenas had factories to churn out art for plebs. shit was intented exclusively to patricians

>>4516103
lol thanks for that contribution to the discussion

>traditional artist literally blown out of the fucking water
>Can already recreate photos in different traditional art styles
Seems like the time for the soulful artist that draws from memory has come

>>4514187
>I bet 90% of the ai art threads are made by ngmi's who are looking for excuses to not draw

The service is shit. You even can't upload your own images. You can only mix pre existing ones.

And these cunts think they're in a position to paywall this?

I hope they get coronavirus and die.

People fear the ai but we are also machines just very complicated, thoughts and emotions are merely a product of electric current no different from our own electronic devices just a bit more complex

>>4516163
Based retard

>>4514146
>>4514151
This AI just does what those shitty portraits artists do anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nJJ5r0kOy4

>>4514151
>>4516395
And nothing of value was lost.

there is no escape

Art will be the last job to go. If AI can replace art, then it can replace anything and in that case we're already living in a utopia.

>>4516450
>t. the last man

>>4516389
>people fear the ai
more like the people's republic fears the Ai

>>4514805
>It’s slavish to attempt to be “useful”.
Oh Jesus grow up. This is why we have a college debt crisis.

>>4516588
based

Thats a nope from me

Wow they are all so unique and diversified!

I will never reach this level of mastery!

>>4516642
>>4516644
there's no need to hide your fear, anon

Stylized cartoons master race

>>4515054
Not even bio-engineering can save you.

>>4515308
>irl doesn't have a user experience designed to turn you into an asshole
Sure it fucking does and the government has experimented with it. Just making red lights last 20 seconds more than they need to is enough to ruin several hundred people's lives and in turn have them pass on their misery to those they interact with.

Facebook and twitter as herd control implements are nothing new.

>>4514146
>calling this art

just no

>>4516702
Why not? It's basically just a more advanced tool like you would find on Photoshop.

Digital artists are going to be so excited.

>>4514178
He cute ngl

>>4516704
cause I wouldn't call industrial-like production art.
I don't think digital artists working in character design, etc. pumping out sketch after sketch, are 'artists' in the original sense.
They are just worker bees.

>>4515307
Traditional has already been automated

Traditional art literally BTFO

>>4514146
Some of these are pretty cool, thanks for the OC generator

>>4516400
I new a guys who always looked like that when he saw someone drawing something he liked, he would would stand over their shoulder watching them draw making that face unironically

i fucking hate ais

>>4514221
Very well said!

>>4514146
well, back to drawing

>>4518779
based

>>4514146

Wake me up when AI can tell a story in generated art.