/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4506428
shut the fuck up

no. also usually you don't see the horribly /beg/ pictures done by masters because they either never upload them or they're lost to the sands of time in their old childhood desk or something. even with young prodigies they have some shit doodles that they intended to turn out good.

>>4506443
Then why some 10 year old draw better than you?

>>4506458
Because they've drawn longer than him and children pick stuff up easier.

>>4506428
No, talent it's just an excuse for the ngmi /beg/s of this stupid board.

>>4506479
Are you telling me a 10 year old kid has put more hours in than a 30 year old artist who has been drawing for 15 years and got a degree in art?

>>4506428
It does but who gives a shit? Kim Jung Gi ain't you and you ain't him. Go do your own fucking thing.

>>4506491
cope

I'll humor you OP. Show me successful artists' interviews where they say "it isn't my discipline bro, it's talent, I'm gifted, it isn't because I worked hard, shit was given to me".

>>4506458
dedication and study bud, when i look at my shit art periods where i had no improvement in months, and my periods of outstanding improvement in just a matter of weeks, the main difference is schedule. no shit my art improvement stagnated when i wasn't studying references precisely and only drawing every other day. when you're in school you typically have more free time to draw, if you talk to a lot of the prodigies you can learn more about their schedule or how they learned. some of them focus too much on learning how to master one subject in drawing, and then when they branch out they don't apply that dedication and end up falling behind. drawing good when you're young doesn't mean it's concrete to amount to anything. i followed one person when they were 15 because they could do stunning amounts of detail, anatomy and composition, but now that they're 18 all of their art is half assed /beg/ shit and poorly drawn, graphic yaoi. it's possible to progress in art as well as regress.
people called me talented growing up for the longest time, and i believed it, but recently when i reviewed my entire gallery, including my works that i pushed to the side or never uploaded, i've noticed a clear and present progression. this progression is due to further observation of the subjects i wish to draw, and more analytical precision in what i wish to portray.
even if talent does exist, are you really going to sit around whining and complaining, making the same thread every day, or are you going to go out and take illustration by the horns? the choice is yours. maybe you have talent inside of yourself, but it's never been utilized seriously and therefore it is useless. go out and see the world, put it in your brain, and portray it through your stylus.

TIL the weekly average number of /ic/ threads about "talent" is fifty hundred thousand

>>4506561
Successful artists are obviously not going to speak with that attitude in public, otherwise social media would lynch them online
>>4506568
cope
>>4506578
seethe

>>4506428
Kys you waste of space.

>>4506603
>source: just trust me bro

>>4506603
Dilate
>>4506568
Have sex
>>4506428
It does exist but here people are going to deny it because a good portion of this board have been drawing for a long time with little to no improvement expecting for the "just draw" to come trough at some point but it never will. You need to have some level self realization in order to understand that if you don't improve over time you don't have any talent and drawing isn't for you but most people around here must be autistic in order to keep trying despite the fact that they will NEVER are going to be able to make it.

>>4506428
Even if talent exists you still dont get to KJGs level without practicing for thousands of hours so shut up and dont worry about it

>>4506642
based

>>4506651
>>4506613
>>4506609
cope

>>4506428
Yes, everyone has magical super powers except you.

>>4506683
pyw

>>4506428
Yes and everyone who says know fears that they don't have it the most.

>>4506642
>improving over time means you have talent
But i thought art wasn't about consistent improvement, isn't art improvement not on a linear path?

>>4506699

>>4506428
Let's say it's No
> You still have to practice

Lat's say it's Yes
> You still have to practice

Let's say it's Maybe
> You still have to fucking practice

>>4506774
This right here. Why the fuck isn't op drawing?
Doesn't matter if talent exists or not. Even if it does are you still gonna whine and give up on drawing?

>>4506774
>>4506791
ngmi's coping

>>4506428
>>4506774 cont.
If Mozart had to practice, you have to practice
The only thing the possible existence of talent does for anyone is deter them from trying to achieve their goals. Most of the time someone asks if talent is real or not, they are looking for a reason to quit.
>If talent exists, I can give up and not be held accountable to myself because it's something I can't control.
Even if talent exists, and you happened to be talented, you would still not pop out of your mothers vagina painting like Michelangelo's Sistine Chapel's ceiling.
Pic related

>>4506881
okay anon just fucking give up

Yes, but it probably only accounts for 1% of every truly great artist's skill.

>>4506904
Mozart started playing piano at advanced level when he was 5 year old, are you fucking telling me he practised 5 years to get there? Hahahahahahahaha

>people are still falling for his bait posts

>>4506920
He started playing when he was 3, his father was a acclaimed musician who trained both his son and his daughter rigorously. His life was devoted to music.

>>4506907
cope

I am literally the second most least intrinsically skilled person I have ever met and I have surpassed nearly everyone who was “better” than me earlier on. Talent does exist but in 99% of instances having a modicum of intelligence and a work ethic wins out. The only time “talent” matters is for the highest echelon of art making, and it is generally evident in traditional/illustrative fields. The bulk of industrialized digital bullshit art is just about being able to do a thing most people can be taught.

>>4506995
Ok so Mozart played for 2 years. Guess what homo, pianists play formally for 6 years plus whatever amount of years they previously played BEFORE getting to Mozart's level at age 5. Talent exists, and you don't have it.

>>4507004
>yeah im such a pro
Then post your work homo

>>4507004
Continuing off of this,

No one who has ever been to /ic/ will touch upon the genius of the old masters in music or art. Talent does matter if you want to be remembered as a “god” of your discipline. Can you make a living if you’re a stubborn, talentless shmuck like me? Absolutely lol.

>>4506642
if i have sex my talent will escape out my body and into the female

>>4507018
Then post your work and stop bluffing fucking /beg/

>>4507026
Cope harder or get back to work and off of this cesspool

>>4507031
In other words all you said is bullshit and you're a fucking useless /beg/ternal ngmi lol

>>4507021
Kek

>>4507007
Yet he still had to practice lmao

>>4507054
But only 1/100th than the average ngmi lmao

>>4507098
True

>>4506428
Yes anon, /ic/ is very talented in shitposting and drawing so you gotta give credit where is due.

>>4506484
total hours dont matter, its where you put the hours.

>>4507391
>and drawing

i'm glad this has been settled once and for all now

>>4506428
anyone could draw this if they wanted to sacrifice 500 hours for a piece of shit

>>4507391
>""""""and drawing""""""

>>4507425
The 30 year old put it in the toilet, along with his entire life

yes. Pic related

>>4506428
Yes IQ exists. No it's not racist pseudoscience

>>4507654
All his stuff looks like shit

>>4507665
thats my point, despite drawing so much hes shit, thats the inherent talent part, intelligence or not

>>4506428
Stupid. Of course some people are talented. Stupid. What does it have to do with you? Why would some people having a leg up affect you? You're either talented or not. It's already done. Work hard or give up altogether, it's all the same. Stupid.

>>4507654
>draw a cube from that same exact angle 6 million times
>never improve
truly a mystery

>>4507729
Stupid. go kill yourself already, stupid. Or post your work.

>>4507754
thats talent in play

>>4507771
was talent just a euphemism for using basic learning techniques all along?

>>4507789

>>4507654
>>4507695
> do the same thing 1000 times
> get really good at doing the same thing that doesn't work
> bash head against brick wall
> door nearby don't don't ever go there
> blame lack of talent in getting through walls

>>4507806
it doesn't take special aptitude or intelligence to avoid living in the comfort zone for 5 years

>>4506920
Mozart's dad was a well-known instructor and his older sister was said to be just as advanced. He was bred into an environment where not learning music would be hard. A child's mind soaks up shit like crazy and his father wasn't passively letting him learn on his own. If you have the best teacher in a field as your parent teaching you intensely as you grow up, what do you expect? If it took an average of 10 years to git gud by self-learning, imagine starting before the age of 5 with one of the best as your teacher, and another of the best as your sister.
Children learn a lot faster, and you can still see this kind of practice in today's world
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYvXpUuHOl8
crazy how she practices even though she's labeled as a child prodigy, huh?

>>4507891
NOOOOO THATS NOT TALENT NOOOOOOOOO TALENT IS SUPPOSE TO MEAN YOU DREW COOL SHIT WITHOUT PRACTICE!!!! LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE

>>4507891
You are admitting in your post that it was his dad's genes what mostly gave him the talent, talent is hereditary you fucking uneducated piece of cuckshit lmao

>>4507900
Holy shit
You're an actual fucking idiot

>>4507919
seethe harder

>>4507900
Hate the player, not the game

>>4506428
>Talent

Talent most assuredly exists, look at savants as an extreme example.

That being said, the vast majority of people that you are jealous of for drawing better than you are probably just working harder than you.

And by working harder, I mean working more purposely, more attentively, and taking more creative risks.

I've been teaching art for over a decade. Most of my "talented" students don't make it very far because they only want to draw the stuff they're good at. The ones that succeed at the college levol or beyond, started mediocre but just outworked the talented.

>>4507820
he drew so many heads from ref and he still sucks shit

>>4508005
Doesn't matter how many heads you draw from ref if you ignore your mistakes and repeat them on the next head. It looks like he rushed every single drawing and didn't learn anything. It's easy to fill up an entire sketchbook if you just speed crap everything.

In contrast I've only been drawing for a couple months but I'm learning something new from EVERY SINGLE DRAWING. So even though I haven't drawn as much, each drawing is an improvement on the previous in some small way.

>>4508005
For example look. This is just me trying to work out ONE problem I was having. It's just one head and one reference. But I didn't move on until I figured it out. It's only one page but it took 2 days of THINKING and ANALYSING until I figured out the problem. Now every head I do from now on will not have this issue because I know what it is and how to keep it from happening.

>>4507969
Cool story bro. Now post your work or shut the fuck up.

>>4508014
The only thing that doesn't look like crap over there are the faceless eyes

>>4508019
I don't post my drawings/paintings to 4chan, sorry. It's not worth the risk to my career.

If you speak with other art instructors about talent, I'm sure you'll hear similar opinions.

>>4508021
If you're learning it's not about making something look good it's about making it correct.

>>4506458
Am I supposed to be hurt that 10 year olds can draw better than me?

>>4506428
talent in the form of sheer skill from the get go does not exist.

however. intelligence and ability to analyze and understand things and the tenacity to keep trying never giving up does exist. some people are literally too dumb to understand things. art is 100% just understanding and recreating things over and over and over until its completely internalized after years of hard work. if you suck at this or don't have the willpower you are fucked.

Learn to learn. that's the only talent you need.

I think you should all look inside and ask yourselves why you want talent to exist so badly

>>4508011
>looks like he rushed every single drawing
hey a lot of those geometric solids are lovingly rendered.
dude probably spent multiple days of his lifespan drawing the same couple objects from the same angle with the same light source.

>>4508025
In other words all you said was bullshit

>>4508823
Stop being so pathetic for fucks sake, all his stuff looks like total shit

>>4509328
what are you trying to say anon?

>>4509390
Pretending that someone that looks like garbage doesn't look like garbage is an act of self compassion, I bet your art looks like shit too and you constantly tell yourself "oh, but maybe itdoesn't" Stop coping fag.

>>4509452
oh, you were inventing random shit to argue with.
i was pointing out how much time it looks like he sunk into some of his comfort zone garbage. does this make sense to you now?

>>4509541
pyw

>>4506428
does anyone else get tired of looking at KJG? not saying he doesn't have skill, but it's always just a giant mess of shit crammed together

also yes, obviously talent exists or else you couldn't explain why, out of people born into the same circumstances who all work as hard, some succeed more than others

>>4509702
Jealous, aren't we?

>>4506561
Retard, show me the interview where rich people say "it's not my intelligence or business suave bro, it's inheritance money, I'm gifted not because I work hard, shit was given to me".

It's human nature.

>>4506428
Yes

>>4509702