/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

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are these topics meaningful enough for me to participate?

repostan from the last thread, looking for criticism to point me in the right direction, specifically to do with proportions I guess

>>4500741
Ayyyyyy lmao

>>4500741
Head is way too big, and the midsection between the ribs and hips isn't correct, I'd review your anatomy there. Overall just keep drawing a lot, 90% of your mistakes will be fixed in half a year

>>4500741
brub did you get the alien out of area 51 just to pose for y

are there any brushpacks or recommended settings for drawing anime in paint tool sai v2? or are the default pencil and brush tools supposed to be good enough

>>4500695
Is Pochi a good artist?

>>4500741
Loomis.

>>4500741

>>4500772
which pochi

>>4500741

>>4500770
you need to tweak them a lot, also the new version 2020 has the blur tool back ?

>>4500746
yeah for some reason I always end up with ayy lmao heads, I end up having to scale them down when I go ever my skeleton lines, I guess I'll have a read through some anatomy books. I'm a little ADHD so I always try to rush to a "finished piece" and find practice and the learning points pretty oppressive, I guess I'll just have to get used to it though, thanks for the advice

>>4500829
>I end up having to scale them down when I go ever my skeleton lines
As you should be. Use the fuck out of the lasso and resize tools and don't worry too much about getting it right the first time. Hopefully it'll come eventually.

Been studying mostly jav for a week. Big brain path to become true anime

>>4500741
>>4500745
>>4500785
>>4500805
loomis

>>4500843
h-how'd she know my middle name

>>4500872
I drew her for you

>>4500895
why doesn't anyone draw my waifu saying my name

>>4500843
sauce on the trap

>>4500945
Idk, but it's post no. 16857582 in the recently archived gay thread in /gif/

>>4500870
Why don't you post a real critique instead of your favorite fundies author.

>>4500843
Please do not invoke his name

>>4500954
>>4500741
Here's some real critique: holy fucking shit please draw more from reference and improve your observational drawing skills for the love of god. There is not a single piece of advice anyone can give you that's more important than that

How can I draw the feet please goddamnit I'm learning foreshortening

>draw figure, looks good
>try to put it in a background
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

More construction of the upper body, I used some taimanin images thats why half of them have big bazoongas.
Are the ribcages too wide for the heads?

>>4500965
fuck off this entire board exists for criticism.

>>4500965
Well, that's a great advicez draw more using reference and mapping it, from almost every angle map using references

>>4501073

edited the size*

>>4501032
what refence for big tidders?

>>4501032
holy fucking based Lois thanks seriously there is almost every pose that I needed, fucking based thanks bud

>>4501032
do you have one for the hips and tummy? save my life bro please

>>4501032
don't draw small tits like that. theres a proper chart with tits sizes hopefully someone will post it

>>4500786
>https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/22438

>>4500843
Are you just copying?

r8 my work

>>4501099

Am I anime now?

>>4501137
Autist/10

>>4501148
No you missed the train. Now everybody will know you are a westener and it will take you decades to unlearn.

>>4501131
>https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/22438
Yes maybe even on of the best

>>4501131
>https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/22438
Literally typical pixiv mediocrity

>>4501170
Feqq gg

>>4500809
how do you need to tweak them? can you be more specific please. i'm a noob at digital art

>>4501133
In fact everything is coping even drawing from imagination, you're just inspiring yourself in something that already exists, tracing a drawing is being a ngmi

>>4501141

>>4501104
>>4501115
ive been using this https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts?tags=aoi_nagisa_%28metalder%29&ms=1
I dont have the lower body yet
>>4501111
y-your welcome?
>>4501126
they are more difficult to draw than the big ones, i will try to correct that thanks

>>4501005
My take

>>4501180

>>4501005
you fucked up the shines. re-draw everything knee down.

>>4501137
this image is messing with my head is this for some coomer mag?

>>4501202
you should take your time to learn anatomy all your works have some serious anatomical problems

>>4501252
point them out then, I don't see it.

>>4501099
I like your drawings anon

GENERAL QUESTION:
I have a problem with making my art really look like its standing on some surface. It just always look like the figure is floating. Any advice on this or someone who had similar provblems?

>>4501032
this is shit, you die now

>>4501099
>>4501141
>>4501202
loomis

>>4501148
fucking disgusting

What brush do you guys recommends for sketching digitally? I'm using a random one i got from deviantart and It looks weird, I'm using csp btw.

>>4501286
it will far easier naming what isn't bad like they look anime enough. the rest has issues but if you can't see it the try looking at nip works with similar poses and see the difference just in the anatomy aspect not even polishing

>>4501133
Copying is literally how you make it retard. You copy all different poses for hours and hours and you build muscle memory on how body parts should look at different angles.

Only the ngmi retards obsessed with their own style while they're still learning tell others that copying doesn't count.

>>4501325
What is this retard even saying lmao;

>>4501329
How many autists keep coming here just to try and discourage people from anime? I've heard time and time again that to make it you need to copy thousands of anime and learn fundies on the side, and yet everytime someone posts a copy here, there's this one autist who says the guy should read loomis or some shit.

If people were to follow these retards nobody would ever draw anything, they'd keep drawing loomis plates until they get bored of drawing and give up lol.

>>4501346
>they'd keep drawing loomis plates until they get bored
more like they wil keep going until they make it and make people like you ....SEETHEEEEEEEEE!!!!1

>>4501351
based based based

>>4501292
thanks anon :)

>>4501346
you should copy 1000s of anime and read roomis too

>>4501292

>>4501292
++

>>4501381
>>4501370
>>4501363
loomis

>>4501381
>>4501370
i hope you are under 18

>>4501133
I drew all the poses except for the anime girl by pausing porn videos of real humans and drawing them, aka working on my fundamentals: smut edition

>>4500843
great job anon :D must've taken a while

>>4501381

>>4501363
>>4501370
>>4501381
>>4501435
Neat!

>>4501441
>Neat!
i meant to say *yuck*

>>4501445
Post your work

Is this girls calves short?

>>4501459
Maybe, but who's to judge? Not me, I never studied catgirl anatomy.

>>4501464
woflgirl*

>>4501459
>doesn't have feet just nubs under those boots

>>4501459
yeah they look weird

>>4501005
Just use a model

>>4501346
>>4501202
/asg/

>>4501394
don't be mean. he's better than i was a few short months ago

>>4501459
draph body

>>4501467
dude that makes it hotter.

>>4501485
>t. typical retard from 4chan

kek

>>4501305
draw a ground plane, practice perspective. stop drawing characters in voids. practice drawing boxes from different angles. take pictures of real life and try placing characters inside them.

>>4501485
No logical argument, adding nothing of value to anyone, thanks for your comment anon.

>>4501252
There's nothing wrong with his anatomy stupid crab, just his proportions and perspective are off.

>>4501583
>his
Why did you assume xer gender?

>>4501567
>>4501544
Don’t need to be logical to a bunch of retards like you. Seethe more you ngmi retards

>>4501604
*starts sobbing uncontrollably*

>>4501346
>How many autists keep coming here just to try and discourage people from anime?
There is actaully a whole discord dedicated exclusively to this, they were the same retards that were trying to push the term amawu btw and also the reason why the chink youtuber avoids this place, he is actually coordinating the shitposting to sabotage any honest working anon.

Glad someone finally takes notice. Best thing everyone can do is just ignore the blatant shitposters and attention whore, post work and just take critique that offers actual meaningful advice.

>>4501610
>schizo

>>4500745
Do you post your art somewhere?

>>4501610
>There is actaully a whole discord dedicated exclusively to this, they were the same retards that were trying to push the term amawu
Pretty based ngl

How much would you charge for a commission of this quality?

and if the answer is under $150 please link you twitter or contact info

>>4501752
$25 to $40 dollar. Sketch, black/white, or color.

>>4501757
>and if the answer is under $150 please link you twitter or contact info
otherwise you're trolling

>>4501752
it might be under $150 for that because I thought she had 3 legs lmao. your work is still really rough despite the fact that you can render. it's sterile, lifeless, and you have no idea about color and composition. short answer is divide how long that piece took you and pick a per hour rate you'd be happy with.

otherwise find a price sheet of what you think is comparable art. i'm not sure how much people are willing to spend on comms with how everything is, and if you're not already well-known to some community it'll be tough to command that price. since it's digital, the two main ways are either hourly + "expenses" or fixed prices. one you're determining what you're paid per hour, the other you're not. in traditional stuff usually you're factoring in some kind of margin or multiplier for the work.

$150-200 minimum is what a good version of that piece should be with a background like that.

>>4501610
Discord ruined everything, we used to just have mods and viral marketers working together, but now even morons can band together to troll for free.

Hey GMI Anon. Got any recommended resource for drapery and clothing?

i should have posted here

>>4501133
Can you please fuck off holy shit

>>4500741
ayy

>>4501825
really nice, only crit is to have the hair sit a little further out from the head. erase the headshape construction line and draw the hair like an inch/a few centimeters from her skull to give it a bit more volume. hair has volume and even tight ponytails will still bunch up a bit near the tie.

>>4501777
That's not my work and if you think you can do better for that price please do link your twitter.

Opinions on this person's anatomy. I find it very appealing but since I'm /beg/ I won't know if it's fucked or not.
>this pic is goals desu

>>4501752
/beg/ art.

>>4501825
Fundies.

>>4501891
hehe, I know where this is from
if it's appealing to you, why would it matter if it's "correct"? if you want to draw in this style and it inspires you, go for it.

>>4501752
$200 at absolute minimum rather go for $300+ if you are doing the character design from scratch, no ref.

>>4501891
dude the point is that you POST YOUR OWN WORK not random coom art you find on the internet.

>>4501891
The anatomy is beyond fucked, he's using diaper folds for skin. Regardless it's good, and don't use it as a reference.

>>4501891
it's clearly gay fetish art. draw what you like. there's nothing glaringly wrong but there are embellishments made because of the disgusting scene it's for.

what is the point of asking this question if telling you the answer doesn't actually help you since you know nothing about anatomy?

>>4501944
anyone who needs glasses literally cannot see your lines, you need to stop posting criticism for the sake of your reputation

>>4501945
>it's clearly gay fetish art
no shit sherlock

>>4501927
How many hours would something like that take you?
I am a /beg/ and I spend literally 40+ hours on drawings that are way more simple and worse than that, it's honestly pathetic, so I'm curious how much I have to go before I'm working at a pace that artists would consider reasonable.

>>4501930
>Questions about achieving certain styles

>>4501785
Before discord it was skype groups, before skype it was irc channels, actually irc has always been going strong in this aspect.

>>4501965
>How many hours would something like that take you?
The answer is always "it depends". Making art is not an assembly line.
A lot depends on how familiar the subjects is. How well the client communicates what he wants. How much ref material is available. And how much detail is needed.

Say the character is already established and refs are aplenty. Then it can go from 6 hours to 16 of rendering after client gave to go on the sketch and wip, since 90% of it is just renderfagging.

If refs are sparse and I gotta make up all shit on my own then usually a lot more, it can go to 20+ hour range.

If the character or everything) needs to be designed and made up from scratch then a lot more that I rather measure in days. It takes a lot of client discussion and sketching time and then time for the client to make up their mind and more wip steps to approve. One thing I would l say is proper client discussion is probably the most important part to avoid unnecessary work.

>I am a /beg/ and I spend literally 40+ hours on drawings that are way more simple and worse than that, it's honestly pathetic, so I'm curious how much I have to go before I'm working at a pace that artists would consider reasonable.
You just need experience mostly do not worry it will come in time but need to be patient and keep at it. If you are afraid of not being fast enough I can say that most small clients are quite easy with giving you plenty of time if you do not ask for payment up front and keep them updated with wip pieces.

The best I can suggest is to try and create a standardized workflow for yourself that you can follow and stick to it. I know I just said "art is not an assemly line" a minute ago but having a routine in your work can help immensely to get you to focus easier.

>>4501752
MINIMUM $200 probably more like $300. depends entirely on how prestigious you are. also, how long it takes you to do. does that piece take 8+ hours? then you are working for mcdonalds wages at $150.

>>4501995
>20+ hours
i hope you are charging $600 per commission.

>>4501995
Thank you for explaining all that, I appreciate it!

>>4502007
>i hope you are charging $600 per commission.
As I said: it depends
Base is 200 but I had 1000+ jobs too when there is a huge batch but that was several weeks of work and was paid in multiple installments. Note that when I say weeks that contained multiple days when nothing was done because I was waiting for client response.

>>4501960
I'm here for the critics, and to learn exactly how not to draw, which being here has that knowledge in chunks.

>>4501891
who is this cute girl

>>4501237
arigato anonkun

>>4501148

>>4501944
>the anatomy is beyond fucked
Better than yours will ever be. You can't even draw at all.

>>4502147
Don't respond

>>4502147
I'm the only one on this thread without the patience of a child, if your not copying perfection from 10 year old artists over learning to the create your own art, your minds explode.

>>4502343
based grey-line sketch poster, taking the board back from the imaginationlets one post at a time

why are there so many blank PNGs in these threads?

>>4502343
that arm is absurdly small
you should really reconsider the, drawing the same pose until perfect strategy
drawing from a lot of other angles will helps you understand poses in space

How can i improve this one without making it bad ?

>>4501944
Ahhh came here to see if broken pelvis anon is still postin

>>4502449
gravity pulls hair down unless the ends are suspended. you can apply the same principle as in dangling fabrics when drawing hair

>>4502437
Noted.

>>4502478
You're gonna like this one.

animay enough?

>>4502502
not pedo enough

>>4502506
:(

Hey /asg/tards, stop leaving the cage open, you’re letting grey sketch faggot in other generals.

>>4502514
based grey sketch poster will beat your asses up in the name of /asg/

>>4499695

>>4502544
bruh you're supposed to build on top of the paper stick, not use it as your outline. It's more to get your proportions and perspective set

>>4502552
How is this different from my no ref practice?

>>4502552
I didn't use it as an outline, but I did keep looking at it while fleshing out the figure. Havent gone far in the book. I just finished the warm ups section, don't wanna rush.

So I have given drawabox a try and so far I am seeing insane gains. I have been trying books left and right, but none of them ended up working for me. It should be unironically the default recommendation to anyone who is a complete beginner.

>>4501621
I recently started on twitter https://twitter.com/Dolce_NSFW

>>4501223
based, thanks

>>4502631
Nice! I'll keep an eye on what you do, anon.

>>4501927
>>4502004
There are still lucid people on /ic/, that's great to know.

Man I can't fucking wrap my head around to do quick body sketches. I tried practicing shapes and gesture drawings so much. Sorry to post this here. I just want to draw some anime girls with ease and not fix errors for an hour after plotting it out

>>4502571
because it's actually useful and will help you improve

>>4502494
Is it better ? I'm not too good with hair

>>4502630
I've been doing dynamic sketching and I think it's much better, it doesn't focus on these retarded 99999 boxes and they teach that the exercises are something to be done everyday. Also Peter Han is thr one who taught that drawabox kid.

>>4502630
>I am seeing insane gains
pyw

>>4502571
there's an actual drawing in the post you quoted

>>4502137
you weren't until this image. now finish it

>>4502717
what do you think you should do? what are you trying to do specifically? what does it look like?

>>4502824
I'm using left as general shading and some anatomy style reference, and right mostly for the pose. I'm having a lot of difficulty trying to understand how to draw legs folded and in the right perspective. I normally practice a lot from Proko stuff but I feel like it's not helping me know how to connect the body parts. I dunno I'm stupid, I've been complaining a lot here lately
Artist on the left is gggg, I like his style a lot

>>4502748
>Also Peter Han is thr one who taught that drawabox kid.
one of the many reasons you should be skeptical of his teaching

>>4502728
Tell me how hitokaku is any different from my figure drawing method without meming. Go.

>>4502817
All I see are scribbles.

>>4502846
What are you diagnosed with aside of narcissism and shit taste?

>>4502846
It's exactly the same and this is why you'll make it while shitotacucks won't

>>4502846
>All I see are scribbles
an improvement over the empty images you're posting

Originality is a lie.

stop responding to the narcissistic tranny who just shitposts with nothing to back it up

>>4502950
Strange, I was just waiting for you discordtrannies to post your work, and prove what you're talking about.

>>4502841
a couple problems here. the reference artist has horrible anatomy, and the right image is flat lighting with her wearing socks so you have no reference for depth/rotation of her legs. so the figure's left leg, image side right, is completely busted. torso and up look fine.

>I'm having a lot of difficulty trying to understand how to draw legs folded and in the right perspective
for anything with construction, you generally want to draw boxes instead of cylinders because cylinders can't indicate rotation like boxes. start by drawing a very simple stick of the underlying leg, then wrap a box around that, then you can simplify it to a sphere with the lighting and shadow side solved. generally the feet point in the same direction as the knee. so image side right leg, you've drawn the foot like how it is in your 3d image but the knee is pointing straight forward. the knee is pointing much further out judging by the angle the foot's pointed. look down at your legs and point your foot around, see how the knee follows.

that's a tough pose in general and the best ref you have is posing like that yourself. something that helps me is drawing the pose multiple times rotating it like 5 or 6 times in 360 degrees to make sure you fully understand how it's working in 3d space.

pic is luca cambiaso. simple shapes, simple washes for light and shadow. try with more basics instead of trying to go straight for contours. this stuff helps with rotating the figure in your mind and figure out where the volumes go.

>>4502959
When can we see a finished drawing from you?

>>4502841
take it out of perspective to understand the pose >>4499886

>>4502959
dude I have a fucking astigmatism and I CANNOT SEE YOUR LINES

>>4502989
I have no clue how to make good brushes in sai.

>>4502980
When I'm good.

>>4503004
What the hell am I looking at? Stop using brushes with that much opacity

>>4502972
>>4502981
I see. I forgot the youtubers name but I also watched their video for advice on constructing, and they said not to use sticks, while another suggests not to use boxes etc so it all gets confusing on what's best for me on how to construct. I do always worry about the skin deformation with legs so I didn't really think about using boxes for them when starting out. Not sure if I should bother finishing this but I'll try to keep that in mind for next sketch. I end up finishing things often which takes away my energy for grinding out poses in general which I hate, but I also don't like not finishing stuff really

For practicing construction do you recommend do it on gestures?

>>4503006
There is no opacity.

>>4501825
>>4501851
>>4501894
>>4501944
>>4502039
>>4502343
>>4502449
>>4502501
>>4502502
>>4502571
>>4502744
>>4502846
>>4502959
>>4503004
>>4503009
>>4503012
loomis

>>4503095
nah thanks

>>4503115
why reply

>>4503095
pyw

>>4503211
fucking use a darker color

Any good painting books or guides? I'm total shit at it. I just want to render some backgrounds sometimes..

What now?

>>4503268
Keep copying more anime. You’ll be able to draw it properly one day :^)

>>4503268
keep doing it, a little advice, try to use real poses / extreme action poses, you'll need to keep the "anime" style and is a good exercise to learn how to draw things that you like

>>4503268
and stop copying it, just map it and draw a human form with it, not clothes, you need to draw nude girls to know the anatomy, clothes will take time and is totally useless and even bad for you, stop doing it, map the body and construct it, you can trace the image but trace it like a nude female and build it

>>4503268
You need to work on anatomy more.

>>4503297
>>4503298
Pyw fundiefags

>>4503297
Clothes are easy as fuck man what are you talking about?

>>4503268
now you try to construct an actual drawing without copying contours

>>4503300
What does my work have to do with it? Sorry you don't like critique.

>>4503286
>>4503290
>>4503298
>>4503302
I did actually construct it though.

>>4503307
Because you faggots like to parrot this.

>>4503310
No you need to actually construct it. Go find a pdf of anatomy for sculptors.

>>4503301
>>4503310
the next time post this instead of a finished drawing, so you know how to build, start doing it every day always using reference and start learning how to foreshorten a figure - proportions, you can go full perspective but perspective suck

>>4503313
Because fundies work, dummy. How about you pyw? Show me that you're the superior artist and I'm the idiot here :^)

>>4503316
Can you repeat that but in english?

>>4503315
this is the shittiest piece of trash that I've seen here
>DUDE JUST SIMPLE CUBES!
>NOW YOU KNOW HOW TO DRAW PERFECTLY A HUMAN!
>NOW YOU KNOW PERSPECTIVE! (BECAUSE YOU KNOW IT ALREADY RIGHT?)
>PASSING FROM A CUBE TO A PERFECT HUMAN IS JUST INCREASING THE LEVLE OF DETAIL!
>SHADING IS SOMETHING NATURAL DON'T EVEN BOTHER!
>NOW IS DONE!
who tf is this fucking retard?

Loomis.

>>4503318
I’m not posting my work to retards like you.

>>4503300
>beg asks for help
>other anons give him help
>some other retard comes in and tells them to post their works
rofl this fucking place

>>4503322
You're a salty boi today. Who shit in your cereal?

>>4503327
Well then I'm not posting my work for retards like you that won't post theirs :^) Sorry mommy and daddy didn't love you enough and you chose to take it out on us here.

>>4503328
Like your loomis heads will help you draw anime in the first place.

>>4503331
>Logic: the pose should make at least some sense
>he's using ane extensive understanding of perspective and foreshortening
That's why I never follow "quick tutorials" made by professional people, praising themselves

>>4503315
>>4503316
Is anyone going to tell me what is actually wrong with it or are you just going to keep screeching at each other to pyw?

>>4503322
>SIMPLE CUBES
pyw

>>4503338
yeah buddy, you don't need any construction or structure whatsoever for vietnamese cartoons, you're going to improve a lot with that thinking

>>4503361
not them but you should use a lit bit of Loomis

>>4503361
I said that you did it great, cuck, now you need to keep doing it every day, you'll learn about anatomy gesture and poses familiarizing yourself with bodies, keep doing it every day, and start learning about foreshortening -proportions because you already know how to map a body

>>4503286
>>4503297
>>4503298
>>4503302
>>4503315
>reeeee I am so mad that someone in this thread actually drew something I demand that you stop this at once

>>4503361
Yes, you need to learn anatomy and construction. I already told you. Your foreshortening is bad and you've got body parts that aren't connecting in the right places. You might just need to be more careful about what you're copying from because I saw you copying mistakes from your reference image.

>>4503382
You're reading everything as hostile. You're a pretty insecure little guy, aren't you? You need to stop.

I'm happy that someone else is drawing and I gave crit and name of resource. You sound like you're the one that's mad.

>>4503394
>You're reading everything as hostile
>Sorry mommy and daddy didn't love you
Sure crab

I know i need to work and the hands and the feet

>>4503412
Don't hide her hand, it brings down the drawing

>>4503310
just because you drew some circles so you can better match the shape of the reference doesn't mean you actually analyzed, let alone reconstructed the pose.
also why are you trying to replicate another drawing? much better to just study the styles you like and create your own from imagination imo

>>4503433
Are you legitimately trying to say that the drawing on the right uses "construction" and the other one doesn't?

>>4503433
Too western

>>4503268
>>4503310
>>4503412
loomis
signed,
loomis chad

>>4503448
No, it looks good. It just wasn't drawn with any super sekrit speshul construction methods. It's just a better version of what the first guy was trying to execute.

>>4503441
yes because i wasn't copying some other fucker's drawing
>>4503448
great critique

>>4503412
Face looks pretty anime, good work

>>4503412
even taking into account perspective her right thigh looks like it’s fatter than the other. her left arm, the forearm particularly, seems too long also. she’s pretty cute though.

>>4503433
>imagination
never listen that fucking word, you'll be a /beg/ for 5 years like this cuck, always use references, never fucking draw from imagination

>>4503488
jesus fucking christ lmao
show us your amazing art then you nigger

>>4503462
>yes because I wasn't copying some other fucker's drawing
First of all, yes you plainly were drawing a copy of >>4503268 and no amount of "muh analyze don't copy" will change that.
Second of all, what you produced is essentially just a contour drawing, same as what the original guy did. The limbs are all straight contours with a meaningless attempt at wrapping lines thrown on top. The head and neck is a straight contour/symbol drawing. I don't see any construction that went into the pelvis or crotch. I do see where you used an egg for the rib cage, although I'm not sure how useful that actually was. The only place where I can see some construction happening is the hand.
This is why it's so hard to take you people seriously, because when you actually critically examine the way you draw, all of your advice and methodology ultimately boils down to "just draw better", which frankly I think is the best advice that can be given in a lot of circumstances, and yet you flip out and throw a hissy fit whenever anyone isn't showing sufficient compliance with your "construction" rituals.

>>4503517
based, imaginationfags are the lowest scum, you can draw from imagination the moment that you reached an "ARTIST" level, not a fucking construction level like the guy who is mapping a body with reference

>>4503528
Yeah sorry, I don't agree with you either. I think people should draw from imagination early and often.

>>4503517
>you plainly were drawing a copy of >>4503268
citation needed
>Second of all, what you produced is essentially just a contour drawing
do you even know what contour drawing is you fucking ape
>I don't see any construction that went into the pelvis or crotch
yeah bc i used the fucking eraser you retarded fuck. iq tests should be mandatory for posting, right besides the captcha.
also no fucking work was posted. why am i not surprised

>Imagine not being able to draw from imagination
Just imagine.

>>4503541
>do you even know what a contour drawing is you fucking ape
Yeah it's >>4503433

>>4501459
It's supposed to look like that, just like FFXIV potatoes.

>>4503496
He's right everything you can draw is based on reality and you cannot feed your imagination without drawing from life.
Just watch this from 8:40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BowxEMkCgIU&feature=emb_title

>>4503496
Quit being such a tranny

I struggle with being accurate when copying images.
I spent about 3 hours trying to copy this image, but many obvious errors appeared when I overlaid my sketch on the original.
I mismeasure one thing like the length of the shoulders, and the whole drawing gets thrown off.
Is this a normal part of learning to draw? I do feel like I'm getting a bit better with each attempt, but is there more I can do to improve in addition to practicing more?

Is Vilppu useful for learning anime?

>>4503584
Draw from life

>>4503547
>recreates a pose
>construct the body
>draw the final lines and erase the guidelines
>"BUH THERE'S CONTOURS IN THERE SO IT'S CONTOUR DRAWING"
kek

>>4503587
Use his courses to learn human anatomy and learn to draw generic anime head on top of it

>>4503578
>He's right
not he isn't. he literally said not to draw from imagination. of course you need to study reality to be able to do it, i never claimed otherwise, but he said to ALWAYS use reference, basically leading you to the path of another kangaroo abomination and always needing to crank up some 3d voodoo doll to be able to draw a fucking anime girl

>>4503589
Let's see his actual "construction" then.

>>4503587
if you can understand what his feel the form motto means then, very, very useful

>>4503602
Well I agree, Dave Rapoza posted basically the advice on Twitter
https://twitter.com/DaveRapoza/status/1233286370610728960

>>4503603
well let's wait for the other fucker to post his work first ;)

>>4503603
seconding this. shouldn't be that hard to press undo a few times until he "erased" the constructions.

in the first place why did he even erase the guidelines. he was giving "advice". showing the guidelines is helpful for beginners.

well if he even drew the "erased guidelines"

>>4503612
Here you go.
Now let's see the construction for that drawing.

Drawing from imagination to test my power but I feel like everything is off. Anyone willing to redline and fix my shit

>>4503628
Good job
I sure hope it's not a 1:1 copy anon

>>4503604
>what his feel the form motto means
Practice a whole bunch that you burn the understanding into your brain?

>>4503634
It is a copy of a reference. So what? The other guy I was talking to was using a reference too.

>>4503633
Stop hiding hands and feet faggit. The figure is out of proportion on her lower limbs and head is too small for the torso.
>>4503639
>>4503628
>It's another amawucopy
oof.

>>4503639
>It’s a copy of a reference
>copy
Lmao

>>4503639
Where's the construction in that drawing?

>>4503651
>construction
>copy
pick one

>>4503658
You can pick both. If you were the one that did the mami drawing then you're really misguided about what construction is and you're in no place to lecture others about it.

>>4503644
this, you CAN hide hands and feet when your perspective doesn't allow them to appear, but if you just don't want to draw them is because you're a fucking cuck

>>4503651
I didn't use any construction.
The guy I was arguing with was drawing from reference, then he told me to pyw, so I also posted something from reference.
The goalpost moving is getting absurd at this point. If he refuses to post some simple construction lines that he allegedly already drew then I guess he's just not gonna do it.

>>4503644
>>4503663
Thanks, you're right, I should just fucking draw them, I always chicken out. I wanted to draw the hands tied behind her head but I kept redrawing and couldn't figure out how to place the shoulders and forearms. Guess I just need to study more. I'll try making the head bigger too.

>>4503628
Now draw her doing a pose :^)

>>4503628
>the "don't draw from imagination" guy and "he's a beg" guy it's a literal xeroxfag
lmfao. you did post a drawing tho and for a fucking copy it's not that bad so i won't crab on you too much
Here's the construction. i thought it was obvious from just looking at the fucking thing but for some, aparently not

>>4501305
sounds like you need to study gravity and weight. especially how to convey weight through a pose.

try standing in front of a mirror and do some poses. notice which foot in carrying more weight and try shifting your weight around to see how it affects the pose.

>>4503694
Copyfags don’t know what construction is, kek.

>>4501819
not him but i'd just find some interesting references (like your pic), and just notice how it works with different types of fabric.

if you're drawing something and can't figure it out, you can always look at how someone else did it.

>>4503633
you guys cant just draw anatomically correct bodies and slap a anime head on it...well you can but it looks ridiculous.

>>4503715
what exactly do you suggest.
i've seen lots of good jap artists who do this. anatomically correct, but simplified.

>>4501819
Hogarth or Vilppu

>>4503715
>>4503644
Ok the hands and feet are still fucked but I tried making the head size bigger, made the legs smaller and moved them a bit. Does this look more normal? I do find I have a habit of making the head either too big or too small.

>>4501819
this book helped me a lot. before this book, i was studying the seven key folds that most drapery resources like to teach but those never really clicked with me. this book dissected the mechanics of how drapery deforms under stress and helped me imagine the unseen areas of folds. i practiced by drawing diagrams from the book, drawing from life (set up a piece of cloth in specific folds), drawing from fashion photos, and finally putting those fold archetypes into my drawing from imagination

>>4503009
I went ahead and finished it because I procrastinate about fixing my wrong doings
A lot is messed up, but I also tried approaching coloring weirdly and ended up really hecking that up as well. Started with a dark blue base color and worked from there with blending basically

>>4503787
Everything looks fine except the pussy

>>4503787
my lines also look like this when I ink digi

how do I make them look better? are they just too thick? I don't like how they look super flat, but the volumes are defined in the body

>>4503764
based

>>4503791
I drew an open pussy yesterday, so I'm on break drawing them shut now

>>4503787
the line weight is fucked, learn economy of line

>>4503259
Uh, bros? No one know?

>>4503794
Basically what this anon says
>>4503800
I'm terribly sloppy when it comes to line weight and I'm not mindful of how many I'm putting down. The hair lines should've been much thinner, same for the lines within the body, while leaving the outer generally thicker

>>4503810
we can barely draw convincing figures. you think somebody here is paying attention to the background?

>>4503791
No, it's not fine

>>4503820
Redline it, pyw, yada yada yada. If you want to criticize that's fine but I'm sick of all the trolls in this thread who just leave drive by "you suck" comments.

>>4503820
>>4503826
I don't want him to redline my work though. I acknowledged the mistakes earlier in the thread and rendered it anyway

>>4503800
his economy looks fine. but what has that got to do with line weight anyway?

>>4503779
link?

>>4503884
https://mega.nz/file/bswEQAxb#_bjYq6okEySqxTt84aZmGbG0oyjVtqYtBl01n__NCE0
link goes down soon

Thank you anon, you are a saint.

>>4503846
>what does line economy have to do with line weight
line economy is literally how to vary line weight, and no his economy does not look fine.

>>4503908
uh, no it isn't

>trying to construct pelvis using some 4 dimensional box
>everyone else here is using a box
Have I been duped

>>4503911
>/asg/

>>4503908
you have no idea what you're talking about

>>4503914
well you can have literally zero variance in line weight and still have great line economy, so you're just wrong, anon :)

>>4503913
>4 dimensional box
anon transcended from /beg/ straight into a higher pane of existence

>you share the board with retards who don't know what line economy is

ughhhhh

>>4503922
I mean bucket
I've been trying to draw out the bucket

>>4503911
>>4503915
fuck off

>>4503925
autism

>>4503922
plane*

>>4503918
you have no idea what line economy is

>>4503925
/biz/fags out

>>4503918
RETARD ALERT! RETARD ALERT! RETARD ALERT!
Line economy isn't just one fucking thing. It's the ability to efficiently convey your picture with lines. It's literally having control over your lines.

>>4503927
line economy is using the least amount of lines necessary to convey your concept. this can be done with line weight and wedge but it's not what you think it is.

>>4503936
quit sperging, weirdo
you disagree with the person i was replying to >>4503908

and your definition has no utility. as i've heard it used (every time until now), it's about using as few lines as possible.

>tfw when yu don't relay on this gen
>mfw seeing /beg/s arguing about things they have 0 clue on

keep entertainig me

>>4503945
It's not using the least amount of lines possible. That's completely fucking stupid when it comes different styles, painting and rendering. You use MORE or THICKER lines in places you want to emphasize and less or thinner lines in places that aren't the main focus. Learn where to put your lines efficiently.

/asg/ at it again, lmao.

>>4503950
>That's completely fucking stupid
>Learn where to put your lines efficiently
what?

>>4503946
haha u r so cool

>>4503945
>it's about using as few lines as possible
that's retarded and you're just pulling shit out of your ass. Where have you heard that that is what line economy is? I provided a source for my definition >>4503927 (Hampton Figure Drawing Design and Invention) now where's your source..?

>>4503955
Damn, you had me going for a while. 7/10 bait. Your last post was a bit too obvious though.

>>4503961
>>4503964
i've heard it over the years just online, in colloquial usages. why are you so enraged, my son?
actually if you just search the term on an image search engine, what'll come up in a bunch of pictures with very few lines, not ones with a lot of variance in line weight.
and i actually never contested that varying lineweight might be a good thing.

please keep seething everyone :)

>>4503774
I really like this it's my favorite in the thread. I just think the breasts should appear more softer and squishy with the feet and arms/hands being larger. I also feel it'd be a bit more interesting if she were leaning a bit more forward with her head tilted back a bit.

This is my take on it, you can ignore it completely if you like

>>4503971
>i've heard it over the years just online, in colloquial usages. why are you so enraged, my son?
>actually if you just search the term on an image search engine, what'll come up in a bunch of pictures with very few lines, not ones with a lot of variance in line weight.

>>4503975
>linguistic prescription
anon ...

>>4503774
i think the problem is that she has the face and head of a young anime girl (on like her teens maybe) but on the body of a mature semi realistic woman, it´s not just head size imo.
here's an attempt to fix it, might have made it worse idk

>>4503975
Anon, you can't fix him. He was literally just baiting the whole time.

>>4503972
SUGOI

>>4503986
anon, words are given meaning by the people who use them, not by who's in power.
but amazing that you take this so seriously. do you write dictionaries for a living?

>>4503972
>>4503985
Oh wow these are both really good. Thank you both for the help, I'll try to apply this to future stuff as well. Really liking the squishy boobs on the first one, makes it feel a lot more natural than what I originally had.

>>4503972
those breasts are horrible, other parts are good

>>4503989
no one is seething, you just seem to not be able to accept that you were wrong on what line economy is. I corrected you and you got all assblasted, maybe turn the computer off for a while.

>>4503993
the breasts are fine honestly. i think they look really nice and have a neat shape

>>4503993
they look fine

>>4504000
you mean, i've learned that hampton uses the word in a different way to how i've seen it used by most people? and you can't seem to accept that a word can have multiple definitions?
you've been hardcore posturing for dickstroke points and i'm not really sure why. i think you're the one who needs to chill dude. not everything needs to be an argument, okay? smile more haha put a smile on haha come on smile

>>4503985
Designdoll right now is so easy to use, tried doing a pose similar to this, could get it done in about 3min.

>>4503993

>>4504015
just keep coping my low iq friend

>/asg/ gets baited by low effort trolls
>again

>>4503884
it's on libgen too if somebody is searching after it goes down

>>4504020
this is great for diffcult angles lol

>>4504020
>>4504058

>>4504020
>>4504058
>asg

>>4504073
i had forgotten about this one, kek

>>4504058
>>4504020

>>4503779
>>4503894
Thank you so much

>>4504058
yeah, it's pretty handy

>>4504066
>>4504086
>>4504073
>retards

lmao

>>4503666
>drawing using a reference = photocopying
hmmm

What is your end game /asg/

>>4504188
this

>>4504188
to not get the >>/beg/ treatment when I pmw

>>4504190
You're always gonna get that

>>4504191

>>4504190
just embrace it
you'll always be at a disadvantage when posting work because any retard that can't even draw a loomis cartoon can say your drawing sucks without ever showing theirs

>>4504190
>>4504191
>>4504202
loomis

>>4504229

>>4504229
... who?

Hello friends!

>>4504305
Hello

>>4504305
Hello friend! Please don't stop posting and don't let the shitposters get to you.

>>4504328
don't worry, I won't! Let's draw :)

>>4504305
loomis
>>4504329
>deformed nigger skulls
kek

>>4503946
This, it's nothing but a bunch of clueless clowns

>>4504334
let's be friends!

>>4504378
o-ok, first stop drawing darkies

>>4504382
ok...........

>>4504378
I like you. We should be friends

shit camera guy here. wanted to draw anime today. have been practicing hair and eyes and used a hair i liked

>>4504405
>>4504391
let's be friends and draw! :d

>>4504378
>>4504405
>>4504414
loomis

>>4501099
cute, anon; reminds me of my older work

Thoughts?

guys, if you aren't using construction when you do your copies, you're missing like 80% of the value

>>4504834
vary your line weight more

>>4503416
>>4503486
I tried to improve it and make a background, not too sure about the perspective of it, might try to clean it up...

how can I make my art more like the tifa drawing the other is my shit. I'm a westerner and I want to capture the weeb aesthetic as much as possible what am I missing?

Destroy me tahnks!

>>4505085
LOOMIS!

>>4505175
Shit eye placement, no back skull, no shoulder.

>>4500695
r8 my work

>>4505192
every sakimishitrash clone is usually better at anatomy and composition yet they can make 10% of what she does, is the trick to be a girl?

>>4505085
Is this a troll

>>4505251
>d
no why?

>>4505251
It's the power of copyfags.

>>4505192
Nice turd polish.

>>4505235
No matter how good analog is, it's still analog

>>4505085
I say you're getting there. The main difference I see from the right is better face construction. More conservative use of a palette and better way of describing shape by using hard edge on shadows while abusing highlights much less. That's my take on it and I'm sure better artists would be able to be much more on point, achieving the true anime look is very hard and a mighty goal.

>>4503787
I lessened the lines from yesterday's drawing through overpainting, maybe this is a bit better

>>4505261
greysketch-kun i am a big fan. is there anyway i can watch your grind real-time? (stream, video chat, etc) i need that sweet inspo

a year and some months of trying to learn by myself and this is what I'm capable of for construction. (used the first few pages of kakegurui as ref) I have like no grasp on the simple shapes to make still
kill me
I think I just want to go back to paper so I don't even have digital tools to hand hold me to finish an image

OK GMI anon you got me. I'm studying hitokaku.

>>4505492
https://www.twitch.tv/cardplaya

Here's your stream bro. Better come soon.

>>4505606
good stream bros

>>4500695
test

>>4505580

>>4505188
Red line it

>>4505842
no

>>4505882

Any advice would be a help

I feel like my sketches are too detailed and clean and I might be fucking myself over because of that.

>>4505811
Yeap

I actally quited hitokaku lik 5 times because It's too hard... but now I'm getting that it's too hard fo a reason.

He is challneging me to get better.

>girl asks me to draw her after I tell her I like drawing
haha..... how do I not fuck up

new thread
>>4506172
>>4506172
>>4506172

>>4506168
"No".