/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Skulls from imagination.

Still studying hair, still over-rendering. Today I spent much more time planning the shapes though, it's really helping me to put more effort and thought in the construction.

>>4499302
>>4499324
based begchads

>>4499264
how did u learn to draw te skull

Where do I go from here ?

Where do I go from here?

>>4499336
>>4499341
Oh pal, you'll be practicing like this for months. Get in to imagination drawing soon however.

Skulls from imagination.

>>4499350
Should I learn how to draw clothes after I master this ?

>>4499369
By the time you finish what you're doing you'll know what you need improved, right now you have nothing to work off of.

Keys to drawing exercise 1. Staying in the same position was hard.

>>4499381
Any tips on what to focus on right now ?

>>4499381
breh use a darker brush

First and second attempt at Keys to Drawing exercise 2

>>4499392
I don't know the perfect path, you can't go wrong with shapes, form and perspective however.

>>4499396
I prefer gray.

>>4499350
this is the best I can do

>>4499404
Drop clothes, too complicated.

Get hitokaku from /asg/ or something. Draw simple shapes, get used to perspective, proportions and forms, etc. Simple first. Clothes later.

>>4499420
You should take your own advice.

>>4499433
My path is already set, I need to see where my retarded construction sends me to.

Perspective makes me want to die, the rules are easy to remember but the implimentation make me want to rip the head off of a small animal.

>>4499437
Do you ever practice gesture? Because you need it desperately.

Good on you for at least drawing a shit ton though man. I gotta give you respect for that much.

>>4499361

>>4499438
you dont need it if youre not interseted in bg's or cars and shit

>>4499449

>>4499449
That's just an outright lie.

>>4499438
Keep at it man. One day it'll click with you and you'll learn to like it. Maybe your instructor just doesn't mesh with the way you think about things?

>>4499449
Proof?

>>4499452
>>4499455
post your god tier perspective draws

>>4499443
I can only practice so much things at once. I only need gesture for the first 5 seconds of a drawing as well, so I'm leaving in the back till it's more priority.

Just got my screenless drawing tablet and recently went through a couple of prokos portrait lessons, but I am not done yet. How am I doing?

>>4499469
I don't think you understand how much of a priority it should be. All your figures look like they've got a metal rod for a spine.

>>4499469
what do you even practice

>>4499438
Just keep drawing some boxes untill you get it. :^)

>>4499472

>>4499473
Maybe I don't. I've never once thought about the spine once however. Maybe I'll get a click and it will make sense, or maybe I'm retarded, and there's something about gesture I don't understand.

>>4499478
Imagination drawing really, I want to be able to draw lolis, and my brain needs to know the shapes and positioning of everything.

I probably have a worse imagination than most.

>>4499483
>shekel

>>4499504
Can't you go back to shitting up /asg/ instead.

>>4499504
dont you need to draw from life / references to build imagination

>>4499262
>>4499264
>>4499302
>>4499324
none of this is /beg/ can you make an /int/ thread or something?

Critique me pls.
Also why do my linearts always looks shittier than sketches ?
How do i do hips ? Is perspective necessary for a good drawing of a full body ? Did Israel really thought the USS Liberty was an egyptian boat ?

>>4499563
Also how do i hips ?
I feel like i'm getting here with the glutes wrapping around the hips but i have a hard time with the leg connection.

>>4499544
That's what I'm doing, but the artstyle I'm going for is simple, and it seems simple is very hard.

>>4499556
Incorrect, these are all portraits made with reference, very easy shit that pleases normies like yourself.

>>4499386
>>4499398
Thoughts? Should I continue? Repeat some exercises? My idealistic plan is to work through Keys to Drawing and Fun with a Pencil. Should I work through these books one at a time or together?

>>4499341
Next destination is to stop posting your 3 minute scribbles for some measly (you)s and actually put some time into either grinding or drawing a serious piece.

>>4499556
That would be the draw thread man. It already exists.

>>4499556
Janny doesn't like the /int/ threads

>>4499472
KEK

>>4499631
So it's really bad?

>>4499641
REALLY REALLY bad

>>4499675
what's so bad about it?

>>4499262

>>4499578
those were me trying to grind poses or something. sorry im really aimless

There where complaints of man face last time, so i reworked the last round .

>>4499704
I think she become evil

What are some good settings for a canvas

>>4499763
800 x 800

What is the difference between direct light and modeling tone that glenn teaches ?, i just couldn't wrap my head around it. should i just skip it and go into direct light?

>>4499822
You can think "modeling tone" is direct light from camera

>>4499369
>>4499392
>>4499433
>>4499443
>>4499478
>>4499473
>>4499509
>>4499544

stop responding to him I beg you

>>4499576
Stick with keys to drawing for now, don't just do the excercises but draw from life and reference as well.
At your stage it's all about learning to see things differently and getting a lot of mileage.

>draw every day for 6 months
>draw things i sort of kind of wasn't totally repulsed by
>one anon even asked me if i had a blog
>quit drawing for a year
>forget how to draw the most basic things

>>4499863
Anon.. It's all in you.. PYW

>>4499863

>>4499822
I will not be able to pull of it properly especially on this abomination but something like this

>>4499868
wrong size

>>4499859
>posts his work along with the advice
If everyone was like you, /ic/ would be a better place.

what are the book progressions to learn anatomy figure drawing?

where do I go from here?

I fucking can't read a book without feeling drowsy and start growing tired, sorry boys, I had more fun watching vilppu, I'm too much of a brainlet to get into books.

>>4499704
Better, but definitely check the proportions a bit more before rendering further for the next one. Keep angles as well as verticals/horizontals in mind (for example if you imagine a straight line from the corner of the eye down, will the nostril be to the right or left of it etc.)

>>4499920
Just stick to videos then, there are videos for everything nowadays.

>>4499582
Eyebrows are not placed on the brow ridge.
Nose looks like it was ripped by a dog bite.
Ear is too small.
Study eye + nose anatomy
And study the brow ridge and cheek bone areas and how they connect together on the skeletal level.
>>4499563
Kyle has ayy lmao tier cheek bones
Stan in cross eyed
Lines are shit but can be fixed by going over them with more confidence in a new layer
Decent overall just need more practice
>>4499386
Perspective is all over the place mainly because you focus too much in a specific area when drawing it, and ignore the surrounding shapes. Play more attention to the big shapes in the sketching phase. Squint your eyes and only observes the general shapes of the shoes and how they related to each other.
Details came out pretty nice.
>>4499361
Very nice
>>4499324
You got the shading on the hair pretty well on day 2. You need to add darker areas for a more 3 dimensional look. Watch Proko's hair tutorial.

>>4499920
what videos yo uwatch. books suck

>>4499878
guess ill try bridgman first

>>4499693
Slow down and try to take this a bit further

I saw this pic in another thread and I want to learn how can I map like this? the mapping is perfect, best way to learn how to map "hard" poses?

>>4499852
Why are you jealous of my gains stalkerfag?

Will you seethe when you realize this is a no ref?

More Loomis. face feels a bit flat. Could just be that I haven't added lights or anything though.

>>4499943
brigman

>>4499940
Just watched vilppu's manual ch. 1 (gesture) a bit, and it was more entertaining than the book. Dont know in what order I have to watch the vilppu guides.

>>4499954
learn anatomy

>>4499990
more like brigmanlet, am I right?

am i too shit to understand brickmans concepts yet

>>4500049
haha yeah. The chad Brigmanlet

>>4500052
The better you are, the better you understand it, you could probably bruteforce it, but I'm sure that would take a very long time.

>>4499262
From imagination

i think it is finished

>>4500068
then whats a book for beginer..

>>4500089

>>4500095
hmm, I intended to have them swinging, but I get your point. gotta visualize that better

>>4500089
>same fucking milf body type for every character
Boo get better material

>>4500092
L-loomis. I have no idea, something really simple, to get down the proportions.

>>4499873
>>4499868
>>4499826
Thanks anons it's clear now.

>>4500089
I wish I could draw clouds like that, damn Anon those are good!

>>4499262
hi

>>4500089
why is stuff like this allowed in the /beg/ thread

>>4500097
some ladez have diffrent cize bobys

>>4499472
Study human proportions.

>>4500089
Her torso looks off somehow, like its shown from two different angles at once.

>>4500125
because it is /beg/ level

>>4500137
no it isnt.

>>4500137
saying its /beg/ level just because there are some minor anatomical inconsistencies literally does nothing but shit on actual beginner artists

>>4500092
Check out the artbook thread. There's several links there

>>4500144
>>4500141
seem like I have skewed scale then.
it have passable anatomy, nice lighting and cute clouds but everything very awkward.
And I do not shit on anyone, I dont consider "actual" beginners somehow inferior, I just look at it in a wider perspective.

Why is fear of failure so hard?

Could use some advice, been stagnant for years sketching anime girls in the same pose but with the time off I have right now I’d like to get better.

>>4500189
Have no expectations of things ever going well ever.

That's when you can learn to draw.

>>4500199

>>4499679
/beg/ giving advice to another /beg/:The forehead in your pic is non-existent despite the fact that, in real life, the forehead makes up around 1/3 of the face. the eyes aren't meant to be so close the the 'edge' of the face and the lips look too 2D, rather than 3D

>>4500203
Drew this one while looking at some manga art on reddit. I think the title was Don’t bully me? I never read it but I enjoyed the original image.

>>4499704
do a different pose

>>4500189
Because you're expecting to create an art piece that can be appreciated.
But this is training mate, approach it as such, we're not yet publishing anything.
Though I sometimes do post my drawings. Use the fear of failure to properly analyze your mistakes as you go drawing, being self-conscious can be a strength.

>>4500171
pretentious idiotic babble

>>4500216
most likely. I was looked in to abyss and see things differently. Ban him from beg then. whatever

hit me

>>4500258

>>4500089
blood would make more sense tho

>>4500122
are they suppose to be orthographic?

>>4500199
>>4500203
>>4500209

Did you use any construction method? Because most features are misplaced.

I hate mouths and hands so much, any advice on how to mouth?

>>4500258
>no hands
>no feet
Disgusting.

>>4500313
I didn’t actually I just started drawing. I’ve never actually used the skeleton. Not really trained or read any books. I just started reading the sticky and was wondering if i should start at the beginning or I’d I could move on.

>>4500325
Symbol drawing.

>>4499863
Do drawing with the right side of the brain

>>4500299
qt

>>4500329
Not same guy; but I'd say it depends on what your goals are. If you just want to draw anime girls, I guess you could start by looking into gesture practice so that your drawings don't feel so stiff. You can also try feeling the form with Vilppu to give your drawings a less flat look.

What did Vilppu mean by this ?

i'd just like to say that /int/ posters are the most important part of /beg/
i kind of liked the idea of an intermediary thread, but i don't want feedback from peers of a similar level to me. (not that i hardly ever get feedback).
>>4500370
just have fun drawing a cube falling in space :) just do it. what, you can't feel an emotion on cue?

its been a while since i post here

Was working on this and I ran into the braids, rather than look at a tutorial I gave it a shot trying two different methods for each braid. The one on the right I tried just kind of copying what I saw on the reference. The one on the left was more an experimental attempt at constructing the braid by twining three separate tapes and then kind of imagining how they'd overlap if those tapes were more cylindrical.

>>4500370
He is trying to tell you to don't worry about the results. Unironically just be yourself and be confident. Things will sort themselves out eventually.

>>4500416
>Things will sort themselves out eventually.

how the fuck do I go from this to learn how to *actuallt* draw? I'm usually pretty happy with a drawing until like an hour after then I start hating looking at it, it's pretty demotivating

>>4500318

Tried gesture drawing using the "force" method. First time doing either. Feedback appreciated https://imgur.com/a/pZqwLLA

>>4500089
The feet neet to be planted on the ground more, she looks a little floaty. More ambient occlusion would help for one thing

>>4500081

Is creating YouTube videos an art? Anyway, let me know what you think? Is it funny, entertaining, would you like to see more videos like this?
https://youtu.be/ZJ0-XqaANSA

>>4499262
can you learn by literally just drawing from references? this is gonna sound really ignorant but I can't sit through the fundamentals and tutorials (Severe ADHD) but I love to just draw

Help me :(

>>4500517
no, now fuck off

>>4500520
fuck you autist

can i have some crit on that. ?

>>4500531
Only papa Nurgle can lead us to salvation

>>4500531
Values are a bit monotonous . Try increasing the brightness of the lighted sections.

>>4500517
Yes. The biggest part of drawing is internalizing an inherent understanding of how shapes work and by copying reference you are slowly but surely chiseling that understanding bit by bit into your mind. You need to learn it conciously many times before you can learn it sub-conciously.
>>4500520
Nigger.

>>4500537
so just keep practising? anything in particular I can practice on for quick gains?

>>4500534
haha, seriously tho i feel like i fucked up something and i can't see why
>>4500536
here's a version with more saturation

>>4500541
Trace photos and try to understand their structure as a 3d shape.

>>4500573
how dumb would I be to try drawing anime?

>>4499556
If they're from ref they're /beg/

>>4500575
Draw what you like.

>>4499926
Thanks b

>>4499335
literally just read loomis

is there anything that will tell me how to use my brain when approaching drawing. im constantly afraid i am not learning. like i legit dont know what kind of thought processes my brain should be doing besides what i "feel" is correct.

will i get banned for posting furry porn for critique through an imgur link?

>>4500636
no

>>4500543
The proportions and perspective look a bit warped in my eyes. Like some parts of the body look forward-facing while a part right next to it looks to be at a slight angle.
Compare stomach/breastplate and the jetpack thingy to shoulders for example. the gun arm lacks an elbow joint and it bothers me as it looks like a long noodle.

Aside from those little things I like it.

Ok, so this is my second attempt at drawing a trap/femboy. I tried to draw a anubis last week but something went wrong and it went full homo. I tried something softer this time, but dunno if it looks good. I went with some lazy coloring because I didn't wanted to go overboard adding details and making everything black and white like I usually do.

>>4500779
Anubis that I drew previously.

>>4500788
It is good but something about it is so stiff. Pun intended but also the body and face look like a 3d model or statue or something.

>>4500779
>>4500788
Lovely style. The body proportions are off though.

Anatomy looks decent? aside from huge eyes lul

Lookin nice. U use cell shading in some Areas and soft shading in others! Uniforming it would be nice especially on the dick to draw attention

sup gays. i bought clip studio and a pen and now im doing digital on my laptop. does this look stiff or off anywhere? Loomis?

how long until I feel the form Vilppu?
I've been watching the first chapter on loop.

>>4500819
do your lines faster and more confident.

>>4500443
don't just copy loomis' make your own blooks

>>4500920
I can't even make competent copies. I dread to imagine what something I made without reference would look like.

How do I stop doing chicken scratch?? I want to have more cleaner lineart

i should just give up

>>4500920
How is he supposed to make his own book when hes still a /beg/?

Yep boss just a sketch but like her breast on the left side off? Or just me?

>>4500920
>>4500967
An attempt was made.

Should I be starting at landscapes?
I want to aim for a painterly/concept style, but my shading and sense of values is messy, but I read I should be painting with large brushes and should start myself off using hard round only and 3 values.
Though I'm kinda skewed and confused however. Here's a small study I did.

>>4500938
Bruh just draw from reference you’ll learn structure naturally

>>4500964
>>4500964
surprisingly okay
study a bit more of [insert your favourite loomis replacement here] and then come back to redrawing this

her right hand is facing the camera more or less but it shouldn't be

her head seems loopsidedly put on her neck

there'd be many more muscles in the armpit of her left arm

her torso is a bit longer than it should be; remove one of those bumps (there should be about half that space between her pelvis and ribcage

don't give up yet, anon, you're outdrawing half or more of /beg/

>>4500981
You should forget shading and focus on getting the form and proportions right first.

>>4500986
thanks for the tips anon, i will try to take your advice
>our favourite loomis replacement
im too stupid to understand ANY of them, not even loomis..... but i will keep trying. ty

>>4500999
checked

also, try proko, he's basically loomis for retards

his bean & robo bean lessons are pretty useful for beginners

>>4500904
is so bad that doesnt deserve a serious reply

>>4500325
God asians are so ugly

>>4501017
damn that shit hurted

>>4500904
shouldn't have bought CSP anon, you can download it for free they won't be hurt

but other than that you're just chickenscratching like hell
it's not that bad, nothing jumps out as particularly horrible other than that lump next to her left knee

would fit into some mid tier webcomic alright

Is overhand grip a meme or is there something to it? Still learning fundamentals and will be drawing on a tablet once/if I stop being absolute trash.

>>4501041
you can't pull it off comfortably on a tablet if that's what matters to you

it works really good for traditional fine arts with large papers and canvasses though

Kinda got tired of drawing portraits, gonna try to add torsos to my portraits in my next one. In order to do this I need to get an intuitive understanding of proportions.

Here's my game plan:
Gonna start by doing some figures in mannequins forms try to get down proportions and perspective. maybe half a dozen pages of this.
The next dozen will add muscles and other features.
Lastly I'll work on one or two pages of rendered work.
Hopefully that's a good starting point just to get the ball rolling. I imagine shit will go awry with the renders and I'll go back to grinding things.

I should probably measure a bit more since I'm not doing that, but it is late in the day and I tend to get more reckless so whatever.

>>4501041
I use it all the time for everything, it's a great way to get light lines and draw large shapes.

just traced a shot from a movie. not sure exactly how this helps really but i think it's giving me a good feel for perspective and how everything aligns in space. can anyone attest to this or is there a better method for understanding these sorts of things?

>>4501035
ah well. l bought it on sale because it'd be a cheaper alternative to photoshop but whateva. Thanx anyway anon I will stop chickenscratching

>>4501050
fuck, forgot image.

>>4500904
Stop feathering and practice drawing single continuous lines. Try to see your drawing as a 3d object instead of a 2d one and you should naturally improve.

>>4501052
it's a good idea, but your perspective is wrong. try actually tracing the converging lines and try to find both vanishing points

>>4500537
>nigger
Watch your mouth broski

>>4500964
The hand doesn't seem like it's properly attached to her arm, and just painted over top of it. Maybe adding some depth to it would help that? Her eyes aren't sitting on their natural position on her head. The shading on her body's pretty alright.

>>4501060
so this was the original image that i traced from, can you sort of demonstrate how to properly display the converging lines. i would appreciate it.

>>4501079
quick and dirty example. the green line is roughly where the horizon is.

>>4501079
>>4501079
Your best bet at finding perspective is to find two lines you know must be parallel, when viewed orthographically, and finding the point of convergence.

Try following the top of the blind with the bottom of the windowsill.

You can also follow the bottom edge of the floor, that you're already following and the top of the white utility board. or use the base of the bed closest to yourself.

>>4501092
>>4501093
thanks for the help i'm going to try and apply it.

>>4500993
Alright, I'll try to focus on that a bit more
Do you want recommend? I've been mostly learning from michael hampton

>draw from imagination with no ref
>ignoring everything I've been practicing
>draw better than I do with loomis and shit
>know I'm never going to improve doing this
fuck, it feels like I'm taking ten steps back when I practice fundamentals and I always end up with utterly fucked proportions and faces, but even though I know they're not correct at all I feel like this looks better than I could achieve while implementing fundamentals. How do I make practicing without just bum rushing a mediocre end product more fun?

>>4501138
you're not supposed to autistically grind fundies like how ic teaches you

use them as learning tools

"huh i want to draw a room, let's learn some 1/2 point perspective, then draw a bit, see where i fucked up, go back to this fundie" and repeat

do what's fun but be smart about it

you don't want to be having ONLY fun like the autist over at >>4487460 is

but you don't want to be stuck in the endless rut of grinding boxes like 85% of ic

pretty confident with my sketches but fucking hell coloring eats away at my soul and it even makes the character look older

>>4501138
Flip your canvas when you're drawing. You'll notice your mistakes, including the ones in that drawing there.

>>4500977
Mistakes were made

>>4501146
So basically do a mixture of what I'm doing already? Still practice the basics but still do the stuff I enjoy and hope that helps me improve? I think anatomy is my weakest point right now, I've been drawing for a few years but just doing simple shit for /v/ threads and shit where I was looking at the character from the game on one screen and drawing him in a pose of my choosing on another, but it got me nowhere so I decided to actually learn instead of just smashing my head against a wall, picrel is from 2 or 3 years ago
>>4501158
I was doing this and I caught a few, but I just don't have the knowledge or skill yet to fix all of them without having them pointed out, I guess I'll get there at some point though

>>4501048
Why do you posting this on each /beg/ thread?

>>4501147
Wow first of all stop using that textured brush when u don't even know how to color. I think part of the problem is the lack of dark values. How are u supposed to define stuff like the nostril w/o darker values? And ur coloring doesn't even follow your sketch, look at the lips. Focus on values and shapes man, your sketch is really nice

>>4501169
> So basically do a mixture of what I'm doing already? Still practice the basics but still do the stuff I enjoy and hope that helps me improve? I think anatomy is my weakest point right now, I've been drawing for a few years but just doing simple shit for /v/ threads and shit where I was looking at the character from the game on one screen and drawing him in a pose of my choosing on another, but it got me nowhere so I decided to actually learn instead of just smashing my head against a wall, picrel is from 2 or 3 years ago

дa бpoтичкa пpocтaтaк

use the fundamentals as a repair tool
if you see something is not working, do some studies, but mix them up with independent work for yourself

you want to be moving forward and creating work you love, but fixing your mistakes, and fundies give you the toolkit to fix the mistakes but they won't create your drawings for you

when taking photos with a camera the horizon line is pretty much always the center of the picture?

>>4501184
no, but the eye level more or less is
take a photo of the sky and there's no horizon there for example

horizon line =/= eye line

I think I might be starting to understand gesture a little bit.

>>4501174
Thanks, I know where to start with now. I'll look into values and shapes before coming back into coloring

>>4501182
thanks, this advice has been really helpful, have a nice night, anon

LADS, why can't I invert something I selected via lasso? I press invert and nothing happens. I just want to copypaste an eye facing the other way

>>4501211
you're not hitting "invert selected area" are you? that just selects everything BUT the thing you circled

>>4501215
Yea that's exactly what I'm doing, and why the fuck does it do that reeeeee

>>4501221
it can be pretty useful, I like using it for coloring around eyes and shit, I just copy paste the thing I want copied and then flip it with the scale tool if I ever do that, I'm sure there's a faster way of doing it that I don;t use however

>>4501230
I am searching for something called "scale tool" I do not see it.
I know I should learn my program but every "tutorial" on youtube was a literal teenager or female stuttering over their asshole about nothing

>>4501243
https://youtu.be/Bi4jJnYLkUA it's transform and free transform

>>4500957
practice drawing with a pen on paper
no way to erase it
builds confidence, transfers easily to digital

>>4501253
i'm on clip studio paint tho

>>4501277
select > Edit > Transform > Flip Horizontal

>>4501281
ty ily, i have no art friends I only have /ic/

>>4501291
dw senpai we're all one big unhappy foster family

i suggest you remap Flip Horizontal to some easily accessible keyboard letter; i use H

you can do this using the Shortcut Settings (File > Shortcut Settings, or Ctrl+Alt+Shift+K) then navigating under Edit > Transform > Flip Horizontal

>>4499302
Based and Jim Lee-pilled

>>4500957
Single continuous lines only. ctrl z every time you make a fuckup and redo the line.

>>4499863
weird I seem to improve greatly after months long breaks

>>4501277
Whenever you have something targetted for scaling, uncheck the "keep aspect ratio" and change the mode to Free Transform

>>4501327
hey thanks a lot man

>>4500819
lookin good, although you're missing the traps, the hand could be a little bigger and that line beneath the left arm should not be visible

>>4500788
>>4500779
ribs are to high on first

Pecs> slightly visible rib cage> then the washboard abs realized

looking good

My 2nd digital piece, any critique welcome!

>>4500325
1.) Line quality. Your lineart is shit and wobbly. Learning how to make more confident lines will improve anyone's art by a shit ton.

2.) You're not noticing the details enough. I fall prey to this too. Notice how the hand in the original shows the bottom left curve into the thumb, while yours just goes straight off the page. Notice how in the photo, there's a small bump outwards on the right, while yours basically goes straight into the arm. Those two small things make it look fucked up.

3.) Drawing anime hair instead of the hair you see.

>>4501367
loomis

>>4501367
The shading on the girl's dress should just be thrown out. Focus on the lineart first and foremost. You shouldn't try and force folds in the clothing with colors cause it'll look unnatural.

What does /beg/ think of moatdd/Mark?

I love raccoons. They’re so cute! Wish I could draw them better.

>>4501419
only women like raccoons

>>4501425
You lie!

are there any good artists with bad handwriting. Are there any connections between bad handwriting and anything?

>>4501436
https://www.theguardian.com/careers/handwriting-analysis

>>4500517
Bro all the pro Jappaknese artists copied anime they liked as children just become a japaknees child and copy your favorite manga

Should I be proud of myself if I drew something with a reference? Because I think I did well but it's almost like cheating

what is the general progression of figure drawing books from beginner to advanced?

>>4500304
yes

>>4501525
There's no such thing as "cheating" in art. You can make whatever you want, however you want. If it doesn't turn out the way you hoped, learn from your mistakes and adapt.
Method is irrelevant as long as the result is something worth seeing.

>>4501147
What >>4501174 is quite true here I tried to do what he said to show you.

>>4501525
"No rules, just tools..." therefore cheating is impossible.

how do i evaluate a gesture? do i just evaluate it by looking at the reference and see if its conveying the same message of what the model is doing?

>>4501153
I really just wanted to draw the same modell a little bit, but I hope my limited input helps a little nonetheless.

I think your drawing is okay, but you lost some important qualities of the modell.
She has these really nice sharp features that seem like they could cut things like a knife, it's really what makes the image interesting and you flattened them out too much.
When placing the eyes think about the surrounding structure, otherwise you get the problem that they're floating around.
Thinking about the eye, the brow and where they meet the bridge of the nose as a single shape should be enough to get it in the right ballpark.

Any feedback? I didn't do Prokos hair and ear chapter completely yet.

>>4501768
You're jumping the gun, you're like someone who signs up for a gym membership and buys sport equipment before doing a single pushup/ situp, or going for a walk for that matter

>Stop trying to do construction
>bin proko
>pick up keys to drawing instead
Draw from life and reference, trying to apply what the book teaches
Focus should be on discovering different ways of seeing/ analyzing things and getting experience.

>>4500407
i'm getting uncanny vibes but i'm still too /beg/ to know exactly why. can you post the reference?
>>4500438
>>4500964
what are you drawing for? i mean really think about it.
>>4500517
interesting question. in my mind it's akin to playing an instrument and understanding music theory/being good at improvisation.
>>4500531
i like your subject matter. i find it too dark. also the green glowy parts look flat, the neighboring surfaces should see some green reflections/scattering
>>4501184
it depends on how the camera is positioned, some lenses fuck with perspective too (t/s, fisheye etc)
>>4501367
congrats on rendering/finishing it. the umbrella, face and parrot look a bit flat. her line of sight looks also a bit dubious

fuck, I spent too much time on this man. And the eyes look retarded too idk how to fix em

>>4501768
you're still seeing in 2d

>>4500098
Thank you for your valuable critique.

>>4501790
I dunno Anon, it looks cute

>>4501779
Thank you for the input! What is wrong with proko?

>>4501813
Nothings wrong with proko, except that it seems too early for.

>>4501816
what do i do if i absolutely despise drawing boxes and crappy attempts at drawing from real life, do i just suck it up or can i just try to draw figures til it loks good

>>4501816
>seems too early for.
Shit, was supposed to say too early for you.

>>4501768
forgot the ref

>>4501852
i'm calling the jannies

>>4501790
just keep working on it man this can be worked further.

>>4501818
Just read the goddamn book it isn't draw "250 boxes" or "just draw from life lol"
Like I said it's about discovering different ways of seeing/ analyzing things and getting experience.
It's not about telling you what you can or cannot draw either, you want to draw figures then draw figures.
A subject is often chosen for a reason though, only you don't have the experience to tell if it is or not, so you should humour the instructer/ book and draw what you want seperately.

how many boxes will i need to draw before i can perspective

Tried "force full" gesture drawing but it doesn't look right to me, any advice?

>>4502052
Part 2 of my gestures

bridgeman

>>4500578
Well at least we know you belong in this thread

>>4501044
Guess that’s what I mean. If I’m going to be primarily using a tablet is there any point to getting used to overhand

Tried the second exercise of the Keys to Drawing . I think I'll stick to IT .

>>4502052
I am confused Anon, I can't really find solid gesture lines there just round shapes with some vague limbs? I think you aimed for something like this maybe?

TASTE
THE
RAINBOW! How's this now? Now the left half can stand on its own as an illustration, but I still wanted to keep them together so I literally bridged them together

First time posting here, and I kinda just started doing digital art. Mostly I use watercolor before.

>>4500788
Your posts always remind me of my lack of talent like nobody else's

>>4502284
This is not /beg/, post in /draw/ and /alt/

>>4502279
Now even I am agree you over crowding this thing. and you broke clouds. Do something else you was staring at this thing for too long. And them maybe return to it.

>>4502272
Using construction is fine but here it seems that you had tunnel vision on some areas and drifted off which resulted in some weird proportions. It helps to use a super rough 10 seconds undersketch and eyeballing the proportions and then fixing stuff along the way. If it 'looks' right but technically isn't, then its fine.

>>4499302
This art is not /beg/ anon

>>4502185
I forgot to mention they were timed drawings (2min) so I didn't get to capture everything I wanted. That being said as you couldn't replicate figures relatively similar to what I was looking at besides the second one it seems I failed miserably.

I was trying to show "force" going through the body based off some video I saw from mattesi

>>4502298
Well I was trying to show as much of this world as I could in a single image, I thought it was fine as long as I kept a balance of color.
But yes I need to start something new

>>4502307
>This art is not /beg/ anon
Yeah, it isn't. It's made by a professional comic book artist named Jim Lee, who's one of the best ever:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtNjLkghoJQ

I posted it because I wanted to see what opinions people would have about it, after seeing in previous /beg/ threads some pretty good art being called trash. Some people say that the art I posted here is /int/ and others called it /beg/ (but was made by a super successful professional), so it confirms what I suspected: this website's advice and opinions are mostly terrible and I probably shouldn't come here.

what other books are there on clothing besides the one where the dude looks like a swastika because that isnt clicking with me

>>4502372
How did you come to that conclusion?
Looking only at the replies to >>4499302, 2 people said it's not /beg/ and 1 person said it is "begchad," which probably translates to high /beg/.
So 2 out of 3 anons correctly recognized it was good art, and 3 out 3 anons correctly recognized it was better than the average stuff posted here.
Regardless of whether "this website's advice and opinions are mostly terrible," this is not good evidence to support that argument.

>>4499262

>>4502372
are you salty author of muscular magician?

>>4502315
Don't worry about it Anon keep going at it!

>>4502372
I still don't think it's that great. Maybe it's just because the photo seems kind of low quality, idk. But there are many waaaaaay better Jim Lee pieces you could have posted, but that would have made the fact that it wasn't yours more obvious. You clearly intentionally chose a rougher/simpler piece to be more ambiguous.
Anyway everyone told you that they didn't think it was /beg/ so I don't know what you're so pissy about.

>>4502406
Look at this guy for example:

>>4499575
>very easy shit that pleases normies like yourself.

>>4502406
>this is not good evidence to support that argument.
Maybe I'm overreacting, but I think that people here are too negative on average, lots of crabs. I believe it's probably better to just draw by yourself, but to each their own

>>4502432
4499575 is a known troll and/or mentally ill tranny, all he does is shitpost, just ignore him.

drew some spacemans today

i reckon they look cool

im just copying pics from bridgman. what the fuck am i doing

>>4502434
Ok, I didn't know that. But still, would you trust this site as a way to figure out if you're getting good? Imagine that you work your ass off and you got as good as Jim Lee, and then you come in here and get these comments.

Even if the general consensus is /int/ and not /beg/ (ignoring the asshole outliers), I think it would be very demoralizing because I honestly don't think you can climb much higher than Jim has.

>>4502459
Is an copying a tracing?

>>4502496
i mostly refer and sometimes trace to just to see

new thread
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>>4502533
>>4502533
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>>4502483
You intentionally posted a low res photo of a weaker Jim Lee piece so people wouldn't scrutinize your post as much. If you had posted something like pic related then no one would have believed it was your work in the first place, they would have just asked why you were posting some pro's art.
The specific advice given out by this board on how to improve is shitty and contradictory, but one thing I CAN rely on this board for is honest feedback about whether a piece is good or not. Anyone can tell you whether a drawing is good or bad, even non-artists, although not everyone will be able to tell you how to fix it. The biggest barrier to getting unbiased feedback from people is that they don't want to hurt your feelings. That hangup doesn't exist on /ic/, and for that reason I'm glad that a forum like this exists.

>>4502538
>one thing I CAN rely on this board for is honest feedback about whether a piece is good or not.
That's what I'm questioning. I agree that there's no danger of people here being too nice (lol), but assholes are just as damaging.

>You intentionally posted a low res photo of a weaker Jim Lee piece so people wouldn't scrutinize your post as much
I posted a screencap from Youtube so reverse image search wouldn't work. But it still is way too good to be called intermediate like anons here said.

I was told to post this here. Any comments appreciated. (esp of you tell me what sucks the most!)

>>4502719
Pose, values: noice
Brushwork, rendering: wtf is this mess at least erase your edits properly around the figure. Either make the choice to fully with line art or hide/erase the sketch lines. Maybe start studying with a less transparent brush to get some control, you're not Christopher Cant (yet)

>>4502432
Normie.

>>4501765
That’s awesome, thank you so much

>>4502747
Thank you for your time! I'll make sure to keep this in mind in the future!

>>4501788
>what are you drawing for? i mean really think about it.
it is an outlet for my relentless hoarny-ness

>>4502719
Are you using a reference? The neck looks off, like it's too long and the muscles that otherwise would be showing in that sorta pose simply aren't.

Drew this picture of spawn when he was released in MK11

Don't normally do digital art like this so I'd be interested if anyone has any notes.

Feel like something is off about the colors maybe too dark but it is spawn I guess

I was told to go here.

How's my work /beg/?

I just started drawing 3 days ago. I'm not really sure how to improve aside from drawing every day. Here's my work so far: https://twitter.com/thedailyyuno

throw your rocks at my rocks

>>4499704
but where's the soul?