/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Have you gamers, been working on your empty mileage today?

>>4495813
>assuming my mileage is empty just because yours is
Your dunning is showing again.

Are these threads worth posting to or should I stick with alternative art stylization general?

>>4495869
no they're not cause you gotta post alongside that retard

>>4495852
I can't wait to see these copies bro. lol

>>4495869
You only come to /asg/ for the broken toys.

Friendly reminder you should starve the retards from (You)s

>>4495911
You

>>4495911
you

>>4495911
(You)

>broken toys
What did he mean by that?

Based grey sketch-kun killing of his future competition

>>4496062
It's a pure hopeful thought of mine, but sometimes I hope I can get good, just to prove that mindlessly doodling is all that you need, and thinking really hard analyzing shit like scientists is pointless. Intuition being all you need.

>>4496121
I agree with you on the intuition over analysis thing but I also don't think that what you're doing is the best way to build up intuition. Just doing the same thing over and over again won't help you progress, you have to do SOME amount of thinking and reflection to identify and fix your mistakes and push beyond your comfort zone.
Not sure why I'm seriously engaging with you though, you're either mentally ill and/or a troll and you'll never change the way you draw.

>>4496121
It works, but only if you have talent, which you don't.

>>4496121
>mindlessly doodling is all that you need
oof
https://www.artstation.com/santalahti

>>4496136
That has got to be some sort of art performance.

>>4496136
When will anons learn from other's mistakes?

>>4496126
That's right, I'm doing the same thing, I'm not looking for a new skill to improve, I'm seeing how far I can perfect this skill first, and not being adhd retard, that needs to make pictures to feel like they're moving forward.

>>4496127
I have absolutely no goals, and nothing stopping me from drawing.

>>4496136
This guy ignored fundies, and obviously has nigger IQ.

>>4496194
>This guy ignored fundies,
So basically you

>>4496194
>obviously has nigger IQ.
So basically you

>>4496212
>coping this hard

>>4496194
Hello, I am an anon that did the same thing as you for a time. You'll get gains, but not as much as if you studied specifically. Have a nice day. It's funny how you make most Anons upset.

>>4496194
>This guy ignored fundies
This

Never forget

>>4496232
Pyw or I can't take you seriously.

>>4496242
Don't show me this shit, yikes.

>>4496254
Absolute and utter shit that thing on the right is. Belly button too high, lack of interesting shapes and interesting lineweight, too stiff and boring with way too many lines on the hair. Monkey face. Not even looking at the viewer and couldn't even be bothered to properly draw her wing and choker.

>>4496242
Good to see that my picture is still going around. At least it gets posted by other people unlike my art

>>4496269
compared to nip work yeah, compared to ic/ is better than 80% i would say, and prob 90% better than /asg/ works

>>4496242
And yet still draws better than you

>>4496242
This makes me depressed

>>4496274
maybe because you never post any you retard

>>4496242
eh, not as bad as proko's lobster. you have to specifically practice drawing from imagination

>>4496242
I do like those house paintings though. He could've focused on that.

>>4496286
it's because those forms are easier to portray convincingly, so you can kind of fudge your way through it. if you look closely there are weird perspective errors. i u]dunno what that anon's issue is, but gernerally if someoenne makes very little progress for a long time like that it's because they have the mindset that if they simply draw more, they will improve. you have to specifically look for issues with what you draw (in regards to what you want it to look like), and course correct on a drawing-by-drawing level

>>4496266
I don't understand why you literally spam every one of your doodles that's nothing but a torso in a random pose.

>>4496299
>Post all of your anime studies. Post even when you’re told not to. Create an art community that actually draws and improves together instead of just talking about it.

>>4496308
Soo, what anime you study? I don't remember any title that had nothing but floating dismembered torsos

>>4496325
I use yoh yoshinari, gayarou, tsugumomo, among others to study.

And they very much have to do with floating torsos, everyone draws their torsos differently and I'm finding out how they work.,

new
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYKGskoLX1g

The artist lifecycle:
Stage 1: realising that you are shit at art and working to improve
Stage 2: thinking that you are the best because you dabbed on a bunch of /beg/fags who are younger than you are
Stage 3: realising that you will never beat the best artists because you wasted all your years dabbing on /beg/fags. Instead of improving and considering adults as your rivals, you compared yourself to a kindergartener and are paying the price.

>>4495813
Nah, I've been drawing torsos with bad anatomy and unfinished faces from memory for months, someday this will teach me how to draw, hopefully.

Drew a chunky.

>>4496442
wtf this is literally me

>>4496308
I wouldn't call this a study when it's clearly something you can do in less than a minute.

>>4496445
Yeah and I fucked up. Because I never studied rendering properly. I fucked up because I never studied clothing folds properly because naked people aren't the only thing anyone draws. I fucked up because I was extremely bad at architecture and can't draw mechanicals. I fucked up because you need to learn at least two 3D programs. I lack good perspective.

>>4496275
Nah many people here are much better than this, I'd say he's worse than 80% of this board.

>>4494814

there are so many problems but her lower body is a mess the pelvis and legs have no form and is hard to tell what is going on, is her back arched and how huch is turning her hips towars the viewer, and the abs need some work they look painte over.

>>4496458
I'm letting my brain do the studying, I don't need to think too hard about it.

>>4496467
This

>>4496467
not a single work better than that has been posted in here for the last what week or month, so you are wrong and the only works better than his only account for less than 20% in this board and this is being generous becaues is far less. but you are just mad tho.

>>4496495
The guy who did that redline didn't even post his "work", he just inked over a sketch someone else did, so i don't know why people are arguing over how good his "work" is. Afaik that guy hasn't posted his work.

>>4496495
You’re just being delusional.

>>4496497
>he just inked over a sketch someone else did
i will give you that, but the sketch was rough as hell and his interpretation was better than 90% of works that gets posted here im not saying the guy is ''good'' but definitely better than your average asg/ poster but you guys are memeing and some people genuinely think he's bad which is rich coming from here.

>>4496495
>/beg/ tier noob thinking he's better than other people

lmaoo

@4496476
>that fucking crab claw
That explains everything

>>4496508
>>4496515
>buzzwords cuz they have no arguments

your average low iq crab

>>4496533
>>4459197

>>4496533

>>4460263
>>4461835
>>4464769
>>4466280
>>4466837
>>4466889
>>4468109
>>4468272
>>4468516
>>4468547
>>4468562
>>4468840

All 1000x better than you'll ever be, which is a shame because, having so many good artists, we could build a community to help each other out, but intead we have this autismo kid spamming his 1min doodles thinking he's hot shit.

Thanks to the Anons who helped me in the last thread.
I REALLY tried to implement what you said but I think some things are too much for my current level
People are finding her face very unpleasant, can I have a hand to try to make it better and closer to the image on the right?

>>4496620
Come on, you don't need to be kind, there's only 2 good artists here.

>>4496620
>>4464769 this the only one that is way better than his the other ones are just copies with not refs so you can't say how much it was referenced unlike that anon interpretation, the rest are doodles with less than half of the details so yeah 1 guy out of what 20 or 30 regular posters? yeah somehow that makes him the worst right. more like you guys just envy him.

>>4496692
you can have a redline for that pic but trust me that won't help you at all to draw better heads.

>>4496442
What happens if I permanently loop in stage 1?

>>4496697
You're honestly not wrong about these people. They aren't good artists especially anime artists, but you're probably some of the worst I have seen in the time I've browsed these threads for months. And copying or referencing isn't going to change that

you'll see, grayfag will one day come here and dab on everybody with the best fucking anime picture ever made in these threads.

>>4496720
Those are no refs, I'm busy making it here.

>>4495443
It's so good...

>>4496730
I'm not saying you do, maybe I worded it wrong but you have a condescending attitude towards people copying, using a reference and should just study from loomis or whatever. But the thing is, your sketches even if it is from imagination, is just pretty bad -- often worse than the people you're criticizing. And regardless of the method you use, I think there are artists that post in /asg/ that are far better than you are. It's that same negative attitude similar to yours that always clouds this board where you talk big game and you think you're better than other people and the way you learn is better than some others, but you have little to show for it.

>>4495807
>>4494451
bros?

I drew Sakuya

>>4496788
?????-sama what

>>4496795
Batora

>>4496775
Bro, you're hiding behind anonymity, pyw and show me you have a clue about what you're saying.

>>4496799
are you the guys who drew once that girl with a katana going through her body ?
the arm is kinda small and the middle finger looks like cut out paper totally in a different angle from the rest and that's a dumb way to hold a knife with the edge on your fingers, her front hair is in a complete different angle from her face the neck could be smaller but that's mostly a stylistic choice, the colors are good, that shadow across her heads makes no sense with the lighting source nor does the shape unless there was a stablished form for the object that is causing it.

>>4496345
this is so cool

>>4496828
I dont think i did

>>4496620
yay finally someone noticed me, im so happy right now, probably gonna cry soon
>>4496703
>the other ones are just copies
not mine

>>4496345
i tried his method for the face

>>4496914
Good practice, even if /asg/ disagrees.

>>4496928
I wouldn't recommend using that video. The video is like when an artist that already knows how to draw, doesn't know how he can draw and just makes a tutorial for the likes.

i finished my sketch from last thread :^)))

>>4496345
NO STOP. YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO USE MULTIPLE SHORT STROKES FOR A SINGLE LINE. THAT'S ILLEGAL.

>>4496946
Stop gtrying to give advice and shut the fuck up you fucking failure. You cant draw and those pieces of shut you post are unfinished abominations. A blind nigger could do better. Please kill yourself the next time you think about attempting to advise anyone.

>>4496979

>>4497001
loomis

>>4495807
any good guides on backgrounds?

>>4497036

>>4496692
I tried to fix it but that's it, I won't touch this shit anymore
I was really frustrated with the face, it took me longer than the whole body
a nice anon posted this link last thread
https://mega.nz/folder/w45RWIxC#pmIbSEHn-s_4INZBYCg4ng

I will try to copy as many of them as I can by applying construction or simply eyeballing it. Fuck, I have difficulty in many things but faces are by far the worst for me

>>4497090
Who's this kino?

>>4496985
I expected nothing from drawing, and got so much more.

>>4497105
>I have difficulty in many things but faces are by far the worst for me
bro your body is just as bad if not worse than your faces

>>4497090
hampton

>>4497122
let me see a full body drawing of you, maybe you can teach me one thing or another

>>4496442
>realising that you will never beat the best artists because you wasted all your years dabbing on /beg/fags.

This makes me sad, because this is anime study thread, and I felt this is misplaced priority. That's not to say you should compare yourself to others, but I thought people wanted to study it because they like the aesthetic because of the narrative medium, and have some sort of ambition to make narrative art themselves. Not to exclude fundies, but I thought since this is the case, one should be able to be tailor their approach to their learning. "I want to draw a story involving my characters, so I'll learn how to draw figures, I wanted show them in certain place, so I will learn backgrounds" etc. Your goal should drive you, and that's generally a story you want to tell.

>>4496780
doesn't matter, start drawing, post results. why do you want to draw?

>>4497126
lol

>>4497122
redline it, crab.

This kid is a conspiracy to make asg not worth posting to. All part of my grand plan to restore /alt/ as the greatest general on /ic/.

>>4497179
>why do you want to draw?
I want to draw cute girls...

>>4497108
Hey can you use a tripcode or make your own threads so we can filter you out? :) Thanks!

>>4497001
>hey check out how hard can I pee

>>4497258
>he doesn't delete cookies

>>4496928
what is his method? is there any video where he show with more details?

Guys I can't memorize the subtle curves of anime eyes from memory. No tutorial I've tried is working. REIQS Methos misses the oter corner and pin 2d's just covers 1 style....
HELP REEEEEEE

>>4497276
It's just the way he build the head, i don't know if it come from a book or something though

>>4497283
just draw an ellipse on the circle of the eyeball lmao

>>4497312
please elaborate anon. This is killing me.

>>4497283
Continued...So What methods do you guys use to break down the curves of the eye?

This is really really hard for me.

>>4497343
just draw, you dork

>>4497343
just start from a human eye ?

>>4497350
Already tried. it was shit.

>>4497355
Keep doing it.

>>4497360
I know einstein didn't actually said this but whatever.

>>4497355
Post results.

>>4497240
well what are you waiting for?

>>4497364
Do it but try to do it better each time. Nobody gets it right on the first time. You just sound lazy. There are no shortcuts.

>>4497364
>>4497352

>>4497364
tfw this is what i do constantly because i never learn

>>4497364
if at first you don't succeed, never try again.

>>4497283
brainlet

>>4497379
I'd still be shitting in my pants.....oh wait.

>>4497371
>Post results. Yeah, I will just as soon as I get to my tablet. Wait a second.
>>4497372
You sound like you are projecting.

I mean I'm having issues understanding eye curves, "just draw" is worthless advice without theory to actually practice it which is why I asked help.

>>4497371
aerith?

>>4497352
Loomis and stupid fundies

>>4497371
Post results. Yeah, I will just as soon as I get to my tablet. Wait a second.
>>4497372
You sound like you are projecting.

I DID try a ALOT and got stuck.

I mean I'm having issues understanding eye curves, "just draw" is worthless advice without theory to actually practice it which is why I asked help.

>>4497395
OKAY nigger post whatever eye you are trying to study/emulater

am i doing this shit right?

>>4497395
Use pen and paper you absolutely brainlet.

>>4497408
Learn what a skeleton actually looks like and how to simplify it instead of guessing

>>4497316
eyelids are straight lines on the surface of a sphere
if you're struggling with eyelids you're probably struggling with putting circles into perspective and using ellipses in general.

>>4497390
Kinda, she's been on mind a lot recently, but I don't have a PS4 so I can't play.

>>4497395
Well, I was gonna say use pen and paper, but you don't even need to do that, you said you tried, that mean there were result of that attempts, maybe?

>>4497408
Nope. Large shapes first bud.

>>4497419
oh no I get the sphere part, In fact I'm also practcing cilinders at, what I struggle most the curve of the top eyelid.

>>4497395
>>4497399

Ok here its. And to the surprise of no one my eyes are shit.

I'm studiying the date naoto chart btw that I put there.

>>4497470
>he actually posted his work
lmao i gonna try to give you some help/redline if nobody does

>>4497483

Of course! I always post my work because I admit I'm shit.

I never post it to brag because I know I will lose.

>>4497492
>>4497470

The first one is me tryng to use the reiq method and the second is the pin2d method.

I hope the sphere sktch is vissible because I do start with that 3d shape.

>>4497470
loomis

>>4497481
loomis

>>4497515
needs more loomis

>>4497515
https://youtu.be/3ugoyvu1v5E
https://youtu.be/x8nAraIBXRM
https://youtu.be/cYv9MlAjA1g
I find this channel helpful for some stuff, since they have professional artists come on and explain shit. Turn on captions.

is it wrong to post commission wips here? Like morally, I wouldn't mention that it's a commission

studying painting, anatomy and anime everydaaaaaaay, after some time I'll switch from anatomy to portraiture

>>4497470
Ah... I've got my wires crossed, I thought you were the guy who responded to me and said he "wanted to draw cute girls" for some reason.

I am not entirely sure what you meant by subtle curves on the eyes, generally its just a rough inference based on the eye's design based on how it adhares to the surfaces of theoretical eyeballs and the way eyelid would curved across at a 2 quarter view. How it might work is art style dependent and the inference might break down at some point as well because in some style the size of the eye ball is bigger then what can conceivably fit into the skull for example.

I am not sure what you think its wrong with your attempt at the moment, they just looks unfinished to me.

>>4497433
I forgot your blog but I’ve always admired your work, what drawing resources did you use to get to your level and how did you study them? Sorry for the retarded question.

>>4496962
very nice, keep it up

Something is off with cloth/posture, should i start over ?

>>4497593
forgot the picture

Any advice to general advice to improve the body? I've been having a hard time knowing how to thin the waist and I end up doing that steep back curve which looks wrong no matter what I try

>>4497105
The main issue I'm seeing with your face is... that's all there is. She doesn't seem to have the back of her head or a jaw, she just has the front of her head i.e her face. It's kind of jarring to have such a 2D face with a 3D body. Most if not all of the anime faces you look at will show the depth of the head in some way.
I've drawn something to show what I mean, but bear in mind I'm not too confident at drawing faces myself. I find drawing a box first for the head helps, not only with representing the cranium but also with positioning/tilting the head (it looks like from your drawing you not only want her head to be resting on the ground, but also slightly turned towards the camera).
I'll post a couple of better tutorials in a minute. Keep trying to draw complex angles and shit you're not 100% sure of, it'll help you stay out of the comfort zone.

>>4497105
>>4497605

>>4497105
>>4497613

>>4496474
Thanks. I always have a hard time drawing in that position.

1/2

2/2

>>4497603
Think I fixed it a little
I tend to put the top half really leaned back since I started doing the gesture line thing at the start and then I just draw the whole body aligned wrong

>>4497563
doujin study too

Any criticism or advice?
Personally I'm not sure if the contact between the skin of the two is correct, also the line is a mess.

>>4497848
IMO lacks energy, for example the curves on the body of the girl on front, try accentuating her pelvis, make her waist more pronounced. I like the face of the girl behind, but I'd say try different eyes for the girl in front.

All in all, nice job, don't be discouraged.

>>4497855
Thank you, i think i will exaggerate a bit more the lower part of the body, also for the girl on the front i tried some kind of "fishine" eyes. What do you mean by "accentuating her pelvis" tho?

>>4497861
for eyes, look for characters you like and try emulating those eyes until you get them in your memory.

accentuating the pelvis... it's because she looks kinda blocky, try making her more curvy, look for reference.

>>4497605
good reply, thanks lad, saved it

I used to make the sphere with the two ovals on the side, like pic related but that didn’t help me a lot with the jaw/chin, especially from below.
I'll try to use the box too in the exercises I'm doing, thanks

Where should I go to learn construction if I only want to learn anime style?

>>4497865
I see, thank you.

>>4497877
pin2d

You know you made it when you get a boner from drawing.

>>4497892
show us

>>4497892
I'll be the judge on if you've made it or not.

watashi wa roomis dessu

>>4497892
you've made it when you can give other people boners

>>4497899
>>4497920
That's why I know I haven't made it yet.

>>4497576
Nah I am not him. Thank you anon
>>4497543

Thank you anon, Just what i neeed.

>>4496692
You are placing her features too fat apart. Since we are looking at her from a low angle her facial features will "compress" together

>>4497899
The boner or the drawing?

>>4498042
both

>>4497371
>well what are you waiting for?
I'm too depressed to draw and I always give up fast.

>>4497371
Man i wish I can draw on paper. Drawing things infront of other stuff on paper intimidates me a lot, especially with hands since I havent gotten them down pack yet

>>4497548
no

anime green eggs and ham

for a class assignment

>>4497613
Is there more to this one by doxxy?

>>4498160
loomis

>>4498223
Who wants to bet loomis guy is mikufag

>>4498160
I think it's cute but won't your teacher hate it

how to practice with photo refs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXiVGsRa4Sw

>>4498181
gmi anon :D

Random sketch in bed. Its ony about 2"x2" despite imgae size. Found it hard getting detail/decent lines with 2mm lead holder at this size.

>>4498262
loomis

>>4498321
This, but unironically.

>>4498321
Pyw

>>4498325
Ever read a book called Fun with a Pencil? yeah, that's me.

>>4497433
Curious. How long have you been drawing for?

>>4498344

>>4497515
well i just saw those links but didnt finish any of them just jumped every min and non of them seems to explain the 3D anime shit so heres how you should study, first this is based on space jin style, so depending on what you are studying it may be different but not the fundamental break down, you must know every line and why they are there so you will have to make a ref sheet of every angle possible to form a 3D model the rest is just to put it togtheter and get the same results(as close as you can) as the og artist.

>>4498181
that hatching is disgusting. you completely kill the shape making everything flat because it's not consistent at all with lighting or plane changes. especially cross-hatching on women is bad and makes them look hairy. don't do that. use lighter lines to show the form/plane changes. there's mixed hatching all over the place with no rhyme or reason. if you're going to, then stick to parallel hatches.

>>4498369

I don't need your advice, I'm talented.

>>4497578
It depends on what you want to draw, to be honest, I accumulated resources because I wanted to learn how to draw specific things, or how to approach drawing certain subjects. Although consider where we are I assume you mean drawing figures, I think in general a lot of anatomy book are quite adequate when they represent the topic, although if you have some familiarity with surface anatomy and some experience drawing figures, I can also recommend the anatomy collection from ImagineFX, Their "industrial design" approach to constructing figures I found quite useful and is generally how I approach drawing figures.

>>4498338
over 25 years, but I am an oldfart who has been stagnant for years because all I wanted to draw is my waifu, or comics about losers getting magical girlfriends.

>>4498152
That's unfortunate, drawing cute girls often cheers me up, especially when I draw them naked. I also draw them saying that they loves me and will always be there for me, but then I felt like dying, but hey, it felt good for a minute.

>>4498154
Why do you have to draw in-front of other people when you are on paper?

>>4498345
Dude I admit I'm shit at it and asked for help

What more do you want from me? Should I tatto loomis's blooks in my arms?

>>4498376
>the absolute state of /ic/

>>4498380
Wow you're good for a tradfag

>>4498344
cute, gmi, based, redpilled, blog

>>4498376
Ok so I call my self a no talent that draws shit and I get called arrogant and lazy.

And this guy gets a pass and even calls himself talented? wtf?

>>4498376
based
>>4498395
cringe

>>4498395
That's because you can't match me in skill.

>>4498360
Based anon. Thank you I also have saved the other drawing you did and your breakdown seems to make more sense to me than anyone I've seen.

My only complant is that I would like a little more becuase i'm retared. but I do apreciate it. Thank you

>>4498396
>>4498399
Samefag

>>4498376
again, would be 10 times better without hatches but stay cringe

>>4498380
what are some of the industrial design types of tips, like volumes and flowing shapes?

>>4498376
is this pic you anon?

>>4498360
I got a question.

So what you are saying that the correct method is first drawing a sphere and then analyze each curve of the eye in 3d space?

Am I getting this correctly?

I admtt I'm retarded on drawing so that's why i ask.

>>4498380
Great stuff, gonna pick up a copy for myself asap!

>>4498376
That looks so labored, do some gestures

>>4498409
the hatching looks fine retard, you're really grasping

>>4498399
Neither of these fags, you're good but it would be an awful shame if someone went ahead and asked you to post a completed piece of work fully rendered and colored but I don't think someone's going to go out their way and burst your bubble I just can't imagine someone could be so wicked as to go ahead and cockblock them like that.

>>4498376
This looks like shit.

Do I have to do "memory drawing"? How much faster is that versus just copying?

>>4498380
Thank you for your honest answer.

>>4498430
You are supposed to do both silly

>>4498360
I admit this confuses me a bit because of the hitkaku book breaks down the eyes in a flat way.

I am not saying you are wrong. ON THE CONTRARY. Yours looks amazing... but I'm just shwing you why I'm confused as hell.

I wish there was a book that explained your methods.

>>4498380
Not any of the anons you responded to but i legit can't wait to draw like that. Your pictures get me freaking hyped to draw.
You got a blog?

>>4498360
i genuinely can't understand what half of this image is trying to convey

>>4498440
Yeah, neither can I... which is frustrating because I know he is right.

>>4498440
Everything in that pic can be explained in greater detail from fun with a pencil. I'm not joking.

>>4498430
>Do I have to do "memory drawing"?
For what?
To draw what you want?
Pass /ic/s GMI test?
Draw idolshit fan art?
Do generic screenshot copies?
Make your own epic original web manga?
To shit post on /asg/?
The answer is yes.

>>4498444
What page anon? I would unironically revisit that book just for that.

Loomis didn't explain that much about eyes and his nose explanation is literally just a single page

>>4498444
Are you memeing? I just opened fun with pencil and I see nothing about eyes.

>>4498426
I don't have anything finished you're right. To me polished work isnt a priority.

>>4498454
>fear of turd polishing
and this is why you will remain shit.

>>4498445
yes sir

>>4498444
>>4498449
cont...

In fact I think this as detailed as Loomis went with eyes:

>>4498462
That's the page I was referring to along with the first page which he talks about basic forms.

>>4498469

Well.. that's not fun with pencil anon that's from drawing the head and hands.


It's good don't get me wrong but my complainbt is that it's not very indepth. That's literally all he explains about eyes besides a brief mention in figure drawing for all it's worth.

>>4498437
hitokaku poster here. not true, don't slander hitokaku. the page you posted is merely the first step. keep reading

>>4498482
Uhm anon I admire you for being the GMI anon... but that's still flat as fuck

>>4498486
well i made my case, the evidence is on display. make of it what you wish

>>4498486
But you have to remember they want to draw authentic manga and because it is written in moon runes it has to be the real deal.

>>4498181
Copying my work, ngmi. >>4496445

>4498492
Looks like you're starting to pick up Brain's autism now.

Head, rib cage, upper arm and breast construction using Pin2d methods, Im still shit with proportions.

>>4498490
>>Hitokaku's Tutorial still flat
>>Sees the GMI anon endorses it

Ok ordinarily I would argue the page you posted t's sill flat because he is using a square an triangles to represent a sphere... but given it's you an artist I admire endorsing it....

I guess the only logical explantion is that i'm retarded.

>>4498437
>>4498482

how effective is this book if I don't know moonrunes?
I tried to use that translator site but most of the time it doesn't recognize the text or gives me something nonsense

>>4498505
Yes you are absolutely retarded because you are a fanboy being conflicted right now as to whether or not continue sucking dick or become enlightened.

I always tend to have a problem drawing necks, and the problem seems worse when i flip the image because it looks too unbalanced to one side

I think i don't know how to connect the head from its torso without shoving down a cylinder.

>>4498509
Find the center mass of the head first and draw the neck according to its perspective while keeping in mind the forms which originate from underneath the ears.

>>4498492
you're delusional

>>4498506
>how effective is this book if I don't know moonrunes?
don't worry about the words, retard. copy the drawings and learn from them. try things before asking the most retarded questions.

>>4498509
jesus mary and joseph you people are retarded

does this count as anime or no?
How'd i go about improving.

did this from imagination for fun using an ink brush, also blending in one pass

>>4498519
unironically take your meds schizo

>>4498524
Cute moustache

>>4498506
>>4498506
well the GMI anon had huge gains with it... but I'm personally finding huge omissions of information.

Say his figure drawing books is more a perspective book so in that sense is great. But it doesn't teach how to actually draw legs or arms... so had to use Loomis and Walt Reed to fill the gaps.

and his clothing book has some great tips, but it doesn't classify the 7 types of folds so it's a bt of a mess.


His books have a lot of gold in knowledge, but they have some huge glaring omissions as well that make them annoying to study.

>>4498524
Keep drawing from imagination while refining your knowledge taken from real world observation such as drawing from the model, and going back to drawing from imagination in order to exercise what you've learned from life drawing and learn if you want to be better than these helpless idiots.

>>4498508
You got a point. Ok I will try some loomis and take the advice of the anon with the cool eye tutorial and comeback.

>>4498519
alright seanigger, show me what you learned just by copying a book in japanese

>>4498531
Yeah... drawing from imagination now I see that some things were really blurry in my mind.

I don't even think that I should draw "more" from imagination, just that I should test my knowledge after doing studies, meaning memory drawing after a study from an artist I like to see if some concepts are solid in my mind.

Just copying helps, but I guess there's a way to make the knowledge stick better after copying.

>>4498533
Listen real closely, conform forms to the ellipse of the head which you used as part of your construction. The key is having an innate ability to persuade the eye with the illusion of space by foreshortening especially when it comes to ellipses for the eyes. Look into perspective made easy by ernest norling and study mechanical perspective if you want to have the ability to create the illusion of space. The more knowledge you have of mechanical perspective the more you will be able to solve the problem of dimensions.
>>4498543
Develop an approach for the figure by simplifying all forms such as box forms and cylindrical forms and spherical forms and refine these forms with the knowledge of anatomy in order to give it a more organic look and using the mechanics of perspective by overlapping forms on top of one another according to their proportion and origins from muscles.

>>4498555
I suck at visualizing in 3d and I am drawing the yes too flat like stickers. Got it.

Ok thanks anon, I will give it a shot.

>>4497597

>>4498514
>adds some normie eye candy to my drawing
>wtf it's not a copy

This is why this general is busy figuring out how to draw eyes.

>>4498555
I realize this now, when I'm studying a figure or another drawing I always do construction just like I learned with Vilppu/Hampton, but drawing from imagination I didn't lmao.

I think I get now why Proko could draw his entire life, but draw that fetus when trying to draw that kangaroo. It's like you're using different neural paths. If you don't ever exercise this, you'll never get good at it.

Like how you could study a language for 10 years, but if you never practice speaking it with other people, when you first try it out you'll be stumped hard.

>>4498530
unironically this
I have my doubts if Hitokaku and Atelier were his main sources of gains for figure drawing

>>4498577
Yeah I also have my doubts on him. He shills hitokaku, but he has skills hitokaku doens't teach

I'm having much more gains from walt reed tha hitokaku.

Remember to eat your Roomis to become empic anemay drawer eyecee

>>4498569
but vesves, you can't draw.

>>4498505
it doesn't look like you're trolling so i'll try to demonstrate how he's using squares and triangles to represent depth. sorry if pic related isn't very clear
>>4498491
the writing has nothing to do with it. just look at the pictures. hitokaku is ugly as sin anyway, and looks nothing like "authentic manga". that's one of it's strengths
>>4498506
you don't need to read any of it, just need enough basic perspective knowledge to decipher the drawings
>>4498568
calligraphy anon do you have blog?

>>4498577


Yeah I also have my doubts on him. He shills hitokaku, but he has skills hitokaku doesn't teach. He also shills the Scott eaton course but that's just a more complex proko anatomy course


I'm personally having much more gains from Walt reed aka the famous artist course over everything, even loomis, or the king of flatness hitokaku because he actually explains the figure in detail in 3d.

>>4498589
Not trolling. I am genuinely retarded and untalented... so I do apreciate you explaining this because it's hard for me,

Thank you, unironically.

>>4498590
there's not a single course that'll teach you everything

>>4498571
>Someone's actually getting it
Fucking finally. I'll let you in on a little secret, there used to be something called the Shrimp method back when /ic/ wasn't filled with absolute retards which was an exercise that invited you to draw a shrimp from imagination, and then find a reference of a real shrimp, study it and redraw it using the image as reference and redraw the shrimp from imagination again to exercise the learned information using the same basic form principles and compare as you go in between. You might find something form the archives.

>>4495807
>tfw clip studio crashes before finshing my artwork
>mfw I didn't saved it

>>4498596
>>https://i.4cdn.org/ic/1585906592084.jpg

Yeah, thanks anon, I'll use this when studying from now on.

>>4498606
Maybe it would be a good idea to put the shrimp method on the list of essential reads from /asg/?

>>4498594
Good point. Still I think this books is super underated and it's better than both loomis and hitokakku imho.

>>4498609
As if you tards will ever do it because it isn't animay and it goes against the modus operandi of these threads since it requires lots of critical thinking and not just mindless copying.

>>4498606
it is basically studying something, then memory drawing to help make it stick in your mind, great method.

so the study isn't complete when it looks good, you need to always be testing your knowledge and doubting what you think you know. every study must be accompanied by a test.

>>4498589
damn that's actually really helpful

>>4498615
What are you doing here then? Wasting your time?

>>4498606
eh not much of a fan of the shrimp method because it's doesnt empashize constructing 3d shapes... but ok.

>>4498589
no, i don't. i've been asked for it before, so i'm considering making one. i just don't know if they're being ironic when they ask though. i'll make one now, i suppose

>>4498589
OK anon I am thankful and you win the argument.

... But in my defense you have to admitt you explained it a lot better than Hitokaku did.

>>4498616
>you need to always be testing your knowledge and doubting what you think you know. every study must be accompanied by a test.
Which is exactly why we keep telling you morons to use real world figures, the style you want to draw is derived from life it is essential that you always reference the model to understand what you're trying to achieve.
>>4498618
I'm the one who brought up the shrimp method go back to copying your animay screenshots you little shit.

>>4498525
>unironically take your meds schizo
how is it schizo to tell someone to try copying a book before asking a retarded question? copy work. it's in the op. it's how the masters learned, it's how your favorite artists learned. you don't need to read words in an art book to get something out of it.

>>4498537
i wasn't a fan of hitokaku since it was so basic. i'd recommend these books over it actually for body stuff, second one is a bit more advanced.
>松(A・TYPEcorp.) Digital Illustration - Body
>(Date Naoto) Deconstruction Illustrated

i learned from western resources for basics and anatomy, then japanese books for copying style and visual cues. the fundamentals don't change, but they're better covered in western things than jap books. the jap books seem to gloss over fundies more, barely showing sketches as much as finished line work.

>>4498590

I noticed that in his figures, they are much more complex than what Hotokaku teaches, for example the way he uses ellipses to show the volume of the thighs, not as a simple cylinder but with a good anatomical notion.
Scott Eaton only teaches to locate the muscles but he practically does not draw in his course.
I suspect that he used some books or courses about figure drawing that was not mentioned, but yeah only god knows...

>>4498523
what the HELL is that

>>4498524
loomis

>>4498523
loomis

>>4498631
This, but unironically.

>>4498628

Indeed. I will just say I do agree with you anon.

>>4498584
loomis

>>4498590
>He also shills the Scott eaton course but that's just a more complex proko anatomy course
I shill Eaton too and that's nothing like Proko's course. It's not really a drawing course, it's a knowledge course. It familiarizes you with all the major bones and surface muscles of the body. So when you see bumps or indentations you know what they are and the general/shape volume. I go back and review it from time to time when I feel spotty but it emblazoned a ton of anatomy and his insights that stick with me since I first watched it a few years ago. It informs how I draw the contours of shapes and I know what to look up if I'm forgetting a part that I'm already familiar with.

Definitely watch Scott's course and draw along, take your time and don't grind through it. Proko's course is an art course that's like a watered down Watts lecture.

>>4498625
>you need to always be testing your knowledge and doubting what you think you know. every study must be accompanied by a test.

has absolutely nothing to do with

Which is exactly why we keep telling you morons to use real world figures, the style you want to draw is derived from life it is essential that you always reference the model to understand what you're trying to achieve.

if you want to draw in an specific style you need to study THE STYLE, studying things tangent to it and expecting to be good at it is completely retarded, just try asking proko or even I don't know, any good artists that's not a manga artist to draw manga, they won't be able, they aren't used to the style.

sorry but you just went full retard for a moment there.

>>4498627
Are you the GMI anon?
>> I learned from western resources for basics and anatomy, then japanese books for copying style and visual cues. the fundamentals don't change, but they're better covered in western things than jap books. the jap books seem to gloss over fundies more, barely showing sketches as much as finished line work.

Yeah, I suspected that was the case.

>>4498577
now call me crazy, but i think his main source of figure drawing gains was actually fucking spending time figure drawing instead of searching for the absolute perfect magic bullet resource

>>4498638
roomisu

>>4498644
GMI anon is a big fan of hitokaku, please pay attention

>>4498645
strawman fag

It's less a magic bullet and more "I have no fucking clue how to study"

>>4498643
Let me rephrase that, take the real world model and turn it into one of your bug eyed amawus. This site has given you a more than enough immersion to know how a generic animay girl looks like. They all look the same.

Am I the only one studying this book? It's the figure by wallt reeds

It's basically the famous artist course. It's literally the only method that has made any sense to me. Yes even above loomis,

>>4498645
you can spend all the time in the world and not get better if you keep making the same mistakes, of course there are other sources of study, but the "just draw bro" is a shit meme if you have no idea what you're doing.

Some murata studies, man that guy is good...

>>4498660
loomis

>>4498661
yeah needs some more construction but I'm lazy...

>>4498658
I used the vilppu drawing manual, but I'll take a look at this one as you mentioned

>>4498668
Which anon are you? GMI anon?

How long until westerners start outproducing Japan with anime content? Seems like literally every artist worth a shit draws in anime style now.

>>4498644
No, I'm a different anon and OP but it's nice that I've seen the other anon echo the same things previously.

Look at the op artist's pixiv. They clearly do figure drawing like croquis/gesture/quick sketch along with drawing a lot from real life images. Learn to draw from life and learn to anime. They're separate skills built on the same foundation but feed back into each other. When you can bring 3d to stylized anime it takes your work to another level.
https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/57177721

Learn fundies like copying with measuring and measuring with your eye. Copy everything you can, when you get a handle on this, copy artists you like in any style. Anime styling is really more specific symbols for hair and facial features which are still based on the real anatomy and follow similar rules. The hardest part I had to learn that the West doesn't cover in materials as much (except animators) is focus on drawing shapes of the figure first with informed anatomical basis, then refine with your anatomy knowledge.

>>4498670
sucking "GMI anon"' 's cock won't make his skill rub off on you

>>4498659
/ic/ may be the only community in existence filled with people who want to dedicate the rest of their lives to drawing yet are terrified of actually drawing. years of being exposed to other (usually /beg/) anons screaming "DON'T STUDY THAT, IT'LL FUCK YOU UP! DON'T DO THAT, IT'S A BAD HABIT! DON'T MAKE MISTAKES, YOU'LL BE FUCKED FOR LIFE!" leads to a kind of analysis paralysis where you feel on some level that the best option for your drawing ability is, somehow, to not draw at all. ironically, that's the one thing that does fuck you over.

>>4498672
never because weabos don't consider anythng not made in japan by japanese people as anime.

>>4498670
No, I'm the one who was conspiring against the sources of gmi anon

>>4498679
This is 4chan. No more explanation needed.

>>4498683
I see, yeah in that case thank you, I would be curious if you find that book useful.

>>4498617
hey i'm glad it helped
>>4498621
once i get your blog i'll be free from reading these threads, it looks like most of the artists i was interested in following has stopped posting here
>>4498622
i'll take a step back too... i read hitokaku at a time where it really helped me improve dramatically, and i think i got too excited over it and wanted to share it with everyone. clearly it doesn't have the same effect for a lot of people. that said, i've been following one hitokaku-studying-anon here who has really clean lines, and it looks like he's making amazing progress
>>4498628
it's easier to learn how to draw the figure in perspective if you simplify to the point hitokaku's examples. once you can draw, adding the details become trivial, provided that you have the anatomical knowledge. scott eaton gave me that anatomical knowledge despite not drawing once in the course. that said, anatomy is anatomy, you can get it anywhere (i hear proko's course is quite good too)
>>4498683
:(

>>4498676
Great advice thank you anon.This makes ALOT more sense.

I've been studying some longer face styles like Oda-non and trying to keep the face looking like the same character from all angles. Coming up with poses without a reference and fitting them into a 3D plane has always been difficult for me.

>>4498621
>>4498692
i made my blog
https://twitter.com/helicid55077032

>>4498679
I never said to stop drawing, I actually draw a lot
but I only had a significant improvement after I started to see courses and books and understand what I was wrong.
what I mean is don't mindless draw,
use some knowledge behind it

>>4498692
Ok maybe i'm gushing too much over you... but I do admire your amazing growth and skils and to be honest I'm super jealous.

I'm just disappointed hitokaku doesn't click to me as much as it did with you. Say the eye thing you drew made perfect sense once you explained it... but hitokaku's way just confused the hell out of me.

I still thank you for all the advice.

>>4498692
Gmi anon before you leave can I have your opinion on Walt reed's book?

.... and your blog?

>>4498692
stop copying my drawings

>>4498692
don't leave me here alone with mikufag and greyfag, they smell awful

>>4498692
you didn't draw along with scott eaton's stuff at all? did you take notes or anything?

>>4498651
You know they don't, or else you're retarded and I'll stop reading your shit lmao.

>>4498658
Nah I'm good, after finishing Vilppu I'll take a break from anatomy and figure drawing and just fucking draw without taking courses, maybe in a year or two I'll take a shot at Hampton to refresh my knowledge.

>>4498701
>https://twitter.com/helicid55077032
followed you, maybe I'll start posting on that twitter too, I only used it for following artists I liked...

To exmplain my confusion with hitokaku.

Left (hitokaku) His paper stick figures are easy to undestand to be fair. But once you try to flesh them out and simplify the figure with basic shapes Hitokaku throws a blank at you and goes full draw the rest of the fucking owl.

And on the right Walt Reed actually explains how to simplyfy each part of the body with cilynders.


That's why I say hitokaku drives me crazy. But somehow a lot of people have huge gains with him.

>>4498660
the bottom half of this page sorry for my super chicken scratch it's the only way for me

>>4498701
>that frog who started to follow you
hope he's not the gmi anon kek

>>4498735
>Hope he's not the gmi anon kek
I wish I were him anon. I've been collecting resources during the past weeks to start working on my skills and round up my industrial design sketching.

Also I'm not even French lmao that's just a meme location I placed on my twitter account just to follow japanese artists and the like

>>4498756
wtf bro...
you made me feel bad for saying that

>>4498756
why does your location matter for following people?

>>4498756
>hoarding resources instead of drawing
ngmi

>>4498775
Japan love french and british.

>>4498775
nips love euros

>>4498769
No harm done and no offense taken brother, it's all good.

>>4498775
It doesn't matter to me, I just found the location "Sainte-Même" hilarious at the time and it's been like that since then.

>>4495807
When it comes to figure drawing do I have to draw from real life? Or is it anime? Im entirely new to this board

>>4498723
My gains with hitokaku all come from googletranslating his site.
He has several ways he teaches of simplifying the body, the paper doll is supposed to be completed with his two hearts method for straight forward poses or developed into his box form if the pose is in a more demanding perspective. Think of it more as a workframe/gesture than stablished margins.
I much prefer hitokaku to loomis desu, even when some things are lost in translation his explanations make a lot more sense to me and there's less arcane bs like loomis' infamous chapter on hands

>>4498676
are you the one who wrote the "Effective Art Study Guide"?

>>4498676
can you elaborate on that last point?

>>4498568
It's better, but im still no sure about the torso, i think it's because of the proportions, and yes i need to work my coloring skill

>>4498399
You’re joking right?

How would you go about studying an artist like this?
The end result looks amazing but how they start a drawing is confusing to me, it almost looks like chicken scratch in some areas

>>4498692
How do you learn to draw drapery like that? Really nice shapes

>>4499343
you should do figure and gesture drawing exercises to understand how that image on the left emerges

Did I do it correctly?

With all these hitokaku shilling going around, I'll attempt to learn and understand his methods.

I'm going to study a page or two a day starting today. Let's see where it'll get me.

>>4499695
How do you use hitokaku when it's not translated

I'm getting confused so I need a good answer:
Using reference are ok right? But when do they stop being considered ok? Is it still "my" drawing if I draw something while looking at a reference? I always considered that it isn't. That's why I barely used references before and it's slowing my progress down
However I won't do it if they aren't considered as part of """my""" drawing.

>>4499844
anything done by you it's yours only difference is if it was done based on something else

>i drew naruto
>therefore i created naruto

>>4499844

>>4499888
trips confirm, this is better than I could explain

>>4499844
??????? Of course its your drawing unless you're talking about referencing another drawing. If you're referencing a photograph obviously its yours... otherwise the Mona Lisa isn't Da Vinci's

>>4499695
link?

>>4499928
it's in the OP mega

Do I really need to learn gesture first thing? my gestures look like stickman.

>>4500061
if you don't want stiff poses, yes

>>4500079
Guess I'll keep trying until I "feel the form" whatever that means.

>>4499974
Can you share the name of the book? Can't search it with just "hitokaku"

>>4500128
ok, nevermind it was in 'others'

I fucking hate my life

How do you really learn from a book in moonrunes? is it a waste of time trying to use a translator?

>>4500204
you look at the pictures

>>4500204
Just draw what inside, compare with what you have done, or just use it for references

>>4500133
you ok bro?

>>4495807
Is Pochi a good artist?

>>4500132
yeah, the 'it's fun drawing people' books.
if you're trying to download the clothes one, i think it's the 124th page that's bugged and can't be downloaded.

>>4499844
Don't copy anime like this general, you'll be fine.

>>4500204
Just draw.

thread is in autosage so probably not the best time to ask this but are there any brushpacks or recommended settings for drawing anime in paint tool sai v2? or are the default pencil and brush tools supposed to be good enough

>>4500133
most of us do. That's why we draw animu girls.

>>4500270
I have all 3 in pdf format if people want them.

r8 my work

>>4500472

yeah, that's not yours.

>>4499594
fookin kawaii

>>4500270
>>4500451
It's all in nip for me, did I get the wrong book?

am I getting somewhere?

idk if this is the right thread, its not a study, its from imagination

>>4500639
I'm beg so I should point out, but its pretty obvious the guy in the back has a really small body for the arms, and the head is beyond fucked up, don't know if its the perspective of the face or that its just plain small.

>>4500557
Nope. We are all just copying the pictures. You are now missing much in the text honestly. have used yandex to translate and most of it is just your typical encouragement.

>>4500618
tried a different pose, why the fuck do I always end up with ayy lmao heads and really thin, long bodies?

new thread
>>4500695
>>4500695
>>4500695

>>4500667
Oh yeah I forgot about yandex, I'll use that, thanks
Still, quickly going through it It doesn't looks all that amazing compared to just grinding vilppu or something. I'll still do some pages of it everyday too

>>4500618
>>4500685
loomis

>>4499343
Lmao this is draw the rest of the fucking owl tier.

>>4501420
That wasn't supposed to be a tutorial

>>4496136
Been drawing for a year and this whole thread is just making me depressed