/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Homuhomu

>>4487782
07th?!?

>>4487782
My goal is to get good in a year, which in my opinion is to /int/ along with at least 4,000 followers online. Do you guys think that’s possible?

>>4487801
definitely can get a lot better in a year, but the follower thing might be hard depending on what you draw

usually fan art/coom art of new stuff is a good way to gain followers. for example animal crossing last month and now valorant seems to be really big right now and if that gets anywhere near overwatch levels of popularity it could be a good start

>>4487801
I've drawn about 2 hours a day for a year and a half and I'm way below /int/.
If you want to be /int/ in a year you need to grind HARD and SMART. Can't tell you how to grind smart because I suck.

Anyone know good sources on basic digital rendering? Like how to utilize the different tools in painting and shit?

>>4487782
Is there like a /beg/ drawing exam I could do to figure out my flaws by having other critique it?

>>4487810
Pyw

are japanese figure drawing books better than loomes, vilppu or any other western sources? I've browse thru them and the illustrations themselves are much more easier to understand even without knowing moonrunes. Tried to draw animu head from imagination after years of stagnation and It looks like I still got a little bit of that feel

For the dude of the previous thread with the portrait :

>This is also my first time dealing with shading from a side angle but i think i picked something with too many lighting angles, what do anons think?

1) Don't try to sketch values yet. ("shading"). you should probably stick to drawing for now and train your eyes.

2) On that note a few pointers : don't try to sketch the curve, get the angle and go for it with a straight, confident line. Try to force yourself to accentuate those angles.

Why ? Because it will help you see the planes (the moment the surface changes direction) and thus help you when you are gonna put your values in. Also remember it's always easier to tone down a sketch than adding movement to it.

For example your chin lacks character because you tried to go for that perfect curve. Mine is less on model (bigger chin) but i accentuated it to show you when it curves back toward the neck.

For the hair, don't draw the strands, follow them and try to pick up the general movement of the entire mass of hair. Think of hair as a bunch of wide ribbons in space. (i drew a few arrows to show the movement).

Don't try to sketch the small details of the features. Once again try to pick up the form, it's more important to catch the direction of the lip/nose/eye etc ... than trying to get that strand of hair right.

TL;DR : concentrate on measuring and getting angles right. Bold straight lines and commit to them. It's more important to understand how the eye behave in space than tunnel-visionning on small details.

im so lost

why do my men so often end up looking like ftms

>>4487921
post 'em

>>4487927
sorry for lighting

>>4487862

The first drawing is unironically better than the monotonously hackneyed second drawing.

The first drawing is actually a better likeness, also.

>>4487954
it has a better understanding of 3d space which is what he was trying to show.

>>4487862

Basically, don’t listen to any of this person’s advice whatsoever.

Concentrate on enjoying drawing and gradually discovering your own (hopefully not hackneyed) style.

>>4487951
look like men to me

>>4487521
Tried this as well, but couldn't really capture the expression

>>4487862
Not him, but thanks for the post. I'll keep it in mind for my next attempt.

>>4487964
i must be fucking up in some way.
or does simplifying shapes just make people more feminine?

>>4487961
>>4487954
lmao at your life

made this cat bread thing

>>4487976
looks fine to me

>>4487986
alright, thanks anon.
is there anything else that stands out to you that's wrong? no one ever critiques me man.

maybe it looks like i'm low-effort. but i tinker around with these simplistic looking drawings for hours, i swear.

>>4487847
This is the only "work" I have to post, even though I never finished it.
Besides that it's just books full of simple unfinished sketches and scribblings.

>>4488003
Hey, you're doing okay, all things considered.

Just your linework needs work. I'd be interested to see that relined with more confident strokes.

>>4488006
Yeah, some of the lines in that pic are not finished and inked but some of them are. Maybe I'll go back and finish it up one day, but basically I spent so much time on it that I started to feel like I was getting diminishing returns in terms of learning.

>>4487862
> tells /beg/ to measure and get angles right
> ignores all the angles and exaggerates the forms instead

You really think someone from /beg/ will be able to see the forms in that photo? Half of your forms come from your understanding not from the photo. Useless advice for /beg/ who has no idea what the planes of the upper lip are supposed to be and the photo reference doesn't show them at all.

>>4487862
where can i follow you?

>>4488016
why the fuck do you not give better advice then? because you have no idea what youre talking about

>>4488016
i said "go for it", didn't tell him to get it right. I sure as hell didn't as you pointed out.

The point is, it's better to try and shoot for bold confident lines (even if you don't understand form yet). This'll force him to synthesize some shapes out of that photo even if it's not on point.

Same reasoning for accentuating the angles, force him to go for it. I really don't think it matters to get a perfect likeness at that level. The important part is getting forms, not getting them right.

>>4488016
Just realized is said "get the angles right at the end". Disregard this part, bad advice you are right.

>almost finished Fun with a Pencil
>never had fun
Well at least it'll be over soon

>>4488053
>4488053

>>4488053
>never had fun
it shows

>>4488053
>this is your brain on Loomis

How /beg/ am I, /g/

>>4487951
It's because you're leaving out the lines on the face I think, makes them look younger and softer

Wonderful work though

Bottom right guy looks like jfk

Made this yesterday

>>4488116
This is really cute and I like it a lot

>>4488116
needs more loomis whichs is ironic if it wasn't on porpuse

>>4488084
The most uncanny part of those is that the eyes look like symbols and that the planes of some faces seem made up.
However, I think the most important skill is the ability to self-critique. What do (You) think is wrong with these? Note it down, so that next time you consciously avoid that problem.
If you're not sure, go back to real life / references and practice a bit before going back to construction.

>>4488123
>needs more loomis
How?

Pissoff giraffe lol
Rate me

>>4488138
Xerox copy/10
Post some real work

>>4487906
Are you even trying anon?

>>4488148
What a helpful post

>>4488138
Nose and eye shapes are off. Ear placement is too high. She looks air-headed / retarded, instead tired / disgusted.

>>4488148
Nice symbols

>>4487961
>>4487954
o i am laffin

>>4488129
Which portions of the planes? The forehead? I don’t know how to improve on the eyes as I try my best to capture how its opened or the shape, the iris/cornea/etc is probably goes in the symbol drawing territory as I probably not picking the right values for the eye colour and where the eyes are flatter.

What can I do to recognise the faults and give better shape?

>>4488135
unironic:
her traps are far pass the collarbone area fusing with the shoulders and so far up to her neck that looks like a piramid and nothing human like,the lifted leg is way too small the other one has 0 form i know this is just a simple sketch style but literally changin the angle of one line could have make it much better and there's a lot more that aren't some high tier only pros could see shit but rather comon sense that surprise me the artist din't see it.

ironic:
LMAO WESTERN SUBHUMAN CAN'T DRAW ANIME EVEN A HALF ASSED JAP SKETCH LOOKS BETTER THAN THIS !!!1
YIKES!!

>>4488148
bro that symbold drawing in the nose tho and the ear is too far in back isn't

The crabs beat me yesterday. They showed me I have never and will never draw well. I'm out.

>>4487862
>Qualifies the original hair as Mom's spaghetti
>Procedes to do maccaroni hair

I like the original better, yours is extremely square, lacks any kind of realism, gesture or soul as if the reference was some type of shitty anime or if it was your personal input or what westerners thinks what anime looks like.

Maybe the anime shitters in /dad/ might suck your cock with that bullshit of yours but realism if far beyond to your capabilities.

Don't listen to anything this faggot has to say.

My first drawing. Any opinions?

>>4488171
>I'm out
if only that was true this place would be 100 time better every time a faggot says that.

>>4488165
Actually she has insanely musclular traps from overhead pressing her loomis books for 2 hours a day as she trains to be gmi.

Jokes aside I see what ur saying.

>>4488180
That's a nice cube anon

>>4488164
A way to recognize errors is to go back to real life and study it. You can pose in the mirror and replicate the same head angle / lightning. See how the features of the face change.
In general, it's important to be able to draw from life so that your constructions are based on knowledge. It makes little sense to draw a black person from imagination if you've never paid enough attention to draw one from real life or even reference.

>>4488148
based

>>4488181
So this place exists to discourage people?

>>4488199
yes

>>4488201
That's not very nice! Which is so unlike the rest of 4Chan.

aiee bad at this videogame called life
>>4488112
thanks anon.
it does look a little like jfk lol.

>>4488171
Fuck yeah.
We got another one, boys.

aiee bad at this videogame called life
(fuck 4chan and rotation)
>>4488112
thanks anon.
it does look a little like jfk lol.

>>4488218
>>4488211

>>4488222
it says it's upright on everything but 4chan. blame the retards who made this gay site.

>>4488224
last try w/ this shit (it says it's upright).
>>4488112
thanks anon.
it does look a little like jfk lol.

>>4487951
looks kino

>>4487782
first time, nice!

>>4488148
i dont get it...

I'm going to be trash forever

>>4488241
(forgive me for update)
(critique welcome)

>>4487862
>1) Don't try to sketch values yet. ("shading"). you should probably stick to drawing for now and train your eyes.

What the fuck? train your eyes but don't sketch values? no. Start NOW and work on it gradually. You don't master one thing in a few weeks, you get the jist of it and continue to build on it for the rest of your drawing career.

>2) On that note a few pointers : don't try to sketch the curve, get the angle and go for it with a straight, confident line. Try to force yourself to accentuate those angles.
Your shit looks like tumblr trash. Draw the curves, just work on measuring and accuracy. Don't draw this square tumblr shit.

>Why ? Because it will help you see the planes (the moment the surface changes direction) and thus help you when you are gonna put your values in. Also remember it's always easier to tone down a sketch than adding movement to it

I thought you just said not to study values.
>adding movement
If you want a block style, yeah dude, just draw the planes

Look I'm not going to go on. The drawing on the left is better, like others said, don't listen to this anon. Your shading is good, you're showing the forms, just study value, proportion, and measuring/accuracy.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

HOW DO I DISABLE THIS FUCKING SHIT CIRCLE.

LET ME DRAW SLOWLY REEEEEEEE

>>4487862
All the salty /beg/s replying to this post. It's delicious. You're doing god's work, anon.

drawing random cleaning supplies

>>4488503
so 2 guys

>>4488503
>/beg/s
>plural
at least 3 of those replies are clearly from the same faggot.

>>4488498
>digital
baka

>>4488520
I need ctrl+Z

Do you absolutely have to use pens and paper if you want to learn drawing? I have an iPad and an Apple Pencil, they seem to work perfectly fine, but practically every course demands that I must have stuff like brown drawing paper, certain kinds of pens, highlights, and other shit. "Just start drawing bro" my ass, this hobby demands more inventory upfront than fucking music.

>>4488522
throw anything that demands a certain tool into the trash

So I watched a video about a jap who
said to find things you wanna draw and draw them as your own (like different pose, clothes, etc) in order to improve and this is what I did though i think i went overboard with shading.

>>4488498
>too stupid to navigate menus for their drawing software
NGMI

>>4487862
>anon makes an objectively good drawing with fundamental advice and a fucking redline
>retards in the thread reee at him and insist on scribbling like 5th graders without any structure or construction of forms
No wonder /beg/ is full of bad advice- you can't even recognize good advice when you see it

>>4488180
your cast shadow is going the wrong way anon

>>4488528
The purpose of shading is to suggest 3D forms based on the angle from which a light source hits a plane in the subject.
Randomly cross hatching shit is not shading. Pic a light source location, find the planes in your subject, and shade accordingly.
That aside, his advice is good.

>>4488521
For a /beg/ there is much more to gain by embracing your failed lines so that your brain is forced to become more confident in your mechanical drawing ability.

>>4488473
>Don't draw this square tumblr shit.
Academic training also uses "the square tumblr shit". As i said, it's a tool to better appreciate angles, regardless of style.

>What the fuck? train your eyes but don't sketch values? no
Operative word is yet. Better to practice appreciating shapes first before trying to fill them in.

>I thought you just said not to study values.
Operative word is when. When you feel you can appreciated volume, then start practicing value groups. It's counterproductive to go on sensory overload trying to get ahead.

ignoring the odd subject matter, unironically how do you into dynamic lighting? everything about this is far too muddy and bland, really considering if I should just man the fuck up and go through Gurney's book on lighting already

>>4488544
I see it now on photo but it looked good in life for some reason.

>>4487997
the one in the bottom looks way younger than the reference. add some expresion lines.
look at the reference, his jaw isn't that well defined, he's got a wrinkle that goes down from his nose, his chin doesn't stand out that much.
you made a nice work, you can just polish it a little, definitely not a /beg/ tier drawing

how get ability to confidently draw half decent arbitrary head?
draw a lot from photos?

>>4488554

what skills should I work on to get out of /beg/
I'll probably never leave but still

>>4488526
It's in a bunch of these courses. Some demand certain pens and pencils, others just ask you to build a makeshift art studio with things that you didn't know even existed. I wish there was a simple "do this, this and this every day and you'll get gud in a few years" guide that I could autistically follow.

>>4488569
Yes, having a few standard measurement in mind for features helps too.

>average distance between eyes
>average height of mouth, nose, eyes, hairline on the face plate
>average width of the mouth
>etc ...

Then you can play with those.

>>4488630
>realize posting an uncolored image isn't a good thing to judge off of
here's my most recent "rendered" thing

>>4488630
>draw from life
>practice line control
>challenge yourself
>be your own critic
being in /beg/ or not does not really matter, just keep drawing

>>4488664
good advice, thank you

>>4488498
turn computer on and off, works for me

>>4488650
Do plates in the bargue book as faithfully as you can. You'll get good in less than a year.

>>4488658
You're already better than 99% of beg, get out of here senpai, be free.

Can anyone tell me why that foot looks so fucked up? Any advice and tips in general with how to improve this would be noted. I'm also wondering what I need to do to get the pixelated lines to stop breaking the way they are. Do I need to expand the pen lines to properly vector this? I'm trying to create something that won't matter how I have to scale it later- basically a vector. C&C welcome, I'm here to learn.

>really like what I drew
>wake up the next day
>turns out it was shit all along
Will I deal with these feeling forever as an artist?

Something is very off about my proportions, but I can't quite put my finger on it

>>4488751
>same happens to me
>fix it and it sure looks perfect now
>next day, see other mistakes

>>4488764
do you used this>>4488751
as a ref ?

>>4488764
The ear is a -very- imporant landmark for placing all facial features. Do not skip the ear.

>>4488768
No, but I did realize how much it looks like a wojak after posting it.

>>4488772
Thanks, I'll see how I can incorporate an ear into the face without it looking out of place.

>>4488776
I'm afraid it is too late. It should be the first feature you draw. It helps with the placement of the brow ridge and nose.

>>4488512
based

>>4488747
is this your very first time finishing something like this?

All the /beg/'s here, show me some ASS

>>4488751
>struggle horribly to draw something that looks shit
>wake up the next day
>turns out it's way better than what i drew a couple weeks before

>>4488796
You gonna pay for that request there? I take cash and cash.

>>4488751
>draw something
>it looks terrible
>look at it month later and it somehow looks better than what i can do now

>>4488786
>is this your very first time finishing something like this?
With this level of detail yes. I've done vectors before but they've been really simple. Heres something back when I started, I'd say I've come a long way but I still have much farther to go

>>4488797
>satisfactory inhale

>>4488658
Why are you in /beg/?

Decided to just call it a day and draw the hair. It's far from perfect but I already spend way too much time on it, and it's finally something I'm okay with. Learned a couple of things from the beginning through the end, thought, so I'm happy about that. And yes I did try to do highlights with an eraser and I hate it as much as you do.

>>4488854
For the next drawing I'd recommend to first create volumes / planes for the hair, and then create texture over them.

>>4488679
>>4488838
this is why you are still begs

Today I decided to clean up the messy sketch i made yesterday, this is the result.

Should you even bother with figure drawing if you can't even copy

>>4488867
Thanks, will study about that.

>>4488890
Should you even bother with drawing anything if you can't make a perfect photocopy, that depicts every last pore?
Yes. The entire point of practice is that you CAN'T do something and are trying to acquire that ability.

>>4488884
uga buga

>>4488897
>what you don't know how to use the stove
>LMAO just try cooking something anyway
>you don't even know how to cook? LMAO who needs recipes anyways

>>4488913
my mind hurts just by looking

>>4488879
You need to measure more and symbol draw less. I'd suggest going for an easier ref.

>>4488890
It's important to learn to draw what you see. It's not that difficult: it just requires the practice of measuring, a bit of eye-hand coordination, and patience.
You can still study perspective, gesture, figure drawing or whatever. The catch is that whatever you pick will benefit from being able to draw what you see.

>>4488306
you inspire me, thanks man

>>4488884
It feels like you're devolving asuka bro..

>>4488884
ngl every fucking thing you draw looks the same facially

>>4488838
Coloring something != no longer /beg/.

>>4488916
What's wrong with it?

quick crustacean sketches

>>4487862
v. nice

>>4488180
tilt the pencil and use the side of the lead for even tone when shading

>>4488924
>>4488926
im stuck guys I'm sorry

>>4488528
Drills are fun. And yes you went overboard, your tried to shade and create the texture of the hair at the same time. I'd say concentrate on one first.

You demonstrate a good understanding of depth already (you understand what goes behind what, how the drills turn, how the fabric folds behind her head etc ...). It's a good start anon.

For the shading on the drills, just adding a top plane will allow you to have more interesting shadows (as the edges of the drills that face up will catch light). Also i would put the lightsource on the side of the character so the shadows on the rings are not symmetrical.

I tried to recreate your style for the demo. Keep it up anon.

>>4488528
You're talking about this video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7Ecp5GKI54

do you like the baby gorilla I made?

>>4488910
>lmaour a retard, never touch the stove, just read recipes instead
>just read theory all day never actually practice
>lul wtf are yuo doing?

>>4489027
Resize your image.

>>4488751
This is why many digital artists flip their canvas around. It's hard to spot your mistakes when you've been staring at the same thing for whoever knows how long. Changing the view, or waiting some time, will help you notice what needs to be reworked.

>>4488554
>>4487862
Based. Successfully warded off that dunning Kruger crab. Anyway, are you saying when drawing from reference, especially portraits, sight sizing/negative space is the way to go? Where does construction like Loomis method fit in? I can make decent Loomis heads but I want to add variery so I draw from reference, but the moment I do so, I find myself sightsizing (as it is more effective) , completely taking construction out of the equation.

am I simplifying the forms incorrectly
I just wanna draw a box

>>4489156
>I can make decent Loomis heads

>do 100 10 second poses and 100 15 second poses
>30 second poses feel like drawing in slow motion afterwards
neat

>>4489004
Damn man, youre doing /beg/s a favor. Good work
>>4488884
The figure drawing is decent in itself, but your stylistic choices (are they?) are off putting. Youve been consistently doing these: eyes too apart, large forearms, non feminine hands, and hairs appearing like wet wigs. Are these designs deliberate or mistakes? Either you work on correcting them based on the model or find an artist you really like and assimilate their style, because your style's uncanny.

>>4489156
https://twitter.com/JuliaLepetit/status/1150932411074646023?s=20

watch the best artist on a bad art youtube show draw a portrait of henry cavil

>>4489156
>when drawing from reference, especially portraits, sight sizing/negative space is the way to go?

Yes, when drawing from reference (especially a straightforward portrait like this one) i just throw lines and use the negative space to measure angles.

You don't really need the construction since, well, it's is right there under your nose, you are looking at it (the ref).

>I find myself sightsizing (as it is more effective) , completely taking construction out of the equation.

It's two different skills that do different things, training your eye doing study and picking up planes/shapes in a ref is super useful to build confidence in your linework.

Construction is useful when you need to block a pose using disparate refs (or no refs). It becomes important when you need to block a pose in perspective, interacting with something. the more complex the scene, the more construction you'll need.

It's perfectly fine to not do construction for studies anon.

I feel like complete oblivious moron trying to figure this out.

>>4489206
Seeing the original drawing without the overdrawings might help

>>4489206
Hmmm, can't you draw a plane and draw a bunch of circles in perspective on them and then extrude the circles to form those rings in perspective?

>>4489183
Interesting. Am I wrong to think that she wouldve gotten it faster if she skipped the Loomis method and just went with sightsizing? Loomis' ideal proportions interferred with the actual proportions so she had to move facial features a couple of times.
>>4489185
I guess sightsizing really is more optimal. Im quite skeptical about the realistic looking heads in Loomis' Head and Hands. I'd wager they were done through sight sizing rather than construction.

>>4489027
spooky
>>4488568
it's hard to see the details with such low quality references, and also to pick and choose which wrinkles to show.
it ended up better thanks to you though; i took a closer look and changed a couple things.
>not /beg/ tier
i don't think i'm at the point where i should post stuff outside of here.

>>4489183
>https://twitter.com/JuliaLepetit/status/1150932411074646023?s=20

>has to stretch the jaw down
>has to slide the entire face over to the left

kek she clearly isn't using loomis and is relying on her tools

>>4489206
Quick thought, i would refrain from using a strong perspective for a background shot like that.

The perspective you use suggest a character looking at a small replica of a town on a table. At this angle and altitude the perspective flatten to the point it would almost look isometric.

IMO your piece works as is.

>>4489179
thank you man. I just don't know any better in most cases
sometimes the ability to focus on details in digital is a detriment as I don't see the proportions well

Bargue's exercises
1/3

>>4489246
2/3

>>4489246
what book?

>>4489249
3/3

>>4489253
Charles bargue drawing course

>>4489260
Meant for>>4489251

>>4488813
rip

i downloaded the pdf of drawing course and i'm confronted by these horrifying 3d models. did charles bargue own blendr?

my art

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ7XARB5Yfc

>>4489282
what are you talking about

I wish I could color, shading makes no sense to me.

>>4489275
What book did you download?

>>4488813
That’s what they called regression. Once something like that happens to you, you’re are basically fucked.

>>4488658
am i high or is this breastplate twisting?

>>4489275
Anon, bargue is a artist from 1800..

>>4489298
sorry you didn't laugh at my great joke anon.

Guys, do you think I'm good enough to get serialized?

>>4489215
>Seeing the original drawing without the overdrawings might help
sure

>>4489216
yeah that's what I've been trying to do but it never looked like what I wanted/ the image I'm trying to figure out.
Either because I'm too stupid to draw a proper circle in perspective or because I don't have a proper handle on the perspective used in the original image

>>4489241
>i would refrain from using a strong perspective for a background shot like that.
I don't really know what that means.
I imagine a strong perspective means when the lines converge towards the vanishing point at a steep angle. Is that what you mean?
Isometric means all parrallel lines are locked in the same axis and don't converge right?
I have no idea if that would work, so I'm just gonna try it out.

Thanks for the input everyone.

>>4489309
Yes!

>>4489004
not him, but this is very helpful anon

>>4489299
Shit I'm dumb

>>4489017
Her chin is a little overexposed

>>4489381
Way to much chicken scratch

>>4489381
wow rude expression

>>4489282
thanks child dad

>>4488921
You too anon, keep drawing.

so when does the learning take place?

>>4489004
I'd suck your dick to have a quarter of the skill you have

>>4489422
I didn't feel like I really started learning anything until after 1k hours.

>>4489017
I really really really like this work.
Weird looking triple chin around the neck though.
>>4489204
Don't fall for the square meme the nun has way more gesture and realism than what the digital shitter in >>4487862 will ever be able to accomplish

>>4488498
Disable “Windows Ink” in Wacom Tablet Properties.

>>4489463
It’s in the “Mapping” tab.

struggling with 3d, but anyways...

>>4489443
>I really really really like this work.
>Weird looking triple chin around the neck though.
Thanks anon, the triple chin is supposed to be part of her dress.
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/600808406527855059/

>Don't fall for the square meme
But that's what I always do anon.

>>4489309
no. there's a maximum autism threshold that you exceed.

>>4489312
Do you have a blog?

>>4489133
hot

>>4489023
Yeah, that one.

>>4489296
good eye, it's definitely twisting

>>4489498
It's the image I'm trying to emulate and not my work anon, I hope that was clear to everyone from the start :T
It's from the legend of korra artbook 4 if you want to see more like it

>>4488884
I'm done with you. You don't want to improve. Fuck it.

>feel like drawing but can never decide on a pose for your character
Anybody else like this? It usually kills me right from the getgo

>>4489381
Even if it has chicken scratch, I like it.

How can I improve my figure drawing?

>>4489587
Take a pose from a reference?

>>4488884
legs r fucked dude

>>4489590
your forms suck major ass, work on primitives and do gestural sketches

>>4489748
Gestural sketches = 30 second gesture drawing from a model without 3d forms and anatomy correct? Primitives you mean basic construction, basic perspective?

>>4489760
you dont need a model for gestures. you can if you want though

yes, draw cylinders cubes and spheres in different perspectives

>>4489767
and it doesnt have to be 30 seconds stop making up pointless rules for yourself

>>4489767
>>4489769
thanks anon

How do I get good?

I never learned fundies and all my shiz is symbol drawing and making shit up. Whenever I use ref it looks 10x worse than if I just made it up. How the fuck do I get on track to being good?

Pretty bored recently

>>4489785
He's cute.

>>4489795
It’s suppose to be a girl. I guess I failed. Recently I saw a movie and the main girl was super hot imo so I wanted a character with a similar aesthetic

>>4489805
Shoulders are to broad.

>>4489809
Tried to emulate one of my fave artist. I do agree mine are way too big. Need more practice ,thank you for the advice. I didn’t notice how wide I was doing it.

>>4489805
Her are some things you can do to make your character look more feminine without changing too much:
- Define the lips more
- Add eyelashes to the eyes, even if they're just single lines at the corners of the eyes
- Make the eyebrows more arched

>>4487862
Angel Ganev is that you? He literally shares this advice through all of his channel

>>4487862
hello im the guy who drew it, thanks for the great advice, including a drawing helps me out a tonne too! Today im currently working on my poses and shit but cant seem to get this one right, i dont understand any of the leg placements. If anyone has some good advice please do

>>4489004
Anon here. I followed your method, although I didn't understand the stocked marrow bones thing so I thought of skate wheels instead and and applied it to the face you recreated, here's my first try (sorry for the ugly shading I don't know how to render in clip studio)

First time drawing anime. Followed mikeymegamega's face mapping tutorial

After struggling all week to create attractive women by copying leyendecker, mucha and charles dana gibbons this was surprisingly easy

>>4489818
How about now. Is it does it read more feminine?

>>4489875
Not sure if woman or trap clown.

Doing some Vilppu gestures.

>>4489875

anymore pointers? im trash and just creating shit out of thin air. Thats why im posting here ._.
Hoping to get some desperately needed help. I want to get better

oh yeah if anyone wants to add me on discord go ahead. o/
mugichacha#9079

hi guiys am i too shit to do michael hampton do i draw boxes instead

>>4488884
Ignore crabs
What would you say are things this drawing needs to have improved?

>>4488913
Good exercise
You show solid understanding of form anon
Finish it!

>>4489825
I want angel to trample on me

>>4489206
Tried my hand at this again, this time trying not to be so anal about it.
Not sure if I actually learned anything except maybe to not overthink things.
Is it possible to build an intuitive sense of perspective? maybe that's a better approach than to try getting everything perfect when I hardly know what I'm doing.

>>4489816
Who’s the artist?

>>4487862
Do you have an social media? Or do you not want to share

>>4487862
Holy fuck what is with all these crabs? Keep up the good work anon

>>4489929
I like the effort
And you already learned a lot
It still looks wonky and crooked
Better take a mental break (work on sth else) and approach fresh
I think something like this cant convincingly be done intuitively, because its such a straight forward perspective with 0 margin for error
Nailing the initial construction is key

>>4489844
Decided to give that video a look see and try it out. Definitely the least stiff my faces have come out to be.

Made these today

This quarentine thing is making me lazy af, I'm sleepy all day and can't work as much as I wanted

>>4487782
I downloaded 3 books, keys to drawing, the perspective made easy and fun with pencil.
Where do I start and in what order? I've been mindlessly drawing for too fucking long, I want to get good and those are my best bet right now.

>>4489962
Actually ignore this, I'm gonna read the sticky again

>>4489962
same boat. What do

>>4488751
Stoopid anon, you post a drawing as soon as you finished and forget about it's existence

>>4488910
>food analogy

>>4489896
Better than the incoherent noodle soup I make when drawing gesture.

>>4489965
>>4489962
I'd start with Keys since it teaches you how to see stuff, then with Fun so you can undestand how the basic shapes works and then Perspective to end it up. Keep a greater focus on Keys, it'll help you a lot more in the beginning.

>>4489973
I agree. I realized that you have to detach youself from your work so you can practice more. Sometimes it's more about quantity than quality.

>>4489946
Thank you.
yeah this is about as much perspective as I can stomach for now, gonna eat something, relax a little and then practice my portraits.
>I think something like this cant convincingly be done intuitively
Bummer.

Tried something new, first finished art work I've done for a month. Should I stick with this kind of thing or just go back to fundies?

>>4489987
How about this anon kun, do studies for the entire week then do finish work every weekend. Then list all of the issues that requires more grinding.

>>4489992
thats cool but can you tell me what looks fucked with the picture please so I can work on that.

>>4489987
The pose is alright, though the hair should be more dynamic. It's going to have straay strands and whatnot. The light source seems sorta strange, too, it's coming from multiple angles.
Lastly, maybe it's just my personal preference but you really don't need to draw out that many buttons. Just a few could do the work that your dozen have.

>>4490007
Not him, but you also forgot how shitty the rendering is, pillow shading is just trash. He should really practice learning to use hard edges with only using a hard round and studying artstyles similar to his.

i like to paint

is this improvement I dnot know

>>4489932
I'd rather not share socials for now. Sorry anon.

Do i do gesture then construction with blocks and cylinders or do i do both at the same time? How do people draw without doing the gesture first?

does this face look too weird?
I've never done a face from this angle before.

just fuck my perspective up

>>4490046
IMo the first one looks better. In the first one you could fix it by picking areas to have sharp edges. In the new one it’s pretty much one value or very subtle value change which you’d use more to shade a soft face than clothing. I’d redline or paint over it but I’m working on my own crap atm. Also I’m prob not even good enough to critique so take what I say with a heavy dose of salt.

Also I know the irony about talking about edges and shit when my art is soft brush mush...

>>4489837
Hey you applied it dude good job, now they look 3D.

For the shading, just go for simple cell shading for now (cell shading looks like my example, clear cut shadows). It will force you to know where to put them.

>>4490046
no you just made my art look worse lmao why?

>>4489835
ok.
>body to elongated but bear in mind i spent a lot of time figuring out the legs and couldnt erase it
>i think im getting good at three dimensions but he still looks quite flat and he has no wait to his punch
>muscles still look tacked and not with his body
>legs too short and uneven
>neck to long

But im quite happy with the kick one above, probably because i didnt have to draw legs this time

>>4489899
Face reads more feminine but I feel like the neck is too long and the shoulders still too broad

>>4490046
The contrash with the background is garbo anon, I recommend desaturating the canvas more and add more contrast the character’s cloth. When shading in a simple artstyle like what you’re doing you should favor harder edges than softer ages.

>>4490081
Aright thanks I'll try that. btw I'm trying to learn to draw clothes, cause, I want to draw full body drawings, (I feel like i already understand most of how the head is constructed) should I learn from copying other artists? or draw from life?

>>4490095
like that?

>>4490107
Make the shading darker while also bumping the colors a bit to a higher value. i think you should also darken the background abit more.

What can i do so abdominal muscles dont look like pict related?

>>4490109
To make it clear I'm some different person. I was trying to remove all shading by overprint and increase contrast with background to make character visible because I was thinking its better idea. But seems like I have wrong ideas

>>4489470
Dude if you wish to convey a 3D feeling you need to learn to portray light properly. Did you watch the Foundations of light and shadow series yet on youtube?

>>4489470
Oh god this is giving newground flashbacks

>>4490122
Draw just the shadows or partial outlines.

>>4490122
Learn their anatomy, first abs a re not identical, they change from person to person and can have slight differences even o none side to the other on the same person. Abs run down starting from the bottom of the sternum down to the pelvis in a vertical line. The first 2 rows curve upwards at the top and turn get straight at the middle.

Also, like any other muscle, abs will change their shape depending on the posture the person is making if you bend backwards they smooth out if you bend forward slightly flex them the become visible. If you bend to the side that side becomes squished.

>>4490168
use this 3D sculpt

>>4489987
>>4490007
>>4490011
Not perfect but I tried rendering this sketch I was doing, is it less pillowy? I'm still getting used to using sai to colour and render. Also tried to do it without lineart so any advice there would be useful.

>>4490171
hnnng i want to draw like that

>>4489204
is good but its not done

>>4490171
This is amazing, do you have any more or source?

>>4490171
My nigga. I got so much use out of that rotation back in the day.

>>4490122
But yeah, to echo several people's points, learn the anatomy above all else. Pay attention specifically to how the muscles pull and stretch in relation to each other. Each one affects the next. And as far as technique itself goes, hint at shapes but (almost) never outline them entirely. Focus on the deeper creases and sharper edges.

>>4489875
Some tips for you Mugi

Eyebrows are too thick which gives her a more masculine feel, same goes to the large mouth with the lips. Contrary to popular belief males can also have big and thick lips but generally having a bigger mouth is considered to be a masculine trait. Hair a bit too confusing too, this thin bobcut gives a more simple appearance.

Eyes are bit wonky, usual the upper eyebrow sits on the top outer corner if one looks straight at a person, on your it feels like she is looking upwards bu the position of the head and the eyeball does not.

Overall yours does have quite a feminine appearance but it has some minor uncanny feels around it.

Here is my quick attempt to change it as I said.

>>4490188
sorry senpai don't have any I got this from around here at /ic/ long ago

How am i suppose to draw rhe body out of boxes it feels like im just trying to copy the shape of the box rather than copy the box

>>4489584
the fuck do you mean
>>4489907
well besides the anatomy and proportions my biggest struggle is going from a messy sketch to a clean lineart and colors

>>4490207
Thanks anyways this will really help with turning characters around

>>4490205
Ah thank you so much!
Btw could you go a bit more into what you meant by the eyes? I didn’t really understand what you meant by the upper eyebrow part. I usually draw they eyes always the same sorta almond shape.. so if I can figure out what you meant then hopefully my art will be better moving forward! C:

>>4489246
>>4489249
>>4489253
Can I get critique on my exercises please?

>>4490176
look at your values closer and think of how they should be similar if they are at the similar location.

>>4490244
>>4490176
for less pillow shading use darker value at different place and follow the geometry of the body versus the light that hits it and give it a harder value difference.

tried to skatch my fist real quick

triad to skatch my hand real quick

is it ok to do keys to drawing digitally

>>4490232
Ok here this might explain it better.

You are putting the eyelashes a the far outer corner of the eye which means that the eye gives us the feeling as if it is half closed or looking from an upper angle. Normally eyelashes are the upper outer corner of the eye even if stylized.

If you look at the examples you will see that the upper corners of the eyeball (even the white areas) are somewhat shaded and only the lower part is seriously lit up. This is because the eyeball is.. well a "ball" and the upper side is cast into a shadow by the eyelid and the lashes, while the middle area pokes out and catches lights. In animu the lower area usually lit up the most and in color because that collects most of the reflected light from the environment. Yet if you look at it the majority is black or dark.

Did this help?

>>4490237
Looks good Anon not much else I can say. They are pretty simple exercises.

I dont understand how to do the loomis exercises correctly

>>4489584
>I'm done with you
lmao

what does drawing blind mean

>>4490294
not looking at your paper/screen while drawing, but at your reference instead

Is this one of these soul/ no soul

>>4490275
Yeah! That does make more sense. Thank you c:

So does something like this look better?

>>4490331
Whoops here’s the pic.

I've got all these books in front of me
>Keys to Drawing
>Fun with a Pencil
>Drawing the Head and Hands
>Figure Drawing - For All it s Worth
and I feel so overwhelmed
I've read through keys to drawing and did some of the exercises but I feel like I'm getting lost even though I haven't even started yet
I really want to learn this but I don't have motivation somehow
I feel like shit

>>4490359
brother.. I've just looked throuhg keys to drawing and im just unable to process any of the exercises

>>4489587
yeah me too

Been taking drawing classes but couldn't this term cuz of the virus so trying to at least keep drawing.
Got some copics to practice shading. I know I have a long ways to go on that. I haven't gotten a blender yet.
Drawn from ref. Anyways what sucks most about it?

>>4490411
measure more, check your proportions

>>4490320
idk but i prefer the one on the right

>>4490411
sorry but what kind of classes were you taking?
this is literally worse than what I could do day one with a reference
you are symbol drawing everything

>>4490434
do you have any of your day 1 work on hand, because i don't believe you.

>>4490449
ok its not literally first day, but first couple of days

>>4490452
of ever drawing? i don't believe you.
but if it's true, when did you start? in your 30s or something?

>>4490455
>of ever drawing?
yeah, also first time using a drawing tablet, which is really fucking weird and feels wonky
this is not that hard, its literally just copying, this is the 4th exercise in the very first book one should learn, or so I was told, in Keys to Drawing, on page 23, out of 230 pages

Im 27, not sure why that matters
here's something else I drew on day 4, this was not part of the book I just wanted to experiment a bit

because older people tend to have a better starting point. the anon you're trying to dunk on is probably way younger than you.

>>4490466
>because older people tend to have a better starting point
when it comes to drawing? how come, why?
everytime I read a whiny wojak thread its about "why didn't I start earlier, its literally impossible to learn this shit after you hit 20" or some iteration of this

>>4490455
It does not matter. I've seen teenagers and grandmas produce similar things to >>4490452 just by avoiding symbols and drawing the shapes they see. People tend to screw up when they get impatient or lazy and don't measure or pay enough attention.

>>4490472
not really. idk, maybe it's because anon's only posted very close up shots, or because i'm not seeing the reference, but there's not that characteristic distortion.
even if you measure, even if you look really close at your reference, your eyes just aren't picking up things properly.
fuck maybe i'm retarded, but i used to spend hours looking at references only to come back two days later and realise how fucked it was. and queue overcorrection, undercorrection, for eternity, until i finally gave up. (partly motor function, partly not).
>>4490467
well, it's just a trend i'm tending to see.
it seems pretty intuitive to me-- that the older you've gotten, the more you've tended to see the 'rules' of the objects around you.
i stopped drawing when i was like 14, and then i picked it up again when i was 16. and by that point i was noticeably better at drawing than before
>impossible to learn after
probably a brain plasticity meme. of course, it's always better to start as early as possible. like, when you're 4 or something.

>>4490481
>>4490467
>>4490472

Yea, there are different goals. If you want to be the top 1% you probably needed to start when you were young. If you want to be good enough to trick a vast majority of people into thinking you're good, you can probably start whenever though.

I remember watching a video where someone said something like that for the 10,000 hour rule. The plebs can hardly ever tell the difference between someone with 2,000 hours and 10,000 hours. I feel like it has a lot to do with the 80-20 rule, where the majority of the time spent on a project is spent on ironing out that last 20%.

But then again, maybe I'm just coping, I started late as well.

do i start with drawabox?

>>4489875
ok here's my take on it :
There are a few signifiers that read as strong features (some would say masculine features). Thick not tapered eyebrows, thin eyelashes, very big and defined lips, even when stretched, strong jaw but with a round chin.

I think the 2 main things are that lip and the shape of the head (jaw + hair shapes).

The lip : This is a big plump lip with a very deep philcrum. The fact she is showing her chompers with a big smile makes it so the viewer imagine they are even bigger when closed ==> uncanny. Also the fact the lips are the darkest value on your drawing gives the impression she is sporting black lipstick. (thus "clownish" look). Combined with the lack of emphasis on the eyes, this gives a weird unbalance "way too much make up" look.

The shapes : The hair has that weird design dissonance in which you have that nice soft bowl cut with angular spikes on top. The jaw is strong (comes at an angle when going toward the chin) but the chin is round, you are stuck in that sort of middle ground. These two elements create some ambiguity.

I tried to keep the maximum of your design intact for pic related.

does anyone have a good bank/website of pose photos? specifically looking for poses of someone lighting a cig but from a behind/over the shoulder shot

>>4490565
this sort of thing is deeply subjective. i love a lot of art, aside from number of hours.
when i said that it's best to start early, i mean that if art is something you enjoy, it's sad to think that it took someone so long to discover it. and also that this is a personal journey; it's a matter of having a dialogue with your own work. it's going to get cut off at some point, for sure, and again in the abstract maybe it's sad to think of all the conversations you could've had with yourself. but whether you start today or in the womb, there are infinite conversations you're going to miss out on. if that makes sense.

and also, i feel like children are really deprived of the joy of having hobbies nowadays. it's all just brain-fry. well, that's mostly everyone, but it's seen as abuse or at least sad when a kid has a hobby.

>>4490618
I use pinterest

my first drawing of an animal
any advices?
bdw this is my second drawing in general not counting the exercises

>>4490677
Gotta work on that transparency doe

plz critique

>>4490735
damn bro

How can i manage layer more efficiently

Ultimate goal is making hentai

My idea is >sketch 1,2 Line black white tone, final touch

>>4490735
This just made me laugh, if those proportions were intended to look ridiculous, then you won.

>>4490735
Sorry i don't have a redline for this one

>>4490761
thanks for the gold kind stranger

>>4490761
which parts specifically are ridiculous, is it the arms? because I felt that they where too big as well when i started them.
>>4490783
kek

>>4490785
Arms are as thick as the legs yes and the pecs are almost two heads width. He looks super beefy. I don't actually think it's bad, it's pretty good in the ridiculous direction.

i want to study anatomy / poses, but those reference books are so dull. i don't particularly want to draw this pudgy guy who's holding out a plastic sword.

>>4490803
>>4490803
Look up cosplay on twitter, pinterest or e-hentai

ok guys I did drawina box what do i do next

>>4490802
Yeah he is meant to be huge, I had in mind a Sin City style bouncer

>>4490783
The absolute unit

new thread

>>4490825
>>4490825
>>4490825
>>4490825
>>4490825

>>4487862
one of the best redline and critique I've ever seen on /ic/