/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4483761
sillwmith.jpg

How do I get better at using modeling tone? I tried it and I think this looks very strange.

Top left is just using only the pencil brush and then bottom right I tried to use the smudge tool and then pop back in some of the lights. Not sure which looks better

>>4483799
both suck because your figure sucks, not because the technique sucks

his spine is literally flowing into his right asscheek anon

FEEL the breasts

>>4483802
which parts did I screw up the most compared to vilppu's drawing? I tried to make it as close to his as I could

>>4483818
Not him but you have the shoulder and the buttocks very close together. You also drew the shoulders a bit too big relative to the head, or the head a little too small.

Critique please

>>4483799
Looks like a deformed dwarf lmao

>>4483839
>>4483799

>>4483838
that car is not conforming to the perspective, right?

>>4483838
Agreed draw a line from theback tire to the front tire and you'll see

Am I feeling the form?

>>4483838
>(485 KB, 2550x3300)
>RESIZE YOUR IMAGES - try ~1000px, <1.1mb

your first and most important crit

>>4483965
do you know how to right click?

>>4483968

>>4483761
Why does he looks like so much like Sasuke?

>>4483953
Not in any way, shape, or form.

How do I get over the disappointment of doing a bad drawing?

>>4483994
draw a hundred more and learn not to get emotionally attached to drawings

they're tools

>>4483994
accept that even when others think your stuff is the greatest thing ever you will probably still believe it needs to improve.
also, you just have to acknowledge that you don't really know what your doing yet so yeah your drawings are gonna look bad.

>>4484025
I've been trying to draw for months tho and I'm still trash

>>4483994
be determinined and rational

>>4483994
Why did you post something about how to cope with a bad drawing followed by a good drawing? Is this a troll post?

>>4484069

>>4484034
so have i, the majority of people (including you) who post in /beg/ are better than me and at first it used to bother me that i felt i was never progressing BUT occasionally i will make the one i am somewhat happy with and that makes me happy.
you just have to keep going anon, even if its small goals just try to tackle them.
it's better to take risks and make a bad drawing than it is to sit in a comfortable place but never progress past that point otherwise you will never learn anything.
for every drawing an artist does they are content with there will be 10 to 100 others that they dislike or hate.
everyone feels that way sometimes anon, just keep going.

>>4483953
It looks like atm you're just dealing with trying to figure out flow and rhytm which is fine for now.
To feel the form you would have to actually start introducing some form too it.
If you're not already doing it I'd recommend reading "the vilppu drawing manual"

>baby's first ever art
Hurt me plenty

I'm not a beginner but I have a beginner question.
I've been trying to make charcoal drawings but I realized all my drawings, even the painted ones, looks a little bit... Foggy.
Look at her skin, it's so smooth even with texture, you can't see the difference between shadow and light.
I'm using a hard edge brush but I'm having this problem with other kind of brushes as well.

>>4484268 (me)
I have other drawing that can show what I'm saying

>>4484268

> trying to make charcoal drawings
> using a hard edge brush

anon charcoal drawings are done with charcoal, not with a waycum

> I'm having this problem with other kind of brushes as well

just study value then, you obviously see the problem isn't in the brush but in the (You)

>>4484272
True thing
I'll take a look on my values
I'm a little afraid of getting too dark and blurring the shadows to much
Anyway thanks

Yeeesh, I just don't get how to do waifus

>>4484227
Welcome to the grind house

>>4483799
Tight as fuck wow

>>4483761
I actually really like this. Will Smith irl looks like a weird fish person

>>4483846
>>4483860
Can you draw the line for me? Do I have to the entire car again? I understand the car is smaller in the ref

>>4484433
forgot my ref

>>4484459
please post ref

>>4484494
delet this ref

>>4483953
needs some wrapping lines

help how do i learn

>>4484308
wtf is going on with her mouth?

>>4484565
Figuring out how to convert 3d to 2d is hard

>>4484571
pretty cute, is this edited?

Drew this in MS Paint.
I lost my tablet and now I can only draw on my laptop using the touch-pad.

>>4484578
Did I edit it? No.

Did she edit it. Most definetely.

>>4484540
This is a 5 minute edit of your sketch. Part of learning to draw is sketching something then figuring out what makes it look like shit and fixing it.
Tell me what are the differences between my edit and your original sketch.

>>4484613
Hmmm, that's a way of phrasing it, I never bothered to look to far into it. I just follow formulas and hope for the best. Thanks lad. I've just been trying to figure out how to make 3d women into 2d, I guess there's even more style than I think.

Among the changes I see, is shoulders are added, collar lines are erased more hair is added, the black background helps a lot, checks are rounded and more hair and stuff. I think chin is also changed ever so slightly.

>when you go to a live drawing session and that delicious smell of pussy musk and body odor is filling up the room from the model's hairy cunny
now THIS is what it feels like to be an artist

So for the top panel I want to have an indication of a swift motion of the hand coming from the top left to the hand position. Sort of a FWOOSH. But the character is going to be colored in black. How do I add this affect in? And also and the FWOOSH or maybe FWISH

>>4484707
fixed

>draw first time in a while
>Have a blast
>4 hours over the span of a few days
>People compliment your work
>Feels good

>But your arm tingles and burns for the next week

I hate this shit so fucking much. Old image to show theoretically what I'm capable of, but I just can't do it anymore because of my goddamn nerve problems, so I've regressed big time since then

>>4483761
Goofing

Dude, I, os wastes!

>>4484781
your art shouldn't be allowed near children, but it's got its charm

>>4484792
Th-thanks?

>>4484748
Where did you learn this?

>>4484268
try usign a really hard edge brush, no opacity and no effects and even no pressure
keep your values really simple at the beggining, constructing a face with like 3 or 4 values can be really fun
also focus on shapes, marco bucci on youtube has some really good videos about it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZknWKTpc90

how do i manage to get believable skin tones using unusual lighting or weird colors?

>>4484759
Don't blur it so much and then leave other parts unblurred. Also, the different color of the ears make the face look deformed.

I'm so tired
help me

>>4484888
.... What do you mean? How to do value studies and the like?

Just pull up a black and white image, paint your canvas a background color, block in major values, work from big to small, and fiddle around until it looks okay.

Marco Bucci's 10 Minutes to Better Painting has a great series on stuff like this. Rest is mileage.

Crazy to come back here and have people ask me, of all people, for advice.

Been trying to make cool drawings with markers and photoshop during quarantine

what should I learn? ive bene drawing on pure talent alone. where can i learn proportions and cool brushes?

>>4485043
Post your art so people can give you advice on what to work on

>>4483953
No. Gesture is not outlining. Form is not outlining. Outlines don't exist.

>>4485048

I changed the arm position a little bit and the hand huh..

Add some base color before I mess up with the rest..

>>4485066

Previously..

>>4485066


Mmmm now i dont like how the arms looks, why is even in that pose aagh..

>>4483761
Heres my current process, critique greatly appreciated

>>4485100
Woops file didnt post

Been screwing around with this sort of perspective for a while.
But it's never looked quite right to me.
What I wanted to accomplish was a birds eye view where the groundplane between the segments was still visible.
The problem is always either the the segments overlap obscuring the groundplance or that the ellipses look funky as fuck.
Think it might have to do with the distance between segments, the height of the segments and the ellipses being in a too extreme perspective for the perspective I actually want to draw in.
Too tired to figure it out today, would love to hear some input.

>>4484924
Skin is actually a quite reflective and transparent matter you can easily get away with simply adding a different color to it at the areas where different colored light hits the skin.

Is two hours a day of Loomis every day enough to become an acceptable artist? I dont want to be unbelievable, I just want to be good. I have other interests that I spend more time on, so more than this isnt an option, and my talent levels dont merit commiting more

>have to continue the teacher's drawing in front of the whole class
>jesus fuck how do toes work
>he comes over
>scramble to cover it up before he sees
>NO NO NO THIS IS ALL WRONG
>he rips it away from me
>does it way better immediately
>i chant i'm sorry, near tears
>he mumbles to his assistant--how is anon ever going to make it like this?
>wake up
what the fuck are these nightmares

HOW DO I DRAW TITS HOW DO I DRAW BOOBS HOW DO I DRAW THE FEMALE FIGURE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I JUST WANT TO DRAW CUTE GIRLS IN LEOTARDS DAMNIT AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA PLEASE I JUST WANT TO DRAW RANMA IN LEOTARDS PLEASE

>>4485221
have you tried
drawing
breasts?
to improve your ability to draw
breasts
retard?

>>4485221
Draw from life faggot

>>4485216
>/Ic/ has literally taken over your dreams

>>4485221
JUST DO IT IDIOT I WANT TO SEE RANMA IN A LEOTARD

>>4485225
>>4485226
ill draw you titties if it means getting better damnit.

>>4485228
anon when i get good at this shit ill have a ig dedicated to drawing ranma in different leotard positions i swear to you.

>>4485240
BASED, I WILL SUPPORT YOU ALL THE WAY. TELL ME WHEN IT HAPPENS

>>4485242
i just started drawing a week ago because i found this little flash game that was about a girl in a leotard training. the dood who made it also made a ranma flash and now i want to thank him by combining the two together. i draw for an hour every night before bed. as soon as my stuff is eligible for /beg/ ill upload some shit.

>>4485240
>>4485228
>>4485221
What’s with all the ranma shit recently, is it like the 50th anniversary? Did rumiko takahashi die or something?

>>4485246
can i see that flash game

>>4485248
https://www.dlsite.com/ecchi-eng/work/=/product_id/RE219802.html
https://www.dlsite.com/ecchi-eng/work/=/product_id/RE227209.html
i love this shit and the guy. hes like a knock off minus 8 for me. Hes the reason why i started obssesing over ranma and will learn how to draw

>>4485221
you must feel the form

How to practice efficiently? I have the motivation to draw for hours but I don't want to end up with a pile of sub-/beg/ drawings and zero improvement in a few months.

what do i do? do I just study a book and draw fro
reference?

>>4485215

You can improve with just 2 hours a day, it will just take more days. If by Loomis you mean reading the books and doing the exercises, I don't think that Loomis is a complete guide, but it will give you the basics. So depends on how good you want to be and how fast you want to go.

>>4485059
>pure talent alone
Anon, I...

>>4485410
A-Anon.. I didn't mean talent in good way.. just my innate ability

shading just means coloring right?

>>4485429
Ye

There's a gorillion videos on on gorillion different ways of doing digital rendering.
What's actually a good source to get into it? There's a bazillion tools that do all kind of shit and aaaa.

after 2 weeks of just copying real life I gave boxes a try
trying to draw everything without assistance, stabiliser
this is fucking torture
these are the best straight lines I could come up with
and my shoulder hurts now

>>4485498
do you really need to be able to do straight lines? you can a lot without that.
also, do stiff life, not boxes. or, do still lifes of boxes. do you have any tea containers, cigarette packets, etc.?

>>4485504
someone anons told me I do
I did stiff lifes too before

This is the most frustrating thing i've ever experienced in my life. Being able to see my mistakes but not know how to correct them is getting to me. I don't want to force practice but I want to do more than 30 minutes a day. All of my motivation is coming from looking at what I drew a month ago and comparing it to today's sessions.

>something finally clicks
>feeling good at figuring out something new
>practice it for a bit
>suddenly dawns on me that it's exactly what vilppu told me to do in exactly the way he was doing it
every time

>>4485543
He is gesture, the form transformed

>>4485521

>>4485588

>>4485543
This happens to me too. I follow his videos, get frustrated, go rogue, re-invent something Vilppu already talked about. It happened with the idea of "bracketing". The sides of the form, show its direction/orientation. Get the brackets right and you get the directions right.

im doing this right?

How do I make something not look flat?

>>4485726
read Keys to Drawing and do the exercises
then read Fun with Pencil and do the same

>>4485726
Correct underlying 3D structure based on arranging planes in space in perspective. Understanding simple volumes like cubes/spheres/cylinders and how they are used to construct a drawing.
If your lineart alone doesn't look not-flat then shading and color rarely helps. That's the biggest takeaway.

>>4485712
no

>>4485738

really? I fee like it is clicking, I can do these in 10 seconds now

>>4485740
doing them fast doesnt mean a lot

>>4485740
>i can do these in 10 seconds
well, don't.

More Bargue studies. The only one I'm happy with is the bottom right and it's also the one I finally understood how you're supposed to build the lines.

>>4485741
>>4485742
but you guys said to do them quickly

>>4485755

>>4485755
Who did? Anyway don't listen to him, he's a retard.

I don't know, I think this is pretty good for 5 days of learning

>>4485766
Draw on a larger canvas.

>>4485768
i'm running out of paper

critique? left to right - recent to oldest.

Alteast im trying right?

>>4485763
I did, because it helps him get mileage and also not worry too much about how his shit turns out.

>>4485740
I can see you improving, work on your lines now, long and fluid.

>>4485782
>mileage
>not worry how his shit turns out
post your work, you stranger motherfucker

>>4485782
You don't understand what mileage is. If you keep churning shit out without regard of noticing and fixing your problems you'll stagnate.
Fuzzing for hours over a single image is bad, but rushing shit is also bad.

>>4485796
ok, not great but recent doodles from when I had time off at work

>>4485804
Idk man. How I learned. Maybe won't work for everyone and I'm no pro but whatever, at least he's drawing

>>4485017
Thanks for the advice

Thoughts on this? Very stylized but does it look good?

>>4485413
To be honest he already can feel the form, so he already has an advantage

>>4485781
Did you learn anything?

should I do these frequently/daily?
>>4485622
>>4485521
should I also do 3 points ones?

>>4485779
Are you drawing on a burned paper?

even when I draw animu it is not as flat anymore

still I don't know how to do hard angles

>>4485833
i just don't know how much of those eureka moments you're going to have if you're not scrutinising your work at this stage, y'know?
but desu drawing at all -- you're going to get there in the end.

>>4485850
He propably turned the saturation all the way to the max so his lines are actually visible, it's propably just some shit/light-

>>4485869
>>4485850
i scanned it on my phone and the paper was folded

>>4485804
>>4485833
I should clarify, that's also why I qualified it with "too much"

Yes, if you see something off in your drawing change it, but a lot of people here are just going to quit or get discouraged when they're /beg/ tier and we post a long and detailed message about why their drawings suck that they don't have the understanding to use

They're honestly here for encouragement and simple advice, so that's what I tried to give

Drawing them very quickly will force him to simplify, which is really what he needs to do right now, but I also didn't say that when I should have, you guys are right

We're on a Mongolian basket weaving forum and people should take an anonymous asshole's opinion with a grain of salt anyhow

>>4485865
Have you drawn a square or triangle in your life?

I don't know how to portray emotion...
I'm trying to go with sad here, but they seem so stale?
anyways, pointing out anatomical issues would be appreciated..
(I can't draw feet either...)

>>4485877
yes but i'm bad at the drawing a cube from every angle exercise

>>4485878
left looks zonked out of their mind
right looks kinda pissed
feel me?

>>4485878
I think those look good you can see that they are sad. On think you could do is to draw them hanging their heads or covering their faces with their hand or just turning away hiding their face from the onlooker.

>>4485878
these are great get out of beg

I think I might be a furry.

>>4485874
>scanned it on my phone
that's called a photograph
or you got a usb-c scanner or some shit?

>>4485891
yeah I feel you, anon
>>4485892
well, I'm trying to draw the poses as well as the facial expressions... So I don't want them not showing there faces, y'know?

>>4485899
have you ever tried to draw a convincing 3d object with depth?

>>4485900
c-scanner

Took a break from the drawabox grinding to try and copy a pose I liked. I know it's still shit but I feel kind of surprised I managed to make it kind of passable. Figured it can't all be grind, need to take breaks to actually draw stuff you want.

>>4485906
Apparently not.

Uploaded in wrong direction. Took a break from lesson 1 Drawabox grinding to try copying a coomer pose I liked. I know it's shit but I'm actually kind of surprised it doesn't look as bad as I usually do. Maybe there is something to grinding technique. Long way to go.

>>4485935
I'm retarded, oh well

I'm new to digital painting.

Thoughts?

>>4485990
Do you know any nice tutorials on basic shit like how to set up and take advantage of different brushes and functionalities?
I know how to use the programs, but have never really used them for painting.

>>4484227
You have a very common problem where you are slanting the face in one direction. Every face you draw probably has this problem. You need to flip the canvas or look at it in a mirror. And go back and forth with your drawing. Over time you'll become better able to see the asymmetry before you flip it.

>>4485026
Nice. Work on perspective but I like the color and detail.

>>4485102
Why did you do so much constitution to end up with such a basic little cartoony doodle?

>>4485990
Good, but push your values and use a brush with a harder edge so you have to learn to define the planes of the face, and can't just get it "good enough" from blending

I think this would look much better with a dark or black bg

>>4485410
i mean you can argue with him but the fact of the matter is that most the people in /beg/ would be considered good by people who don't actually draw or regularly visualise figures in their heads.
most the feedback you'll ever get from physical people is "oh, that looks good" or "thats bad" without extrapolating on specifically why.

>he doesn't draw with Reilly rhythms
FOOL

ok this is 5 days since I opened fun with pencil for ths first time in my life, i don't think it is too bad

>>4484662
>>>/d/
>>>/aco/
>>>/u/
>>>/h/
>>>/gif/
>>>/hc/

>>4484613
Just letting ya know I really appreciate your advice, I'm taking more time to figure things out here and hopefully I don't fuck it up while inking.

>>4486100
forgot image, gib feedback please. I'm a dumb to

>>4484662
you can really smell pussy from the model? is that normal?

>>4485840
That's a badass Armor

>>4486119
Nice to see another guy who draws knights
>>4486137
Thanks anon! It was quite a challenge trying to figure out how to put imposing armor on such a small body.

Why do I sometimes make people look more Asian than they are?

>>4485840
?

>>4486184
looks like someone put a filter over it in the second picture. I only unloaded the one

>>4486182
Not enough depth on the nose makes it look flat. In general lack of strong shadows on the face makes it look flat.

>>4486182
Post your ref, hard to say right now

I would guess it's because you're not defining the planes of the face enough, azns tend to have softer and rounder faces with more curved transitions, while whites, blacks, natives, etc generally have bolder and more defined features, especially the men. maybe it's that?

The cheekbones are also very broad, and the eyes dark with some room between them and the sides of the head. I would also guess the eyelid could be more pronounced and defined

why

>>4486204
Nice screaming cyclops. Reminds me of "The scream"

>>4486204
is this a vagina? what's the rest of that junk?

>>4486235
Just my opinion/suggestion, anon (not really in a position to do critiques).
I think it'll look much better without the shading lines...

>>4486248
where do you get your references anon?
desu, it's a tiny bit jank but i like what you've posted today.

>>4486253
mostly printerest... sometimes I have to specifically google what I want

>>4486248
Don't be so modest. You've got real talent and a nice aesthetic, bucko

>>4486248
Yea, it's a bit jank with the shading I'm using. I can't not do lighting though, I have to figure out how to do it better without using a shit ton of ink.

>>4483761
hows this look lads?

>>4486283
Either you cut off the feet at the ankles or those are tiny baby feet

>>4486303
yeah i havent drawn the shoes

>>4483761
I got a very limited time for drawing. Around half to an hour daily. I draw quick study or a sketch from life and a digital sketch for a /vp/ daily draw thread. I feel I'm stagnating at a beg level. How do I make the limited time I have matter?

thingken bout freeman...
tried to draw half life creatures from memory

>>4486332
thats a vagina

>>4486332
Really like that combine soldier!

>>4486334
ya got me

>>4486335
thx

>>4486283
the neck looks massive. also liefeld would be proud.

>>4486351
ouch that hurt anon, but i can see the neck thing

>>4486316
you're gonna have to find more time, sucks if you're a family man or a swamped salary man.

but in the most likely case since this is 4chan... less videogames, anime, and jacking off. there you go loads of free time.

>>4486367
Sadly, I think, I fall into the 1st category, at least outside of the corona isolation thing.

I just want to make every drawing to be an improvement. At least, I (mostly) draw daily.

>>4486157
Where's your knight?

Im stuck. Where should I start improving. Simple shapes, perspective, larger grid?

I drew my green tiddy oc

>>4486440
pose reference

>>4486443
>>4486440
why didn't you use your reference

>>4486445
why arent you straightforwawrd about what he needs to do instead of being backhanded and sarcastic?

>>4486473
the angle's totally different. everything's different. how could i begin to explain what he's done 'wrong'?
i'm being straightfoward-- they didn't use the reference.

>>4486473
not him but are you serious your drawing does'nt match the ref at all

>>4486480
so you're bad at communicating verbally. do a redline.

>>4486445
>>4486480
>>4486484
mfw anons think using ref must be a 100% photocopy

>>4486473
he isnt being sarcastic, the ref is a completly different angle than the drawing thats why he said that, if someone gonan use ref even if you modify it at least keep it the angle you want if its for anatomy ref purposes

>>4486489
If you don't want people to compare it to the reference, don't post it lmao.

>>4486489
i can't see how they've used the reference at all.
also they said 'pose reference'.
>>4486486
>bad at communicating verbally
extremely ironic, autismo.

>>4486489
>only use one minuscule part of the ref
>post ref used
>wtf why is everyone calling me retard for barely using the ref

>>4486501
>>4486508
>Implying I have to be the OP to point out when begs say stupid shit

>>4486514
>Implying I have to be the OP to point out when begs do stupid shit

which one is better to grind first, fun with a pencil or drawing with the right side of brain?

>>4486521
drawabox

>>4486514
>reference
>different body type
>different angle
>different pose
>>retard begs saying it has to be a photocopy
>>professorsnape.jpeg

>>4486480
>>4486484
>>4486497

the blind leading the fucking blind, jesus christ

>>4486440
your neck muscles and nipples suck
the trapezoid and mastoid on either side wouldn't be in such neutral positions with the rotation and tilt of the head like that

try turning and titling your head like that, and you'll feel the muscles pinching (on her left) and stretching (on her right)

don't listen to crabfarts

>>4486546
can you say something of substance, buddy?

>>4486553
do you know what a trapezoid is and what vertebra breaks up its striations? no googling, little one

>>4486556
tell me one (1) parallel between the reference and the drawing anon posted.

>>4486562
guessed as much këk

but let's bite the bait sure
naked woman, head tilted (x axis) and rotated (z axis) towards her left shoulder, both have somewhat curlyish hair (that the poster fucked up)

he changed the angle and executed it in a mediocre fashion and yall lost your absolute minds

> what vertebra breaks up its striations

seventh cervical, on the spinous process, to answer my own questions since 3iq crabs can't pretend they know shit

>>4486562
nice deflection

maybe if you could rev up your one tiny little brain cell enough to think you could imagine the same pose BUT WAIT

now it's at a slightly different angle! It's almost like he used his creativity to fill in the blanks from the photo to use for his own drawing

>>4486556
This is a weird flex

>>4486579
it's basic artistic anatomy, the trap is the biggest muscle on the upper back and the 7th vertebra is the most prominent central landmark that tells you the orientation of the torso since the rest of the spine is covered by the erector spinae and the scapulae can move around when the arm does shit

>>4486577
>>4486574
ree

>>4486582
I'm going to ignore the fact that you're being strangely condescending while calling the trapezius the "trapezoid", and rather point out that while knowing what the traps are and where they are located is common knowledge, the fact that their "striations are broken up by the seventh cervical vertebrae" is definitely not something every artist must know in order to draw well (although I'm sure many do). The phrasing and condescension is definitely what puts that whole dialogue in "weird flex" territory, though

>>4486101
Looks a lot better than your previous one, but her facial expression is a thousand yard stare, cranium looked weird in the back of her head. Eye on the wrong place. If you are drawing in paper, flip it and put it against the light to invert it and look for mistakes.
5 min edit again adjusting the proportions with transform and a couple extra lines.

>>4486023
It was moreso just a practice in process, normally I'd do something a bit larger and more detailed

20+ posts about who has the bigger dick.
Only 1 person really tried giving feedback to the post that was the cause for the whole mess.
Imagine if beg put half as much effort into drawing and critique.
Everyone in these Threads would be gmi within the year.

Still watching some Karl gnass to push my figures further.

>>4485895
Where should one go if /beg/ is not enough?

>>4486687
/draw/ or /alt/, probably /alt/ for you

>>4485779
right looks best to me

What's the difference in mindset between ngmis like me who struggle to practice drawing more than an hour everyday and the intensely obsessed artists who practice drawing like a bodily function, forgetting to eat and drink and getting annoyed when they have to stop?

>>4486440
why use reference when you're not going to use reference

>>4486525
even though drawabox literally tells you in the first chapter to not grind his exercises ?

YoU JuSt NEeD TO DraW WhAt YOu See BrO

>>4486724
wrong actually. You need to draw what's there, not what you see.

>>4486719
wtf dude. Keep going. It's just a sketch. Everyone sketches. Don't abandon your drawings when you are 1/4 of the way.

>>4486726
nearly every beginner drawing resource/video tells me to "draw what you see" instead of what i think.
I get what they mean, i just don't see anything beyond the lines which i end up drawing wrong/from my head anyway.
no matter how hard i stare at the paper.

>>4486731
I'm saying the same thing. It just takes practice, keep at it. post your work and the reference and i'll give you an example.

>>4486719
Thats a rough sketch with a lot of chickenscratch. Lower the opacity of the rough sketch layer and make a new sketch layer one over it, this time with cleaner lines.
Keep doing this whenever you feel like cleaning your work, while refining the grasp of those poses.

>>4486734
heres a quick one i did today, ill post ref separately

>>4486731
yeah, your eyes are basically useless at the start.
use your pencil in the air to help. hold it parallel with your face and check how things line up, which way angles actually slant, how drastic curves really are. trace over things in the air as if you were drawing on glass to find what the real shape that's hitting your eyes is.

>>4486734
>>4486747
fuck, thought I'd cropped it enough

>>4485990
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/craftsmanship

>>4485755
got a good laugh from this
>>4486648
I like this kind of line work
>>4486652
This looks like it was made online, is there a technique to doing this? I've been using the pen tool to get my shapes and the brush tool to sort of give the outlines? I have a lot of questions and areas to improve so tldr any advice welcome. Done in Illustrator/Photoshop.

>>4486731
this is what that means. you're missing a ton of details that make the image look like what it does. It just requires practice and mileage.

>>4486747
still waiting for ref

>>4486731
exactly. you're not drawing what you see, you're drawing what's in your head.

I'll get this right one day.

I can't draw really. Even when I do simple shapes and lines in a cartoon style everything is awkward and there is no sense of proper size and perspective. It's clumsy. I've always had messy handwriting and I'm worried that this will never really be fixed. Anons, please give me some practical solutions to make things work. I've been an "artist" for only about a month and can make a few somewhat appealing small doodles with freehand, but I can't build anything worthwhile that looks planned or proper. I've looked at the basic art fundamental lessons but it hasn't stopped me from being clumsy and spontaneous.

>>4486797
i know, it's difficult because I'll stare at the picture for a while trying to note what it is i should be drawing but the second i look away from the image to my paper its like my brain just flushes the toilet and all of it goes out the window until eventually everything turns into a completely new image than it should be.
I'm trying the method of breaking down images into basic shapes, but even that is difficult for me to do and at that point I'm literally just drawing over the picture mindlessly.
I think i might just be a bit mentally stupid.
thanks for highlighting the particularly egregious parts though like the complete change of arm direction.

>>4486867
try spending moree time in the sketch phase blocking in the areas you intend to work on later.

good art is 90% solid foundation 10% rendering

>>4486878
yeah, i definitely need to instead of just shitting out a ten minute drawing and wondering why it doesn't look like something that took a few solid hours to do, can get lost in the bigger context of things.
thanks for responding anon.

>>4486910
np. spend time on your art, one of the BIGGEST pitfaalls that /beg/s fall into (im still recovering from it myself after all this time) is never learning to finish art. Follow-through is a skill in itself and never practicing the "late game" of art is like practicing sprints for 10 years and then trying to run a marathon and dying after the 3rd mile

>>4486923
cute proportions

>>4486918
yeah, for the most part I'll finish whatever i set out to do, i think it helps to have multiple drawings on the go, simpler ones you start and finish that day and then the more carefully done ones you space out over a week or few days.
i think it's also good to never really shy away from something, if you have an idea you should always try to draw it and never compromise on exactly what you want, even if you know it'll look bad.
I'm just stuck trying to get out of drawing from my head and also tagging my self esteem along with the "art" i produce, both of which are hard to do.
thanks again anon, this has been quite a constructive conversation.

Need some help with shading hair and clothes

>>4486938
np gl

>>4486940
you need to solidify your forms before it can be helped by a light source. Everything is very flat and formless

>>4486944
What do you mean by solidifying forms?

>>4486923
homu homu best drawing in the thread

>>4486768
>This looks like it was made online
I dunno what that means.
>is there a technique to doing this?
For drawing not really, I just use the brush tool and draw like I would traditionally.
As for shading still trying to figure out how to do that best digitally,
The one on the left is directly painted over the drawing
and the one on the right I tried creating a new layer defining the borders of the figure filled it in with a base value and then created a clipping mask layer to push around the darker and lighter values.
I don't actually think I can give you any advice since you work fundamentally different from me never worked with the pen-tool since I always thought it isn't really good for anything.
The closest I could think of that was somewhat like what you're doing with good results was https://youtu.be/HSAhbX6Ubgw
But I feel like you really need to know what you're doing on a fundamental level to pull that off.

>>4486953
you're not thinking in terms of 3D forms when you draw (using cubes, cylinders, spheres, cones). If there aren't planes for a light to bounce off of and wrap around, then your drawing will seem two-dimensional

>>4486964
True. I never learned drawing basic shapes but only learned by drawing lines, thats why all my drawings feel flat. Thanks

>>4486981
I carefully use the word form instead of shape. shapes are two-dimensional, forms are 3D.
I notice you made a sphere with a guideline in the center to properly position your face and then ignored it when you went to draw the features, there's no point doing that if you don't stick to the lines you lay out.

>>4486842
man, WAY too much stuff for me to point out, features are misplaced, right eye sliding out from it's position, hair is deformed.
I made a 5 minute edit, but there's just way, WAY too much stuff to fix and I got no patience for that. Use better proportions and forms and FLIP your drawing so you can look for mistakes. Use more sinuous lines.

>>4486731
Do some blind contours.

Start somewhere and trace the outline/forms with your eyes as you do it with your hand on the paper.

Don't lift up your hand and don't look. How it turns out is irrelevant. This is about the exercise of seeing, and not of actually getting anything good on the paper.

>>4487017
Oh lawd. I scanned and flipped three times. I probably need to try a different approach. Thanks again lad. I'm gonna go lay in bed and contemplate things.

>>4487021
blind contours are pointless unless you have literally never put a pen to paper

>>4487026
Why do my eyes slide everywhere, I'm going mad. Time to do nothing for the rest of the day.

>>4487060
check your guidelines before you put the eyes in you dope

>>4487065
I'm literally retarded, I do check quite a lot.

>>4487028
Then why did the old masters do them?

Besides, they're fun

>>4486960
>>This looks like it was made online
>I dunno what that means.
Shit, call it a brain fart. I meant on the computer, yes digitally.
>But I feel like you really need to know what you're doing on a fundamental level to pull that off
I guess I could go to the sticky I bet it's got a basics for fundamentals cause if I can wrap my head around that I'll understand how to go at it instead of just guesswork. Also thanks for the video link I'll check that out.

>>4487074
the eyes are ok, the lips are fucked up; move them closer to the far side of the face. they're not vertically down from the nose at this angle, but there's a sloping/diagonal philtrum between the nose and top lip

>>4487060
>>4487065
holy fuck dude, that's some basic level perception. I'll try to explain this in this dumbest way possible. Just look at yourself in the mirror.
Basically, the more you turn your head to one side, the more your eye will seem to be closer to your nose. But instead of doing that, your are doing some weird reverse shit with the character's eyes sliding away from where they should be with the same thing happening to their cheeks, with the face growing to the side the character is turned.

There, got it?

>>4487028
pyw

>>4487120
Yep that explanation is pretty dumb alright
*sigh* I wish there was somebody better helping other people out here on /beg/ tonight but it seems we are stuck with this ms paint shitter. those are the worst reference lines I've seen on /ic/.

>>4487172
>*sigh*
dont be a faggot anon.

>>4487172
*yikes*, like bro that explanation is super DUMB like, better use ADVANCED MATH FORMULAS MEDICAL ANATOMY BOOKS AND SUPER IN DEPTH EXPLANATIONS ABOUT PERSPECTIVE AND HOW TO PERCEIVE STUFF TO A COMPLETE BEGINNER instead of making a quick mspaint edit *sigh*. Those edits of yours are TERRIBLE, I'm sure *I* can do it a LOT better!

JUST started Eviston's course on fundies. Rate my raptor/bird hybrid monater and please give me some advice I am kinda lost here.

>>4487195
replying like this makes you just as much of a fag as he is.

>>4487208
That's was my intention.

>>4486923
I saw this in /wwd/ it was lovely.

Still grinding some Bargue today. When you draw with simple lines you have to pay attention to so many details that you otherwise miss. Very good practise.

Bored of loomis

>>4487213
No, it makes you a faggot as a person.

>>4487343
yeah whatever shitter, go do some more redlines in ms paint.

>>4487346
pyw and i'll redline it punk bitch.

>>4483761
GIMME A HUG MAN

After a couple days of Bargue I thought I'd go back and try some gestures again to see if it's done anything to them.

>>4487411
I don't think Bargue will give you gains in gesture. It will help you in sight-sizing and negative space though, as somewhat already shown in your "gestures" (they're more of contour drawings then gesture)

>>4487446
I think it's helping me see better. Maybe not gesture but it's helpful for the next step after gesture.

how can i stop copying the reference and actually understand the reference

Sketched this up in an hour and from what i can see
>forehead too bog
>ear seems out of place and not at all connected to her head
>hair is meant to be in a bun but is all over the place
>lines are to obvious and lacks dimension
>abosolutely gave up on the lips as cant realistically make it out that her teeth are apart of her aswell
>she looks to calm in my drawing, when her reaction is much of an irriated and tired look

This is also my first time dealing with shading from a side angle but i think i picked something with too many lighting angles, what do anons think?

>>4487520
heres the references

How do I hair

>>4486440

dont listen to those "YoU DiDnT UsE YoUr ReFeReNcE"-shitters.

your problem here is, youre way out of your skill-zone.

youre not thinking about 3d form. you know absolutely no anatomy. i could go on and on here.

if you really want to improve your paintings, do some figure and anatomy studies and try to be very critical with yourself.

what book study to understand head proportion so i can draw at difernet angle? no loomis plz his heads ugly

Trying to use what I learnt so far from Bargue to lay out a portrait. Jesus it's so fucking hard. The example portraits in the Barque course look so nice even as just straight lines it's amazing how good they are at figuring out what's important and what's not.

>>4487520
Measure more, anon. Look how different your neck-face proportions and angles are compared to the reference. Avoid adding features until you're sure you've nailed the big shapes. Try overlaying when you are finished, but don't rely on it during drawing.

>>4487546
Start by having proper anatomy first.

where to learn hwo to draw head angles

>>4487662
unironically loomis

although basically every teacher (vilppu, huston, proko, etc) has material on heads

I dont feel like im learning,

>dont listen to those "YoU DiDnT UsE YoUr ReFeReNcE"-shitters
>use references to try and improve
what did he mean by this

>>4487664
god damn it the face has so many planes im feeling draw the rest of the owl

>>4487782
>>4487782
>>4487782
>>4487782

>>4486546
I got 5 replies and one useful one- Her trapezoids aren't flexing around her necks correctly.
Should I lean harder into the hentai puffy nipples?
>>4487582
Your grip on painting forms is obviously way better than mine but buddy- that face is profoundly off-putting. By not placing a hard shadow under her jaw- it looks like there isn't one at all. Her head looks like a polyp
Yes I totally want to do some figure drawing but I'm quarantined and I can't go to the regular live model figure drawing in town.
As such I'm just doodling the photos I find on the internet.
Today I think I'll try some value studies on primitives. More at 11.

>>4488523
why are begs like you always stuck on those minor details.

i just showed you how to introduce form and perspective and mood with a quick overpaint. take as much as you can get from that and dont get lost in details like missing shadows (but youre actually right though)

there are tons of resources online, quarantine isnt even remotely close to being a justifiable excuse.

you need anatomy to get the feel right, not to get the anatomy right.

if you cant see how youre lacking dynamic in your painting, i STRONGLY advise you to improve your visual library. thats actually the most fun part about art. just soaking in other peoples art and mentally jerk off to pretty stuff.

watch some videos. so much to do.

dont you have this itch to get that feel into your painting? like the "good" artists seem to be able to do

nipple type, facial type. its preference. or style or whatever. focus on that after you can render simple forms. after you know how to chose sexy colors. after you know how to construct a sexy gesture.

and yes i need to work on that too.

just dont be so anti. and try to consume everything around you. like a sponge.

again: DONT FOCUS ON DETAILS SO SOON. GET THE BIGGER PICTURE RIGHT.

RANT OVER

my first drawing of an animal