/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

I'll never ngmi

My art boyfriend left me again.

I WANT TO STILL DRAW WITH YOU AND SHARE WORK.
IF I MADE A MISTAKE OR YOU DON'T WANT TO COMMUNICATE WITH ME ANYMORE AT LEAST LET ME KNOW PRIVATELY.
I WILL RESPECT YOUR DESCION AND MOVE ON.
BUT LEFT AS IT IS, SEEING YOU SPECFICALLY AVOID ME AND COMMUNICATE WITH OTHERS IN THE SAME ART GROUP IS VERY PAINFUL.

>>4478208
i wasted my sophomore and junior years of college being depressed and drawing instead of having threesomes or fucking tight young pussi

my gf is being too much of a distraction
i grind all day but all she wants to do is talk and hang out and i cant fucking stand losing the focus i can barely get to draw

>>4478208
FOR FUCKS SAKE. STOP SAYING YOU WILL NEVER MAKE IT. WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOME CHINK'S OR SOME GOD TIER MASTER'S ART YOU SHOULD FEEL INSPIRED THAT YOU ARE GONNA BE AT THAT LEVEL. YOU ARE BEG AS FUCK NOW AND YOU WILL GET OUT OF IT. KEEP IN MIND YOU THINKING THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA MAKE IT IS THE FIRST BEGINNER STAGE TO ART. THIS STAGE DETERMINES IF YOU CAN ACTUALLY KEEP GOING IN ART WHICH YOU WILL.

NEVER FEEL DOWN, NEVER GIVE UP. MY CAPS LOCK SHALL PREVAIL IN INSPIRING YOU SIMPLE-MINDED ANONS THAT THE REASON YOU ARE STILL POSTING YOUR IDIOTIC WOE IS ME POSTS ON THIS BOARD IS BECAUSE SOMEWHERE DEEP INSIDE YOU STILL HAVE A PASSION FOR ART. YOU CAN STILL IMPROVE AND CHANGE YOUR MINDSET.

YOU ARE ALL GONNA MAKE IT NO MATTER WHAT.

I don't get gesture drawing. What do you mean draw the gesture and not the contour when I try to do that you can't even call the drawing a human, from my point of you your examples of gesture drawing have contour. Like seriously what does it mean to feel the form how can you feel it I want to know, I watched Proko's vid lots of time, read hampton, watch vilpuu and I still don't get it. I mean I get it when I'm watching and then I try to draw the gesture and it's just shit and when I think I did well and post it on /beg/ you fucker tell me I didn't do a gesture drawing because I drew the contour fuck off I hate all of you.

>>4478208
I wish I had friends who are better artists than me so I could get actual critique outside of "oh that's pretty good anon" like no shut the fuck up everything I make fucking sucks and I need people to tear it apart so I can learn and improve

>>4478257
Have you talked to her about it?

>>4478208
Drawing has started to give me fucking painful headaches due to frustration. I don't know what to do anymore. I hate this feeling of stagnation.

>>4478308
I haven't enough, i'm bottling it in anon because i know she doesn't get much social contact with the rona and isolation, and I'm her best friend :\

might need to talk to her about it more seriously though youre right

I don't know how to finish things. It's probably the biggest reason I'm not gonna make it,

I feel good already, will it get even better?

i don't enjoy drawing. the only thing i achieve in each session is a new understanding of how fucking bad i am at it, which of course makes me feel like garbage. if i continue trying i will eventually git gud, but to what end?

i create because i don't want to mindlessly consume the works of other people. i don't like consuming other people's work because it feels like a tacit acknowledgement that they're better than i am, and nobody is better than i am. i am better than them but that's not evidenced in my skill or abilities because of course in reality i am shit. the zenith of my craft, if ever i actually achieve it, will only ever be a way for me to rub my superiority into the faces of other people. a self-serving exercise in pride.

what i actually want is to be part of a community of likeminded people who are enthusiastic about the same things that i am enthusiastic about, so that we can create together. but i'm awkward and lonesome and i don't get along well or easily with other people, so that will never happen. i didn't choose to be this way and i don't like being this way, so it feels even more unjust when i eventually realise that, once again, nobody in the group likes me and i should just leave. with every passing day i grow more resentful at this arbitrary typecasting, which only increases the pressure on me to prove my superiority through my work - which i can't do, so inevitably fail at doing and feel even worse because of the greater pressure.

what then is the solution to all this? i don't see one. instead i foresee a life of middling achievement shared with no-one, and eventual death. my body will probably rot in an apartment undiscovered for months.

>it will get better
it hasn't so far, and if it does it will only be because i have lost something essential to myself - destroying any possibility that any of the art i may eventually create could ever be truly insightful

to be or not to be. that is the question.

>>4478301
We can fix that, anon. :^)

>>4478346
>nobody is better than i am. i am better than them
Ahahahahahahahahahahahah

>>4478320
Well, looks like you care enough about her. Good luck anon.

At first I thought I was disillusioned with the market, I thought maybe it was too saturated, too many fish, but I pulled through because I wanted to make art, not money. Then I thought I was disillusioned with myself, that maybe I wasn't disciplined enough, that maybe I've been studying wrong, that maybe it was my personality. But I pulled through because I wanted to make art, not become the best.
Then I realized why it always had felt so shitty: I was disillusioned with people. I don't believe in people. I don't know if I'm right or wrong, I just don't. They're weird and alien and I can't understand them. I can't like the art they like. I barely talk to anybody IRL outside of small talk, can't get any deeper than that. I regret it when I do. It's always like when you try to say an inside joke out of context and nobody gets it so there's that awkward minute of silence, so I try to act stupid to fit in and it works, but I don't want to. I always tell myself, no, this is isn't the right context. And it isn't, I can read people. It's just the same with art.
I can't go on like this. I enjoy art by itself but I it's impossible to survive like this. I don't know if it's me, if it's others, if it's just all in my head. I just need to believe that there's somebody out there. I can't be this useless and obsolete, there has to be somebody who thinks that what I do, what I am is acceptable. Not amazing, just acceptable.
I'm so fucking exhausted. This isn't that 20s depression shit, this is something else. I feel like an old horse who can't run that fast and doesn't go well with tourists, and nobody cares either way about it. So I just stay in my pen, I forgot how to run, I'm just sleeping and eating, slowly going crazy in the narrow space and waiting for the day when the man will take me to the slaughterhouse.
It doesn't even matter where I post this, here, Reddit, a shrink's file, a bathroom wall, a bottle in the ocean, it doesn't matter, nothing ever comes back.
Fuck.

>>4478215
why

FUCK i hate people who are way more skilled/talented than i am and waste it by drawing fucking UGLY ASS PEOPLE
I WANT TO GET FUCKING BETTER THAN THEM AND DRAW NOTHING BUT GRADE A FUCKING COOMER FUEL

happyboy will never notice me :(

I don't understand Twitter and no matter what I try I can't seem to gain followers there. I've tried pretty much everything I know of except for drawing lewds.

Perspective is the hardest shit to figure out. I read perspective made easy but I'm not sure how to truly implement those lessons into my art work. I don't wanna move on to Scott robertson since that's way harder. I do though get the maybe some concepts such as Oblique, Diminution, Foreshortening, Convergence, and Overlapping.

But when it comes to the technical stuff like when it starts introducing degrees, obtuse, acute, and angles it starts getting harder. Idk if that makes sense but basically I get the some concepts and I want some exercises to help me move on and understand. I also would like to practice putting it into my art as well.

>>4478346
>what then is the solution to all this?
Kill the ego. From everything you wrote its obvious that the source of your suffering is your gargantuan ego, so kill it. Or failing that, shrink it as much as you can.

uwehhh I never get any (You)'s and no one follows me even though i work really hard uwehhhh i jut want people to think i'm cool and appreciate my hard work uwehhhh

>>4478558
the guy in your pic is a pedo

>>4478558
I don't get any (You)s either it's so sad. They're like supereasy to get with shitposts but with art it's so haaaarrrdddd

i fucking want my computer fixed so i can return to digital because i realize how much i hate pencil and paper, its so much harder to correct mistakes and takes so much longer to fix.

>>4478574
If you have a decent smartphone you could try drawing on it while you wait for your computer Anonyan

>>4478208
This threads are for ngmi babies.

>>4478558
the guy in your pic is a serial mass shooter

>>4478293
Thanks Anon I feel a little better now

>>4478293

I can be proud of anybody, but ill never be proud of myself

I feel like something is wrong with my taste when people praise art that looks painfully mediocre.

>>4478632
>*Dies

I feel no matter how good I get at art it will always be a cuck discipline. Can you name one chad artist? Most good artists are beta males or homosexuals

>>4478208
I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COMIC ABOUT THE GREATEST IDEA OF ALL TIEM THAT I HAVE IN MY FUCKING HEAD I DONT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT DRAWING I JUST WANT TO TELL MY STORY WITHOUT WRITING BECAUSE WRITING IS WORSE GODDAMNIT

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>4479064
kjg, peter han, feng zhu

just be chinese anon

>>4479064
that's the price to pay for being able to make your fantasies real, for me? is worth at, in some months I'll make a comic with 50 issues of Elsanna, my dream come true and I'll do it, that's the best part

>>4479084
You need to be beta or asian, which is basically the same. Of those artists you mentioned kjg is the chadest

>>4479039
"The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long." - Lao Tzu

>>4478496
I don’t know he always is like this. He said he’s gonna put this site in his hostfiles and never see me again.

But his love is too strong for me so I’ll know he’ll come back in a few hours.

I don't know how the fuck anyone draws grass and all the tutorials I find online either have dogshit results or are some variation of "Uhhhh just draw the random strokes and uhhh do a little rendering here OH HEY one step after laying down the basic colors we've got a fully rendered landscape :)))" and it's making me want to break shit seriously how the FUCK do I paint grass?????

>>4479114
imply details

>>4479122
How though? Pic related is my most recent attempt at grass btw. I'm trying very hard and I'm looking everywhere for help but vague instruction doesn't help me at all, and that's all people seem to give me.

>>4478484
Similar situation here on several fronts. I doubt we're the 'same', but I can empathize.
One difference is that I've fully accepted my alienation and I don't consider participation a goal of mine. I'm perfectly happy to operate in my tiny bubble. That's a luxury, however, considering I have the means to sustain myself financially.

i realise im better off becoming an engineer instead of an artist

my asian parents treat me like garbage, it sucks that they would consider me a disgrace to the family if i became an artist while expecting me to be a master artist/musician/athlete just to have something to boast about. everyday its the same thing.

>go study anon

but when we're with friends and family they go
>why do you suck at art anon
>stop drawing cartoons anon
>why cant you draw anything good anon
>cant you paint something or make something we can display in the house?
>cant you draw anything realistic?
>make a family portrait anon

its so hard to even practice or develop my fundamentals because theyre always bitching about why i dont spend my time on something productive. i dont want to be an artist anymore. i just wanna be an engineer with a hobby. i hate being asian.

>>4479173
Any escape in sight?

>>4479173
Don't kill yourself anon. Become an artist and be broke, but at least you're alive.

I can't get myself to sit down and draw 50 heads, hands, legs etc. I really need to but I haven't convinced myself that it'll actually help for some reason. I finish pieces every day involving dynamic poses, hands and feet, but I just dont churn out focused parts in mass. I end up studying the parts and only draw them a few times and move forward create a new piece again. Anyone here actually ever sit down and draw 50+ of something and realize that it helped greatly the next day?

>>4479173
Doing something others want won’t make you happy in the end, anon. Hang in there and try to filter out every insult they hurle at you. Doing that will help your mental state. I kinda went through the samething you did and it helped greatly.

>>4479185
Maybe you just need an anime girl to take care of your training.

I resent all of my followers. I'm probably the only straight futa artist left. You probably just read the word "futa" and had the impulse to tell me I'm gay. But I assure you, I have zero interest in dating or fucking men. I only desire relationships with women.

Traps disgust me.
Trannies disgust me.
Shemales disgust me.
And trust me, this is a conscious decision made after years of keeping an open mind. I have concluded that the vast majority of them are broken pathetic degenerates. When I see someone new has followed me, and I check their profile, and it's some femboi sissy, I am disappointed. Part of me wanted to believe it was a female profile. But who am I kidding? Women don't follow for futa. Not even lesbians want to see dicks. Only some gross crossdresser desires this content.

You have no idea how it feels to genuine believe that everyone who is into futa are like you. That they are also straight men, who figured out how to remove men from the porn they consume. And then over the course of a decade, watch as everyone slowly reveals themselves to be trannies, sissies and crossdressers. Every. Single. One. Even the artists you respected in the past are now having tranny breakdowns on social media, and putting feminine pronouns in their profiles, and start spouting trans acceptance rhetoric.

I feel like the only sheep in a herd who wasn't a wolf in disguise.

>>4479341
Imagine needing to cope this much

>>4479346
Cope with what exactly? Are you supposing I'm gay?

>>4479341
You realize people are just being ironic for shits and giggles right? Why so serious?

>>4479363
Huh? So they're dressing up in women's clothes, shaving their assholes, and posting their femboy faces online as a joke?

>>4479373
He means the anons itt aren’t that serious about what they’re posting. This is just a shitposting thread to get off what’s on your mind without being too serious.

>>4479379
Oh... I see. Well, fuck it. I took it there.
I was actually scouring 4chan for a place to vent this. And then remembered /ic/, and happened across this thread, and it just seemed perfect. I needed a place to vent this, and this thread presented itself.

>>4479386
It’s all good, it’s not like adv board would be able to relate to you in any way.

>>4479386
If you’re popular or have a huge following and you vent/breakdown on your page, then there’s a high chance you would a thread made about you, especially if you’re a coomer artist.

>>4479341
I like futa and I don't consider myself gay

>>4479394
Hence why I came here to vent. I don't want to rant publicly and turn into an outcast.

>>4479182
im trying to study engineering abroad but covid19 is delaying everything, it sucks to be stuck at home for months with my family man

>>4479444
Can’t you just do something you find enjoyable to block out the shit you’re dealing with? Drawing doesn’t seem it will help, based on your post.

>>4479341
Trannies ruined futa for me too. I can't jack it off to futa anymore because i just see them as post transition trannies, the magic of female with cock is ruined thanks to them. It doesn't help that most futa artists now just draw shemale. Trannies ruin everything.

>>4479647
I don't even fap to the futa. That's too gay for me. So the whole idea if they have vaginas or not is meaningless. I mean, I'm not desiring the futa to get fucked. I want her to do the fucking. The only thing that I find hot about the futa, is her overall female form, and her ability to fuck like a monster. So that's why including a female is required to make the fantasy complete.

>>4479459
its sort of the expectation of drawing like rembrandt from my parents that bothers me more than actually drawing. i do love art, even if im not great at it.

tried practicing the guitar, and if i cant draw i just lift weights. if i cant get art gains then ill just get regular gains i guess, they've been good distractions. i still yearn to do art though

I will never be able to quickly draw a decent face. Every time I stop grinding faces and come back to them after a break, I draw like a day one /beg/ again. It's just impossible for me to retain anything or advance my skill at all. If you give me hours/days I can eventually beat a face into shape but it's so embarrassing to still be doing these ridiculous scribbles after more than a year of practice. It's extremely demotivating.

>>4479341
you sound gay tbqh senpai

>>4479692
>I don't even fap to the futa.
Gay

>>4478293
based mindset

>>4478293
based

>>4479341
>You probably just read the word "futa" and had the impulse to tell me I'm gay. But I assure you, I have zero interest in dating or fucking men

Not buying it, but I do share your point of view regarding the second paragraph.

People who take their imaginations and fetish too far and/or out of the bedroom need to hang on a cross.

>>4480316
>Not buying it
I get it. Not too long ago, I would have been outraged by your accusation, and call for my futaxfemale brothers to back me up. But I've now accepted that the majority of futa fans are actually queers, sissies and trannies. Only motivated by their desire to suck dick. Again, that isn't me. But I understand why you would think so.

>>4480327
For me it's "dicks = gay", simple as.

That's why I can only stomach futas if it's futa on female and the art is really fucking good but that's that. My line is drawn on dicks fucking vaginas not dicks fucking vaginas that has dicks on top of it.

I am sorry that your fetish attracts so many actual degenerates though anon.

>>4479173
if its a matter of them ridiculing your drawings (even if they are bad) i'd say just never show your family them, especially if non of them can actually draw either.
In terms of the career stuff, i'm in the same boat, stuck studying an academic degree i actually have no interest in, ultimately it comes down to you anon.
if art is that personally important to you and you know your parents won't kick you out, id say pursue it full time.
otherwise you can grind for a boring job you hate but have enough money left aside to pursue art in a limited capacity, which is what im doing.
I'll never be great, but it isn't about that for me, i still improve and drawing helps me relax.
I would like to draw a comic about future native american tribes at war with each other one day though.

>>4479185
well that's good because grinding is almost always worthless anyway, its not very economic to draw fifty heads in one day as you'll reach a point where you aren't even observing what your doing wrong anymore, space it out over a few days, that way your heads will be better formed and you won't want to kill yourself out of monotony

>>4480353
>"simple as"
>Proceeds to explain his nuanced acceptance of futa
You and I are actually fairly similar. I'm not attracted to the futa per se. It has to be futa on female for me. Futa on futa seems kind of gay to me as well.
To me, futa was just a way to subtract the male figure out of porn. Not a way to justify sucking dick.
Sometimes I draw futas alone. But in my head, I'm thinking "imagine this character, fucking a woman". Not "I wish I could suck her cock".
I use to think more people thought like I did. But I'm only now coming to terms with the fact that I'm a very small minority. Everyone else was actually desiring to suck futa cock.

>>4480316
>People who take their imaginations and fetish too far and/or out of the bedroom need to hang on a cross.
Nah. Human pets are based

>>4480316
btw half of art is about taking your imagination far beyond the bedroom

>>4480417
The most disturbing part about this picture, is that they look like siblings.

>>4480369
I see
Maybe I'll just do like 10 heads today and carefully observe. I wonder when I'll feel like taking a break. I've been drawing everyday for hours since last Jan now. I bet there are people who never get burnt out

Godamn it, the fuck is wrong with me. I have these ideas of things I want to draw, but for the life of me I can't start drawing them, I'll grab a paper, my brain will go full retard and I'll draw a bunch of nonsensical doodles instead. Its been weeks since I ever posted anything because I dont see the point of posting quick doodles. I can only assume either my focus is shit and my mind starts wondering about because of it, or I have really low confidence and fear I'll butcher my ideas.

>>4480518
That's because you havent developed the skills to make your ideas flourish. You need to practice and try them several times

>>4479341
You are one of the last beams of light in this deranged world. Please never change.

>>4478293
I want to be the very best. Like no one ever was. Anatomy is my real test, perspective is my cause. I will draw a walking man, and fuck up on the thigh. But I'm the don, of drawing hands, and clouds up in the sky.

>>4480420
disturbing?

>>4479341
I'm not into f*ta at all and I'd usually have joked at you not being straight, but I feel you man. I loathe these subhumans who cannot separate fiction from reality, there's nothing that disgusts me more than them. I'm glad my art doesn't attract this crowd, I don't know how I'd feel if that were the case.

I've been staring at this trying to figure out what's off, maybe about the anatomy, but it's just not coming to me

>>4478208
>want to escape old art friends
>draws furfag shit on a new account to throw them off
>when the old spark I had for art returns while drawing buff shark men

The only pride that remains is that animal cocks are still nasty and I would never tell irl people about this.

Uggghhhh it's so rainy and nice today.
Perfect weather to make coffee and draw while listening to it rain.
But I'm at work and I have wear gloves and a mask.

i lost my will to draw

>>4480123
motor memory anon. just keep doing it and keep correcting mistakes along the way, it gets easier. just like playing piano.

honestly someone should make loomis 2 and not use the fucking ugly ass potatoes
people want to draw cute girls not fucking old geezers

>>4481291
>he hasn’t found the cute girls book

>>4480809
I pushed the perspective a bit, hope this helps somewhat, nice idea for a composition.

>>4481388
I appreciate that, thank you

>>4481291
How do we do this? I'd do it myself but I can't draw because I haven't read loomis

On one hand I'm happy that I've been getting lots of commissions this year but on the other I miss times when I could give a few days to style exploration, trying new things and drawing from nature. Most of the jobs I get are not very challenging and I feel like it's gonna stay that way unless I start putting more ambitious projects up on my portfolio.

There was a farmer who had a dog and bingo was his name o

>>4481560
Outrageous. You shouldn't have to stand for that shit.

Art commissions in the modern day really are just another form of prostitution. Sometimes you'll get an outlier, such as a knight or a few wholesome portraits. Drawing a pair of big tits is fun here and there, but it's not worth the endless chargebacks and shit behavior that comes with that line of work, and your stuff getting retweeted by porn accounts, and getting cut off from the commissions I wanted from the beginning.

>sketched this while pooped :3

>made a cutesy thing for kids as a side job, clarify this is not what I usually do
>client: can you show me your regular work???? I am curious!!!
>select the most normie friendly thing I have
>he replies "ok"
Welp, I didn't want to keep doing this crap anyway.

>>4482314
>quick sketch I made today, here's a timelapse :3
>seasons quickly changing outside the window

>want to draw
>hands hurt from studying

Why did she fucking leave me?

I always feel my art is subpar compared to everyone else. I always feel inadequate

>>4478208
i feel like I'm progressing a little.
i half like this place and half hate it.
there are really comprehensive stickys and generals for easy quick feedback BUT there is also a pessimistic attitude that stagnates the place and discourages me from spending to long here as i know it will destroy my motivation to improve.
i don't know why some anons have to bag so hard on talent or no talent.
who gives a fuck provided you are actually progressing.

>>4478215
>Again
Keep him gone

>>4482556
probably because you're a loser who posts vague whining on an image board for angry bitter teens

>is art school dropout
>trying to get letter of recommendation for a job with the marine corp
>remembers that mr. schmuckatelli from 'figure drawing 101' in art school was a marine vet
>"oh, i should ask him for a recommendation letter!"
>check schmuckatelli's website
>he's a furry

>>4482789
The worst is when you realize you are subpar compared to everyone else in all things.

I just don't know anymore.

>finally work on a piece that seems promising
>be excited and ask for some critique on /ic/
>"it's trash kys no talent"
>man, they are right
>lose all motivation and abandon piece
>repeat over months
Fuck you guys I won't post any wip for critique anymore.

>>4483757
Greymuzzles are not the same. The fandom is so disgusting because it was taken over by LGBT.

>>4483840
Keep posting, and grow thicker skin. Ignore anyone who calls your work shit without offering any critique. Their opinion is worthless.

>>4483840
If someone's only critique is "ur bad" then they aren't worth listening to

>be me
>absolute day 1 /beg/
>watch Vilppu figure drawing lesson
>seems so natural, obvious, and intuitive watching him feel the forms to allude to action

HOW DOES HE FUCKING DO IT LADS WHY DOESNT MINE LOOK LIKE THAT RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

I can't draw circles or boxes im legit retarded

Blackpill time.
It's not that people here get really good at drawing and then leave the board forever, they stop coming to this board where they post and argue and mope all day and then they actually spend time drawing and learning.
It's not that this place is bad because you're all unhelpful, it's because you're all teenagers and young 20-somethings who think you're way smarter than you really are and are close minded and immature so it's almost pointless to try to have a real discussion, doesn't matter if it's about art or not.

Grow up and stop coming here. Stop roleplaying being an "artiste" and learn the craft and trade. Stop being a child and moping and acting like depression is an identity, everyone gets anxious you arent special. be an adult and do something you don't want to, deal with unpleasantness for once in your life and power through you fucking crybaby bitch.

>>4483952
That seems too easy.

>>4483930
because he is absolute day 20,000 /beg/

>>4483964
it's easy to read things. hard to do them

Sometikes i think wow i shouldve started drawing years ago id be good now but I remember I only got a desk and room of my own last year

>>4483973
best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago, second best time is today

>>4483978
I started 4 days ago, it is pretty satisfying stuff

My dream unironically is to become a furry porn artist, I unironically feel a deep spiritual conection between me and furry porn, I unironically want to die doing it. But it gets me every time to see people 10 years younger than me draw twice or thrice as good as me. I do not have talent, I may have a deep affinity for art but not technical talent to create astounding pieces. I see the patreons of some of my favorite artists and, for example, there's this german dude that is 1 year younger than me and he makes 9K a month in his patreon. It makes me feel small and incompetent all the time.

>>4483971
I will credit it to his pencil that lets him get a lot of line variation and shading whereas im /bic/ master race which is less forgiving

>>4484015
>blaming your tools

putting that one in my cringe compilation

>>4484012
>My dream unironically is to become a furry porn artist
> I unironically feel a deep spiritual conection between me and furry porn,
> I unironically want to die doing it

this has to be ironic

>>4484022
No, it is not. To me, furry porn is the epitome of art.

>>4484027
i hate to break it to you, but you're a dumb person. Just not very smart. My condolences.

>>4484036
I am not dumb, my IQ is above 100. I am just a deranged sociopath.

>>4484022
People like this are the reason why I wouldn't touch the furry community with a 10 foot pole even though I've been a raging furry as far as I can remember.

>>4484051
LOL holy cringe

>>4484075
he's joking brainlet

>>4483283
I can’t I won’t I love him so much.

>>4478538
I thought I was the only one who felt this way! I guess I am not alone.

I hate the fundamental black hole that /ic/, reddit and other online art communities often send beginners down.

A lot of people who made it basically have (or developed) no fear of failing. They made A LOT of finished pieces that looked like shit but they didn't care because they just wanted to make finished pieces. Studying specific techniques/fundamentals was just a component of getting those finished pieces done.

Anons here want to learn to make 5 star gourmet meals but they get obsessed with learning how to chop an onion paper thin in 2 seconds. They end up with 5000 fucked up onions after 2 weeks, get mad they aren't a master onion slicer and lose sight of the entire point of making a meal.

Some of the blame can be found with more experienced people trying to optimize fundamental training and losing sight of why the fuck you are even learning fundamentals as a beginner.

For example I saw a reddit post about step by step path for learning fundamentals. Step 1 was typical perspective and figure package of grinding boxes and faceless manakin forms. Completely devoid of excitement, story, satisfaction. Then the very last thing recommended at the end, months into this path was Scott Robertson's The Skillful Huntsman, which shows how concept designers work on a project to bring a story to life with character/creature/weapon/vehicle/environment designs through sketching and painting. This is the kind of thing that you should be showing to new people to see how to apply the fundamentals in an interesting way.

The first thing you should be teaching people is the bare minimum they need to turn the stories and ideas in their head into art they can show other people. When they start asking questions about how to do specific things better, that is when the boxes and manakin forms come in. But only to serve as improvement for their next finished piece, not as a goal unto itself.

>>4484084
poe's law. you've obviously not been here long

>>4478538
If you're trying to do it digitally, do it traditionally with a set square. Or stop giving a shit and trace 3D and photos like 99.9% of everyone

>>4484113
>The first thing you should be teaching people is the bare minimum they need to turn the stories and ideas in their head into art they can show other people.
If that's your objective, fine. But there's a reason why people want to focus on the technicality. Nobody gives a shit about content anymore, they only care about the delivery. Sadly it's like this. It only matters if it looks spectacular. Actually if you just want to turn your stories and ideas into art you're probably NGMI.

>>4484113
I will also add that the reason kids who draw have an advantage over people starting fresh at college age is not because the kids were grinding fundamentals since they were 10.
The advantage the kids have is that they have no fear of failure because drawing is like eating/breathing/shitting for them. Their enjoyment of it early on made drawing into a sustained habit and they don't even consider it something that can be failed.

Basically what Im saying is that the Just Draw meme and the Grind Fundies meme are both right and need to be balanced together. Just draw whatever you want and enjoy every day, without caring how good it is. But spend some time supporting your drawing time with some fundamental research and study, based on questions and problems you had with your previous drawings.

I just wish I could let it flow

>>4484143
I'm not saying don't focus on technicality. I'm saying people have no idea how to focus on technicality. The beginners here have no idea how to make a finished piece of production ready art and completely avoid attempting it. They stick to sketches and studies. They practice their layups for months and never play a full game of basketball.
For example if you want to be an environment artist you should be making 4-7 finished paintings a week, not grinding sketches of rocks for 2 months. The thumbnailing, call-outs and research for each piece should be where your fundamental practice comes in.

Any thoughts on European art schools? I've seen some in Italy that are ~€3000/yr with some good student work.

...Obviously I don't intend to go now though, given how it is.

I just can't get into digital. I was so excited when I finally bought a tablet a year ago but I'm kinda disillusioned. I have screenless deco pro and I cant even trace linework or draw a line at specified angle. Screenless feels like such a meme. And then all the hassle with the software, I know Photoshop but it gets slow and unstable. So I tried Krita, nice and stable but lot of functions missing, can't get used to different shortcuts and workflow. It is really tiring and after all it just feels so fucking good to pick up a pencil and a copy paper and finally draw without all this bullshit.

>>4484203
Same here anon, except i'm running out of paper which means i HAVE to use digital. Sucks ass

>>4478208
>have this insane eureka moment
>finally going to make it bros
>think of the one instance where this wouldn't actually work
>idea ruined
>back to the ngmi cave

Mentally ill spreading mentally illness and parrots doing parrot shit in the neighborhood, at least they are qt.
Will this affect my art?

Holy fuck how do i get pet hair off of kneeded ereases they just accumulate it like a magnet its so annoying to get it out

>>4484491
So don’t have pets

>>4484493
No i like my kots

>ywn draw hands properly at any angle
how do you overcome this hurdle

>>4484541
Have you tried drawing 1000 hands?

I'm not a weeb, I don't read manga or watch anime.

The one manga I like is Dragon Ball, and when I get down in the dumps about my art drawing and coloring DB stuff is the only thing that makes me happy.

But then I get depressed again because why can't I enjoy drawing and coloring my own stuff?

>>4484557
do i need to

>>4478208
Every second I spend browsing this board is time I should be using on loomis

I'm really tired and I just wanna quit art
I'll never be a good artist but I can't simply retire cuz I'm studying illustration rn and my parents would be disappointed ((((again))))

>>4478300
here's my noob take: the pros are infusing their expertise into their gestures but not saying anything because they don't realize it. their high knowledge of 3d shapes and anatomy is used in their works and it's presented to us like we can just do it. so don't worry about it, getting good at the other stuff will make your gesture better

>>4478300

Gesture is the motion in things that are stationary.

The most basic gesture is an arc. An arcing line implies motion and weight.

Put three balls on the floor, all in a line. What you have are three balls on the floor, there is no actual line. But the connection between them IS a line, it's just a connection made in your brain.

When you feel the form you're tuning in to that invisible motion. Feel water flowing over a rock, around a tree, down a bank. It's not a flat curve, it has weight and momentum and strength. It pulls and pushes. That is what you must feel, it's this invisible force that lives in everything.

You're not drawing contour because you're not drawing surface detail, you're drawing the flow from point to point. And like the river it has to have strength, it can't just sit limp like a wet noodle.

A gesture drawing isn't supposed to look like a real person. You draw gesture to put as much life and energy on the paper as possible, and then you build mass on top and sculpt that into anatomy and eventually break down to surface detail. And each layer you add over the gesture diminishes the raw power of the pure gesture drawing.

Do you get what I'm saying?

>Want to draw anime
>have zero outlet in life
>no job no money no friends just 4chan and family
>pain pain pain
>finally get good
>holy shit now every piece I make has to be at this level
>spend a month working on one fucking painting because I have to constantly reference my idols work to make sure that it has that anime feel
>zero creativity, zero soul, just visual novel plus random fandom
>slowly losing anykind of creative idea and instead its literally copying, copying copying. copy hair, copy shading, copy eyes, how did X artist solve this problem, how did X artist make this scene feel believeable, how do you stylize hands, feel faces and make it feel authentic like anime and not become tumblr

Idk man I am not ever going to stop but I will probably never be popular, break 500 on pixiv, or have anyone give a shit except maybe a grandchild who also likes anime and thinks its fucked up that the drooling retard locked in the basement waiting to die also liked it.

>you will never be actually good because you didnt start when you were a kid/ in their teens

i hate this

>>4485294
You´re doing all this shit and you're NOT popular?! Why the fuck would you subject yourself to this then? Just quit this shit and draw the way you want.

>>4484991
What disappointed them before

My day job make me so angry I hate my fucking coworker and I have to work during this fucking quarantine as well, I took a mortgage like a stupid fuck now I'm stuck for ten years...
When I get back home I'm so angry that I can't fucking draw.fdslnkgsfdjklgs,lm
HDOWN TO FUCKING MANGEGE YOUT ANGER GUSHZZ ?

>>4485520
I drink

>thread about artist X's newest work
>oh no no no no look at that anatomy/perspective
>it's actually decent what are you on about?
>haha back to /BEG/ /BEG/ /BEG/
>I doubt you can do better pjw
>is this your only argument, really?
>if you know it better you should be able to prove it in your works
>seething NGMI coomer (or insert other buzzwords)
why?

>>4485575
imagine being such a retarded coomer that you get upset when someone talks shit on the latest shit porn art you jerked off to
kys

>>4485583
If this was just happening to coomer art then fine I don't mind. But this happens to literally any big artists because the regular /ic/ fag can't cope with the fact that these artists have spend significant time and effort to get where they are while all they can do is pull everyone down and shitpost instead of improving. Also pjw.

>>4485575
>>I doubt you can do better pjw

this is the only legitimate statement from your list. if someone talks shit but has art like a kindergartner, posting their work reveals the farce

if it's kim jung gi's bastard son talking shit then i'd better listen

>>4485612
Someone talk shit about your favorite artist? That’s cute

>>4485520
Take contrast showers after work.

>>4485575
I like those threads, especially when there are good redlines or reasons behind the criticism. Im pretty blind to mistakes in coomer art so its a good wakeup call to pay more attention beyond the ass and tits.
People are generally good at critiques here they just aren't gonna be nice about it and often have crab motivations behind the critiques. Still valuable though as long as you translate their issues into which fundamental is at fault.

I'M SO FUCKING HUNGRY I CAN'T FUCKING FOCUS
AAAAAAAAAHHHHBHHBB

>>4485551
I've been sober for 18 days, I'm doing nofap no caffeine no alcohol.

I used to drink 6-7 coffee during work then went back home drink a 6pack jack off and go to bed but this is not a fucking life

>>4478256
I wasted the exact same years but instead of learning something valuable like drawing I just played videogames. Often not even that because of depression.

>>4486183
>I used to drink 6-7 coffee during work then went back home drink a 6pack jack off and go to bed but this is not a fucking life
b-based...

>>4486183
That's not a fucking life? Sounds you really fucking living it up anon. Absolutely based life unlike my weak self of only one coffee and zero pack.

Why do they start the books like this? don't they realise what I will feel when i see this?

>>4486177
Just eat lol

>>4486460

Pansy.

>>4478484
pranic breathing
Transformation Mastery

>>4478208
Why do people call him Proko
You're making a 50 something ukranian man sound like an anime girl
I legit thought anons were referring to some jap artist before learning who he is
Proko-chan

Stop it
Retarded
Don't like it

>>4486589
Also I HATE retarded terminology that doesn't make sense.
>nigga is drawing a fucking <insert object here> from reference
>"Yeah I'm doing a lamp study"
SHUT THE FUCK UP
wHY ARE YOU CALLING IT "STUDY"
YOU'RE NOT STUDYING ANYTHING, YOU'RE DRAWING A LAMP FROM REFERENCE
IT'S CALLED "PRACTICE"
STUDY IS WHEN YOU READ A FUCKING BOOK
AAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>4478208
I started grinding my fundies about 6+ months ago and have started seeing steady, real improvement for the first time in the 5 years I've been drawing. I'm both happy and mad at myself because I completely wasted the first 4+ years falling for the "just draw" meme.

Don't be like me guys. Fundies + deliberate practice is the only way to get them gains.

>>4486592
Are... Are you retarded?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Study_(art)

>>4478484
I feel the EXACT same way. It's an impenetrable loneliness. I think we are the sort of people that are born to do a specific thing. To burn out like a match, quickly and ferociously... I want to become one with whatever it is that I'm doing. Fuck people, fuck society, fuck everyone. If they come, fine. If they get it, fine. I'll just keep doing it until the day I die.

>>4486606
>a study is a drawing, sketch or painting
Which is retarded

>>4486592

The worst is weebs who say "panelling."

Panelling is not a term in comic book vernacular, fuck off.

>>4484499
well stop erasing cat fur and wrap it in plastic when you're not using it.

how do i stop getting angry when drawing? when i cant get something right i become apathetic and dont feel ass to fix it or i get so pissed off when i try to fix it i start breaking my pencils.

>>4486657
Have you tried just not being angry

>>4486624
have you ever drawn anything in your life? do you not feel that the act of looking and drawing in in fact a form of study, a form which is greater in value to an artist than any amount of reading can ever be? personally I think if you're not approaching drawing with the mindset of a student in front of a book than you're going to improve very slowly if at all.

in short. u r retarded

>>4486660
Yeah but my copes are not good copes like taking it out on inanimate objects

>>4486589
he's 34 just looked it up, and he calls himself Proko, short for Prokopenko

he's Russian from Odessa, not Ukrainian

>>4478552
How?

>>4486701
not precious anon.

But how?

You must know best.
You keep wanting something but still at the same time keeping yourself above other.

That's not how it work if you want smething - you can't ask either for love.
Love comes unexpected and if you reject it for whatever reasopn and don't try to give the same love in your way, so the other person has not to suffer you have to let your ego let go - only this will keep you free from your struggle.

Do it cause you wan't to love it and not cause you want to prove something - people will appreciate you for your craft if it is pure and even if it is shit after you put 10000 ours into it - the work will show your effort, cause the hours of pain and love you poured into your drawing will overcast the shittness and only what will left is a clear state of mind which flows in the stream of nirvana.

Let your ego fly away and if it doesn't want to set free, kick it out and fight against it.

How comes every porn artists endgame is drawing huge veiny dicks? Is slippery slope real? You can't even find vanilla porn artists that don't draw anal or futa nowadays. It's all so tiresome.

>>4486679
>not Ukrainian
Russian surnames end in -iv and -ov
-ko is Ukranian

>>4486754
>iv
Meant -in

>tfw you'll never be as devoted to your art as a diciplined japanese hentai artist with an everyday shedule working in his comfy tiny apartment surrounded by his drawings/drawings tools in his little bubble

at the same time here i am; hyperactive fag with no dicipline doing nothing all day but pic related
i believe that if one is willing to make it, he has first the need to clean his mind but how?

>>4486754
Odessa is also Ukrainian city. Maybe only his mother was Russian, he was born in ussr

>>4486760
>tfw stuck in this cycle for weeks now
Holy shit, how to escape

>>4486760
the answer is "just do it"
you dont like the answer because you want a big secret or some magical technique but the answer is simply, "do it."

stop posting on 4chan, go draw. dont spend half an hour looking for something to listen to or watch while you draw, just start drawing. turn off your computer and do it trad.

>>4486778
Get off 4chan.
Close all your social media.
Do literally anything else with your time.

>>4486613
Yeah but why do all the people who relate to the alienation posters never try to form a community? It's not like you have to make enemies to say you're disenfranchised. Look somewhere else hard enough, there's a way out of this crap. Maybe not financially but morally, for sure. I know for a fact there are other artists who make different art and have a different idea of it. They're not popular, maybe they'll never be, but they exist somewhere buried in the internet. I think if people tried to get together where they belong instead of trying to fit themselves through this cramped hole they're not fit for, and gathered all together to share art not to "make it" or other stupid shit like that but for the sake of art, that would turn all these leaden grudges into gold, so to speak. It could even paradoxically create something that actually works commercially. It will never happen if you just bang your head against social media meme culture or disappear from it.
Hint: it's never about places, it's about talking

>>4478293
based positive anon

>>4486701
Maybe this thread will help: >>/biz/thread/S17989827
Biz anon asked how to stop his ego.

I give up on trying to draw from imagination i cant fucking understand fuckall. How the fuck am i suppose to make dynamic poses now.

>>4478208
i feel really fucking lost, idk where to start. i remember someone saying "fk you all youll ever make is shitty 3/4 animu heads and die in your own shit". not directly but i realize i have no range. I don't know if i should go back and learn loomis or reilly or bridgman and feel lost in the vast plethora of things i have to master :/

>hand starts hurting
>stop for the day
>5 minutes later
>hey that looks interesting
>try to draw it
>hand starts hurting more
how do i stop bros?

>>4486760
Why don't you make a discord so we can be those disciplined japanese hentai artist with an everyday schedule working in our imaginary comfy tiny apartment surrounded by our drawings in our own little bubbles?

>>4486754
Many Russians have surnames in -enko if they're from Ukraine or from areas where there's a lot of Ukrainians living, like Aleksenko Vladimir:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Aleksenko

>>4486888
If it is challenging for you it means you are learning something new.

>>4486977
i think you missed the point of being a zen hentai recluse if you want a discord to chat about it

>>4486766
A 2015 study by the International Republican Institute found that 68% of Odessa was ethnic Ukrainian, and 25% ethnic Russian.[41]

Despite Odessa's Ukrainian majority, Russian is the dominant language in the city. In 2015, the main language spoken at home was Russian − around 78% of the total population − followed by Ukrainian at 6%, and an equal combination of Ukrainian and Russian, 15%.[41]

faces are hard

>>4487006
draw heads instead

>>4478251
puss

>>4486760
>disciplined japanese hentai artist with an everyday shedule working
I'm curious. Are you referring to an specific example? Is there any hentai japanese artist that talks about their schedule?

>>4486916
Draw from the elbow or shoulder, not the wrist.

>>4487068
nice meme

>>4486989
I remember reading a pixiv artist did that and it helped even when there was hardly any talking, just the presence and knowledge that the people in there were being productive.

It feels like I work and even live at a 10-20% of my capacity. What do.

Ok, a vent
I used to say I wanted to be good at art before I went out to college. College came, and I could still only draw symbols.
I said I wanted to be passable before senior year of college.
Senior year has come, and I'm little better than I was before.
Sometimes it feels like I'm my own worst enemy. Like my passion is a joke. It comes and goes like the winds.Cycles of forgetting what I want and falling into useless habits, over and over for all the years of my life.
I want to believe I can make it.
I'm just terrified I'll forget my habits as I always have. That the passion I have for some things is a hollow joke. Conjuring up ideas for projects but being afraid to develop them.
Sometimes, you wonder, "what do I want? am I sure I want it, or am I being a coward?"
It feels...scary to not have an answer some times. For the endless cycle of forgetting or not being sure of personal desires that you thought were your life's purpose. Asking "why".
Am I a fool? Am I weak? Will my potential only go so far?
It's not failure that scares me, it's the thought that it was fated that does.

(cont) it's the fear there was always a better idea around the corner. of falling into patterns of thought and design that were limiting.
drowning under a membrane separating me from being someone people would respect as a creator.
it's not about fame, it's about making someone feel as happy as I did when I was a kid and read through art books or played good jrpgs or read inventive manga.
that I'm too dumb to evoke wonder or too mopey, spiteful and entitled to allow myself to.
sorry if this was...mopey, but it's been eating at me for a while. It's made art painful when it used to be simple and fun.

> went to a private Catholic school growing up
> born with the ligament in my left hand
> reprimanded anytime i used my left hand to write, forced to use right hand
> fast forward to today, still naturally use my left hand to do almost everything except write and draw
> don't have the ligament in my right hand

>>4487351
the ligament? tell me more sir, your story is interesting. (I'm not joking or messing with you)

>>4487357
he's a fucking retard who fell for a meme. he thinks you have a special magical ligament in his hand that makes you a master of drawing without having to practice, just another one of the million excuses these miserable faggots make to not have to study or draw.

>>4487360
ahahahaha 4chan never fails

>>4487360
even if that ""blessing of nature"" existed, he doesn't have it, right? then why cry over it? there's nothing that can be done. So why care?
Wouldn't never becoming a master artist because you gave up be more painful?

>>4486985
I dont feel like in learning at all tho it feels like im just a computer just trying to brute force trial and error with no ryhme or reason, doesnt help at all that i cant think in 3d, everything falls apart as soon as theirs foreshortening.

>>4487357
ligament my balls lmao

Whats the point of even trying anymore, The fact is that i am too retarded to figure anything out, so i just keep making the same mistakes over and over. >just draw >feel the form >mileage lmao
Meme baseless garbage.
The matter of fact is that i wont get ever get anywhere and was doomed to fail from the start

>>4485394
This is what I want to draw, but I am a perfectionist and want nothing more than to make art work that can be viewed as equal to my heroes. I went from getting shit on here, to people barely commenting or saying 'blog?' which nets me a new follower every 6 weeks or so.

>>4485294
Pixiv link?

>>4487569
Pyw

>>4487037
no specific example, that's just how i imagine mangakas, and for having seeing a lot of mangakas/japanese illustrators interviews i can tell you that's true, not only in the domain of drawing tho, japanese are naturally more diciplind and devoted to their passion + their workplace is always fucking comfy.
i wish i was japanese

>>4486814
>spend half an hour looking for something to listen to or watch while you draw
ok i'm not the only one then

>>4478208
I'm too dumb to understand proper composition, and dynamic posing. All my characters are stiff and I need more practice to get around that.

AHHHHHHHH WHY DOES DRAWING ANIME BOOBS HARD?? FUCK YOU FOR TRICKING ME TO GRINDING LOOMIS EVERY DAY

>>4487569
>But I am a perfectionist
>Claimed to be good but has to constantly copy
Holy ngmi

>>4479082
>have that "story" in your head for years that you hope you can make a comic/wathever of , in fact it's less of a story than mixed up ideas but you keep telling yourself that ONE DAY you'll begin making it (to make you feel better), in fact you HAVE to keep telling this to yourself because the slight hope of making it is what keeps you alive
>but as the time passes full of daydreaming and procrastination you forgot that like drawing, writing is an artistic dicipline wich to be mastered takes 10 years since young age + you actually hate writing
>tfw you realize you're ngmi and that all your life has been a big lie fuelled by your daydreams

>>4478293

>>4487753
https://youtu.be/Gw0o_0MCp2c

>>4487755

I've been drawing for 5 years now, and while I've gotten better I feel like I'm not progressing enough.

I always contemplate whenever I want to practice or make a new work because I rarely finish anything and alot of it stuck in le w.i.p hell. Any solution for it? It doesn't help that I work at a snail pace. When I'm done with character, I realized I don't have enough knowledge to draw background.

I always feel like I have something that holds me back from going full force on everything, and I still couldn't figure out the solution.

I still do like drawing, but it can be pretty overwhelming sometimes

trying to study books just make me want to give up. seriously just so much shit that i cant put into practice

>>4478208
I think DuChamp was wrong. Art isn't what the artist says it is. If you bury art in a cave it ceases to exist as art until someone discovers it. Art needs an audience even if it is an audience of 1. The piece has to contextualized by the audience as art or it's just an object.

My imagination is as dead as my will to live

>>4487462
ligament-lads annihilated

>>4487775
There is no magical thing that will solve your inner conflict.
You feel like you're holding back because, maybe you don't want to depict certain things, (assuming you share your work on with others) you don't want to draw attention from certain crowds or be judged wrong for what you draw.
Either draw solely for yourself and don't share or think about what you actually want to do with drawing.
Were you always laughed at/mocked or ignored for your interests or did success often draw negative attention growing up? That might also be why you're like that.
pic related is my work and i have many other like this but will never share that on my socials because i don't want that kind of attention

About bg; just expand your visual library. Collect photographs or art of places. As long as you don't flat out copy and paste them into your work, you're fine.

AAAGHH NOTHING MAKES SENSE MY TINY BRAIN I WANNA CRY

I'm so tired of my drawing process
I've been drawing for a year and some months now and I still can't wrap my head around the starting process. I try constructing with simple shapes at first, and that usually goes south and I end up going over my work several times until it looks passable. I try starting with the loomis method every time for constructing the head and always mess up without fail, then some of my drawings I end up using a really shitty sketch of guide lines to just roll with starting something to heavily edit later. I still can't remember how arms work, I draw with reference of real people very often too, do gesture, study and practice anatomy etc and it's like none of it is actually sticking. I just roll with things and can polish thanks to digital layers and all
I dunno. I just want to be able to sketch decently from the start, not work with crap that makes me feel like I haven't been learning, while my final pieces make it look like I have learned

gonna meltie

>>4478293
I just want to draw something that is coom worthy like pic related. That's my ultimate goal.

There's no ammount of skill I can gain to fill the void

>>4487696
Get some lessons from Vilppu, the guy knows how to draw the fattest anime tiddies.

t. guy who is feeling the forms

>>4487714
Its not copying, that would be easy. Its constantly using references to build that understanding of stylized homogeneity so it looks like something decent and not something tumblr. I mean, the people on this board are about 80% of the time garbage so it doesn't bother me, and thats not an insult because you will all get better, I got better etc. Its just I have no idea what your endgames are or what you are going for besides some mediocre deviant art tier drawings that are funny, whimsical or erotic but nothing that will or would frankly deserve to hang in a gallery or be featured in another work of media ie movie, video game, comic etc.

>>4487696
Disgusting fat sacks, if they were on the stomach you would be repulsed. Its not that hard. Learn where they connect at and increase accordingly.

>have to draw any specific thing over 200x times jusr to undersrand it and only ar that specific angle
Kill me, why am i a brainlet

How is the rest of /ic/ dealing with politics and state of the world in general?
Lately it's been eating up my mind more and more and I can't focus at all on art, I've just been going back and forth reading through political threads on different boards and socialmedia. Can't even draw for more than 10 minutes without checking if a thread's been updated or if someone's responded to me. Fuck man this shit really is digital drugs. I've been drawing a collective 1 or 2 hours a day, barely have any sketches to show for it, let alone finished work.

>>4489391
I've just been drawing lots of corona-chan.

>>4489391
I don't go outside

>>4489391
My country is already being anally destroyed economically by corona and the real thing hasn't even started yet. I just gave up and accepted i am going to die in this third world hole but at least my legacy is going to be a lot of cute shota drawings for the future generations to fap to.

Do you ever go back in undo your retweet’s while telling yourself “what was I thinking, why did I like this enough to retweet it?” It’s like the me at that moment long died and a new me takes over.

>cant draw for more than 3 hours of studing without losing my patience because of constant mistakes.
How can i make this fun.

>>4489623
How old are you, unironically? This is something that happens more frequently the younger you are.

why is it called fun with a pencil when i'm not having any fun at all

>>4489391
I do it like this

does it get any sadder than this?
literally having panic attacks over not getting twitter bronie points because you didn't catch the latest vidya meme trend fast enough

Fuckers of this board make value statements or “advice” never post thier work so i cant tell whos bullshitting

>>4489993
>"Oh my god I might have missed the hype train I nearly had a panic attack over missing out on..."
>"...150 likes"

amazing

How the fuck is art fun or enjoyable, it feels like im trying to tourture myself.
>if you dont enjoy art then art isnt for you
Reduced feelings of pleasure is changes nothing for what is or isnt enjoyable.

>>4489993
Corona needs to turn into a zombie virus.

>>4479341
Wow, a man who isn't a flaming faggot on /ic/, truly a rare site

>>4484120
I haven't, I rarely come on here desu

I’m tired of chasing after my friend. I’m just going to forget about him.

>>4488176
Practice with pen and paper. You'll need to commit to your lines, instead of using crutches.

>>4478208
I'm done. I'm fucking sick of it all. I've spent the last few years dedicating a lot of my free time to art. Even when i'm not drawing, i'm spending time on Instagram or Artstation or even here. It's gotten to the point where I'm refusing to hang out with friends and family for the sake of just trying to learn one more new thing. And what do I have to show after all this time and broken connections? A job? A professional career? No, just lousy, sloppy, messy articles of shit. So i'm done. It doesn't get better, it didn't a year ago, or 2 years ago, or 3 or 4 or 5. Maybe I just don't have that Midas touch or a 9am to 9pm work ethic. Who knows, either way, I'm fucking done. Good luck to everyone else.

>>4479341
>futa
>straight
Jokes aside; i do get that what you're saying, but this might be the case for many pornfags who didn't put their brains in a blender already.
I can only speak for myself but whenever i see a technically good artist drawing porn i can't think of anything besides:
>"What a waste"
But i don't get involved with porn artists because they attract such deranged crowds and/or are completely insane themselves.
And i don't want to get noticed by some random non-binary-tri-gendered-spawn-from-hell-communist-other-kin, thinking because i drew a a girl with boobs, i'm either against gay people or against trans people.

But it's the road you chose.
Play game, win prize, ye?

I'll throw in the towel. I've spent a lot of years trying to make this freelance shit work and I just have to admit I haven't been able to. The jobs pay low and the clients demand more than their money isworth. After I'm done with what I owe I'll just walk away from it all.

>>4490000
most anons on this board don't want advice
they want praise or someone to come and fix their mistakes for them and sperg out whenever someone points out that they can't draw a square and call it a circle.
You should be the one who is most critical of your own work but shouldn't outright deny a different view because it hurts your feefees.
You're never going to get better like that.

>>4489791
because you take yourself too seriously. if you're not playing around making crude blook and doohinkus OCs you're ngmi.

I've been drawing for 2 and a half years and i'm still garbage. I started as an adult so can only practice after work, i'm so far away from where I want to be as an artist.

I'm not sure why I out pencil to paper in the first place, but I've sunk so much time into this hobby I can't give up.

>1000 impressions in a hour
>50 likes
What is acceptable ratio?

>>4490593
I had 2000 impressions and only 35 likes so you’re doing better than me.

>>4490593
5000
1000-2000 likes

>>4490603
The only time I get 1k likes is when I'm doing animations

>>4490593
I never like anything on instagram because it fucks up my suggestions. I just save the image if its an inconsistent artist or follow them if the artists has a consistently good body of work.
I also dont follow any of my friends because they are students and I dont want to see student work suggested to me.

Why do I wake up at all every day? It's so hard to motivate myself, let alone force through the harder days. Constantly seeking improvement in both personal life and whatever hobby I pursue, pushing myself, while trying to abate the thoughts of suicide, not getting rest from the constant intrusive thoughts. No physical rest either. Every day is pain. Hard to think straight.

It's all so tiresome. I'll go back to drawing. It was hard enough to get the initial kick to start doing something, I fear losing the momentum. Yet it's so tempting.

I'VE BEEN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DRAW THIS ALIEN'S FUCKING LEGS FOR MONTHS NOW.
I CANNOT FUCKING WRAP MY HEAD AROUND HOW TO GIVE HER A NICE HUMAN-LIKE ARSE BUT ALSO HAVE THE LEGS FUNCTION.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>4490667
take a break, anon

>>4490807
I don't feel like I've done enough to take a break. Perhaps I'll go for a walk. A break from my thoughts is at least something, right?

After 5 years of studying art I finally realized that driving force behind it was me wanting to draw naked women. I have no other higher goals, no artistic aspirations, all that time spent on creative dead end

Well, time to give up. I don't know what constitutes as "serious work" but I've been doing digital art stuff since 2014. Even if I was happy with my progress (plot twist, I'm not) I don't see myself getting an art job I would even enjoy. I wanted that love and exposure those famous digital artists get, seeing my art on the front cover of a magazine or on a billboard. But in 6 years, none of those have even come close, I think the most exposure I ever got on a piece was a DeviantArt art review video someone did. And that was only because I begged her to include one of my pieces. It's not enough, I never did this for fame or fortune but to visually represent the ideas and worlds and characters I have in my head. That's why I get so fucking angry at fan-artists who render really well but draw the exact same shit as everyone else, like why do "you" deserve the ability I absolutely need? I feel cursed and desperately want to give up but I can't let those years go to waste. I'm only holding on because I hope to discover a breakthrough; I'm sure you've all seen it before right? An artist you follow might go silent for a couple days and come back with some amazing new piece that changes their style and process forever. That's what I hope for and what I need right now.
Thanks for reading my blog

>>4490722
torso coming out of the back set of legs, pic related

>>4490966
I'VE TRIED THAT ANON, IT LOOKS FUCKED.
GOING FOR SOMETHING LIKE A TAUR DOESN'T WORK EITHER BECAUSE IT ALSO LOOKS FUCKED.

>>4490973
why not make a spider then like arachne from monster musume

>>4490497
It's really nothing how you described. No one I know is being attacked for drawing "girls with boobs".(kind of redundant phrasing)
My problem isn't that people aren't nice. Because they ARE nice. My problem is that we no longer see eye to eye in the content we consume. Or even the content we create. I feel like my kind are dying off. And I can't express this feeling publicly, without being labelled a bigot. Then again, no one really follows for my opinions in the first place. So it's better I not address it regardless. I only wish I could if I wanted.

>>4478346
see a therapist instead of posting on 4chan bruh

>>4478536
Just keep posting, it will not come quickly. It takes a long time to grow an audience. Use hash tags, interact with other artists on the platform by liking and commenting on their posts. Share other artists work and they may share yours. Make sure you do these things genuinely otherwise it can be transparent.

>drawing only feels good when i get things right easily or dont have to redraw said thing 90 times
how do i make the good feelings more easier

AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

All of the artfrens I used to hang out with are gone and I'm not socially active enough to find a new circle in the modern discord environment where you get drowned out unless you shitpost all day. I don't want to scream into the social media void anymore, either. I could make some pretty good pieces with the skill I have, but it just seems pointless somehow.

>>4491378
"girls with boobs" in the context of "getting noticed by" and "being offensive to.." was not meant literally,
Your reply is what i meant:
>"being attacked for something normal and absolutely harmless because the person lacks critical thinking or whatever"
And that was my personal reason for not involving myself in that circle, not an absolute and objective truth.
>Because they ARE nice
Maybe they're not. Maybe they are being polite and sociable to climb the social ladder.
>My problem is that we no longer see eye to eye in the content we consume
Try to see it from the other side;
Maybe they don't care. Maybe all they want is positive social points and attention.
Maybe it's because people don't want to be told the truth and want to live in a comfy lie.
>Or even the content we create
>I feel like my kind are dying off.
You're being dramatic.
>And I can't express this feeling publicly, without being labelled a bigot
> I only wish I could if I wanted.
If you want to do it, why not do it? Nobody ever gives a shit about the opinion of others because people are fucking retarded and never actually think about what others are saying or question their own dogmas for the sake of growth and truth.
You'll always get retards disagreeing with facts because of countless retarded reasons like legit autism, feelings, political correctness and narratives.
Most people don't deserve to take part in the larger society because they're unable to even be alone with themselves.
And you shouldn't care to speak only when people are listening to you, if you got to say something, better fucking say it.
In your case, calling your followers on what they are, is not a good strategy, but if i was being made miserable by a situation like yours, i would just not submit myself to it any longer.

>>4491285
Attach woman to spider body is the laziest shit, oof.

>>4489993
What drives me up a fucking wall is that we got to a point where people candidly admit they draw shit explicitly to try and ride the hype of the moment. It's not a despicable marketing hustle that you should hide or at least downplay, now it's something relatable, omg I almost trendhopped too late! Good thing you made it pal! We all have that moment where we missed out on the soulless fucking fanart. Why do they even call it fanart? Why does every fucking word mean the opposite of what it really means, why is this grotesque doublethink permeating every single fucking word in the English vocabulary? Why is everything so proudly fucking fake and disgusting, why? I fucking hate this so much. This is even below the mercenarism of pornographers, this is actually the cancer that is killing art.
This piece of shit won't even see the disgusted sneer I have on my face right now, I would just like to look at him straight in the eye for 5 seconds so he can see how much I hate what he represents. We need WW3.

>>4486879
>/biz/
>trusting a board that has been wrong EVERY SINGLE TIME

>>4478293
based as fuck satsukiposter

>wanted to spend all night drawing
>ended up putting every single drop of vodka of my almost empty bottles into a glass and drinking it
Why can't I stay sober, why must I be like this

>>4491701
you gotta find something else to fill the void in your life, man. the important thing is that you keep fighting your self-destructive tendencies consistently. also, clean your room.

>>4491723
I'm trying my best, I hope that this is just a slip-up because I ran out of weed days ago
>also, clean your room.
Fuck, how did you know

>>4491731
weed + alcohol + a disorganized, aimless lifestyle is a pretty bad pattern. you might have to walk away from all of that before you can successfully pursue art with any kind of consistency - at least that's how it was for me.

My own goddamn brother stole one of my sketches out of the fucking TRASH, drew over it, claimed it was his, sent it as an inspiration drawing to some "singer" he works with, took total credit for making this, and she posted it on her Twitter and she didn't even credit the little thief with an @. I'm so mad. If you're gonna steal my art, at least demand getting some recognition for it.

>>4491865
>my own brother
>she
wat

>>4491865
This is why you autistically document your work so you have proof you made it and can shit all over the thief.
>>4492072
I think “she” refers to the singer

>>4492072
She is the singer.

>>4492271
The original drawing is actually already posted on social media and it's incredibly obvious when you put the two side by side, but I kept asking myself what good would bringing this up actually do?

>>4492325
Self satisfaction? Its just a retweet, but someone stealing your work still sucks. It depends on the type of person you are i guess. If he ever gets a job offer or any money, you should tear him up though.

>>4492350
Yeah, it's just a lot more drama than I'd like to cause. I think what makes it more difficult is that I have a "professional" career, so I can't just start Twitter drama over something like this and risk it somehow getting back to my real name and my real job (in a perfect world, that job would be art but this is the world where I have bills to pay). I used to joke that he's such a piece of shit that he deserves to get cancelled as soon as he gets famous, but man you're right. If he ever gets anything, I'm immediately ending it.

I spent so much on my fundies I forgot why I started art in the first place

>>4479341

I have these feels for the hentai community and the last gasping strains of the old internet.
I like my weird asian pornos and my old anime, but I'll be goddamned if im not the ONLY normie in my circle by default of not being some slavering, deviant mess.

Whats really starting to worry me is seeing grown ass men and women in the industry start to repeat this broken shit for e-points. Industry vets who want on the next big project regurgitate newspeak about how these psychopaths are doubleplusgood and should be held up as paragons of the community.