/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Gonna post this study here for critique. trying to advance my gesture into forms and adding light and shadows.
I don't have a good eye for light and shadow yet just started some lessons from Huston like 2 days ago
I'm looking into 100% copy of model like proko.
Help.

another ctrlpaint exageration exercice

>>4478168
From what I see model have ass more forward but you can just overlay From artistic I do not understand much but personally do not like dirty environment.

>>4478168
You should have actually drawn the far arm instead of just drawing scribbles.
Ass too long and square.
I feel like you were trying to be expressive and artsy here but honestly at the /beg/ level that stuff will just get in the way of communicating the figure clearly. It becomes a crutch to (poorly) hide your mistakes rather than a tool to make the drawing better. Try to be more clear next time, use cleaner and less dramatic lighting, clearly delineate where all of the forms start and stop, etc.

I like women with big Jaws

>>4478199
explain

>>4478199
looks very french-y, I like your linework.

>>4478168
don't go shy on the torso
her legs and ass are too close to her ribcage; where are her organs? always make sure you have enough abdomen and torso; better to have more than less

nice attempt at being proko tho

>>4478201
basically his a jojo fan, i approve

>>4478201
What would you like me to explain?

Is coomer art bad for mental health?

>>4478202
I drew them with normal construction in pencil and inked with a fine tip sharpie. I was trying to copy the style of shinichi Sakamoto. Mine is no where near as good as his on any level but it was the first time I was actively trying to reference an artists line weight and hatching and stuff

>>4478230
kim chink gi disagrees

>>4478154
I'm having a lot of trouble with this exercise:
https://drawabox.com/lesson/2/contourlines

I'm barely starting, so I have very little conception of how the ellipses are
a) supposed to look
b) supposed to progress around the organic form.

Any advice and/or more ways to practice this particular skill?

>>4478210
I have never watched jojo

>>4478237
literally think of the eclipses as if you were drawing fitting ovals over the shape beneath

>>4478154
Just started with loomis and i can't figure out how to make "blook balls" for the life of me. Like i've drawn like a hundred of them and i still don't know if any of them are even correctly drawn.

Any tips?

>>4478262
Post what you've drawn so far

>book is called Fun With A Pencil
>it's not fun
What is this shit

>>4478236

>basically his a jojo fan, i approve

>>4478271
Kek Qt3.14 muscle girl

>>4478271
Based

how do i stop being a brainlet?

Why is everyone so rude on this board, why does no one bery nice post?

Even good art gets rude responses

>>4478278
I'm nice. Show me.

>>4478275
take your time a nd stop rushing things

>>4478189
Alright thanks, next time will sure drawing everything and stop running away from my weaknesses.
A quick question how do I make the light look less dramatic, I’m still new to light, shadows, value stuff.
And I still didn’t start studying anatomy yet so I don’t know the forms of the back yet, but I will try to feel them more.

>>4478278
nobody is rude, you are just a sof ass princess motherfucking bitch that is used to get praise for every effortles shit you post that you call art

>>4478264
Have another page-full but these are the latest. Am i meant to draw the lines or the little sticks first?

>>4478154
I feel like there are actually two rungs to /beg/.
those who haven't drawn since childhood, picked up a pencil 1-2 months ago.
and those who are "beginner" but draw rather competently since they have consistently done thoughtless practice since being a kid.

>>4478289
just practice drawing 2D circles before you start this

>>4478290
what about the people like me that are int-tier but just post here to fill my ego with your (You)'s jealousy and envy

>>4478285
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcCJ2CU-bFw

>>4478296
Oh okay. Book said it didn't matter if they were shitty but it makes sense i guess.

I should have probably pushed values more, but this drawing made me feel like I'm improving.

>>4478189
Shouldn't beginners use large contrasts between light and shadow to delineate faces of structures? Huston recommends it to show form.

>>4478299
it not that man, its just like why worry about drawing 3D heads in loomis when you can't consistently draw a normalish looking 2D circle ?
don't get me wrong, don't just grind 2D circles, that's a massive waste of time BUT do practice the act of drawing a basic circle alongside loomis until you consistently draw ones that both better resemble circles and have a sense of uniformity to them.
break everything down into the ultimate base form and start from there, another example is straight lines to boxes to buildings.
That way it'll all come together for more advanced concepts, just remember to draw stuff you actually want to for fun alongside your practice drawings, otherwise you'll burn yourself out.

>>4478311
it's alright. what does your ref look like, the neck looks weird.

>>4478289
Just Started the Loomis Fun with a pencil yesterday. I've been using a £2 coin as a stencil to start me off. It looks like your circles are too small to give you room to fill out with features given the thickness of the pencil.
Try doing one face of the exercise at a time.
Make sure to pen in the final features.
I've been drawin the lines first.

>>4478324
here

>>4478345
notice how the top of the neck starts at the top of the back and swoops down only to rise again; you drew a cylinder coming out of the torso directly which is why it might be looking much odder than it should

Opinions on my witch OC?

>>4478319
Yeah i know, it's just daunting to be told to learn how to make a circle after almost a month of drawing stills and copying by eye.

>>4478382
I love witches, so its an A-Okay for me. It looks pretty good too.

>>4478345
something like this maybe

>>4478350
Yep, I notice all the stuff I did wrong when I directly compare it to ref now

>>4478228
how do you define big jaws?

>>4478382
Tranny potter

>>4478230
oh no

How to hair

>>4478396
maybe strong jaw is a better term. but i like women of a certain look. those 2 are kate winslet and the rachel from blade runner. in the 80s that was the thing. models seems to have that look. nowadays popular models and actresses seem to have really small jaws and chins. im gonna draw a young jennifer connolly and brooke shields next, and then uma thurman and patricia arquette, and last Natascha McElhone and meg foster.

Hands with memory

>>4478428
> 3120x4160, 3.89MB

> RESIZE YOUR IMAGES - try ~1000px, <1.1mb
> RESIZE YOUR IMAGES - try ~1000px, <1.1mb
> RESIZE YOUR IMAGES - try ~1000px, <1.1mb

bitch

Lighting exercise, not a lot of lights though

>>4478402
Hahahah wtf man you are drawing the same face I did 2 years ago, what a small world

I know the shadow under the ear is dark as fuck

>>4478390
I'm not telling you to stop doing those things, its good to have variety in your drawing and to tackle something you may not be competent enough to accurately draw both for fun and to test yourself, don't be afraid to make a bad drawing.
I just happened to notice most your circles have no consistency and don't look very circular, so i'd suggest starting there for actual practice drawings.
just don't grind for the perfect circle (music pun intended) because it doesn't exist, just try to get to a general level of quality that is alright and then move on to another area of focus like drawing singular straight lines.

>>4478210
not everything is a jojo reference faggot
just most things

>>4478434
Sorry, I forgot

>>4478336
wow this looks way better than mine gonna kms lads

>>4478446
pretty sure he was calling anon a faggot, and is also a faggot

>>4478399
No it doesn’t affect mental health? Or oh no to the drawing?

>>4478235
please post coomer artwork of his

>>4478458

>>4478461
i don't find this arousing for some reason

>>4478468
You never wanted an orgy to break out in school? Faeg.

>>4478468
I kinda do

>>4478461
Holy fuck i hate being an incel

>>4478438
how is this /beg/?

>>4478515
its not, you just get faggots posting stuff like that in here because it'll hopefully get more positive responses than in the intermediate thread where it actually belongs

>>4478444
her right arm reeks of symbol drawing, especially the placement of the watch in the middle of her forearm

>>4478525
not related question but if there are a lot of intfags out there why did int gen died?

>>4478491
i don't want to be part of an orgy with other dudes, no. i'd rather have an orgy of just me and the female volleyball team while they're still drenched in sweat just after practicing, but i digress.
also the fish eye effect is impressive and looks good but it makes it hard for my brain to process the coomable parts of the image.
tl:dr i'm that guy with the glasses on the right

>>4478531
Because people on 4chan are insecure retards and would rather fish for compliments.

>>4478541
Can't have an orgie with one dick, what the fuck is the rest of the team gonna do?

>>4478549
who cares about the rest im there to get my dick tasted by all those bitches

>>4478531
I don't know anon, honestly i'd genuinely say that around 60% of the shit that gets posted in /beg/ should actually be at home in /int/.
like there is a clear difference between stuff like
>>4478438
>>4478402
>>4478199
and then
>>4478168
>>4478236
>>4478289
>>4478444
in terms of who actually belongs in the general, i feel sorry for those stuck between the two in terms of skill though

>>4478154
I feel like there are actually two rungs to /beg/.
those who beginners.
and those who have been drawing for a long time but are "beginner level" with little no talent to themselves.

Imagine fooling yourself that if you persevere you are going to make it despite being a talentlet. lel.

>>4478575
>lel.
you ruined your bait

>>4478575
>tfw no longer triggered by these posts anymore because i can see improvement over the past few months I've actively practiced
nice try fag

>>4478575
please don't be rude to other aspiring artists, thanks!

>>4478575

I want to learn how to draw, but because of plauge I cant buy supplies. Would I be able to learn on this tablet that I have? pic releated

>>4478584
>noticeable improvement over a couple months
you're not on the second rung then.

>>4478599
Sure

>>4478428
Can I get critique?

>>4478602
Cool, how should I start? Should i open art books in photoshop and work from those?

>>4478614

watch ctrl+paint free videos first

>>4478428
it's visible which ones you knew how to do and which you didn't
those top two hands with the flexing arm are looking rather okay, but the one on the left or right of it isn't

you're having both shape and perspective issues

try filling several pages with boxes rotated in space, without chicken scratching the lines

a hand can be approximated to a box with a thumb sticking out, if the fingers aren't doing anything crazy

if you figure out how to rotate the box, you won't have issues like top left

also god damn those fingers in the middle are too long

try drawing by referencing from your own hands instead of blindly imagining it

>>4478601
i am, i still suck ass but i have noticed improvement by putting in actual effort to practice

>>4478618
Ok thank you!

Dirty

>>4478555
>>4478531
The /int/ gen died because it failed to take into consideration the current climate of ic.
It really only had the effect of beating the bush making all the rats scurry.
Resentment based fags like this guy >>4478525 who can't cope with the fact that someone's better than them, so they have to try to nag them away and gatekeepers like >>4478515 came out of the woodworks en masse.
Of course the reverse was also true.
Add to that that who is /beg/ and who is /int/ isn't actually clearly defined and somewhat subjective and suddenly everyone has an opinion on where you belong.

The result was a huge turd-flinging shitfest.
People couldn't post in /beg/ without being told to fuck off to /int/ but they also couldn't post in /int/ without being told to fuck off to /beg/

People should just be happy that someone who's better than them hangs around the same Thread, who know's that might actually drive up the quality of advice.

>>4478642
>unironically using the term "gatekeeping"
the absolute climate of /ic/

>>4478642
ok but how the fuck is anyone supposed to give feedback on this >>4478641
when it's better than what 99% of people here can do?
at this point this is just showing off basically
he is the one who should give feedback to every noob here instead

>>4478648
>>4478648
I'm subhuman trash anon.

>>4478642
that anon might be at that stage where he still gets told to go back to /beg/ when posting work in other threads

>>4478651
I can't even draw cute waifus. I just give off the illusion of being good by using a fucking q-tip to blend my shit

still working on this

>>4478641
post reference, i have a feeling you messed up the front of her forehead and her neck

>>4478663

>>4478648
Your perspective on things is a bit skewed.
Making copies at that level is not super difficult, you can achieve it in 6 months to a year with patience and practice.
Drawing anything good from imagination is much, much harder.

>>4478663
Kek, I'm missing entire clumps of hair

>>4478668
ok so her forehead's just being weird, got it

you have some proportions messed up, like the lips and her nose (look how the septum bulges out in the ref but not in your drawing) and eyes (too narrow), and you made her neck look like an asaro head when it's just soft rounded muscle

otherwise i don't think you'll learn much more from this piece; overlay the ref atop of it, compare where you're fucking up, and do a different study

>>4478648
dude it's literally the upside down picasso's stravinsky with a few extra steps, he can't shit this out from his head he needs a photo to stare intently at for hours and hours

>>4478641
realistically anon, how long would you say it took you to draw this ?

>>4478694
Hmmmm, If I take out lunch, and other distractions then I'd say 5-7 hours. I get easily distracted by 4chan and other shit though.

>>4478668
the nosebridge is way too wide in your drawing

>>4478234
>>4478641

>>4478694
You can see a time stamp on both posts actually. I'd say I took longer getting to the first image, primarily because I measure so much and I get bored and distracted more easily.

>>4478702
>>4478683

Thanks for feedback lads

>>4478555
i drew the one of kate winslet and rachel from blade runner. first of all thanks for the compliment. to answer your question, every time i have posted in int ...i have never been given any crit. they just tell me to go back to beg. this is a critique forum.. maybe i am intermediate on a good day, but if i cant get any actual advice then why would i post there? I would love to not be called a beginner. But I'd rather that then waste my name getting told to leave and nothing else.

>>4478719
like i agree with what you're saying but

> I would love to not be called a beginner.

get over yourself

>>4478699
>>4478711
alright, that makes me feel better (no offense intended), it looks really nice and i was expecting you to say you blasted it out in like a hour or less

>>4478625
thank you

Idk how to rotate this, but trying to make interesting forms and poses. Hows this look?

>>4478741
>(3.14 MB, 4032x3024)

sigh

>>4478722
lick my nuts faggot.

>>4478746
Here, smaller file for ya. Any cc?

whoever helped me last thread, i got into gfxpeers. tomorrow I'm going to port forward to a vpn since I have an ipv6 connection which I hear can be bad if leaked. also how long does it usually take to grow your seed/download ratio? do you have to wait till someone else downloads the torrent?

>>4478752
yeah you can only seed if someone else is downloading obviously

also you might have missed the other link i posted

http://online-courses.club/the-art-of-colour-and-light-with-marco-bucci/

this dude has a site with a bunch of shit taken from cgpeers/gfxpeers uploaded to a tradional file host so if it doesn't work out you can use this

Been having alot of fun with loomis so far. Book deserves its name.

>>4478746
>>4478434
SHUT THE FUCK UP RETARD, theres literally not point at all in resizing your pics if you have a fucking third world internet that's your problem and for the size taking your screen just check the fit images box in settings.this should resizing bs should be removed from the pasta

>>4478774

>>4478774
I don't see the reason why would you sperg out like this, I mean the nigga has a good point /beg/ has to learn to resize.

>>4478788
>has to learn to resize.
why it adds nothing

I'm being filtered by gestures what do I do

>>4478806
Nice. Push ur values more tho

Spent like 3 hours on this shit. Second photo study in years. Hand hurts

>>4478854
draw from shoulder

trying hard here, not trying to give her human proportions but is this good to go for lining yet? any advice would be appreciated

>>4478311
Somewhat tangential. And I'm not an autor of picture.
When I saw it at home I remember it was very yellow(like paper bag and saturated), but at work laptop it almost gray. And when I draw something while do nothing at work and look at it at home it very yellow.
Where is truth what do you see?

Asking because curious, does /beg/ give advice for sculptures?

>>4478895
i think we're out of our league for that but it won't hurt to try, just take us with more grains of salt than otherwise

>>4478862
Trying to but it's hard, my tablet is an 8x10 or some shit

Spent some 45 minutes on this one, kind of gave up on the bubbles. Not super satisfied with either of these but oh well. Least I drew

>>4478902
Ok, looking foward for advice in the future

>>4478642
Hot take: there is no such thing as /int/. You can either draw or you can't. If you can't draw then you're a /beg/, if you can draw then the ranking system of a Mongolian surfing forum is irrelevant to you.

>>4478806
the left eye is too deep and/or too far left.

>>4478905
looks great if you blur your eyes. your values are excellent. obvious your shapes are not very crisp.

>>4478911
stop looking at the end result of an artists labours and labelling it as "yeah they can just draw".
most of the super in depth art put out by manga/comic authors is the result of hours of formation of the final product built upon countless drawings the creator did while young.
the guy who illustrates for one punch man has fantastic art but has talked about spending upwards of ten hours a day on just a few panels, same with muira of berserk fame and countless others.
yes you can be born with talent, but provided you aren't physically disabled you can sure as hell improve your art a lot if your prepared to put the time into it.
talent fags are such a disease on this board.

>>4478806
you do the same what I do - one eye drift to ear and lips too flat.

Here's an update on the still life from last thread

>>4478954
keep up

>>4478954
are those leeks or pencils

>>4478959
They are some thick stems for a plant, I just wanted to lay in base colors for now

>>4478911
what youre saying doesnt make sense. what we're discussing is the people who are debatably too good for beg. or at least better than obvious begs. are you saying these people can draw and shouldnt even be here?

>>4478954
Maybe I'm wrong but reflections do not looks right to me.

>>4478954
looks quite nice

>>4478971
Correct, I will be doing more work on the reflections to make them more accurate. Thanks for bringing it fresh in my mind though

>>4478871
please help guys, I can clean it up a bit better if necessary

I just don't understand anime proportions

>>4479095
On hindsight I simply don't understand anything.

Back to measuring!

>>4478871
>not trying to give her human proportions
everything is human except for parts of her face and that tail the body has some flaws from not that bad to yikes bad, use a ref next time or study more anatomy

knees,fridge mode, elbows, flexed delts but relaxed arms potato legs one leg is shorter

Whats the next big step one should practice alongside gesture drawing?

>>4479099
Nah by human proportions I just meant the body was a bit exaggerated, still meant to be a human body. with the left leg I tried to make it look like it was further back than the one in front, not good at perspective. By potato legs, do you mean the thighs are too fat? I can probably fix the legs and knees with a ref.
>fridge mode
does that mean it's flat or something?
thanks for the advice

Can I get some feedback on this sketch?

some gestures

>>4478230
Got bored. Tried “painting” it. I don’t want to draw lines, feels like cheating, but there’s a lip even of detail I’m missing.

>>4478230
No, but there's an unspoken rule that you can't coom to your own art.

>>4478911
>there is no such thing as /int/. You can either draw or you can't.
I think you're just shuffling words around, if it's "beg" vs. "int" or "can draw" vs. "cannot draw"
The problem remains the same that it's arbitrary and subjective, so that for a hundred people you get a hundred opinions as to what camp someone belongs in.

I was explaining why I think the /int/ general failed, not justifying it's existence or the existence of a ranking system.
If anything /int/ merely escalated the problem it was trying to solve.
The problem is the incessant "you don't belong here" to the point where that's the only thing some people will ever hear.
The solution is for those who say that to realize that it's debatable and to chill.
And for anyone else to post where-ever they want and ignore gatekeepers.

>>4478648
If nobody can give feedback to something then they won't receive any and eventually realize they're too good for beg and move on. Let it happen organically, I don't see what the problem is?

>>4478382
Linework and shading is pretty good (torso is a little masculine) but as a character design, it's incredibly generic. There is not a single unique detail on- or element to- this character that makes he stand out. I don't know if good character design matters to you, and it doesn't need to. For coomer art, she'll work.

>>4478750
I have no clue what's going on with his left leg. Torso is also very bizarre. Head and right arm aren't bad though.

>>4479177

>>4479178

>>4479179
some things from today

>>4479177
is this bridgeman? damn i wanna learn this

Is there a reason to study Bridgman if you don't have some kind of fascination with the human anatomy? Seems too in-depth for general art.

>>4479186
I'm going through Hampton and a bit of Bridgman, unfortunately Hampton's Arm/Leg segments are much less structured and not comprehensive, so I've been watching Prokos vids on those.

what you pick for anatomy doesnt matter too much, just remember to focus on learning forms + attachments + insertions + action of muscles and underlying bone
(although a lot of this is basically just overkill if you want to just draw cute anime girls)

>>4479205
That depends -> bridgman is very good for learning how to draw figures with a real sense of weight, and interlocking the various muscles and bones together with solidity.

I think what you're trying to get at is moreso whether studying anatomy in general is worthwhile, and the answer is both yes... and no.
If you draw people, you can get by just knowing the basics of major muscle groups, etc, but there'll always be a deeper layer of reality that will make your works more believable.
Small example: the Tibula and Fibula connect to the foot, forming the ankle from their bony protrusions. BUT the Fibula attaches lower, so the ankle is actually asymmetrical. Not only does this look better, but is more realistic.

If by general art you want to draw everything except people, then feel free to go through dynamic sketching or w/e.
But we're so hardwired to find people interesting that I think its worthwhile to spend a little time to learn to draw them.

Since I don't know how to resize with my phone I scanned more hands, this time with reference
1/3

>>4479303
2/3

make way you plebs, you think you are begginers, take a look at this shit:

im trying to learn figure drawing by copying books, this is one from loomis, on the left i just copied over the lines, on the right theres two attempts at getting it "right" taking the structure into consideration.

HOLY FUCK I SUCK AT THIS, is there any amount of practice that can make me improve, i mean i copied while looking at it, the copy was RIGHT next to it and the proportions look all fucked up, i dont even know specifically why, just know its shit.

any help on improving is greatly appreciated, thanks

>>4479308
Each hand took 5 mins

aaa I'm cooming too much to finish anything aaa

>>4479329
some more aaa

>>4479310
so basically the rule of thumb is you can draw if you can see

>>4479329
This one is alright
>>4479334
These ones suck, wojak based however

Absolute /beg/ here, trying out some Loomis exercises. A few questions:
1. How do I make my lines smoother? They're very jagged and don't curve well.
2. How do I draw symmetrically? Nothing lines up with the other close enough to look good.

>>4479124
you need to know anatomy before trying to stylize the body, idk how is that not obvious, stylization doesnt mean i make my own rules if you separate the ribacage that hight and make that kind of blob shape at the end it looks like theres a huge empty gap with the pelvis the lats fill that void and they are attached way higher, you made her abs wide as fuck i mean they can be wide but not that wide the legs have no form they look like logs, the knees are the worst , theres a gap between the muscles (quads) and the calves, your calves in the right leg is way past the knee level thats not anatomically correct that's not how you stylize thats just your poor anatomy, the elbows and the muscles surrounding it like the biceps, forearm are wrongly attached you literally guessed there you don't even know how does these muscles attach, the forearm muscle on the right arm doesn't overlap the elbow bone that high and the bicep does't make that fold unless it were fat and on the left arm the elbow is coming from one side pointing almost at the viewer that shit aint stylizing.

pic.in the top the colored areas/muscles remain in the same place it's just the size that changes in them however the ribcage is larger and so the pelvis and arms if make then fatter it will look off the legs can be made more thicker but the pelvis should be wider for that or it will like your pic its like they have a rubber band around, so you see how things change differently you need to find the balance but you don't even know the anatomy that well yet.you probably wont even notice half the shit i spoke so the best you can do is use a ref and compare, problem is that depending on how stylized you are looking for you might not find it or it could be a bad stylizitation and it will fuck you instead since you cant't recognize normal anatomy.

>>4479329
>tokyo mew mew
Culture

>spend all day doing dynamic sketching and life drawing in pen
>switch to pencil at night
>suddenly have great line control and everything looks neat

Is there a way to retain this level of control overnight? Maybe I should always start with dynamic sketching warmups.

>>4479361
that's how it works. line quality progression is like leveling up in vidya. it disappears quickly though.

>>4479335
i have eyes but i think im shitty at it

>draw black chick
>the result looks nothing like her but it still looks stereotypically black
Heh better than nothing.

>>4479354
Thanks for letting me know, I'm not trying to justify all of my mistakes by saying their stylizing, because a lot of it is me not knowing what I was doing. Most of this drawing was me drawing shapes formulaicly that looked like bodyparts, and then just pinching it around to make all the proportions look (what I considered) nice.
But yeah you're right, I've butchered the anatomy, I'll try and do a do-over of this tomorrow, saved your message and image for reference.
Thanks

>>4479372
Then practice. Also the exercises from Keys to Drawing might be better for you. That book is basically equivalent of selective Art 101 in non-art schools.

Need some colour/shading advice or critique, It's what I'm lacking the most. Also it feels too "flat" and not 3D enough.

Holy fuck I think I went too far and just went full homo.

why are you acting like you know how to draw?

>>4478871

>>4479485
And black and white without grayscale, anyway I'm going to sleep and try to forget I'm a huge fag.

don't know how to draw still huh?

>>4479485
Were you aiming for "half homo" or what?

>>4479497
... he was supposed to be a cute and feminine trap instead of 100% homo.

>>4479447
Firstly, your artwork is extremely flat due to a bad mix of values, it is all way too light and not enough dark. go into whatever your art program uis and make the saturation go all the way down to when its grey scale and see the areas that can use deeper and darker shadows.

Secondly, your colors are very poorly put together, this goes back to mostly color theory, reds would compliment your skin for the character better then purples and oranges.

Thirdly, your choice of blending for the hair and face is extremely questionable, you would be better off with your "style" to go with a cleaner look.

Also the lighting doesnt make sense on your piece, why is there a shadow on your shoulder, why is the light diagonal on the hair bun, but its facing forward on the scalp.

I hope this helps

>>4479502
Understandable, have a good sleep.

is this too much?

okay I caved in and ate the loomis book and was inspired from that guy a few threads ago

>>4479447
I would do something like this

>>4479512
maybe it could be useful if you're going to code a 3D rendering engine

>>4479519
ahh so it's excessive then. thanks

>>4479517
This looks great, draw more

>>4478154
please rate my art, i haven’t drawn the background yet
(character: japan/honda kiku [hetalia]

why do you still think you can draw, terrible just terrible

>>4479525
by looking to the summary, it looks like it follows the same outline as How to Draw(maybe it has some extras like using 2D top views to create accurate drawings). I don't think that method is bad per se, but I don't think it warrants over 100 hours for a complete beginner.

>>4479125
her cranium is a bit too tall

>>4479541
i’m glad someone agrees

>>4478154
First attempts at gesture, doesn't look great but I think I'm slowly wrapping my head around the idea thanks to Villipu

>>4479557

>>4479558
The drawing on the right side is from imagination, so it's pretty stiff and the legs are uneven lol

>>4479547
ahh thanks m8

>>4479502
trap is 100% homo to any sane regular person who didn't fall for the tranny agenda

>>4479538
I see blue square and headcrab

>>4479315
you are doing amazing, keep going, gmi

>>4479550
Thanks will fix-
>her
tfw I made my boys too feminine again

I'm mentally retarded when it comes to rendering.

Some cringing facial construction stuff or whatever you call them. I was also going to make some males, but girls turned out masculine enough so eeh later.

>>4479654
top right is fantastic. I giggled

>>4479680
I was thinking of fixing it, then I noticed that I couldn't draw a face that goofy if I had tried and didn't touch it.

Any critique so far?

>>4479729

Printed the template onto watercolour paper.
Any advice for clouds.

Doing this alongside fun with a pencil and some life drawing.

experimenting with dramatic comic book-y shadows. how'd i do?

>>4479731
/clicking noise in vents

>>4479754
honestly, stop using pre mae drawing, and copy the reference yourself otherwise you wont learn anything, what use is there if you know how to color but cant draw the things you want to color

i bet you are using this as a feel good exercise because being a beginenr is hard and discouraging, but pls dont be afraid to fail and dont get knee deep in traps like this

draw from ref then paint it, dont trace or use premade drawings

>>4479310
From a fellow /beg/: her torso is too small on the right and the neck is not hanging down as much. I think intutively that the two rightmost lack the tension that the left has.

>>4479820
did you even read the post? he literally stated he was working on other things alongside this. there's nothing wrong with just wanting to color occasionally and get better at it. I know you're probably trying to help him but this post came off as extremely condescending and stupid. not everything has to be a study

>>4479890
based

>>4479897
thanks so much. it means a lot coming from you.
>>4479890
this is something worse.
(it's screencaps from drop the dead donkey)

>>4479393
>That book is basically equivalent of selective Art 101 in non-art schools.
im a licensed architect and we had exactly that kind of training in drawing classes. altough i could really use a lot more of it.

>>4479447
could i talk you into ditching the cartoony eyes?

>>4479447
"Flatness" usually stems from an incorrect underlying structure first and foremost. Take away all the color and figure out how to make your linework alone look not-flat. Correct values flow much easier from a correct underlying structure.
Also get in the habit of flipping the canvas a lot. If you flip the canvas and something immediately jumps out at you and you go "oh god what is that", then you need to fix that area.

>>4480022
I think you have a cute aesthetic going on though, and contrary to what the other Anon said I like your colors.

>>4480025
what, the sickly bluish skin colour?

>>4479447
Your nose in particular is very flattened out. In the reference it's clearly pointing away from the viewer a bit, since we see more of one side of the nose than the other; it's not just that one side has more shadow, rather that plane of the nose actually takes up more space in the page. In anime noses you typically just outline the more distant edge of the nose and draw a dot or something for the closer nostril, there are lots of examples to look at.
I'm sure something is wrong with the eyes but I don't know exactly what.

>>4480027
Yeah. I like it.

What are the best way to improve the pencil shading?

>>4480036
spend a silly amount of time doing it, stopping every little bit to look at it squinting from afar, making sure you dont lose track of the whole composition.

really , like, spend an unreasonable amount of time on the drawing, keeping in mind that you can always go darker, but you generally cant go back if its too dark.

do passes trough the whole drawing improving the contrast between darkest and least dark, slowly working a gradient.

the people who do this in human timescales did it like this first and slowly improved or were born gifted which is not your case.

just keep at it

>>4480036
> (1.27 MB, 3264x2448)

the first step could be reading the OP to show you have basic literacy skills

>>4480059
My bad.
I didn’t knew the picture size of MB was that huge.

>>4480063
it's about it being about eight megapixels

otherwise he looks like he's wearing a leotard up to his chin

why is his neck so much darker than the darkest parts of his face? break the values up into a highlight, midtone and shadow, it looks like you drew a robot like this

>>4480036
dunno how to improve but it looks great, congrats

>>4480065
>why is his neck so much darker than the darkest parts of his face?

Like the >>4480058 said.
>making sure you dont lose track of the whole composition.
Which I obviously didn’t follow the basic steps of shading.

That’s the reason why I came to this board to get some advice in order to improve myself to draw the proper artworks.

>>4479525
total crab fucking you over, watch olson and you'll feel your world change
you don't need much beyond the first ten or eleven chapters, the ones after that are maybe too much

>>4478154
>nobody comments on my drawing
>gets put in OP of next thread

Well ok then

>>4480083
it's decent enough, recognisable but still /beg/

fix your lines, stop hiding your mistakes in them, and commit to a decision

the proportions are ok but the whole underside of her face (the digastric plane between her chin and the thrid-way point of the neck) is missing so she looks a bit like a bloated triplechin american

otherwise, not too shabby, keep up that quality and clean it up and you'll be making gains for a while to come

>>4480083
compared to what's usually posted as the op, yours is great.

two big things:
chicken scratching
how formless everything is -- she looks like she's made of playdoh.

post the reference and i'll point out how the shapes differ to yours.

>>4480098
unrelated but is copying from phtoso (while being aware of the structure) a good training for drawing humans from memory?

>>4480080
remember anon, silly amount of time. think 50 trillion years as a starter.

nah, just think, double whatever you were originally planning

>>4480116
you're not gonna be aware of the structure unless you study the structure for at least a little while too

it took us hundreds of years to come up with all these solutions to problems, no need to always reinvent the wheel yourself or you'll end up like pic related

some photo studies, some structure/anatomy/perspective studies, and some of your own work = perfect mix

it's just that /ic/ forgets the laaaaast part and they end up breeding more prokos or (more likely) failures

>>4480131
Gotcha.

>>4480137
>end up like pic related

why ist here so many "praised" art that looks like that, why is there so much art by people who dont know how to draw, or even by people who do or acts like they dont?

are there any art schools in which they go "yeah, picasso and marc shagal are shit but the normies eat that shit up, watcha gonna do about it, ok lets study some drawing"

>>4479493
>>4479485
Are you the guy who did the Astaroth (or some other demon girl) a month back?

I think your work looks pretty good but the way you draw breasts/abs/tits are too flat.

>>4479729
IMO
>elongate the head by a little bit
>give her longer legs

and you are 10/10.

>>4480149
For me it feels like author learn very well how to draw certain things but do not really understand what he is doing overall.

>>4480036
Unironically feel the form.

>>4479178
Based fellow Djeeta bro, I like what you did with her dress and I know you a man of culture since you don't skimp out on details when it comes to dress of similar design >>4479180.

I think you are suffering the same issues as I am also suffering right now, when you attempt to finish a drawing, your lines become thick, brash and repeated and it kills any line weight that may have existed in your sketch and hurts the look of your final drawing.

When I am analyzing myself and why I did that, I think it comes from a lack of confidence because I tend to blunder through certain details that I am not good at, the sketch comes out looking good because the repeated lines I did make it looks like what I envisioned in my mind but in reality I have no fucking idea what I am drawing.

Hope this helps, you are definitely better than me though.

>>4480165
Not to shit on the guy but as someone who does a lot of studies and not enough drawings from imagination/analyzing, this tends to happen a lot to me too when I am trying to draw things that I don't care as much about.

My breasts that I draw from imagination also looks like that when I am letting it run on autopilot and drawing symbols.

>>4480137
>you're not going to be aware of structure unless you study it
I really don't think so. perspective is inherent in references; you're going to see obfuscation, distortion and all of that.
I'm not good, but my perspective and anatomy has gotten way better over the years ; i've never read an art book in my life-- i've just drawn from movie screencaps, things like that.

the meme of breaking these things down into hard categories-- like structure, anatomy, perspective, etc. that's theory. but that's all there when you draw from life-- that's in front of you.

>>4480189
perspective has been in nature since the creation of the universe, but only Fillipo Brunelleschi ended up figuring out how it works in the 14th century, and he was an architect working on centuries of tradition

there's a reason naïve art is a genre, look it up and read the wiki page

>>4480195
if they didn't work with hard perspective it's because they didn't care about it.
if you draw from life, that's all you need.

separate by intertwined: theory isn't in nature. 'perspective' isn't in nature. when you read that book, you're not peering into the fabric of the universe. so nobody figured out anything.
babies figure out perspective when they learn object permanence; and if you keep paying attention, you'll learn more. that's all there is to it.

>>4480059
>OP recommends ~1.1MB
>1.27 MB
these have been great posts m8

>gesture on the guy is really strong
>Gesture on the chick is nonsense and her hips are totally fucked

I hate gesture so goddamn much

>>4479920
>>4479890
you have really clean lines, how'd you get your lines so straight ?
I'm practising atm but i either draw to slow and the line wobbles due to inconsistent muscle control or i draw to fast and while it doesn't wobble its completely off trajectory from where i want it to go.

>>4480244
>RESIZE YOUR IMAGES - try ~1000px
RESIZE YOUR IMAGES - try ~1000px

>>4480266
>Anonymous
Is this how they get red of brain hemorrhages?

>>4479731
her calve implant is falling off!

>>4480297
that's some chink medicine therapy but they usually put those glass things on your back no your head.

>>4479654
Measure carefully, anon. Take your time to get the most important angles right, then you start putting the features on their places.

Used a reference this time as people suggested.

Am I not supposed to use the lasso tool to achieve hard edges and the blur tool for soft edges? For transitions or gradations, I do the color pick and paint method and soften them with the blur tool. I avoid overdoing it with the blur tool though. Additionally, is it me or banding is very apparent at low values?
>>4480324
When drawing from reference (especially portraits), isn't it just better to sight size instead of construct, as shown in your example? More often than not, my referenced drawings done through sight sizing are better than done through the Loomis method. I did try to mix the two but it only turned construction into an unnecessary step.

>>4479156
What happens if you do?

>>4478154
hello friends, please critique. I dont like the limbs.

Im having alot of trouble with the loomis head-shape. It just feels off to me but i can't really tell how to fix it.

Any tips?

What are some drawing 'hacks' that you discovered for yourself? I like to cut slices off my cheap dull erasers so I get sharp precise bits out of them.

>>4480364
Too huge chest, shoulders too wide apart, head too small, daddy longforelegs

i tried charcoal what do you guys think?

>>4480403
beautiful

>>4480403
How did it taste?

i tried drawwing a tiger in charcoal what do you guys think?

>>4480389
sorry this was by mistake , how do i delete it?

>>4480416
I like cat but do not like water

>>4480416
The top of his head points left while his face points right...

>>4480425
water is really bad i cant draw moist

>>4480429
thanks i didnt notice that

>>4480416
>(3.28 MB, 5184x3456)
s i g h

>>4480423
i dno but it still applies to my image thanks anon

anyone else develop a fat fetish from figure drawing?

>>4480452
>have fat fetish
>subconsciously default to sticc figures when drawing
>shit at drawing actual fatties

>>4480467
I have a similar problem with asses. I subconsciously give everything I draw a huge ass and I don’t realize it until it’s too late and someone else points it out. Even when I’m trying to do a study like this it still comes out gigantic

This is supposed to be a man’s ass

>>4480491
Tbh, add a lot of hair and stretch marks to this and you get my own man ass.

>>4480452
i just get deepresed by looking at al of this beautiful people while being fugly asf

Probably won't get the chance to buy the materials for the viewfinder for "Drawing on the right side of the brain" for at least a week.
Should I try working around it with photos on my tablet or just skip right to Loomis?

>>4480491
>>4480491
is that digital painting? how do i achieve that general look?

>>4480491
What a cute looking ass, specially for a transgender man if that was what you were going for here.

>>4480541
>viewfinder
I never used that ever. Just measure and use your eyeballs. Waiting for supplies, and all that jazz is just excuses.

>>4480491
i think you might have too much contrast. every muscle has a dark well defined shadow and a white highlight.it looks like seperate pieces attached to something rather than bumps under a solid piece of skin. if you have a reference, post it, if not, use one.

>>4480541
>need to buy materials for a viewfinder
are you an ascetic living in an empty cell?

>>4480362
>When drawing from reference (especially portraits), isn't it just better to sight size instead of construct [...]?

Yes, I think it is. I don't think it is necessary to use construction, but it's good to have it in mind and think of the 3d shapes as we draw from observation.

>>4478599
I had the same one and it stopped working with my macbook when I updated.

>>4480265
just comes with mileage. but it's not as if my hand always does what i want it to. thanks though.
to get over that hump at the start, changing habits, the computer is easier than paper. so i'd suggest doing that-- ctrl-z for hours. at least that's what i did in the beginning.

and, i find that when i'm frustrated, i'm probably not ever going to get the line i want. take 5 minute breaks if needed.
good luck.

>>4480644
>>4480644
>>4480644
>>4480644
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>>4480547
Yeah it’s in procreate. I just use the MaxU600 Series pencil in the same way as I would use something like a conte pencil and then I just use the basic smudge tool in the same way as I would use my thumb to blend charcoal by going around the form

new thread
>>4480644
>>4480644
>>4480644

>thread killed in a day
>not by pure shitposting
wew

>>4480149
This one? It was my attempt to draw a shortstack baphomet. I'm pretty bad at giving things perspective and making them not look flat, I think the fact that I'm using solid black on white for most stuff makes this even a harder job for me since I'm just a beginner. I'll be glad if you have any tips to give about that.

>>4478154

I need to be here again so bad, I had the magic once, peaked, and now it's back to square one...

>>4483398
post on the new thread, namefag

>>4480374
Looks like the earline needs to be further back.