/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4474769
You gave her a man face

I just looked at the works of Leonardo's teacher, Verrocchio, and his style is literally the fucking same as Leonardo. Da Vinchi just copied his teacher and just added more anatomy.

Should I just be copying other artists and changing things a little bit? Is there nothing original in this world?

I can't feel the form

i can't remember these ratios, everything looks garbage because i cant remember construction at all.

>>4474794
Unironically just feel it and if things still look off, then you can drill down into proportions and use that knowledge to help you correct things.

>>4474789

finally have you been neutron star pilled
originality exists only in your taste, the rest is just other artists refined into something else

>>4474780
better?

>>4474817
This is really fucking good, wtf, you are not a beginner.

>>4474850
When you're drawing from reference or doing a study, your work's bound to look good.

>>4474759
Hey did more polish work on the image in OP, but it still feels a bit uncanny. I did have a lot of fun with the hair and clothes

I'm a complete /beg/ reading Hampton's book and watching his CGMA lecture on gesture drawing. Here are a few that I did.

It feels like when I'm watching him, I can do what he's doing as well. But once I put my pencil down, I can never get the exact picture that I want. I pushed through with 4 gesture drawings anyway. I'm using some references from Steve Huston's figure drawing NMA videos.

>>4474879

>>4474880

>>4474883
Sorry for the multiple posts. I'll compile them into a single image next time.

motherfuck did not draw at all for 2 months dont know what im doing. its something. a slow start.

>>4474850
Copying references is not as hard as you think, it just takes a little practice. You can get quite good at drawing from reference and still be a total /beg/ when it comes to making your own art.

>>4474794
>i cant remember construction at all.
just look it up as you draw, with time you will remember it

Critique greatly appreciated.

>>4474906
if you're studying you really shouldn't have skipped construction. its completely fucked up except the left arm

Fuck

>>4474911
pyw

>>4474911
That's the lesser problem. Just look at that torso.

>>4474879
imo hampton is very good for construction, but his explanation of gesture is not good for a beginner to really wrap their head around the idea.

most artists are building forms with their gestures so to you it may look like you need to be doing more than you are, basically forcing contour where it doesn't need to be. vilppu really helped me understand this since I had the same troubles because gesture is so vague.

take the pic for example, you need to focus on finding the flow of movement rather than containing it. dont even think about contour, just find the vein of the pose.

>>4474928
Alright I'll take a look at Vilppu again. The first time I watched his videos it felt too fast for me. I'll give it a try again. Thanks anon.

>>4474934
garbage

>>4474843
Give her another face man

>>4474911
Thanks Anon.
Now I've got them side by side I can see some of the problems. Torso is impossibly thin.
I'll go and look for some construction tutorials.

Also trying to do a bit of watercolouring.

Report gonna polish this shit for 9 month
please help me

plan

: study vilppu (hand torso)
: advance light and rendering

>>4474936
another example, i'd recommend timing yourself too, even as short as 10 seconds per drawing

there's different styles but it all boils down to the same concept, but for me proko's style (pic) is too clean and rigid. it really does take practice

also
>too fast
>vilppu
kek, I know it's a lot to take in but it's ironic considering he's ancient. good luck!

how do I actually construct things when "copying" a reference, instead of just, you know, copying

>>4474950
Construct and then use the reference, copying doesn't require construct you're just copying. Stop copying and construct.

>>4474950
Draw over the surface of the form or draw basic 3d objects. Anything that helps you to see in 3d, basically.

>Drawing stickman

>>4474944
>: study vilppu (hand torso)
>: advance light and rendering

do this first before you make coom art with proportions that make you look like a pedo.

>>4474817
I need to study line weight and hatching

>>4474970
this is really good

>>4474970
you totally misjudged the fossa on his left deltoid, it's much farther than that from the sternum, which makes it read like it's in bad perspective

>>4474970
You drew the abs too small. You should not be able to see much of the far side obliques from that perspective.

>>4474977
he have photo of how things actually looks like but do his own misguided fantasy instead.

>>4474976
I'm having a hard time separating the pecs from the the delts, as well as the anterior and lateral delt, can you redline it?
>>4474977
>>4474981
For this one, I was concerned with the Chest, shoulders and upper arms. I just shoehorned the abs. You're right though, they're terribly done.

What's the point of observational drawing (accurate measurement) past the point of learning to let go of symbol drawing if my goal is constructional/imagination based drawing?

>>4474970
>>4474994
hey bro if ur using csp what brush are u using, ive been looking for a brush like this for a long time

>>4475001
It's this one https://assets.clip-studio.com/en-us/detail?id=1712564

>>4475000
It's training your visual library so you can draw from imagination.

>>4475002
king, thank you

>>4474912
reminds me of a christmas greeting card.

commit and draw the hard parts, anon.

>>4474879
Outlining is not gesture.

>>4475003
I mostly mean such techniques as building an envelope and other tricks to create as accurate proportions as possible

i don't render very often

>>4475013
I think it's best to get better at eyeballing stuff at that point, since it's faster. Those techniques will help you when you can't make an accurate judgment.

>read loomis book
>starts with construction the goes from full featured head
>doesn’t explicitly show how to draw or place any feature of of the head
I’m I reading his wrong or something? It’s just making me more frustrated trying

Why the fuck do my drawings of things look worse if i slow down and focus on little sections

>>4475041
tunnel vision

>>4474994
I just got up out of bed so the quality is trash but

the fossae between pec and delt, between the two masses of the mastoideus, and between the two mastoids are usually what helps you turn the body, since they're mostly flat points as opposed to the twisting clavicle

from a reference but jesus christ i can't draw anything below a torso

>>4475097
time to grind feet then, fur pedo

>just feel the motion bro, like don't just draw the model
t-thanks vilppu...

>>4475097
you posted this shit in a previous thread with the exact same excuse, either draw what your bad at or shut the fuck up and never progress, people even replied to you to give you advice and you just post the same shit again

Studiesday

>>4474906
wow who is this mode.
wowza

>>4475089
You're absolutely right about the fossas. I'll be keeping an eye on them from now on. Never occured to me that I can use them as cues. Now that you pointed it out, I really did misdjudge his left side.

Shit?

Crits please

>>4475309

>>4475314

Ouch

>>4475314
pyw

I am doing gesture drawing right? Should I Just continue to draw if I want them to look Better and less stiff or I am doing something wrong?

Working on this

>>4475314
gimme the rest of that meme kek

>>4474970
I like the way you broke down the planes of the face. This makes sense to me. Thanks

Hey /ic/ does anyone has good source ou head/hair mapping ?

I noticed that when I try to draw a more detailed hair, I can't because Idk how long the hair line on the top of the head should be

I've read keys to drawing, fun with pencils, perspective made easy
and I still can't fucking even sketch
what the fuck
why is this shit so hard
why can't I do it

>>4475387
nobody here knows what a gesture is

Lips, started scanning things

>>4475404
you don't get skillups from reading a book in real life

>>4475404
You gotta use light and shadows if you truly want to add depth. If you're doing construction you need to make it more obvious that's what you're doing.

>>4475404

doesn't matter how many books you read as long as you don't grind that all into your subconscious brochacho

typical male gaze chicken scratches though, watch some proko to figure out what's actually important in the figure you're trying to copy

> u/theslutwholived

7/10 reference material

>>4475432
>>4475429
but what do I grind
this drawing was shit and feels like a waste of time
what do I practice exactly?
or should I just keep attempting this?

>>4475440

construction, gesture drawing, anatomy, shit like that

those books are 1) meant to get you started thinking as an artist, you gotta draw to *be* the artist 2) a perspective book lel

>>4475440
have you tried drawing fruits and glassware

>>4475440
Did you even do the exercises in the books? If not, you should do another read through making sure too understand, internalize, and do the exercises. Understanding concepts is only half the battle.

Just drew this one earlier in waterproof pen, kinda like it idk

>>4475449
I think that the line of the top of her shoulders are not parallel with the line of the bottom of her breasts

>>4474939
Pyw

>>4475474
why does it matter that its waterproof

>>4475440
if at first you don't succeed, never try again.

>>4475497
I could add depth to my drawing if I started playing around with different tones
but how the fuck do I make it not that flat with only lines?

>>4475466
B r u h

>>4475510
Draw a simple cube.
Doesn't it look not flat even though it's only lines?
Look at Loomis's spheres with the cross wrapped on them.
Again only lines, but they look 3D don't though?

>>4475510

go
watch
proko
please

>>4475298
nah, yer fine

>>4475520
I watched shit tons of proko videos already
I can't fucking reproduce what he's doing
Im gonna cry

>>4475520
>watch
>proko
>please

>>4475127
Don't know her name.
She has a large set of photos in the fine art gallery 1.
https://www.celimagesprovocateur.com/nyc-fine-art-nude-gallery

>>4475404
That doesn't look THAT bad. I mean, ok it is bad, but it's not hopeless or anything. You have the right idea, you can keep improving. Just gotta work on your line confidence, catching the smaller details, eventually adding shading, etc. It will all come with time.
Is there something specific you have a problem with?

>>4475544
as I started drawing from bottom to top the image turned flatter and flatter and I dont know why
thats why I gave up halfway
also I can't draw proper lines, only scribbles
I only started drawing like 2 weeks ago

>>4474759
>adobe illustrator is a monthly payment based service
>you could originally just buy a permanent license for an increased one off payment but as beyond CS6 this method of purchase was discontinued
what a bunch of jews

>>4475550
>not on track to master figure drawing by the end of month one
so there really are people born with zero talent for art

>>4475550
can you post the reference without your scribbles?

>>4475578

Hmmmm, how do I make my eyes more appealing.

>>4475585
I didn't look at the reference while drawing this but you get the point. Minimal hatching helps with form

>>4475432
>u/theslutwholived
>She deleted all her stuff.
Damn just like Scrandle

>>4475601
>I didn't look at the reference while drawing
it shows the legs are now logs, and the right hip is now in her ribcage how is that even possible, jesus

Any good exercises for drawing straight lines ?
I have a feeling that my basic sketches of household objects would look significantly better if i could actually draw a straight fucking line in one take.

I tried it again >>4475601

>>4475601
>>4475585

I think it's more important to have a solid construction. I haven't drawn in a year so forgive me for my trash.

The point is you want to tse contour light contour lines to make sure your drawing looks 3D and then ultimately you want to shade in your values. Cartoons and the likes use different methods like line-thickness and other things to give the illusion of depth.

>>4475660
why are you trying to draw THAT? Practice figure drawing, just figure drawing, stop drawing some thott for cooming. Pick up figure drawing course or a book. Now you are meandering in the dark like a hedgehog in a fog with help of some anon.

>>4475649
drawabox

>>4475623
Sorry, I was in a literal hurry. I assumed that's the ribcage poking through, but maybe it's a light trick. I'm not sure how to interpret it.

>>4475514
I am sorry!?

>>4475532
theres absolutely nothing wrong w/ Proko

>>4475404
you just need a lot more mileage, preferably from still-life

>>4475731
Why still life?

Any advice on loosening up? I get really tense while drawing. My neck always hurts when I'm done with my studies.

>>4475649
second this >>4475679

>>4475740
just relax bro

>>4475740
Stand up and stretch.

Find a good spot to draw with proper posture, grinding doesn't excuse poor posture.

>>4475749
Drawing is quite stressful tbqh

>>4475759
just chill breh

>>4475740
this but for back pain, I think im legitimately going to be crippled when i hit 50, my back aches from standing up to long now and im only 23

>>4475778
Do planks for 5 minutes across the day. Use your core muscles to hold your posture.

trying to draw a character concept, but i'm shit, any advice? this is just the basic pose right now, and i want to know if at least the proportions and angles look okay so far

my planner is the only thing i have on me right now btw, so excuse the lined paper

>>4475784
Took you three days to draw that?

>>4475739
theres no particular reason, but doing easy things like plants and cups is always a good start, and drawing from real life makes it easier to exercise 3D thinking

>>4475786
ay lamao

>>4475784
Boxes and cylinders. Draw is a mannequin made out of boxes. If it still looks like shit its time to grind your basic forms.

I know the proportions are jacked up but I like this hand I made when trying to learn hands just now. Much better than what mine used to look like already. Who knew practicing something would improve it?

>>4475784
you can try and draw your own stuff but if you don't study the boring stuff you'll never make it good.
in not trying to be malicious but at your current level it's not like any actual feedback can be given, go study your basics before drawing humans and once you can actually resemble something humanesce then post it so you can get actual feedback that will help you.
tldr: your drawing is so fundamentally incorrect, providing feedback for it would be hard to do

>>4475792
not entirely sure what you mean, like this?
>>4475797
yeah, thanks, i know

>>4474759
I got myself a Wacom One and photoshop, I've never drawn seriously before so where do you begin with this and how do you progress? I seem to have unsteady hands as well so I can't draw smooth lines or anything so how do you improve this?

>>4475837
WELCOME
TO
HELL

>>4475837
well first of all decide what do you want to draw and go from there. btw I don't think drawing good lines is really important in the early stages though drawabox guy disagrees so I dunno

>>4475858
drawabox guy definitely has some good advice that mostly conflicts with that usually given on /beg/.
the most glaring of which is his hatred of grinding, he believes it is completely pointless in terms of time invested to actual gain and I'd have to say i somewhat agree with him, especially for absolute beginners, that shit will just kill any actual interest you have

>>4475850
very nice
but you need to bring that eye more forward
and I dont understand the top of the nose, it looks like some kind of damage he suffered
also the nostrils

>>4475837
it doesn't matter how nice your lines are if you don't know where to put them in the first place.

>>4475869
It's because it's cartilage without the fleshy bits. It shows where the bone ends.

>>4475867
I haven't read his stuff that much. It's just drawing perfect lines is pretty much drawing for design ideation thing while it's much lesser priority in fine arts where you typically don't even use pens.

>>4475867
What exactly does he say about grinding? And how does he define grinding?

>>4474759
what's the best tutorial to follow? I have adhd

>>4475915
It's in the first lesson, he defines it as the pointless redrawing of a exercise in the pursuit of perfection of whatever it is.
He argues that if that same amount of time done grinding was distributed throughout the practice of multiple differing exercises you would in fact have a better grasp on drawing as a whole as apposed to someone who for example drew nothing but 2000 boxes a day.
By far his best advice is to not draw lines slow though, the slower you draw them the more the margin of error increases as the brain tries to course correct on what it thinks is right, he says to visualise the line as a whole and draw it in one stroke to avoid this, even if it looks horrible and wobbly to start with.

What is the optimal figure drawing routine for gains. How much time per day and how much time per pose.

Everything I draw sucks and it makes me miserable. I think I might be retarded too, since I still haven't figured out how to shade or use light and shadow.

>>4476100
Nobody knows. There's no secret formula. If you're going to do something do it as much as possible.

So I was looking for the art books and
>Figure drawing for dummies / by Kensuke Okabayashi
who the hell would read a book calling them a dummy lol

>>4476107
Yeah, that's pretty out of place. I think you'd prefer one that calls you a retard.

>>4476109
nah I'd prefer something like future picasso or something like that

rate and hate. I know its off, but i cant really put my finger where.

How far should I go with the rendering? There's no guide for that it's just intuition/
Though I think the most basic one would work best with this, just 2 tones on everything, that's what I intended when I started but it's tempting to try to render more

Drew a bunch of noses

>>4476105
No I want to do figure drawing (from reference) as little as possible.
I like working on my own pieces but I hate doing studies. But I know they're important for getting better. So what's a good minimum.

>>4475370
Don't outline until your gesture looks good.

>>4475786

>>4475786

I'm not very good but I think I'll get better with more practice. Still kinda happy with how this one came out.

definitely not using charcoal right but i found a box of it in my room and thought what the hell.
also ref is a model w a kind of strange face but i still feel like it looks wrong regardless

>>4476373
1) resize and rotate 2) that's not as bad as i expected

give it 6 more mths of grinding and you'd be a decent stylization artist

>>4476146
ok highelf

the nose is the most fucked part of the image

stop chickenscratching, make cleaner thinner lines in the hair and places
otherwise better than a lot of other things here

>>4476104
you're drawing like an ancient egyptian

go to the free courses thread and find steve huston's figure videos, he has a very long and useful bit on shadow and light in figure drawing

also why doesn't anyone rotate or resize to normal viewing sizes

>>4476383
could it be that eyes may be a bit on the lower side? i feel that forehead is too big.

rest i agree with you, you got me with the thick lines.

Chickenscratch anon here. I've just been grinding and drawing and reading and drawing. Right now I feel pretty good and am seeing an improvement by drawing all these Art Model figures.
I know I have a ways to go, but it's a far cry from the shitty, all-over proportions I've had going on.

what think. I know the texture is weird I used one of those scanner apps cause I don't have a real one

>>4476398

putting the nose lower fixes a lot of the proportion issues; the forehead is a bit tall but not by too much, you can get away with it

i'd bring the *ear* closer in rather than moving the eyes up (i feel they're already a bit too high up), that will help establish the planes of the head better

the ear starts approximately at the halfway point of the side of the head, and usually lines up with the eyebrows and the bottom of the nose in height

also be careful, since she's looking a slight bit up, we'll see the flat bottom of the jaw plane, straight from the chin to about a third of the neck (pink in the pic)

i drew her with human ears because that's what i know how to draw, but you should just morph that ear into a long ass triangle

>>4474843
why does it look copy pasted?

>>4476460
fuck, forgot the pic

>>4476458
anotha one. I still don't understand hands

>>4476460
>>4476463
Thanks a lot, thats some very helpful insight.
I intend to clean it up with your advice and do the linework in ink.
do you have any advice about using micropen?

>>4476405
construct the lower torso, her ass starts halfway along her spine which makes her look like she's missing some vertebrae

don't forget her far shoulder and arm anon

>>4476476

I do all my inking with fineliners, got a box of 12 unipin 0.5s for ten quid some time ago and they last a long time, but i also rarely use them since i mostly work digital or 2H pencil

pic related is the most condensed version of the basic inking/lineart things to keep in mind

you'll run through a LOT of ink and paper before you get good at it tho

check out drawabox for a different kind of ink content

and just draw daily that's it

>>4476500
Thank you, anon. ill try my best. ill keep reading the sticky.

>>4476513
don't overdo the sticky

there's no point in you doing all that if you're not actually having fun, doing your own sketches and drawings with an end goal in mind (like that high/blood elf!), don't waste away just studing the loomies and the willpoos until you get sick of your own art like 99% of this crab pit

got a twitter or somewhere public to post? having an archive is a great idea, esp a (semi)public one, don't wanna be a neet

I was thinking about it and making one to start posting my works I, have some that I feel happy with that maybe I should post.

Will definately work on it. as of now I have nothing to post it.

>>4476531
>>4476541
woops,forgot to reply.

>>4476469
someone give me feedback please i need it

>>4476541
you seem like a cool bro, if you ever come around to it drop me a message on @kneelian1

i'll be hitting the sack now tho sun's comin up, godspeed brø

>>4476469
you should definitely reference and maybe copy a bit of some cartoon/comic styles similar to yours

it reminds me of the gorillaz and maybe a bit of scott pilgrim

otherwise you should definitely just start drawing your characters actually *doing* things and not NPCing around

Does anyone has something good for boobs perspective, gravity and movement practice?

If so I'd very much appreciate it thanks

>>4476571 watch woman get fuck

>>4475731
more forearm shit

HOW do i draw smooth lines in adobe animator?

I’ve given up hope.

>>4475784
I'm very conflicted watching this because of the planner. I'm not certain if this was stolen from somebody else to make fun of here or if this is legit. This lacks any type of gesture, lines are extremely rough, none of it seems in place...

It's okay to let fly your imagination on some 'OC' but if you're a beginner it's not a crime to copy from somebody else or real life when you're learning regardless of what people here might lure you in. I see you used a little bit of construction but that ain't it chief, you have to learn proper construction and use reference blend in both until you're good enough to start creating from imagination because it's a hard task.

If you took this from someone else you're a fucking piece trash fuck you, you piece of shit if you only knew how bad things really are for somebody to draw on a planner which probably belongs to a family member like a granny or an older parent. If this is the real deal keep going strong my man.

>>4476673
found a usable modification to achieve the end result, but is there anything that would draw smooth shapes to begin with? the pen tool is actually horrible with this

>>4474928
Thank you so fucking much, Glen is so much better at teaching, I finally understand gesture

>>4476708
Dont give up Anon

Recent construction I did, does anyone have any tips for drawing shapes in different perspectives? I've been having a lot of trouble with it

>>4475376
keep it up

>>4475425
pretty good

>>4476708
Sp l a s h!!

>>4475681
>>4475601

not the op, but:
the point came across, didnt it? this board is too focused on small details

I've been in this so much time.

>Me: Im going to practice daily this week for sure
>Lets keep doing some gestures for some days
>Feel like shit, looks like that too
>Staring to feel more confidence besides the fact is still looking like shit
>Take a break a couple of days
>Days become weeks
>oh shit
>Start again
>Do gestures
>Looks like shit
>The circle go on again..

How you guys keep your rythm?..

>>4476970
Well, if you post it crit should help you grow. For example, I can tell that you're not giving the foreheads enough space, they are really small. You can start by fixing that.

>>4476810
Resize it dumbass

>>4475449
improving draftmanship/lineart will help you more than going straight to values. better to do form-studies

>>4477015

>>4476970
not setting retarded goals for yourself based on memes would be a good start.

>>4477035
I'm not exactly sure what you're talking about.

>>4477046
gesture spam is a joke. gesture spam under extreme time constraints is a bad joke.
gesture spam under extreme time constraints and expecting them to look good is just taking the joke too far.

>>4477066
pyw

>>4477011
Daim, orginal looks like toddler sctibbles compared to this.

>>4477069
no. keep doing warmup exercises as your only drawing and wondering why you don't get better lmao

anyone here have aphantasia? i have a neuro disorder and am struggling greatly with improving my art given that i have no image recall

do i stop bitching and keep drawing or is it hopeless?

Can someone PLEASE tell me how often you take you pen off the paper when you are drawing and why, how long do you keep your pen or pencil on while drawing something

>>4477130
Why not just keep reference of what you're drawing next to you

I need advice on what to do better on this unfinished picture. Specific critique welcome.

>>4477131
Depends on the line length

>>4476970
Why don't you try actually drawing something

>>4477135
Finish it

>>4477134
i use references when they're available, but it's discouraging seeing how awful my work is without references.

do even the best artists always use references? i hear mixed things on the matter

>>4477131
I keep my pen on the paper while I'm drawing a line. I remove it from the paper when I'm not drawing a line to not make a line.

>>4477147
Yes, even professionals who have been drawing/painting for decades use references, it's insane to expect someone to remember the exact details of every object/part of the body, especially in your case

>>4475309
Arms to imaceated, right deltoid to pronounced, b oobs stiff like fakes, face is undercooked, ribline arbitrary given lack of anatomical consideration. The left forearm is either curved or broken. Hope this helps!

>>4477127
you're doing a lot of assuming there my dear retard
>gesture is only a warmup exercise
it's easy to build off of any gesture drawing, timed drawings are a common method of practice to have a better foundation. why openly reject practice for building skills for figure drawing? oh wait, you just want to shit on others because you're own lack of development

>>4477130
yes, the big thing is that you have to account for the differences whenever you listen to somebody's advice. any dynamic sketching type shit where people want you to put down decisive lines at the start goes right out the window, think on the paper itself, take full advantage of eraser/ctrl-z and work in layers.
also, if you're like me you can still imagine with proprioception even if you can't imagine with vision. if you understand the forms you're working with, you can still imagine yourself running your hand or a pencil over it and translate it to the paper, even if you can't see what the line would look like before you draw it.

>>4477154
1 mins are for fucking about and warming up.

>>4476458
It's aesthetically pleasing, but not anatomically correct.

feedback?

>>4477185
better do not use this soft edge brush until you know what you doing(or at all)

>>4477185

Hi anon, It's not bad however I would like to save you years of frustration and help you become a better artist.

>First ditch the digital (for now)
i know the appeal of digital is high but at this stage it will only hinder your development as artist. the reason for this is you need to build up dexterity and accuracy with a pencil. Digital as much as it has improved will never have the precision of a pencil. master the pencil and digital will come easy.

>second, when it comes to anatomy there are plenty of great methods, techniques and traditions to achieving an accurate and lively figure how you decide to balance that is your style. But i would suggest for now to pick one method and focus on it's accuratge application with lines, contour and construction, ignore shading for now.

>last but not least draw, draw, draw.

>>4477035
>>4477066
>>4477127
>>4477163
>mfw anon couldn't into gesture and convinced himself it's a meme instead of admitting he's a failure
pyw already you fucking crab, I could use a laugh.

>>4477131
the most solid advice i was given is never to take the pen off the paper when drawing a line, fits more important for you to develop a constant flow rather than worry about accuracy earlier on (i.e, even if a line is off course just focus on making it as straight as possible) never take your pen off if you want a line, that how chicken scratching happens

~ free to post even the smallest exercise you have

Studying gesture. Thoughts?

>>4477320
you're missing the point
these are not gesture drawings

>>4477323
Okay, let's say it's not "pure" gesture drawings, but I'm trying to apply principles of gesture to my drawings instead of trying to construct using geometric forms.

Will this board ever call anything a "gesture" drawing if it's not a direct photocopy of one of Vilppu's gestures?
If every single person who posts here gets told "that's not gesture" then maybe the problem is with the learning materials?

>>4477338
Yeah. It's a principle, not some separate from of drawing that should look as if Vilppu drew it. You don't make a "perspective" drawing - you use it for your drawings, same with gesture.

Anyone have that gigantic folder of tutorials like pic related?

>>4477379
That's Teal Line Guy, he used to do a bunch of teal line sketches on /ic/ https://m.imgur.com/gallery/8eHzD

ok guys I know the face is ugly but I think I made a big step forward in overall quality

>>4477386
Thanks

>>4477386
Can you give me a rundown of this Teal guy? What was he like? Did d/ic/ks respect him? Where is he now?

>>4477398
Good job on making it cleaner.
Your faces are hideous but you seem to like them that way so whatever.
You really need to fix the deformed right hand though.

>>4477398
You're using softer shapes for your body, but outside of the face the hands look like an afterthought. The hand over here breasts look like they have arthritis and the fingers on the far side have four joints. The far side hands also has a very flat joint for between the fingers when it should be curved, because the base hand is both a curved box; has a curved edge, and your fingers are all different sizes. You'd benefit from some hand studies.

>>4477401
I remember hearing he got run off because he liked drawing loli and apparently his family figured it about it. But I've also seen work in his style here every now and then so I think he's still around. Idk I've been on and off 4chan for years so my account is not accurate

why do people refuse to post work

>>4477455
Because they are either garbage or coomer pedos.

>>4477473
I mean it's fine to be garbage as long as you're not a shitposting crab

>>4476850
Will do!

how unethical is to draw clothes over a silhouette? Should I just take it as a reference and draw in parallel?

>>4477455
Either they're bad and embarrassed to post or they're good and don't want to be associated with 4chan.

>>4477593
You should learn to draw the silhouette first.

I do studies

>>4476970
Fix your screen's aspect ratio. It's all stretched to shit.

>>4477185
Do it with a thin brush without any dynamics, that is not setting size or opacity to pressure. And do not make up shit that is not in the picture.

If I want a step by step course as a supplemental, are any of the courses on Udemy good? especially since I want to learn environmental/landscape/concept type work
I understand the usefulness of learning form as I go along but I also want to feel like I'm progressing towards what my actual goal is rather than feeling like I'm only going towards animation/character design.

>>4477675
udemy is probably your worst choice, even bobbicus rossicus is better

CGMA, gnomon, schoolism, NMA all have some enviro/landscape design things you could look into

>>4474759
can anons tell visually what this drawing is meant to be ?
I'm trying to avoid chicken scratches at all costs by sticking with the flow of the line, even if it isn't particularly accurate.

Here's an armorless amazon,other than the hand and face what could I fix?

>>4477707
Proportions. Legs are super tiny.

>>4477696
ok being that I'm not looking to go professional and I'm already in college It seems like a difficult choice. nma and schoolism is better suited to my time and way of wanting to learn, gnomon is way too intense and formal for me, a literal art school where most courses are on campus which is not what I'm looking for. cgma seems really good, especially for digital art. But GOD DAMN is it expensive.
I might try NMA landscape courses and just try to transfer the methods over to digital, I have decent knowledge in photoshop, I can look of techniques if I become stuck too.

>>4477761

anon
all the resources i suggested can be found for free
we have a video courses sharing thread here, and a book sharing thread, and you *should* register on cgpeers and gfxpeers for the art course torrents

i've spent a total of about 20 bucks on resources but watched hundreds of hours, funny how that works

>>4477772
aw shit. ok I guess I'll look into that

>>4477773
>>4425269

here u go bro

How do I get the will to never give up even if my art is shit?

>>4476572
I'm ace tho

>>4477398
Anon you're doing something wrong, draw fucking eyelashes

>>4477700
Deer

>>4477797
Ask someone to kick you in the balls every time you give up.

I think I’m getting better?

>>4477886
And without the pencils. I’m trying to figure out painting and drop inking altogether. My drawings always seemed to fall apart at inking. Maybe I could just learn to ink better.

>>4477891
Try that without the penis

>>4477398
Dude did you just draw ure mom naked? Disgusting.

How do I find the ear line reliably?

I’m struggling with finding where to anchor it.

>>4477634
I like it anon, keep it up.

>>4477902
You must be confusing this with my previous picture in this thread. >>4476708

>>4477891
It's still not good on its own. Need lineart

>>4477905
Just feel it uwu

>>4477905

the ear and nose line cross at 90 degree angles at the poles, and the eye line is the equator

that's the autistic theory; the practise is drawing stuff using what you know and then fixing it using the theory

>>4477924
Suck my pp

>>4477926
Thank you, that was my assumption, just needed clarification.

>>4477793
damn, I guess I'll have to register on one of those sites. most of the stuff in that thread is portrait/anatomy. But then again /ic/ and most art communities are most entirely about drawing characters and stuff. do you know of any good resources or forums on top of this where there are more landscape/environment artists?

I don't understand how sketching works. How do good artists use like 3 lines for an eye and yet it looks appealing and correct? I can capture the mood but I lose the appeal. Or I can make it appealing but then I can't capture the expression. If I focus on getting one part right then I lose the proportion of the rest of it. Fucking hell I don't fucking get it. Even though I understand the structure of the face how the fuck do I use this structure to make it look good?

>>4477935
Also like if you look at the eyebrows in the photo they're rectangular as fuck. But if I draw them as rectangles they look like hot shit. Even though it's "correct" it looks shit. How the fuck do I capture eyebrows if I can't draw the way they look? Fuck.

Is this have any sense?
I barely understand what I'm doing myself and cant hands. But tried to solve original to do something.

>>4477944

>>4477934
unironically /ic/ is probably the best community out there after the death of daggers and conceptart dot cum :/

traddy forums are dead, and we're lingering like ghosts

but yeah cgpeers/gfxpeers has most of the content you need

NMA also offers a 3 day free trial (card needed) which you can cancel before billing, but you can just use a video downloader to download the videos you want, they have a lot of enviro stuff

also look for uhh matte painting tutorials i think is the term

>>4477947
for cgpeers/gfxpeers I haven't done that stuff since limewire. where do I start? I have a vpn but I thought vpn's don't help when downloading stuff?
also cgpeers is out until they open up registration again.
but for gfxpeers it says you need to share content and always seed. what If I don't have any content to share? and can't seeding be risky?

>>4477314
thumbs-up-emoji

>>4477398
use this kind of fading brush for lineart-control

>>4477909
ditto

did the exageration exercice from ctrl paint

what do you think ?

>>4477797
I know exactly how you feel but if we give up part way through you'll just end up feeling worse than if you worked through it! Lets get better, together!

Does anyone know what you do to get your lineart to blend in with the colors like you see in a lot of anime? Is it a blending or filtering trick or is it something where you just have to manually color over the lineart as well?

>>4477797
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXsQAXx_ao0

>>4477152

It does, thanks. One question, what do you mean by face undercooked... too cartoony vs. rest of character?

>>4478026
draw a nintendo switch in front of him

>>4477138

Like this?

>>4478095
where is her right hip running off to?

I after a shower I Invented some improvements but something is still wrong with this leg

>>4478034
it's a trick, you can just google colored lineart

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrUqoraQTMY

first result for me, already acceptable

>>4478095
Yeah, that ain't bad.
Keep doing more stuff like that. Just don't get complacent and keep trying to actively improve by analyzing your mistakes and finding solutions, forcing yourself outside of your comfort zone, etc.

>>4477974

you don't need a vpn for private trackers usually, never got an email for it, especially for one so niche as gfxpeers

seeding's not really risky, no, and cgpeers is too full of iranian autists who explode into jihad when they see a titty to pose a threat

for the sharing you can just seed no need to post original stuff
the first 5 gigabytes are free, then after that your required rate goes up to 0.6 (for every gb you download you must seed 600mb), it's not hard to achieve, i have 224gb/177gb download/upload without any original stuff

>>4478126
there's also this dude that takes the stuff from cgpeers and places and uploads it to traditional download sites but it's a PITA to use

http://online-courses.club/the-art-of-colour-and-light-with-marco-bucci/

the courses are basically the same

>>4478154
>>4478154
>>4478154