/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4472852
-e.

>>4472852
That is actually appealing desu

>>4472852
Sure, they could. They're just too busy focusing their effort towards furfaggotry.

>>4472852
OP cant stop sucking -

>>4472852
where are the HUGE FUCKING ANIME TIDDY

>>4472852
There are better examples than whatever the fuck this is, and this myth has already been disproven anyway, so why keep making these threads?

That's sick yo
Although it isn't exactly anime-like I quite like it
Maybe I will manage to make anime one day after all

>>4472852
First off they can, and second off I can name like 10 better examples than what you posted.

>>4472852
btw this is from the 1980s LOTR cartoon

>>4472852
Saved pic related from previous thread. Can y'all hide this obvious bait thread i responded to?

>>4472876
>>4472937
>cope

>>4472985
The 2nd and 3rd from the top row shows the biggest issue with most Westerners who try to draw anime, they use Photoshop effects and lens flare and other shit instead of actually putting the effort in.

>>4473117
You first.

>>4472974
Ok I'm picking it up. Forgive me, Tolkien, but you didn't finish much and I must consoome.

Those 80s american cartoons animated by the japanese are visually pretty kino desu
Too bad 2010s cartoons don't look as charming

>>4472852
>>western artists

This was literally by a Japanese studio, OP. Don't bait.

>>4472852
The problem is with this argument (and similar ones like it) is that we are talking in present terms, ask yourself if your average cartoon network animator can replicate the same kind of animation during its peak? Probably not. Your average 2d animation is now over simplified shapes; eerily similar to those modern abstract art pieces of taping bananas onto walls for 5 gorillion dollary-doos.

But one thing I'll give credit for gaijin piggus is that they recently developed automatic shading using AI on their netflix show, making it look 3d. (Its the cartoon that looks 3d CG and it has Santa in it)

>>4473210
Where is this from? Looks really cute

>>4473233
This. Most calarts shitters are taught to draw low-tier crap since audiences are getting dumber by the year.

>>4473405
Dungeons&Dragons TV series

>>4472852
I think girls with oval shaped heads and lanky proportions are the future

>>4472938
>>4473225

>In 1977, Rankin/Bass produced an animated version of J. R. R. Tolkien's The Hobbit. It was followed in 1980 by an animated version of The Return of the King
>Rankin/Bass Productions, Inc. (founded as Videocraft International, Ltd. and later known as Rankin/Bass Animated Entertainment) was an American production company, known for its seasonal television specials, particularly its work in stop motion animation.
>Nearly all of the studio's traditional animation was outsourced to at least five Japanese animation companies: MOM Production, Toei Animation, TCJ (Television Corporation of Japan), Mushi Production and Topcraft.

So there's no hope for me making an anime after all

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>>4473129
I see it a lot with Japanese artists, what's your point? Have you ever even been on Pixiv?

Can I have a quick rundown on how the "westerners can't draw anime" meme generated from? Fake anime styled children cartoons like Ben 10?

>>4473435
Many of the Japanese animators who worked on the Rankin-Bass LOTR cartoons ended up becoming the founding employees of Studio Ghibli. BTW, since it hasn't been mentioned yet, the OP shows Eowyn fighting the Witch-King.

>>4473450
Jap artists aren’t nearly as sloppy with their effects, and they usually hand draw them. You must be blind if you think those two images are comparable to anything on the front page of Pixiv.

>>4473490
Except they are comparable to a anything posted on Pixiv. It's laughable how you could only cherrypick 2 images out of that cluster of art and strawman "muh lense flair."

>>4472985
I agree with the sentiment this image is getting across, but whoever gathered these really didn't pick the best examples.
The entire top row looks like western social media front pagers (idk how better to explain-- it just doesn't look quite japanese to me)

on the middle row, I can only confidently say that the ibaraki (3rd) img looks like it isn't western. First two look like they're from deviantart.

Bottom row has the highest ratio of passing, with the exception being the last manga-style image. The second image also is pretty close but something about the faces on the background props gives it away.

I don't think any of these images are really bad though, just not very good examples of westerners passing off as actual japanese artists..

>>4473405
> reminder that there are zoomers here

>>4472852
That's not anime

Off-topic I know, but what is this style of Japanese-American coproduction called? Are there any similar styles in both pure eastern and western works?

>>4473424
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>>4473443
>I think girls with oval shaped heads and lanky proportions are the future
But it has already been done

Martin mystery

>>4474733
mannerism 100

>>4474167
I'm the guy who made the image, and I didn't really want to spend hours going through each artists portfolio so instead I just gathered some random images from them. The point of that image wasn't to show that western artists are better than eastern artists at anime, obviously thats not true, I was just trying to show that it's possible to adapt a anime looking artstyle if you're not japanese. The thing is people whenever having these arguments act like its some kind of impossible feat for a western artist to have an anime artstyle, like climbing mount everest in a wheelchair while blindfolded. So I made the list to show its possible.

>I agree with the sentiment this image is getting across, but whoever gathered these really didn't pick the best examples.

Here's a better example from Toni Infante.
You should consider checking out some of the artists other images if you ever have the time, it's not really fair to judge
an artist just on one image they made.

>>4472852
Some can but most of them are of asian descent, funnily enough.

>>4474701
DIC (french?)

BTW, the yellow orbot made my pp hrd

>>4474733
and it should be done again

>>4473443
>>4474733
Nice giraffes but no thanks
Speaking of fads, the male chin on girls meme needs to die too

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>>4473443
Sauce?

>>4474733
At last I truly see

>>4475110
Wandering Island

>>4474167
Post your chart

>>4473435
Move to Japan. Anime isn't genetics, it's cultural influences. WESTERNERS can't make anime because they're westerners, not because they're black or white.

>>4476001
Proof?

>>4473464
It's defeatist /begs/ who watch anime and think they want to draw it joining forces with trolls and people who are influenced by the extreme examples shown in these threads. This is to say some claim it's impossible to cope with their failure, some say it's impossible to put others down/meme, and some say it's impossible because they've been taught to say so by the latter two through misinformation and extreme examples.

>>4476001
That will be difficult but I guess learning Japanese would be a good start

>>4476011
You first.

>>4473464
It started from deviantart and how we all used to be so bad, we called ourselves posers. Obviously not true, but it was funny then and it’s still funny now.

>>4472852
Obviously they can, otherwise they wouldn’t be working in animation studios in japan drawing the anime.

>>4473464
I think it mostly comes from the western how to draw anime books that were popular in the early 2000s, as well as cartoon artists like butch hartman trying to draw anime.

>>4472985
inb4 half of these turn out to be SE/Asians just born or living there

>>4473464
It's just that western artists worth their salt don't even bother with anime, and the ones that do are more interesting in muh style.

>>4474895
I wish there was higher-quality lewd art of Bo and Boo. For two characters who's whole gimmick was they can change their shape, you'd think there'd be a ton of opportunities for /d/ tinged work.

>>4474701
Character designers was Akio Sugino so I don't think I would exactly call that "western"

>>4473210
8 year old me thought this was related to Magic School Bus.

>>4472852
>this
>anime

She looks like a character from fucking He-Man.

>>4473464
>Can I have a quick rundown on how the "westerners can't draw anime" meme generated from?

Sometimes it's "drawing the nose as a small potato instead of a line", sometimes it's the over-pronounced lips and sometime it's just that the facial symbols are drawn/arranged in a way that screams "inauthentic". There's no solid thing you can actually put a finger on but somehow you just know there's something off from looking at it.

I am not saying westerners can't draw anime, it's just that there exists a lot of people who are either unable/can't/won't fully copy the style they want to emulate despite wanting to profit off it.

>>4472985
The issue with this is that virtually all of those examples are far too japanese in their subject matter. It's fine to draw in the japanese style that is anime but to actually draw japanese subject matters is pointless
The girl with the scroll in her mouth is japanese fashion, the girl with horns is japanese folklore, the girl with the big coat is japanese, half the charactrs in these are japanese.

These subject matters hold great meaning to the Japanese people, that's why they draw them, why they make anime inspired by them, but we are not Japanese, it means nothing to us, it is not our history, not our folklore or culture

The typical new years shrine episode of every anime is Japanese culture, it would be meaningless for a westerner to create such an episode in the west because we don't do it.

Find what's good in the west and draw that, currently all people in the west care to draw are stories that aren't theirs, find your own culture

Western people can draw anime, just as much as they can speak japanese.

>>4480957
>can draw anime
see pic
>speak japanese.
https://www.youtube.com/user/Dogen/videos

yea I agree! :)

>>4480957
Jesus Christ

>>4480957
Wtf

>>4480144
>to actually draw japanese subject matters is pointless
>it means nothing to us
Cultural expressions frequently go extinct because they lose meaning to their respective peoples, they're not constant things even if you want them to be. They also morph because of intermingling between cultures, and a current world pop culture example of this is Dragon Ball, it's a parody of a Chinese folk tale made by a Japanese guy.

>These subject matters hold great meaning to the Japanese people
About as much meaning as dragons, elves, wizards' hats and knights' armor do to us, in other words not a lot. Non-Westerners constantly use "western" stuff either because it was imposed on them or they just adopted it, and nobody bats an eye at it. You're a prisoner of the dominant culture.

>>4480144
No thanks, rather draw a cute and soft anime girl rather than faggy capeshit with tranny "progressive" SJW characters

>>4480144
If I am given the power to choose and draw anything why would I choose to draw my own culture when I can draw the superior Japanese culture?

>>4481450
*my own inferior culture