/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

First post to say if you need to ask you ngmi also pyw

>>4461339
This thread is for all begs to post their work anon

>>4461341
I know I'm just shitposting, also *coof* *coof*

Some cube practice

Is loomis good or just a meme?

>>4461371
It’s recommend for a reason.

>>4461350
connect the lines properly you sketching faggot, 0/10

>>4461350
gmi

>>4461371
It's good if you don't have other resources, otherwise there's better stuff that will get you through quicker with less frustration and boredom.

>>4461394
Would Michael Hampton's Figure Drawing Design and Invention be better?

I can't tell if my technique is improving, but I'm getting faster.

>>4461434
I’m gonna report you for debasement of currency

>>4461434
Do you do tik tok videos?
Cause that's a trend

>>4461434
I don't film painting but that would be kinda cool. This one took about 10 minutes.

is drawing actually fun when you get good at it
asking for a friend

>>4461627
yeah that's why we all keep trying to get there.

>>4461627
fwiw I have more fun when I'm drawing from imagination and trying to solve a specific problem, or if I'm studying a reference to help me solve a particular problem in my imagination drawing. Basically when I'm drawing for a purpose rather than just doing mindless grinding.

>>4461627
action comes before motivation

>>4461607

fitz studies

>>4461338

how many years left until I make it?

>>4461689

>>4461740
It's all up to you. Keep at it.

I haven't been drawing for a few months and would like to go back to learning. What can I do to quickly remind my hand how to move? Just trace some stuff?

>>4461885
just draw

>>4461394
>otherwise there's better stuff that will get you through quicker with less frustration and boredom.
Like what? Drop some names please.

>>4461371
Loomis is more intermediate / expert level advice.

practicing skulls from imagination

>>4462156
nice keep at it anon.

i wish i was smarter

>>4462075
Vilppu

>>4461338
When does your art stop looking so ugly and finally get good?

I think im ready for hyper angles now.
This sinix video about faces helped make things easier.

How do I draw this foot?

>>4462217
nice

>>4462230
wedge in perspective

>>4462217
>still flat

lol

>>4462230
you can try this

>>4461624
i'm too busy being paranoid with this shit

>>4462156
pretty good

>>4462286
Christ man, you've been at that for a week now. The time wasted on that could've been spent on actual studies. Move on.

Maybe if I keep on drawing heads I’ll finally be able to properly do one

Just got my tablet in today! It's been a while since I've done digital art, since my intuos 3 was rendered useless due to OS updates lmao...
Anyways, figured it would be good to start at the basics.... good ol loomis

>>4462298
I'm really slow anon pls no bully. either way it's finished

What resources are you guys using to start learning figure drawing? If it's the stuff in the sticky, which was your favorite?

Traditional watercolorfag here trying to digitally paint skin. I like what I have so far but I feel like something is still off. Any tips would be appreciated.

What's a good exercise to get better at drawing garments?

Just reference drawing?

>>4462354
yes

how the fuck do i construct the pelvis/hip/ass area, using a box isnt clicking at with me since all the muscles and fat covering the pelvis

>>4462276
How is this fiat?

>>4462403

hi brothers
im new with electronic drawing and i have to say that is veeery enjoyable uwu
(still beg tho)

/beg/ should be deleted. This is a containment thread at best. Nobody ever critiques and nobody even replies to each other. What's the point?
Leave this crab filled bucket before it's too late.
You've been warned.

>>4462457
Ur good
>>4462404
Ugly
>>4462403
Cool
>>4462373
Draw bones

>>4462461
The crabs have learned deception

>>4462403
my sister have meter high picture of this made from small tones or something. is this some famous thing?

>>4462355
Noses aren’t pink and her cheeks look burned

>>4462156
where did you learn the basics of skulls, anon?

>>4461627
is quite relaxin too

Doodling by pen is like minesweeper or something. But trying to pull off something specific and more complex is exhausting

>>4462300
if gi saw this he'd beat you with a long ink brush

>>4462457
>electronic drawing
>uwu
what fucking age are you?

>>4462469
that's gustav klimt inspo

>>4462075
Some might disagree but I find Steve Huston, Vilppu and Hampton better.

Hello, I'm asking for genuine advice/redlining on this piece. (mostly redlining, for the pose and/or the body shape, please) I don't know where else to ask on here.

>>4461434

>>4462640
I think it looks good!
Is her butt supposed to be that flat in the back?

>>4462202
you get some things, but others you don't
analyze the pose, what is she doing? how hard is she leaning backwards to reach the wall? where is her center of gravity? how far from the wall are her shoulders, hips and each feet? what pelvis angle can you infer from illiac crest's position?
those should give you more insights on the pose to make it more three dimensional
also consuming a lot of draw porn trains you to overestimate hip and thigh volume
also if you plan on doing naked studies, unless you're particularly interested in how high heels work, I'd suggest bare footed images instead

>>4462276
it's misaligned, not flat, because most of the anime art works with the actual assumption of the face being flat, that's why 3D animu games need to distort the face when showing it from angles in order to make it look like it does in 2D

>>4462659
Dude no one cares about this shit, if you didn't have the novelty of drawing on coins then people would be shitting all over your trash drawings.

>>4462667
then shit on them, it doesn't matter where I paint them.

Imagination loomis method what do you think ?

Small brushes r fun

Tried to return to this thing but in kind of bad and do not work. But it's pity to trow it away

Hi /beg/, in the original on the left, the character seems to be looking away from the viewer, but in my copy on the right, she clearly seems to be looking directly at the viewer instead, and I can't for the life of me figure out why.
Can anyone see what's causing this?

>>4462817
this the white to black ratio in the eye that indicate to our brain if someone is looking at us or looking away.

you put too much white in the left of the left eye and a bit too much in the left of the right eye

let me grab toshop I'll show you

>>4462824
>>4462817

>>4462824
>>4462830
Aha!
Thank you anon, that really helped.

>>4462830
magic

>>4462784
practice hands. Not bad

>>4461350
dude cubes lmao

>>4462817
Why are you copying bad drawings?

>>4462843
It's fun

>>4462778
I like your heads. there is a clear front plane which makes them look more 3d. Keep practicing annone

Bridgman figures!

>>4462861

>>4462862

>>4462817

>>4462864
It's actually difficult to see the differences between your piece and what you're copying, it's quite different from seeing someone else's drawing and their reference.
There's a fancy term for it that I can't remember, but it's why digital artists flip their canvas all the time. Seeing it mirrored is like seeing it with fresh eyes.

>>4462784
I'm having a hard time believing that somebody who is able to construct that type of body struggles making straight lines

>>4462864
how can you be so stupid that you answer the question for yourself and then ask it again ...

hum I asked some people and yes it's somewhat harder to see/hear/feel difference between two things if you are not proeficient since your early childhood and have mastered it by now... hmmmm...

HOW CAN'T YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO DRAWINGS !!?? ?

Those people are literal autists, aren't they ?

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OVERLOAD BUUUURSSSTTT!!!

I ditched the lineart and in the end I painted over everything zooming out and watercoloring in a way that looked good from afar.
Though I'm not sure the characters look realistic enough.

>>4462890
Seriously any tips to improve the characters? Man I thought I was a pro but looking at it now that I posted it, it's way too unpolished. But I polished it for a lot of time already

>>4462892
Your rendering and blending are really sloppy. Just look at good paintings and try to replicate what they do.

>>4462910
I was looking at this one but somehow I didn't replicate the extreme contrast, yeah I'll work more on that

>>4462875
Its half traced

>>4462875
The body is nothing impressive. It's wonky at places but the lines don't look that bad. It's just not properly inked/cleaned up.

>>4462890
check your discord please

I decided to keep (some) track of my drawings now, this one took about 2 hours

>>4463010
sorry, forgot to resize, also fixed her arm

it's a trap!

>>4462300
You need to learn how to properly line up eyes, noses, and mouths first by using guidelines. I suggest that you use a grid as a beginner. A grid is when you break down a portrait into squares and do the same on your paper and follow along with each square. Look up portrait grids on YouTube, Alyssa monks uses this method often with her photorealistic drawings.

And I think Gi would be happy that you are making art.

>>4462304
Dude, do some legit anatomy and perspective studies. Loomis won’t make your rendering any better. Start studying models.

>>4462778
I think you need to start rendering these babies and learn about value. Also study real people. Loomis has the tendency to draw the same 50s white man and white woman that it can take away from originality. Get a bunch of color print outs of people and go to town.

>>4462791
You are 3-4 hours away from having a decent study. Don’t stop, keep at it.

>>4462861
When you make a study, don’t just go though the motions and draw. Make these look good! I don’t know why instructors don’t harp on this more. Just because it is a form that’s not human doesn’t mean you just draw and throw away. Use the opportunity to work on concept and design. Don’t crowd the page with figures, make these figures dynamic in space. Use the opportunity to place figures on a realistic plane with a horizon line and perspective with the figures.

You waste so much time going through the motions. Make it fun!

>>4462875
I used a ref, that's why

>>4463077
Should've posted it too, shit

>>4462890
Why is the anatomy so off? Why do the figures look like plastic? Why is your background so plain and poorly constructed? Why didn’t you spend more time making a more engaging composition? Why is your use of colors make everything look muddled?

Your underdrawing is weak and poorly referenced, by doing so your final painting looks uninspired and weak. Even if you went into this and spent another 20 hours working you have made an incredibly lifeless and boring composition. You really should go back to life drawing, color theory, and drawing landscapes and buildings from life. Do that for like 2 months then come back to this and redraw it with your new skills. Study from life!!!

>>4463088
Actually you're spot on, I didn't know WHAT to draw, I just drew a soldier and I was gonna ask in /beg/ what else should I make for a composition but I figured it wasn't a proper question for the thread so I just continued without ideas, it really is lifeless. I like my sketch of the soldier though.
The background was a necessity and has no construction.

Can the soldier posing like that make for an interesting illustration or was I doomed from the start?

>>4463085
That’s not how you use a reference. It’s there to draw from, not trace and stick a badly drawn anime head on top of it. You have got to learn how to manipulate figures in space and alternate how that figure positions itself. You should have just tried to draw the photo completely as a study instead of making it look like an original drawing to build on your ability to visualize the figure.

You guys have to start doing life drawing, still life’s, figure drawing, landscape studies, grid drawings, perspective. You can’t just jump into drawing without some base knowledge to work from. A beginner should always start in reality and understand how things work in space before you start creating alterations and focusing on style. I would even argue that loomis isn’t beneficial until you have a base understanding of form. I see so many badly drawn loomis studies it hurts. Learn the rules, they are everywhere.

>>4463106
That’s your problem. You need to work out what exactly you want to draw first before you start your final draft.

You need to view successful drawing as making a successful research paper. First you create an outline for what you want to do. In drawing this is making a thumbnail and gathering reference material for your work. A thumbnail is working though the problems of what it is you wish to make. Then you make the rough draft. Artists call this the tight rough. Tighten up the drawing so that there aren’t any surprises when you begin painting. Then when you paint you need to have a proper distinction between your warm colors and cool colors. Just placing colors together without any thought will make paintings look like a muddled mess. Remember when you have too many complementary colors together you cancel them out and lose the luminous nature of those colors.

So ditch this and start with a thumbnail and reference photos and DECIDE what to draw. Make a tightrough that is a very well done drawing. Start with that, and repost your tight rough. Then once you’ve posted it and gotten the ok, figure out what warm and cool colors you will be using, and post color studies. Do several color studies! Repost and we will take a look.

Still going through Loomis, rate, my dudes.

>>4463039
This was the first thing I made with my tablet. I figured starting out with basic stuff would be good to get back into the mindset of drawing. Im not doing this to get better at rendering.

>>4463107
Well I've never claimed it as my own drawing, was just using the reference to draw details in it, since most of the time whenever I do gestures they're naked. Now that corona is at it's full power I'm picking up George Bridgman's constructive anatomy to draw better. Though I don't know how exactly how could I do still lifes with just black and white alone. Do you mind sharing any examples or artists?

>>4463107
>You guys have to start doing life drawing, still life’s, figure drawing, landscape studies, grid drawings, perspective
Nah.

>>4463107
Can you post your work? I want to see how that helped your overall work.

>>4463234
Regardless if he does post work or not he's still in the right although the drawing he's critiquing isn't all that bad proportion wise.

>>4463234
9 chances out of 10 that he won't do it...

>NOoo you can't try things, you need to learn anatomy to do thing like I want to do but never do!!! your drawing suck!!
>but why my drawing suck mister anonymous ?
>y-you d-don't feel the f-form, y-you n-need to study a-anatomy
>can you show me the mistake I made on my drawing mister anonymous ?
>S-sure w-wait here I'll be back in a second...

Sad.

>>4463251
But he is still right you know.

>>4463107
Post your work.

>>4462887
>>4462871
this is very difficult stuff guys. especially when it's digital and you can use opacity.

>>4463258
No the guy start by saying "badly draw anime face" when the face is not even that bad and he say that it's traced... when you can clearly see it's not.
I don't even want to continue at this point.

>>4463287
Post some of your studies and the references you used then, show us how it's done.

Quick rundown/redpill on clavicles and neck sinews?

>>4461433
>>4462559
>Hampton
I have it right inf ront of me right now and it's terrible, it's literally just 100 pages of drawings with no explanation. the book should be retitled "I can draw and you can't."

>>4463348
retard, Hampton is based

Would I benefit from gesture drawing from time to time if I'm unable to do something as basic as getting the proportions in observational studies right? Or should I just keep practicing the latter?

>>4463221
https://www.kazoneonline.com/p/figures-in-perspective
https://www.creativebloq.com/features/online-art-classes
https://medium.com/i-m-h-o/dont-go-to-art-school-138c5efd45e9

Check out the links. Bridgeman is ok but doesn’t cover everything.

>>4463234
Yah sure.

I did this painting after following the process I described. I’ll post another one.

>>4463234
Step 1: drawing a tight rough. I started this process by first drawing out what I wanted to paint. I made sure to make everything clear and understand where everything is first.

>>4463234
Step 2: underpainting

I tend to do a beginning layer of underpainting before I do the final version. I work mainly in traditional, and I use acrylics for my base layer and oils for my finished layer. Here I used green and blue because green can be very luminescent and help the top coat pop.

>>4463436
Is this illastrat?

>>4463234
Step 3: local colors
Here I’m working with the local colors. I use the paint to get the mid tones. Sargent often said to find the mid tones first before looking for anything else. This way I have a road map for colors, I can now find the darks and lights easier.

>>4463234
Here is the finished product. I wanted to give this a more impressionist feel.

Note these are kind of old, I did these two years ago. But by making a process of creating work though thumbnails, tight roughs, and a process of painting I was able to create a complete painting.

>>4463234
I actually like this one better but didn’t have photos for the process lol

>>4463432
>>4463452
>>4463451


blog?

>>4463452
How did you get so good?

>>4463458
Not yet, working on it bro. Coronavirus is giving me time to do studies like crazy.

>>4463460
Constant, constant, CONSTANT practice. I have probably done a shitload of paintings, many of which suck major ass. I did a ton of portraits of kids, I have done several art shows, went to an art residency program in Hong Kong...I basically lived and breathed art for a while. You just have to commit to making shitty stuff for a while and one day it’ll click. One of my works from Hong Kong, on rice paper.

>>4461434
Pogs are back

>>4463444
yep that's him see kid we're getting critique from schyzo monkey now, nice...

Thinking I should start pushing my figures further, only really been doing gesture and it feels like I've stagnated.

>>4463493
that's really nice and not beg tier, you should post a work you did before to see if you improved or not.
if I had a little critique I'm beg myself but I feel like the left arm is bigger than the right arm, maybe it's because it's darker or something but I tried to do a little modification what do you think ?

>>4463489
I don’t know who illastrat is.

>>4463432
>>4463436
>>4463440
>>4463448
>>4463451
>>4463452
>destroyed the guy
holy based

>>4463432
>>4463436
>>4463440
>>4463448
>>4463451
>The schizo is still trying to critique /beg/ artists despite their shit coloring, values, blending, and anatomy

Never change /ic/. Also I thought you got banned. Oh well.

>>4461338
Is tracing/copying a good way to start?

got some clay, only have a tiny white & black block at the moment though and no tools besides my hands
this is pretty fun, gonna go crazy with it once I'm kitted out

>>4463629
copying yes tracing no

I need help finding ways to color and shade this piece

>>4463536
Maybe I'm wrong but it looks like you thinned out the arm on the top side of the upper arm and the inside of the forearm.
I'm not the person who posted >>4463493
And I'm also /beg/ myself but I feel like your alterations only make the misplacement of the deltoid more noticeable.

Since this is a copy, I'm sure if >>4463493
Posted his ref other more skilled anons could give better crit.

>>4463657
the one that made the modification here

the deltoid is correctly placed the thing you see on the upper arm is the trapeze took the pose myself and touched my arm and the trapeze do flex when you take that pose.

but then again i'm not 100% sure if we could see the ref we could be sure.

What does /ic/ think of Ethan Becker and his videos where he talks about tracing over artists you like to see what they are doing, tracing over photos to get the form and how everything works in your head, faster.
He seems to make some really good points about that, and also to basically never draw from imagination and always have photo refs, video refs, and other artist's work refs.
Thoughts???

Related:
>>4463646
>>4463629

>>4463428
All right, thank you very much!

Man. I'm not in the mood to draw anything new because I got no decent idea, so I was looking at my old art. This one always looked unfinished to me, her face was derpy as fuck and the bottom half of the picture bothered me because it was too bright compared to the top. Made a couple changes out of boredom and now I feel satisfied.

>>4463678
he's right, but you should not misunderstand him, he said in one of is video that you need to know your fundamentals ( he even show a loomis plate not kidding ) and don't just trace mindlessly you need to go over the photo over the drawing to analyze the structure the gesture not just trace the outline without thinking.

>>4463678
he could have some points(for when you're discovering your style) but the orthodox art education discards tracing as a learning technique and there are tons of people learned how to draw without doing it, so why risk it

>>4463692
Right, I think that is important to understand before going straight into it. I watched that video you're talking about. I like that he emphasizes to always look at the big picture of things. But I think you're right, knowing the fundamentals and THEN watching his videos might open up some enlightenment. Thanks!

>>4463699
Right. I don't think it's bad if you're in a block and you just want to trace is to see how it's drawn and not be fooled by your own eyes, cause that definitely happens I feel like.

Thanks guys!

>>4463536
>that's really nice and not beg tier
Thanks, my figures are the only things sort of good since I autisticly grinded them pretty much exclusively, the other things I post are definitely more beg-ish.

>I feel like the left arm is bigger than the right arm
I think you're right in that the arm is too big, I think what happened was that I did a gesture pass before-hand and didn't correct for the early draft later in the drawing. I can Post the ref in a sec.

>you should post a work you did before to see if you improved or not.
Part of the problem is that I fell into a mindless grind and never really pushed for finished figure drawings and comparing them to gestures doesn't really make much sense.
But Pic related is something I did a year ago.

>>4463536
>>4463657
>>4463671
ref incoming

>>4462659
I'm just a copy of a copy of a copy...

Anyone know where I can find a pdf?
Or a better alternative if anyone has one.

>>4463812
this shit will never not make me laugh, there is no way that he didn't know what he was doing.

please critique what I drew from photo ref.

I have been drawing since last August. Ive made decent progress drawing between 2-6hrs a day, but I can't get my ellipses to be rounded on both sides. Any tips? Do I need better ellipses to start practicing anatomy?

>>4463830
Another couple of sketches I did. I'm almost literally fucking myself in the ass trying to figure out how to practice in a structured way.

>>4463628
Honestly if it isn’t pertinent to art I’m not really going to pay attention. And I have no idea who you’re talking about.

>>4463854
Break it down into steps. What I do is give myself assignments. Like do five landscapes painted from life, do 5 nude figure studies, do five original environments and perspective studies, do five concept art character studies, and assign that for the week. As you make more work, you’ll make progress.

Your hand is pretty decent at drawing, but you aren’t investing enough time and attention to your sketches. The bird is rendered well, it would look even better with a rendered background. Add tones to those figure studies, that will make them pop. You’re on the right track, just add a drawing schedule, assignments, and increase the level of depth and time you put into your sketches and studies, then start making complete work.

>>4463291
It’s pretty bad.

>>4463976
Alright, that sounds simple and doable. I usually just use pen but i can branch out. Do you have any tips for practicing construction?

thanks for not just saying practice. I get the idea but sometimes you dont know what you dont know, and i can be dumb

>>4463291
It’s pretty bad, retard.

>>4464001
Of course. Just saying practice is like asking someone how to get better at fighting and them saying “just fight”.

Ok. Here is what you can do to improve construction. First, do simple still life’s of apples, oranges, cylinder shaped objects, any form that is geometric in nature and spend at the bare minimum 3 hrs on each study. Do five of these. Then, move on to landscape studies. Since the coronavirus is going on, draw from images. Spend at least 3 hrs on each landscape. Finally, grab either anatomy for the artist, charles bargue book of lithographs for drawing, or find art models companion disks on amazon and print a bunch of copies of models. Use a grid like the one shown and copy the models. Start with black and white with the medium of your choice. Do all of these and post the best ones on here. Get critiqued, listen to what seems like it will help you, rinse and repeat the process with different models and still life’s, and move on to color. At a minimum you should spend two months doing this until it becomes very easy. Do this regularly, and I guarantee that you will show massive progress. Note, don’t just breeze though these exercises. Give every drawing your full undivided attention and use it to learn about construction.

>>4464001
Here are some examples of my studies. Most of these take roughly 1-3 hrs to complete.

>>4464063
for the love of fuck read the OP:

RESIZE YOUR IMAGES - try ~1000px, <1.1mb

p L e a s e

RESIZE YOUR IMAGES - try ~1000px, <1.1mb

>>4463812
http://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=692B7946DCCBB28799DBB86878F726D0

use the best cover next time

When do you know you should give up on a drawing?

>>4464092

when you're not learning anything from it, or can't sell it

>>4464092
When you feel like you're wasting time.

>>4464092
If your drawings look like pic related, then you should give up.

how the fuck do you choose the best pose?

>>4464092
You should enjoy what you're drawing, if you aren't do another thing

First time sketching in months. Drawing feels so shaky.

>>4462640
leave beg
>>4462778

>>4464169
>>4462791

leave beg

Please give honest Critique. Sick of friends saying good job and not helping me improve.

Forgot to add image lol

>>4457176
>complete newfag here.
>when do i move on from a book? when i draw as good as the examples given or when i feel i've memorized the principles that the book talks about?
reposting because no one responded in the artbook thread

>>4464227
when you can apply the teachings without problems

>>4464226
leave beg

drawn from life

>>4464187
nice

>>4463629
I just started painting by printing a black and white image onto watercolour paper.

>>4464187
I think she is falling

reilly method attempt

Mechanical pencil or pencil? and why?

Haven't posted here in a while, how y'all doing?

>>4464227
if you feel like that brain is getting tired that means you're learning something

What are the principals and styles that helped you most while learning how to draw?

>>4464412

trying out a little bit of composition

More disproportionate gestures. I don't know if I should focus on getting the ratios right or on creating a dynamic sense of movement more. Or maybe I should just give myself more time per reference.

We have 2 /beg/ threads both with lots of posts and some cross posting, I suck at making choices what do I do?

>>4464448
shitpost in the other one so it reaches the bump limit

>>4464424
gestures 2 and 3 from the top left are decent, the rest are ... not too amazing

give yourself a bit more time maybe; you can make fluid gesture even with straight lines

>>4464424
You should focus on both since they play into each other. I think your heads could go with the Vilppu dot to indicate direction and you could even draw the spine line more often.

>>4464298
thanks
>>4464306
yeah, she is leaning over way too much

>>4464381
Another one

>>4464474
actually enjoyed this one, anon; good job

learn a bit more about color theory anön but you're suprassing /beg/; maybe get into /alt/

>>4464381
cont: your colour choices are absolute fucking rubbish subjectively, but they are working together, and i hate that

the mask perspective is off though; the head looks like it's tilting up but the mask is looking straight towards the viewer, giving it a wolf.jpg look

>>4464361
that brow bone is not something to emphasise on women anon it's a trait caused by a lot of testosterone; women have smoother foreheads than klingons

>>4463069
I want to have fun, but I'm afraid it'll look more shit than it is. :(
I'll try though.

>>4464424
Decided to try my hand at them myself. Some of those were tricky for my chickenscratch mind.

>>4464507
Not bad but why don't you use some other kind of pen or a pencil? What you're using now looks uncomfortable as fuck.

How can I stop thinking about contours when gesture drawing? How can feel the gesture like vilpu says?

>>4464075
>click link
>russian text
what are you trying to do to me anon

>>4464487

Thank you, I didn't even notice that fact about the helmet, it can't stop seeing it now.

Real thank you for your critique, color theory is my weakest hability and most of my color choices are by pure thought, Other of my biggest mistakes is that a lot of times I start a drawing in the detailing stage, which makes me forget about perspective, anatomy and color theory, kinda like making a ink drawing without a sketch but more like painting a face without sketch and starting with an ear.

Pictured: Grandpa Gwyn on the sketch stage, before I started inmediately with the detailing stage

I can only draw blurry now. I think something s wrong with me.

are there any good art podcasts and shit? i need something to listen to while i work out.

Comic is taking me too long.

>>4464629
theres barely anything there but i can already tell its gonna be only interesting to you.

Total beginner here (yes, I've read the sticky), wanted a few pointers since I've basically never drawn outside of doodling during class as a kid.
I know I need to start out focusing on fundamentals like basic line work, but once I get the hang of that I either want to do just basic anime style stuff or I want to work my way up to fantasy/Lovecraftian eldritch horror style art like pic related.
That being said, I have no fucking clue how I would even begin to work towards getting to this level. Also, right now I just have paper and a mechanical pencil to work with, so I'm assuming I'll need to at least get better pencils or something down the line, but if I start getting good enough and am enjoying drawing I might consider investing in a drawing tablet.

>>4464633
Indeed. Im struggling a lot and is just the first page.

>>4463039
Took your advice and went into some photo ref!

what's the deal with kneaded erasers? every art class tells you to get one. I hate 'em

any drawtists studyin tonight?

>>4464673
Kneaded erasers are good for erasing small details because it's easier to shape the eraser to a thin point. Also it's required if you're drawing with charcoal

Only one head today

>>4464610
get glasses I guess

>>4463034
Thanks anonne

Continuing with a few cyclops gestures that turned out kinda okay... among a ton. I think I should start doing other stuff before I go insane.

>>4462300
How did you get the eye shape so wrong and like, fucking backward?

>_<

>>4464666
Nice line work. I really like how you've simplified the faces.

I hope you don't mind me using your reference.

>>4464666
Nice line work. I really like how you've simplified the faces.

I hope you don't mind me using your reference.

>>4464742
damn that's nice. I don't think you should be in this thread

MY FIRST DRAWING RATE AND CRIT

>>4464763
it was attempt of copy and it looks half decent only if do not compare to original. all features is all over the place.

>>4461338
Just spent 3 hours on this, you already know the inspiration. Also I don't know how to shade I literaelly just gray and run it across certain lines
plshelp

>>4464803
Turtle reminded me of this scene

I can't vision things in 3 dimensions at all
How do I change this?

>>4464803
cool stuff

>>4464808
learn the rules of perspective and practice drawing with them. check the book thread

>>4464647
Welcome to hell Anon, to the place of eternal torture that you will never escape from.

Jokes aside, if you are truly new focusing on fundamentals is the best way to go. The 3 basic subjects that are mostly theoretic that I would suggest are
- Perspective
- Composition
- Light fundamentals
Those should be enough to start you off, color is another big topic but that can be done later.

Here are some Youtube videos you can get started on

Sycra's foundation of Light and Shadow series
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q-LZVFZuGE&list=PLV2X3tgajVlHkH3FHxm3rLZWqScFTRhtv
This series explains light in the most basic way I can think of

Understanding composition from Blender Guru
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8i7OKbWmRM

Composition in Art by Virtual instructor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAPXep8wPts

10 minutes to perspective by Marco Bucci
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmR_Q1mtS7I

Again these are not really fun stuff, these boring theory but these are essential topics to understanding drawing in the long run. These should be enough to get you started without even needing to pick up a pencil and drawing anything.

this one is a penny, I am out of quarters

>>4464873
Defacing currency is illegal you fucking criminal shit

I'm having incredible difficulty with construction, and I've not really improved much at all over the past year. I can only draw simple poses, as I have no idea how to express the forms with proportion. I know the ratios but I just can't put it on paper. I'm capable of shitting out an awful head or torso front facing or side on, but from the back or angled I can't manipulate shapes in 3D space. I've tried drawabox and stuff like that but I simply cannot visualise it properly enough to translate it onto paper. I'm at my fucking wits end here. Perhaps learning from home is a really bad thing and I need classes instead.

TLDR I simply can't construct. I know how to loomis head in my head but it always comes out wrong or wonky or whatever.

>>4464891
do Erik Olson perspective course, draw with him thinking why it's drawn like that, not just copying, then draw your own version of the the exercise three times (even free hand is fine assuming your lines are ok). By the end, combined with prev knowledge, you'll easily visualize 3D things on 2D plane

>>4464888
Only with bad intent.

i just started doing Keys. Thoughts?

>>4465045

>>4462461
it is not like the others threads are any better tho

>>4462864
I can only conclude that this anon don't draw.

>>4464807
i don't know what this is, what is this?

are these decent proportions or should I just jump off a cliff now instead of later?

>>4464629
A lot of the basics are lacking with you bro. There are a couple of books you need to pick up. How to draw: drawing and sketching objects and environments from your imagination, anatomy for artists, figure drawing for all its worth, successful illustration, making comics,art models: practical posing for the working artist. Do all the exercises and draw everything in those books for a while, then come back to this. The reason why it’s taking so long is that you don’t understand how to draw what your drawing and you are struggling making up stuff. Get solid basics in drawing and design, then attempt to make this.

>>4464730
Do a couple gestures then render these models so you can learn anatomy. It’s boring, it’s annoying, it’s tedious, but if you do it enough everything about your art will be better.

>>4464666
Good. Now you need to commit to them. Use an old fashioned grid to understand the anatomy of the face so that they don’t look wonky. Look up grids for portraits and make one to learn proportions. Spend a bit of time on each one, at least 3 hours and make it look as close to the real thing as possible.

>>4464758
Almost there anon. Clean up your shading and line work so it pops more. I wanna see more of your stuff.

>>4465127
Are you using a reference for this particular pose? Study anatomy man. Also is this a male or female? It looks androgynous. Clavicles don’t work that way. Where is the chest? I think you should go back to the drawing board friend.

>>4465045
You have a lot of beginner traits. You are unsure of your pencil lines so they look scratchy, your proportions are off, and you haven’t rendered these at all. If you are looking at your own hands and feet, use a mirror. Look for stock images of hands and feet they are everywhere. Commit some actual time to drawing these studies instead of mindlessly cranking them out and you will make progress. Do 5 hand studies from reference, 5 feet studies from reference, spend 1-3 hours on each one, post your two best, and get critiqued.

>>4464891
Then you must draw from life, and use what the old masters discovered on how to do better construction. You haven’t actually done enough research to find ways of improving construction. It’s alll our there: use grids, use a process of drawing with geometric shapes first to break down form and draw on top, do several still life’s to see how form works, do reverse contour drawings to feel the shapes in space, and so on.

Dude I guarantee if you pick up one book on anatomy and work through it a little bit you’ll make progress. Don’t say I can’t until you have actually looked for every method out there to make good art and have committed to it for some time.

>>4461338
Vroom

>>4465127
do gesture drawing on quickposes website until you develop intuition for proportion, study perspective like >>4465181 also you will improve quickly

ugh.. fellows?

>>4464561

you asked for a free resource
library genesis doesn't have viruses, just poke around with google translate or look for something that says ЗEPКAЛO and it'll get you your book

>>4464581
you should definitely watch marco bucci's nine videos of 10 minutes to better painting, it'll help you a lot

>>4464873
>>4465015

the paint is too thick and uneven, looks lumpy

>>4464800
please do loomis anon

>>4465181

it's not bad but what's the point of doing something in painstaking perspective only to chickenscratch everything in it

>>4464697
you're symbol drawing, which is hard to avoid when you lack fundies and try to copy a stylised drawing. you could trace over the reference and compare that to your drawing to see where you made the specific mistakes

otherwise keep at it anon

>>4465170
Thanks a lot for the feedback, i really appreciate it. I started yesterday so yeah im a complete begginer. Just a question: what exactly is a study and what do you mean by rendering?

>>4465163
No, Definitely, Androgynous, On Purpose, We don't know, Yes.

>>4465188
How do I get started with this?
I try to assess the basic shapes of the pose and my brain shuts off.

>>4462642
Damn thicc neck

>>4464647
sheldon borenstein draws with a milky way dark chocolate bar

a simple mechanical pencil and printer paper can last you for a long ass time

your materials won't make you a better artist until you're good enough to have reached the limits of your materials. for graphite you need only the pencil and the eraser; shading doesn't have to be stark black lines like beginners do; pic related has no shading whatsoever yet bridgman manages to capture muscle form like nobody else. the only idiots begging artists to tell them their brands of pencils are hoarders who would rather buy the pencil than put the work in to make it better

you can get a tablet further down the line, traddy with a pencil or ballpoint is good enough for now

>>4465198
Fingers look weird. Pose is very stiff.

>>4465149
Like a grid as in mapping out the planes of the face and where everything is in relation to eachother or a grid as in a square grid to line up with my ref and drawing and copy the boxes while making not of the relationship? Sorry just wanna be clear what you mean! Appreciate it.

Gonna draw Dabi from MHA

Improvised skin tones

>>4465389
good attempt, a problem i see tho and that alot of people do is the values are too similar, if you turn it greyscale youll see. try having a bigger contrast of values dont be afraid of going darker

a good rule i read somewhere is make the lightest value be the 40-50%, very bright lights like in metals you can go lighter ofc
also some value studies using just 3 or 4 tones mioght also help you get in the groove, even if using color always be thinking of those 3-4 base values, i dont enjoy Sinix, but search his youtube hes pretty good with painting and rendering skin

shoulder anatomy is non existent and torso too short but since you said its just skin tone practise i wont touch the subject just mentioning it

Super lame but what to do.

>>4465535
this is cool

What do you think ?

>>4465545
Do not like hair but face is nice.

>>4465535
stop shading by increasing or decreasing brightness

>>4461338
first ever portrait and I am going to hang myself

>>4465608
Looks good man for your first portrait! Keep doing them and try to push yourself to try and understand things in 3d next time. Keep it up bro

>>4465572
He should adjust hue and saturation with his own pencil?

>>4465626
where do you see a pencil in digital

>>4465608
as far as first portraits go this is pretty okay anon; you look like you know how to read (tHANk you for resizing the pic), check out the sticky resources

>>4463069
>on top of trying to learn and internalize the information from the book, make sure it looks good and make sure to think about 10 other things at the same time or else you are DOING IT WRONG
ok retard
maybe the reason instructors don't harp on this is because it's fucking retarded

>>4465626
Answer honestly, are you retarded?

hello

>>4465665
and this... thoughts?

>>4464424
You have a habit of making the legs too short. You should consciously try to make the legs longer, even if it feels like they should be shorter. Even if they're a bit too long, it looks way better and is far less noticeable than the legs being too short. Steve Huston covers a lot of concepts like this regarding "acceptable" proportion mistakes you should err on the side of.

Made a car. First time doing this.

>>4463348
This is all drawing books and even drawing teachers. All the “advice” I’ve ever heard from any art teacher was smooth brained nonsense, they might as well be demotivational cheerleaders.

>>4463348
he has a lot of explanation going on, but it's more on the dry side in the book sure

his analytical figure drawing videos go into much deeper explanations but it's still the same stuff; you can find it on cg beers

there's no magic to drawing anon

Why are Bridgman figures so thicc?

>>4465698
Because he's drawing from imagination (even though he's talking about measuring) and fucked up.

>>4465698
Why do they look so blocky like rocks

>tfw drawing some flat cartoony shit only criticism you get is loomis

>>4465752
not enough loomis

>>4463348
I did get this feeling from Hampton more than other books yeah. Especially the fucking champter on arms. He says several times "the arm is really complicated lol, go buy an anatomy book or something". And his instruction is basically "we'll break the forearm down into 3 muscle groups" but he doesn't even explain what those groups are outside of one diagram with sloppy handwriting and it's drawn so lightly that you can barely see it.

>>4465752

It's easier to remember the anatomy, forms and landmarks. read that book and figure design and invention to find out more.

>>4465790
yeah hampton believes you don't have to know all that to draw an invented figure

>>4465684
i love it; be careful that the right/distant front wheel bit is for some reason larger than the closer one

try to rotate it in space, do funky shit with it

>>4465805
>hampton believes you don't have to know all that to draw an invented figure
And once again we see what a lie "study your fundies" is when the most shilled books can't even agree on what the fucking fundies are.

>>4465811
oh anon if only you'd watched his videos instead of concluding too much from my offhand quip

he deals with anatomy a lot, but says that the order of importance for a good figure is:

1) the gesture
2) the form and proportion
3) only then the anatomy

you can hyper-render your magic abs all you like, it won't make the pose read

he treats anatomy as salad dressing over gesture, essential form, proportion much like how vilppu and steve huston do

there's no disagreement here

anatomy just isn't the most essential skill you need

>>4465821
I'm not saying he has to get hyper detailed with the anatomy.
As far as I could tell his treatment of the form of the arm was incomplete. Earlier in the book he breaks down the muscles of the neck and torso, traps, obliques, etc, and gives you a simple shape to use for each, and it's pretty thorough and helpful. By the time he got to the arm he said fuck it and did not even go over basic shapes corresponding to his three simplified muscle groups. This is what I remember from reading the book fairly recently. Correct me if I'm wrong.

>>4464873
this your motherfucking paint

>>4464375
bros?

30 second torso beans

>>4465841
honestly idr what the book said any more lol but in the videos he does go over the muscles of the arm in some detail

if he totally overlooks them in the book, then it's his mistake definitely
but the book only served as a companion piece for his videos to me

none of the bigshots alive today know how to write a good art book

>>4465198
Where is the torso

>>4465854

i personally prefer wooded and woodless pencils just because they're harder to snap and i don't like to be too controlled and restrained when i draw

pencils let you pick how wide you want your stroke, mechanicals give you a consistent stroke width and eliminate the need for sharpening

go with what personally suits you; i've seen good artists do good work with either or both

>>4465855
but torsos dont' look like that at all ...

>>4465126
Devilman crybaby, sorry for the bad lighting that's just how that scene is.
https://youtu.be/Lfvz9U2h-9U

>>4465833

op is a fag

>>4464677
Yes but it’s too soft to actually work that way

>>4465862
Thanks

>>4465811
Lol you are still here whining about that... The fundamentals are just the things that are in every work of art. Your problem is you want someone to hold your hand and tell you exactly how to practice and what to practice. But if someone does that, then you complain that their advice conflicts with someone else’s.

>>4465805
Thanks lad, I'll take care of next time

are the eyes flat?

new thread

>>4465833

Since there is no Porn thread, can I get critique of this one?

Trying to learn basic proportions. I think I made her a bit too wide. Are there any resources for drawing figures that aren’t I heads tall? I don’t wanna draw models, I wanna draw ‘normal’ people.

First attempt. Trying to paint some watercolours as well.

Why can't I draw straight even when drawing from my shoulder? When I try it always veers off to the side and or is wobbly.

Second attempt. A long way to go.

does anyone else feel that loomis heads are too wide and not long enough for women's heads??

Drawing bone structure with based Proko app

how long should keys to drawing take one to get through? it has 55 keys, so should I learn one key a day, or learn multiple keys a day?