/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

This working?

>>4454301
From one /beg/ to another, you need more line confidence.

>>4454301
You should work on your form, perspective and line confidence before going into anatomy

How is this so far fellas?

>>4454318
bro why does she have an adams apple

Drilling down more gestures and line confidence.
I downloaded those Art Models 1-8 books in the book thread. My goal is to draw every one of those model pictures (gesture and/or proportional drawing) until I'm a pro.

...or just learn all the wrong things....

>>4454322
>she

How can I make the blade's texture more interesting, /ic/?

At what point do you accept you suck and just give up?

>>4454419
How do I learn to draw?

>>4454338
Im think you should start completing the gestures drawings. Try depicting hair, faces features, body details. Dont forget try to draw poses from imagination too.

>>4453251
How do I learn this kind of rendering technique for my values?
I know it's a WIP, but I really dig the rough sketchy look of it, feels like something that would be great to get a hold on for putting together concepts quickly.
Any resources I should check out?

Anybody have some tips on lighting in CSP? Brushes, presets?

>>4454338
Gave this dude a try.

>>4454322
Trans

Seeing lots of people in this board saying the Ipad pro + apple pencil is a good alternative to wacom tablet, is this tru

>>4454454
i don't think anyone in beg would know. ask in the question thread or maybe drawthread even

>>4454454
I personally don't understand it. To me, the biggest thing would be the portability aspect of it. Pretty much what I got out of it is, if you're an artist who does a lot of traveling (say you set up booths at conventions), then having an Ipad wouldn't be bad. It works well for being a full-on portable tablet. But honestly, if you're going to stay at home and draw in a central location, just get the Wacom.
It's like having a 3DS expecting to play video games on the go, but all you do is play it in bed while it's charging in an electrical outlet.
Personally, I'd rather have a full Windows PC environment through a monitor-like drawing tablet than whatever walled-garden shit Apple forces upon me.

>>4454531
Thanks for the input anon, been thinking really hard what screen tablet I should upgrade to. Gotta do some research of what tablets are better for me then.

I feel like I could benefit from more structure. I've been through:
1. Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain
2. How to Draw (Robertson)
3. Perspective Drawing (Norling)

And have just been drawing random crap around my house.

Is there a bible of all the terms (line confidence, gesture, etc.) with exercise prescription plans for improving each term/facet of drawing?

Is https://www.wattsatelier.com/ worth? Proko? Any other courses worth?

Stuff from Drawing References the android app

redline?

i wanna try some funky colors.

>>4454262
https://www.twitch.tv/nuewtie

this girl need some help to push some of her art to sale
care to help^?

Why is my shitty still life so shitty

>>4454448
dont use white for light or black for shadows

after I've exhausted myself trying to compare angles and measurements is it cheating to put my drawing up to my computer screen reference image and then take it down and adjust it by memory? do I learn anything about proportion from doing this? thanks

anytips to learn or practice drawing eyes? I usually can get one eye really good but struggle with the other

>>4454683
stop symbol drawing

>>4454668
Cheating? Forget that way of thinking; If it'll help you improve, do it.

after doing some perspective and gesture practice, had some fun trying to build a scene with highlights and shadows. haven't finished and trying to work out the exact 3d space compared to shading it a bit tricky.
will slowly but surely try to get more and more detailed as I build it.

Guess I'll give up.

>>4454689
I think the question is if it really does help him improve

>>4454695
A question with doing stuff like this. is it bad to learn how to draw/paint stuff by building it up with shading and stuff? like should I forgo doing stuff like this and focus on getting the fundamentals of line work before I try to do stuff like this?
this type of building work makes more sense to me, but will it hold me back in the future?

>>4454396
this is more of a /3/ question desu, read the sticky from there, it has a vault door texturing tutorial pics. Your stuff is simple illustrative/low poly style, so try adding scratches, thicc cel-shaded borderlines, repaint with visible brush strokes, harsher lighting. In general try and make shapes more pronounced.

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>>4454646
just did another one, I think its a little better

>>4454785
i like it anon. the bottom of the cone shouldn't end abruptly at the sides like that though, remember the bottom is an ellipse, and ellipses don't have corners

How is this doin

This is so confusing. I don't know when i should use 2d shapes and when forms.
It feels like anime rely on forms from my observations and studies but i feel like i missing something..

Where do people get the retarded idea that practice makes you better at something, that skills work like muscles and you just magically get better at them if you do it more? My personal theory is that people who have a natural talent for things still need their brain to grow to reach their full potential, and since they’re drawing all as they grow up, they make the retarded connection that the improvement they saw as they got older must have come magically from them drawing more, rather than their brain simply developing their natural talent. Plenty of people simply can’t draw neat lines, or divide things into specific even portions, or pick out shapes and shades from an image, these are things you can’t teach and if you can’t do them you simply will never be good at drawing.

How do I know what brush to use when?

>>4454854
Because it works for everyone? Shoo little crab

>>4454854
stop making excuses for why you're not putting in enough work and get back to it. also would be a good idea to take time to put yourself in a more positive mindset

>>4454854
that's a whole lot of words to say you're giving up because you realized that drawing anime titties is slightly harder than most things.

>>4454854
ur dumb, here's how it is

make me hate this

>>4454396
what do you mean "make more interesting"
Play with the materials, and a spec map, normal map, etc.

Also you can double the resolution on the sword by using the mirror modifier. It will also mirror the UVs meaning you can save space or add more detail on the same image.

>>4454854
>You learn how to do it
>God gave me my talents
How about if you have talents and you don't practice to be better?

In other words, doing more helps you. Stfu and stop being lazy.

>>4454854
>Where do people get the retarded idea that practice makes you better at something

Haven't done gesture in a few days. Gotta keep those gesture drills up!

>>4454301
Where are you guys getting that pelvis shape from? I see it everywhere

>>4454985
l
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Looking at Jung Gi's instagram makes me want to draw like a motherfucker.

the bottom two heads were insanely hard for me
thoughts?

>>4454588
She looks stiff; kinda like you posed an action figure. I think it's mainly because outside of the arm it's mostly static. I'd recommend some gesture studies.
>>4454774
not that anon, but I'll do something with that palette.

>>4454985
Proko's anatomy course
there's a mega on here in the video thread stickey

Did this one too quickly and all the proportions are really screwed.

Hey Vergil guy again from a few threads ago. Had to take a day or two for a break because the other day my hands went numb briefly out of nowhere. But I tried to make it more round and I decided on a secondary light source. Critique is always appreciated

>>4455073
his face looks a little scrunched up, try lowering the nose and mouth a little

>>4454820
you need to analize the form of the eye, size of every shape to get the mass but if you use different artists you are going to screw yourself, eye forms vary way to much from artist to artist so you need to pick one to study and break it down piece by piece, try to gather views from every angle possible to get a 3d form and recreate it yourself , then you can change the parameters and make your own but it's kinda hard since you need to have a 3d spatial sense above beg, i struggle a lot with this shit on extreme angles

>>4455073
cant tell if you are trolling thanks for the chuckle

>>4454927
No, it doesnt. How many times have you wrote each letter of the alphabet? Can you write beautiful calligraphy yet? For most people the answers are: countless times and: no. Ultimately you can improve while practicing, by noticing small mistakes and correcting them, but some people are literally unable to correct them, it isn’t a matter of effort but ability, you aren’t working out your drawing muscle, you’re learning how to use your inborn talent to do it. Expecting to get better without talent is like studying for an IQ test. You can live in an idealist fantasy where everyone is capable of achieving whatever they wish, where there isn’t demonstrable heritable talent, but it won’t change that almost every person on earth has wanted to and tried to get good at some artistic skill, and almost all of them have failed, not due to lack of effort either. There’s also the inherent selection bias people use, where they say “you have to put in le 10,000 hours!” Ignoring that every person who put 10,000 hours in almost certainly saw significant improvement after 100. If you see 0 improvement over 100 hours, guess what, it doesn’t matter if you multiply that rate by 100, you’re total improvement is still zero.

Gonna be more ellipsis studies today.
Tried to apply fuckton of them on this train thing. Turned out great at first, but then I lined them over too slowly, looks ugly now. Gonna need to draw bigger, so I can use the shoulder for lines more.
Anyone else grinding perspective?

>>4454854
>>4455150
Thanks for the confidence boost, loser.

Man I've been sketching a ton today.

>>4455244
Something I've learnt doing this sketch is you really have to think hard about what's happening in the picture. The pen is just an extension of your thoughts.

Copyfag here, this are the drawings i did today.
1/3

>>4455253
Now i copy them from photos and not from another drawings, like i did with the insects.
2/3

>>4455253
>>4455255
3/3

>>4455253
>>4455255
>>4455259
Nice copies.

>>4454797
Everything's pretty good for what it is, but it's probably time to transition to realistic brushes or add some filters.
I get that it's sort of a loose oekaki style, but you're missing out on the beauty that comes with semirealistic rendering.

>>4454854
He's not entirely wrong, though I don't think this in the same way.
Everyone can draw with enough practice because drawing is inherently bound to our nature.
The symbol drawing meme is very real, and the best way to learn is to do sketches of things without forming lines (essentially painting with a pencil.)
Building up knowledge of things with experience.
Fundamental knowledge can help you approximate this better.
However, what people may draw and why may vary quite a bit.
In general, you'll always have a slight bias towards appealing to your own demographic.
Your own worldview will appeal to those it is shared with.
Some may be able to break free from this, but I think it's rare to enjoy it.

am I on the right track?

>>4455073
Not gonna lie Anon it feel like you either never looked at a reference or are making a parody caricature. Vergil looks way different, he has longer nose, wide mouth, thinner eyes and overall ha a different facial build than yours.

Is it okay to draw on my surface pro as an absolute beginner? I wanna do digital stuff.

>>4455345
You'll get both yes and no's form this depending where you ask, "Yes" mostly on here from what I've seen in the past.

But even from people that say "no" they do admit there's value to it if you know you ultimately want to go digital in the future. Getting straight lines down isn't the same as with traditional methods and takes some practice. Also learning the software is it's own thing.

So I'd say go ahead if you have it already but to practice both.

>>4455331
Everything is made of uniform lines.
Use a pencil like it's a paintbrush.
Most artists will sketch like this then ink.
Some have the ability to create blocked out shapes and patterns with a pen.
Either way you're trying too hard to outline everything without implying form.
Keep up the good work.

>>4455369
Thanks!

>>4455358
Oh, what software does /ic/ recommend? I'm willing to pirate anything.

>>4455253
>>4455255
>>4455259
So, any criticism about these? anything to add?

>>4455331
You clearly just started, you're not on any track at all yet.

>>4455161
squiggly stairs is kill. Bunch of mistakes at the top cause of the wrong reference point but it's fine, at least I understand how to build it now

My eyes are so damn bad, I feel like they are my biggest weakness. Anyone got an easy, appealing guide on how to draw eyes? Of course, any critique would be appreciated.

>>4455409
wtf do you expect in a /beg/ thread? are you lost?

continuing

>>4455421
Olson’s lectures?

>>4455429
I know you may not want to hear this, but learning fundamental drawing is probably the best way to draw appealing anything because you would have the ability to invent your own eyes based on reality. However, you have to make sure that fundamental drawing isn't a splinter skill. What is a splinter skill? It is memorization rather than adaption. There are people who can play a song on the piano, but they cannot compose music. This is because they've only memorized the "correct" way of doing things rather than intuitive understanding. Start with Betty Edwards and try to understand why she has you do her exercises. While doing this, you can of course draw anime that you like, but don't memorize how to structure your characters, try to invent your own style and understand it.

>>4455449
Thanks, anon. I'm assuming you're talking about "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain" right? Is there anything I need to know before getting into the book?

>>4455448
yep

>>4455471
based

>>4455466
Nah, just do the exercises.

This is almost the third time I drew the shoulder and arms poorly just because of perspectives/locations and posted it here. How do I draw them? Anyone have a reference? I know in this pose you're supposed to have the elbow slightly back, but I cant figure out how.

>>4455480
Got it. Appreciate the help.

i feel like this is the best painting ive done. ever. i dont know i think the lighted cheek area might not be quite right. also tried to get the color zone thing going with the rosy cheeks and yellowed forehead. not sure if it worked. but i dont like the rendering. i basically smudged with a hard round smudge tool and it still looks plasticy. going to post the unsmudged next

>>4455493

>>4455494
Can you step back and rationalise the reasons for each value region?
why is the bottom right edge of the jaw lit but not the concavity just above?
Why is the highlight on the chin lit centrally but not the forehead or central bridge of the nose?
Is the lighting on the nose consistent with the skin quality there?

is there an online resource somewhere where I can download Japanese pose books like pic related? for research purposes only, of course

>>4455499
i was hoping to show the head tilting back better using the values. so the nose and chin get stronger highlights as they would be jutting forward thus being hit by the light more directly. the bottom right of 1the jaw is just a mistake, i must have overlooked it. it should be as dark as the just of the area. and the chin highlight probably shouldnt extend as far right as it does. and the nose is fine. i meant for the light to be coming from the left.

>>4455506
Artbook thread has them in some of the larger packs: Hyper Angle, Super pose book nude and real action pose, not alwasy the largest of scans though

>>4455509

That's what I see, chin highlighted because she is blowing a kiss

>>4455509

What about using an airbrush to blend the contouring?

>>4455509
All sounds good, keeping a critical eye on it as you work and talking yourself through 'why does it look like that', 'what does this imply' and 'what would be the correct way to show this' at the end of a piece should always be done.

It's nice work anon, I'm sure you can get to great as long as you're not too congratulatory of yourself.

>>4455512
ah, alright. thanks a lot

>>4455514
Do it on an already incorrect piece and you'll have something smooth and wrong.

Stick to harsh correct planes for now.

>>4455520

Why not save it as it is, then open a new one, try the airbrush and if it doesn't work go back to the original?

this part would look great with an airbrush

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>>4455409

You're a little rude, you offered nothing of constructive criticism.

Now post your art you son of a bitch.

How do I make a concept for a character look less stiff while standing in generic default poses?

>>4455579

>>4455579

He is in a very military straight standing to attention.

Here's a relaxed dude

>>4455436
/beg/ spans a huge range of skills, from people who just started drawing today to people who have been drawing for a year or more and can produce some decent finished work. The latter group are "on a track", the former group isn't. That guy clearly belongs to the former group. There's nothing wrong with that of course. We all have to start somewhere.

>>4455557
For now you need to Just Draw and accumulate mileage, don't stress out over whether you're "on the right track" or not.

>>4455579

Hands in pocket? Maybe that would be too casual for the character's personality but would loosen up the pose.

>>4455588

I don't believe in negative criticism like that, you can knock a person's self-esteem to the extent they put down the pencil.

>>4454950
>Also you can double the resolution on the sword by using the mirror modifier.
link?

>>4454760
ok, thx

they said post whatever

Sometimes when you think you are helping, you are inspiring hopelessness.

>>4455599

10/10

>>4455593
There's nothing negative about pointing out that someone just started and thus it's too early to discuss their trajectory of development. It's simply a statement of fact.
Real crabbing would be something like, "you are so terrible that you will never make it and you shpuld quit now." That would NOT be a statement of fact.
Anyway if someone actually does quit because of an anonymous post on a Japanese cartoon forum then that's on them. I actually don't subscribe to the "tough love" philosophy of trying to weed people out through crabbing. But I also don't think you should wilt like a faggot if someone does try to crab you.

>>4455609

It's an utterly redundant thing to say to someone and the only reason you would do so, is to bolster yourself.

>>4455600
Sometimes people who say they want help only need someone to be sorry for them to boost their ego.

>>4455616

We're on an art forum, posting art is a prerequisite and you will be hard pressed to find an artist without a wanting of acceptance.

>>4454854
>>4455150
Alright, you listen up, you little FREAK.
The fun stops here. You're gonna SHUT your stinkin' trap and behave, DAMMIT!
You never had a test in school where you had to study for, and you got a better grade on the test than you would have if you hadn't studied?
Can you draw an kangaroo better if you know what one at least looks like, or if you've never ever seen one before, or know what one is?
Boom, you're better at drawing kangaroos than someone who doesn't even know what a kangaroo is. You learned something.
You're at the gym and you're lifting shit with your back because your body most likely got comfortable that way. An instructor comes by and works with you telling you you have to lift with your legs, so you begin to train yourself to keep your back straight and lift with your legs.
You keep that up and eventually you don't have to think about lifting with your back.
Boom. Your brain worked with your body to correct your form and technique.
Why can't the same principles be tied to working your brain with your arms and wrist?
Oh, because you're too busy being a bawl baby BITCH complaining about dumb SHIT on a Big Bad Beetleborgs erotic fanfiction forum on the INNNNnnternet!

>>4455614
It's not redundant because some people are "on a track" in /beg/, and some people are not on any track because they just started. They are essentially still at the starting line and only just turned on their engines.
But since you're so fucking butthurt about it:

>>4455331
Right now the most important thing for you is to just keep drawing, subject matter and methodology etc aren't important.
Your copy of the reference is clearly very inaccurate. Overlay your drawing onto the reference and you will see the differences clearly. Try to draw more accurate copies of the reference next time. Trace a few times if you have to.
If that drawing was from imagination then stop doing that for a little while and make sure you can make at least semi-accurate copies of references first before trying to draw from imagination.

Happy now?

>>4455616

There's a difference between wanting acceptance and a pat on the back to boost themselves than dragging someone down to boost yourself.

>>4455624

That was good of you to consider what I said, thank you.
Maybe you could share an interesting reference for them to try.

someone posted this on another thread

>>4454745
Wait, what's the difference between analyze and copy?
I'm looking at a picture and drawing it like I would if it were a real model and not a picture. I'm definitely not tracing it.
I'm analyzing it when I overlay it on top of the photo too see how off I was.
I...? I don't know?

>>4454854
This is some next level cope. Stop making excuses for not drawing.

>>4455680
If you trace over a photograph perfectly, it'll look shit. The difference between analyse and copy is answering the question: why does a traced photograph look shit?

>>4454854
>Plenty of people simply can’t draw neat lines, or divide things into specific even portions, or pick out shapes and shades from an image, these are things you can’t teach and if you can’t do them you simply will never be good at drawing.

KYS. All of those are skills anyone not mentally challenged can acquire, nothing to do with talent.

>>4455728
But I'm not tracing. I'm just trying to redraw what I see in front of me, then overlaying it to see where my major mistakes are. And by doing that, I see that my proportions are all out of wack.
I guess I don't see that as copying per se, but trying to get the form and perspective and foreshortening correct, which is one of my areas that needs worked on.
Just so I'm not falling into a trap with this: so if I'm doing Loomis for example. How do I do the exercises if I'm not copying them? Or (pic related), I'm drawing Barque plates. By redrawing them, am I copying them which is bad and not helpful?

>>4455764
I'm just talking about photos. Barque plates are made for copying. Also even if your proportions line up with the photograph, it won't be "good looking" proportions. You're going to have to use your little brain and think about why.

OP pic give me mixed feelings. on one hand I made it to the title and this is kind of sudden success. On other hand it is there because how ridiculous it is and this kind of embarrassing.

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>>4455499
well thanks for the feedback. im going to immediately suppress all any sense of pride from this piece and get back to grinding so i dont get complacent

>>4455778
My first thought when I saw the OP pic was that it might be too good for /beg/. So, good job.

This is supposed to be a kobold. Any tips?

>>4455781

Do the airbrush on opacity 24% (you can increase as desired) then use smudge tool on about the same opacity to blend any more solid part

>>4455794

More intense red or more ruddish colour?

>>4455794
Make it look good as only a line drawing before you try to shade or color it.

>>4455794

>>4455798

Don't worry about how the notes sound, just worry about playing them for now

advice from my music teacher as a child

>>4455622
Lmao okay retard. Keep pretending that drawing loomis heads with your chicken scratch for hours every day will somehow magically make you an excellent artist in 30 years. We can all just pretend the heritability of talent is a myth, and that you get better at drawing because you “work out your wrist muscles” or whatever bullshit you believe

>>4455805

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TXEZ4tP06c

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>>4455803
I'll definitely redraw this putting more focus on the line art and using a more intense red, thank you! any more general purpose tips for someone who's only been drawing a week?

>>4455812

Enjoy what you are doing and things will come naturally with each new piece and don't be afraid to step outside of your comfort zone

>>4455701
The only ones coping are the talentless retards pretending they’ll have talent, mine is the much harder pill to swallow yet somehow you optimistic dipshits have convinced yourselves you’re hardasses for “working” everyday by barely moving your wrist around for a few hours. If it takes you 20 minutes to draw a loomis head you just give up, there’s no point telling someone who will never be good to waste their time getting frustrated and continually believing their inability comes from “just not working hard enough”. Have you not ever noticed that in every study, from math to art to science, there are some kids who barely study and excel anyway, while others struggle to comprehend even the beginnings of the text book? Could a chimp learn to draw if it just did it enough? And if not, why couldn’t the same innate differences between a chimp and a human that allows one to draw and the other to not, not also exist within humans? The only disciplines where the principles of just “getting better” apply are in learning stock factual information (as in a history class), working out, and in some video games(which simply involve learning less descriptive but no less solid information). There is just no reason to lie about this stuff unless you’re hiding something. You could say “being good at drawing requires both talent and hard work”, which would be a good refutation, but you all insist that just anyone can get good at just about anything, because of some naive belief in the equality of each and every person that you know you don’t really believe.

>>4455808
Wow most people can in some way copy extremely simplistic cartoons, this totally btfo’s my argument and demonstrates that anyone can learn to draw.

>>4455827

Bad attitude buddy, sort it out.

>>4455809
Oh my god it's Constructanon.
You haven't improved very much. I'm sorry.

>>4455809

>>4455825
I believe in talent, IQ, various other kinds of innate psychological differences in people. Clearly art talent is real and some people are naturally better at it than others. You could be right that some otherwise physically normal people are incapable of learning to draw past a certain level. (I think everyone is capable of learning to draw to SOME level, because I started at true absolute zero, no talent at all, and now I can copy photo references at least somewhat well). But even if you are right, we don't know what the exact parameters are. We don't know for sure what the inherent ceiling X is of someone born with Y level of talent. There's too many individual cases to say for sure. Therefore I'll just have to keep trucking on and hope for the best. If it all ends up being a waste of time and I still can't draw when I'm 80, then, oh well. Not like I was doing anything better with that time anyway.

>>4455772
So when other anons posted their drawings of the pose/model
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>>4450764
They don't line up with the original pose, but they're considered good because it fits within the means? Like if the actual model moved his leg in, it would fit like in the drawing?
I myself am not saying those other anon's drawings are bad, but I mean, they're good even though they're not 1-to-1 proportional to the picture?

>>4455835
Rather inconvenient that somebody actually remembers me.

>>4455841
Not quite sure what this is supposed to highlight in particular. Is it just that the fire (not that you can actually recognize it in black and white) looks garbage?

>>4455875

I was just having fun anon

>>4455848
I never claimed to know the parameters, but doing the same shit over and over isn’t going to make you any better. If you aren’t improving you can obviously try learning in a different way, but improvement happens when you realize something WHILE doing something (as in noticing, oh I should hold and move the pencil x manner to create y stroke). But some people could be told and understand this information but still not replicate it. This is why it’s important not to fall for the “just read loomis and practice” shittery, there’s plenty of potential that you can’t do something the “correct” way but can achieve a similar result in a different way, so doing the same thing everyone else does in the hopes you’ll just “get gud” could very well be time you could have spent learning how to achieve something similar in a way that comes more naturally to you

>>4455875

I thought it was a cool drawing.

fuck ears and fuck noses

>>4455878
I was only responding to the point about talent and innate skill ceilings.
We could debate forever about optimal learning and practice methods.
I'm in agreement with you that you need to have your brain turned on and analyzing while you draw in order to improve.

>>4455891
Oh. Thanks.

How do you go about actually using the midpoint to your advantage (KTD)? I somehow still end up fucking up my proportions through restatements, causing one part to be larger than expected and consequently moving what was supposed to be the midpoint or the edge of the drawing

mad skillz

>>4455599
Hood dude looks cool, but don't forget what's under the clothes you draw. Give the dude a cranium.

>>4455957
there no head underneath, I know. But thanks.

Currently working on the one with the drapery

>>4455966

That's so elegant

>>4455970
Thank you anon

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>>4455077
How do you fags draw eyes so nicely, fuck

>>4455073
Bro you're really supposed to work all these problems out when it's still a sketch/line drawing.
This is a classic example of turd polishing.

working on shaped.
Just wondering. for more complex shapes like dodecahedrons is there an easier way to image it in 3d space. I can understand squares, circles, cones, etc. but for more complex shapes I can't wrap my head around it, and most tutorials are how to draw it using a ruler and measures points.

Should I rotate the page like Scotty recommends when practicing straight lines? I feel like it would make more sense to be able to draw straight lines from other angles.

working on shaped.
Just wondering. for more complex shapes like dodecahedrons is there an easier way to image it in 3d space. I can understand squares, circles, cones, etc. but for more complex shapes I can't wrap my head around it, and most tutorials are how to draw it using a ruler and measures points.

>>4456044

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVdu5yU9MUk

>>4456048
>>4456051
yea I saw that already, so I'm guessing there is no real easy way to do it like some other shapes?

>>4456055

that's crazy man

>>4456052

I'm not sure

>vidya, anime, shitposting - lots fun, 0 effort
>learning to draw - 0 fun until you get good, extreme effort
How do you resist temptation

>>4456079
make the learning process fun for yourself. teach yourself to love problem-solving. you're struggling with your attitude here anon

>>4456079
ngmi can you shitpost in vent please?

>>4456079
my pp go hard when I draw a perfectly diminishing cylinder properly cutting the 3 VP cube in my 1 point 25mm lens looking down perspective
desu

>>4455943
Good work. Draw more.

>>4455957
>>4455959
Cranium version is pretty damn nice.

>>4455966
The one in the middle is bloody well done mate. Draw more.

>>4456048
You're starting to feel the form, good job. Feel harder. No fear. Only feel.

>>4456055
Cool designs my dude.

>>4456055
gj, always thought they looked silly tho, now draw Mako

Sticky is useless if no one reads it.

>>4454301
Drawing construction lines that show you the center of the pelvis, and then not using them to center the pelvis, makes it seem like you're drawing this without much thought.

Ask yourself if you really like this or if you are doing it because someone told you to do it.

>>4454448
Brushes won't help. Go through ctrlpaint.com rendering series. Do that monochrome jug thing.

>>4454451
Patreon?

>>4454580
Nice Dot Grid Book.

>>4454950
If you can't see the issues yourself at this point and you're asking for people to crit it, you're beyond help.

>>4454975
Clean, expressive gestures. Not /beg/ tier anymore, level up.

>>4455029
Same as with >>4454301. Drawing construction lines on autopilot. Re-evaluate if this is what you want to do with your life.

>>4455449
No one is paying attention to this anyway, so they haven't even gotten to the "not wanting to hear this" part of the emotional spectrum.

>>4455966
Look at the value range of skin compared to the fabric, and use that to "isolate" the two of them when you render the fabric out. That way you can still have both rendered softly but they will not overlap.

>>4456015
Thanks, im using basic perspective and refs. Post your eyes and i will try to give you cirt and tips.

>>4456079
the key is to enjoy drawing while being bad at it

holy shit loomis is a fucking meme I've been tryharding is "draw the head" for 2 month every day for multiple hours without any progress.

NEVER EVER LOOMIS

>>4456200
t. brainlet

Drew a bf for a friend, opinions on the anatomy and the pose?

>>4456203
reallt bad , just use a ref i doub he will care

>>4456065
>>4456106
>Cool designs my dude.
Just trying to practice some perspective concepts with already existing designs, I hope nobody thinks I came up with those myself :T

>>4456113
Same, always felt like they were too blocky and bulky.
Makes them relatively easy to draw though, which I needed after failing miserably with the normandy.
I might go for the mako, need some practice with ellipses/ wheels.

>>4456200
Nope Loomis isn't a meme stick at it and you'll progress, Mind you i'm shit but I was even more shit without loomis xd.

>>4456202
yeah at this point if I do an IQ test I'm pretty sure I'll score something like 65-70 if I'm in a good day.

Eizouken inspired me but drawing at a beginner level makes me want to cry

>>4456231
lel, I'm drawing her right now. Great show in general

>>4456203
as a swordfag I'm appalled by the sword. just so you know, the hilt's grip is usually more of an ellipse, also there is always some sort of pommel on the back.
but too /beg/ to talk about anything else

>>4456230
You have weak observation skills.

Lets try this again.

Open up Loomis' book and draw, AS ACCURATELY AS FUCKING POSSIBLE, each one of the stages that he does for the head. Side by side next to each other, similar to how he lays them out.

Then post his sheet and your sheet next to eachother in a post here.

Start there. None of this "hey lets start inventing our own heads and shit". If you can't copy accurately, you're up shits creek without a paddle.

>>4456244
I've been copying him for two month everyday...
this is just a fraction of what I've done I have more on paper more on my ipad
there is people that have the mental ability to draw from imagination and there literal brainlet like me.

It's like, I can kinda feel the form, but I can't help but think that my proportions are all out of wack.
And do I have to do 100+ hours of shoulder exercises to stop chicken scratching/line confidence? I swear it's the hardest thing to rectify.

>>4454262

>>4456258
do you actually understand 3d forms?
can you draw a sphere correctly? can you bisect it correctly?
can you draw a cube correctly and understand the non-visible planes as well as the visible ones?
you're copying lines but not understanding the forms they represent.

>>4454820
>>4455077
This is so good. I can't make the eyes symmetry even if I looked at ref.

>>4456258
and not only that I've made so many fucking study from photo even self portait, I did figure for all it's worth back in 2013 I did several month then quit each years I tried to get better at drawing since 2013 and quit after a few month because I couldn't do any other shit than silly copy shit. I've filled so many sketchbook so many printer paper A4 A3 full boxes of shit drawing and failures.

>>4456265
>>4456258
Can you step back and picture a wireframe form like you were watching it being rendered in a computer?

>>4456262

>>4456230
>>4456270

So which planes of the head are you missing here?

>>4456278
I don't know, I think I'm just trying to do a complicated angle from the bottom but without applying the perspective needed... I really don't know what I'm trying to do... I feel so fucking stupid

hey guys quick question, I was doing some perspective drawing and was wondering is this the correct way to do a square that is angled so none of the edges are vertical?

I have so much trouble with color theory. I want this to be a warm pink and green but it just looks so drab. What am I doing wrong?

>>4456282
are you
>>4456270
>>4456258
>>4456230

>>4456292
yeah ok this is a head from imagination but I can't do any other angle correctly fuck it I will never do any other angle than this one

>>4456298
Pull up a ref of a head from bottom and do a loomis style construction on top of it and follow it through all the way.

You can't draw a kangaroo if you've never seen one before.

You're doing well, so don't be discouraged by the shitposting we're doing. You just need to ram it with plenty of practice from refs until you know what goes where.

>>4456310
>>4456278
>>4456268
>>4456262
>>4456244
>>4456218

thanks for helping me anons I will do my best to become better.

>>4456314
thats the spirit

>>4456314
If you want to make it slightly easier on yourself, you may want to search for photos of sculpture portraits because they the skin tone and other shit that prevents you from seeing shadow and light planes.

Photos like this one should make it _very_ obvious what is in shadow, what is in light.

>>4456320
>they the skin tone
they [remove] the skin tone

Man fuck traditional, I tried it and its fucking frustrating, I can't just ctrl z some shitty line, I have to erase it manually over a dozen times until it finally comes off and if I put even the smallest pressure that fucking line is there forever, and even after inking it still looks fucking messy.

Fuck this shit I just need my cintiqbux.

>>4456181
Nah I've just been copying so far, not even at the part where I'm drawing from memory

>necks are always too short or too long

I can't into construction or foreshortening. Especially arms and legs, I just can't put together a whole body. Help me anons.

>>4456320
It's not only because they've removed the skin tone, but it's because they're made by absolute masters of the human body who've completely absorbed every single little anatomical nuance and bumps, allowing them to perfectly accentuate and organize the planes even more clearly than real life.

>>4456118
>Drawing construction lines on autopilot
i don't know what you mean by this

>>4456480
yea, try loomis, bridgman, villpu, proko. draw 100 figures a day from wherever you can.

Still grinding gestures. Hoping to improve chicken scratch and more accurate and simplistic lines. I think there's a glimmer of hope!

>>4456288
sorry to reply to myself but I think I've solved my problem

>>4456529
I'm too /beg/ to help you but that looks good. How can I reach your level? Also, isn't that Kagura from Azumanga Daioh?

>>4454262
drawings making me depressed i just want to be good.

Lads which is the best tutorial to follow? I'm overwhelmed and I'm not sure what I should be doing and I feel like I'm making no progress

>>4456563
What do you hate to draw the most? Start drawing that a lot.

>>4456527
Is really just a memorization game?

>>4456622
It's a practice game. Like playing basketball. You need to memorize how to play the game, but you've got to practice to make good shots. And it's not about what fancy footwear you have or anything else. Just you. Naked. With a pencil and paper.

>>4456647
I knew my cloths were holding me back...I bet murata draw's naked.

>>4456622
It's even more sad than that, I'm losing it bros.

did some perspective, plan on doing at least 100 today

This is abstract.

>>4456677
Don't forget to also do ellipses, cylinders and other forms too. Mix it up a bit, put them together in some way, keep it interesting.

>>4456702
yea, I'ma start with each individual shape a day and then put them together. really want to crank out the fundamentals in the beginning so I know I've got it right.

>>4456042
Eh sometimes you end up polishing turds. The best I could do is pretend it doesn't exist and make something new. Should I just scan stuff from my sketchbook and work off of those when I'm in a turd polishing mood.

How do you guys work late at night with colors? my eyes get tired if I dont enable night mode and block blue light

>>4456261
You should try to stylize the original design more. Furry heads on a human body looks so bad, especially if the characters are short

>>4455150
>some people are literally unable to correct them
How they are literally unable? Are their body unable to move? Their minds cant send the right signals to the arm?

>>4454262
Are these varied enough and how are the anatomy on the bodies?

>>4455429
just make some eyes studies.

I don't get gesture drawing. I've tried working with Michael Hampton's and Bridgman's books but it just doesn't click with me. What can I look for other that those?

where do i pirate photoshop at? im not in any private trackers.

>>4455429
You're not concerned about the mouth, ears, face shape, lack of nose, neck, head height or the fact it reads as totally flat?

>>4456917
Nope. You need to look more at how females hips work

>>4456917
>Are these varied enough
for what?

>>4457058
for interchangeable npc parts

i just doodled all of yesterday

what the fuck is this shit?

i keep eye ball 90% of the exercices

>>4455029
where's this from? I'm trying to start drawing again and sorry if it's from the sticky I haven't checked it out all yet

>>4457072
Can you read? It says it right there. How To Draw. Drawing and sketching objects and environments from your imagination.

>>4456520
I mean you are not paying attention to the ref that you're trying to copy. You aren't looking at angles or at proportions.

The point of construction isn't to draw construction. It's to break down what you see or what you want to draw into more manageable parts. But you can't do this if you're single-mindedly focused on construction. What is the angle of the jaw bone? Does the chin stick out further than the eyebrow ridge? How further out? Where is the ear in relation to the eyebrow and the nose? And so on.

In your example, the bottom-right photo has an arc going through the middle of the eyes. You have this arc somewhere at the eyebrow level. Look at how far the tip of the nose is from this line in yours compared to the ref. How did this happen?

I would highly recommend, against popular opinion, that you clean up your lines as you work on this so that you're left with one definitive line that you want to capture. It will at least make it easier for you to see where the mistakes are.

>>4457074
looks like hampton

Is this tablet good?

>>4457082
it's basic, the pen is like the old bamboos.

>>4456932
Any suggestions?
>>4457042
Yeah, I know I'm trash but I felt like the eyes are the worst imo.

>>4456551
>How can I reach your level?
lol, assuming you are not joking.

By default I recommend draw a box, because it was the thing that helped me the most. But if you post your work I can try recommend something else.

Yes, it is kagura. How did you know? Did you saw in my other post?

>>4457082
It's just a screen that works with a basic wacom pen for $400. No touchscreen, no shortcut buttons, and only works with a computer or android phone. Please don't waste your money on this. You can get any of the mid/high end Huoin / XP screen tablets for the same price. You can grab an Ipad Air with the pen for the same price. If you're a Wacom fanboy, using a screenless tablets probably better anyway for posture. Only get this if you have a strong traditional background and need that hand eye co-ordination, hate the chink brands, and can't afford a cintiq

>>4455446
neat concept but those arms and bodies need a lot of work

I, very high right now.

>>4457080
i moreso focused on the under-construction and volume, but i see what you mean now, thanks
>>4457074
Hampton, i would highly recommend, it breaks down construction into blocky shapes which really clicks with me

>>4457107
>lol, assuming you are not joking.
Not joking here, I think the drawing looks decent.
>By default I recommend draw a box, because it was the thing that helped me the most.
I'll go check this out, thanks.
>Yes, it is kagura. How did you know?
I should know because she is mai waifu.

>>4454262
how to improve this? it's a drawing of toad from mario in the sahara

>>4457111
I don't know I always get the vibe that reviews on youtube for huion and XP pen tablets are kinda dishonest.

I see people talking about how fast they wear down and stop working, how shitty the cables are and how these cables cost a fortune to replace, how big the parallax is, how bad the colors are. But then I go see youtube reviews and they all say how its as good as cintiq and shit, dunno who to believe.

Not going to lie, I was thinking about getting a huion 20 inch tablet first, and then an apple, but it seems the chink products have trash quality, and the Ipads have tons of limitations (this one I can believe 100%.)

>>4457103
Any manga. Because manga eyes are normally simpler that most anime and illustration.

>>4457072
It has bunch of techniques and helps with 3d thinking, but a bit too advanced and kind of useless you have a bunch of exp in perspective alredy. Do Perspective Made Easy, draw a box and Erik Olson's lectures (they are daunting, need at least till 11th one).
>>4456287
yeah, do an overlay and draw with line tool on top to see the VPs. The closer VPs are to each other the crazier the angles btw, draw mostly with light diminishment.

>>4457132
thankyu Anon, will check it out soon

>>4457145
i will finish this book, is just shit i already good at, i found no challenge until now

Made this a while ago

>>4456682
Cool cloudy mood and textures, there is some tempo to it even.
I don't like how the left solid line ends in a blob, the hair lines and bottom negative space seem redundant too.

Is this is human-shaped ? lol

>>4457164
dude with a spear is attacking edge of the picture :/

>>4456106
>The one in the middle is bloody well done mate. Draw more.
Thanks and will do anon.
>>4456118
>Look at the value range of skin compared to the fabric, and use that to "isolate" the two of them when you render the fabric out. That way you can still have both rendered softly but they will not overlap.
Appreciate it. This will be tricky.

necks practice

AAAH I need to study perspective cylinders more. I followed the tips from videos but it still looks funky. yet all the angles match up.
more studying perspective for the next week or two.

>>4457281
ah shit looking at it I realized my mistake. I should have been using 3 point perspective right?

>>4457281
Your cylinder hurt my brain

>>4457285
it hurt mine, then I realized. I'm sorry I put you through that

Not high anymore.

Screw you guys! I’m going home.

I'm trying to hit a higher level. The exercises I'm doing today is basically "find a reference, then change shit". So the gestures about 50% different from the original reference. Same 1 - 2 minute timer though so I have to modify them on the fly. It feels good.

>>4455446
The hair looks pretty good, you should consider adding some texture or detail for thier bodies and clothing.

humanity

I wanted to draw a cute cat. But it's turning into some kind of bat.

Am I correct in assuming Loomis did the first two of this series using his method and said "fuck it" for the rest and drew them spontaneously? I tried really hard to build the 3rd and 5th, I managed to draw the 3rd one on the fourth try but the 5th was an epic fail, I can't visualize accurately how the ball and planes are placed.

>>4457468
>I can't visualize
Then visualize

>>4457139
just save up and get a cintiq. even the entry level cintiqs 16/22 are good. the wacom one uses old tech from 2008

>>4457486
I'll try harder but I still feel like there is something wrong with the construction, maybe I'm just retarded.

>>4457386
shut up fatass

How do i finish the middle part of her hair?

Considering there are essentially no stakes to drawing, at least no more than involved in sitting watching YouTube, playing games, or shitposting, what do you think is the psychological reason people are hesitant to “just draw”? My personal theory is that most people are exposed to exceptional art on the internet (or whatever medium) constantly, and since they never see these people agonizing for countless hours over trying to improve, they get it in their head they have to be at least nearly that good immediately, even if they know logically they don’t. So in a way they’re hiding from their own lack of ability, as if by not drawing, and making evident that “yeah, I still suck”, somehow it won’t be true, the question of their ability will be somehow ambiguous, like schroedinger’s cat

>>4457513
try using 3d models

https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/drawing-figure-for-artists-base-head-planes-fafb17bb02664aa29fb006263e4ee186

https://sketchfab.com/search?q=Planes+of+the+Head&sort_by=-pertinence&type=models

>>4457551
I tried doing that yesterday but I can't seem to put the head in the position I want because it seems locked on two axes and the controls are super weird, but I'll try again maybe I can figure it out.

>>4456244
People really need to learn how to teach or at least basic rhetoric before they give pointless advice. Do you think that anyone looks to draw or copy something and says to themself “I’m going to draw this inaccurately, I’m going to make a point to do this wrong”? Think about the question for a second

How does fashion illustration work? I find it interesting but I can't draw for shit. To my surprise a lot of designers rely heavily on templates. Is it just a matter of elaborately dressing up pre-drawn figures?

>>4457564
drawing the figure is a waste of time

>>4457114
Yeah i'm working on those. Not sure how I want to color the body. Was thinking of just leaving it flat and lineless

And only small kids and old people do not afraid to suck/

Drawing from a photo and then thinking about what it might look like from another point of view. Kinda fits into my "change it by 50%" practice from before.

>>4457581
This is making my brain feel like when I first started learning gesture. It feels like pain. It feels like progress pain! I'm gonna grind this like I did with gesture.

>>4457571
So would it be better to just learn about patterns, textures etc and skip the figures for now? Fashion anatomy makes no sense most of the time anyway

>>4457188
He is defending it's borders

Why the fuck are cats harder to draw than people.

>>4457616
fur

>>4457592
if fashion is your goal then perhaps focus on that. maybe learn how to draw a really simple figure

>>4457617
How do I fur without becoming a furry?

I tried making a sketch i will make it bigger in actual drawing is there anything wrong with it currently

>>4457619
I can draw simple figures but not in intricate poses (think >>4457564 or some slight variation thereof)

How do I know whether I'm still symbol drawing?

if you have to ask...

>>4454854
are you retarded?

>>4454854
Based and blackpilled

>>4455446
very good job telegraphing subtle anatomy in those curves in the body and arms, but your proportions are off.
those arms are too short for their bodies, and the hands on the girl need some work.

Why is shading so much harder digitally? I can shade pretty well with a pencil but I just have NO comprehension of how to do subtle shades with a tablet.

When is the right time to transition to tablet drawing?
Should I have a solid grasp of all fundies before doing so?

>>4457891
mypaint has a good pencil brush. try that.

>>4457747
I suspect something wrong with ass and lines under it. but cant point it out.

>>4456545
Looks pretty sweet, sad to see you not getting (you)'s

Why do most recommend figure drawing first before head drawing?

new thread
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>>4457133
>because she is mai waifu

>>4455946
This is pretty nice, actually.

>>4457188
Because at first I only thought to draw the guy on the right (thats why the paper is folded).
And I have no idea what they´re attacking/defending.