/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

You eyeballin' my gains son?

Grind loomis

Tired some freehand too.

Does this look like it has form?

>>4442456
study the skull

>>4442456
It has some form. Not enough to look right, but its clear progress away from icons is being made. Keep working. Keep up live studies or photo reference studies, and study the skull more like the other Anon said.

>>4442461
>>4442468
Thanks anons! I'll do that

Based Loomis said I can draw using his methods. So I used Vilppu's methods instead.

not really a beginner in art, but learning digital art with a tablet and can't really seem to get confidence in long lines, so this piece is just a bunch of small ones

>>4441914
Anyone want to critique?

>>4442523
I think it's good, but the shading's kinda weird on the face where it's sharp, but the hair is smooth shaded, you should stick to one shading and ride with it

Bed time drawing.

this is a doodle i made in ms paint

>>4442590
Looks pretty good for ms paint.

finished this recently, I just got a draw pad so I've been trying to get used to it. Any advice on shading?

>>4442594
Stop painting for a while and start life drawing/drawing still life learning how to shade with the pencil pen etc then go back to color, you gonna see how much you're going to improve

one last of the bune. i dont think i will be able to paint it because my computer just died unless i can run CSP on a decade old computer without the computer shitting itself, unless SAI can work then i guess its back to traditional.

I started drawing in Jan and was super into it, practiced a few hours a day. Made quick progress and made a few things I'm happy with.


I was going to school and working full time. For the first 2 months everything was great. On the 3rd month shit started piling up and the contract and my job was ending so shit was stressful and I had to put drawing on the back burner since all my time was spent on papers and work.
After that finished I've totally lost momentum.

Any tips on how to get back into the groove?

>>4442396
So I decided that I want to start drawing again, but this time I want to invest real time into it. I stopped because I would get stuck in one thing and just move on to the next drawing without finishing the one before.
I want to go back to those unfinished drawings and give them new life, finish them for once. Pic related is the one I chose to start with, I believe I didn't continue this one because I had no idea how to draw the neck, any tips or advice on the drawing or how to discipline myself into finishing what I start?

I’m a sperg, and over the last few years I’ve tried to get good at drawing a couple of times, only to get so overwhelmed and frustrated I give up and try again a few months later, having forgotten all I had learnt from those first few exercises of Proko, Hampton, and and random manga tutorials. When I learn a piece of music it’s a pretty linear process that’s easy to process and I don’t have this problem, but learning to draw... I just hate it! Despite the wonderful How to Draw: An /ic/ Guide I still feel lost.
I’m not TERRIBLE at just copying stuff (pic related), but any invention just makes me RAGE. I just want to first A, then B, and then C because of my fucking autism. If I ‘just do it’ my drawing degenerates into smudgy mess full of hard and angry lines.

So pls give me advice. Sorry if my question has been asked a million times already on this board. I don’t browse here often. I just really really really want to draw beautiful artistic porn like that of jeffr ),,:

Felt like shit today but I still drew something. Why do I feel like I can draw better when I don't give a fuck?

>>4442674
Literally just start again. Crack open a monster or brew coffee, put on some tunes, draw

Any suggestions on how to do the beard? I can't feel its form.

>>4442691
it looks fine

>>4442693
2/?

>>4442695
3/?

>>4442692
Not really, here I can actually feeel the form of the beard

>>4442696

>>4442698
5/?

>>4442699
are these gesture drawings too structural? am i defining the forms a bit too much? im having troubles between making the gestures look dead with just S,C,I lines and the tendency of adding too much detail but idk maybe there's something else im doing wrong help

>>4442401
Use less lines
>>4442403
Nice
>>4442425
I love your color choices
>>4442688
Free from inhibition
>>4442697
The form comes from the values it seems
>>4442703
Try opening them up, needs expression

im on day 2 of learning how to draw
im reading "drawing on the right side.."
and I had to draw a portrait as a first test
I sketched this quickly
thoughts?

can someone help me with this fucking hand pls

started drawing again after some years.
doing some hand study at the moment

Ik lips are out of place, what else?

Will studying sculpturing on the side be beneficial for developing my drawing/observation skills? I kind of want to do something else then only draw for a change, but not completely unrelated.

It should help viewing objects in 3d id think

>>4442759
nice hands anon. Funnest things to practice.

The second one from the right's ring finger is too close to the middle finger.

>>4442767
nice work anon. Eyes are symbol drawn

posted in a ded thread, did some quick ref drawings. Pretty fun quickly drawing random pics i see around. I still have no clue how to draw a face when the ref is small, boomer brain or dull pencil makes it hard

>>4442396

am i on the right path?
started drawing a few days ago

What's the best way to go about learning to draw clothing?

>>4442522
no you are still a beginner. regardless, use a smaller brush, or a different brush with less variation in line width.

Sorry in advance for screwing everyone's eyes up with my work. I pretty much just follow my wants when I draw.

Uh bros

>>4443006
You should get better wants.

>>4443069
Finally some fully colored Asuka

>>4442396
I failed to achieve the rhythm I wanted

>>4443093
can you post something that you were aiming for so we know what you wanted?

>try to carefully measure things out
>it comes out looking horrible and the process is so stressful it makes me want to cry
>try just winging it and drawing loosely
>results look about the same or better and i don't hate myself at the end
maybe there's something to the whole feng zhu "just draw faggot" philosophy

boxes
boxes everywhere
look back
boxes
there
not a box
a piramid
which is connected another box
and another box
and another
and an....
boxes
they are everywhere
look up
six boxes spinning around a cylinder
a cylinder
what interesting shape
I shall draw that today.

What exactly is a state of ngmi and how do you know when you’re there? Is there any way out or is an inescapable, intrinsic aspect of your being like talent (or a lack thereof) or having a small micro penis?

MY SOUL BURNS
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGHH
This is supposed to be just a base for the actual rendering... but I don't even know if I can push it further, my mind is blank I dunno what else would I do to make it look better

>>4443169
Giving up and posting instead of drawing. You get out by drawing.

>>4443171
But what if your drawings suck and will always suck? Or is sucking not an aspect of ngmi?

>>4443172
Sucking is not an aspect of ngmi.

>>4443135
I just wanted something more gestural and curvy, a steady constant flow of motion in the pose. I think I fucked up mainly on how the skirt and legs connect, and the stiff arms.

>>4443146
Same here

>>4443069
She short

>>4442547
Shoulders too high, neck too long. Left leg shouldn't look like that from our vantage point.

>>4443169
when you try your best and you don't succeed
>>4443172
try spending more times on your drawings. like a day. what can you do in a day?

Studies of skateboarders.
Crits very much appreciated, currently working through loomis while incorporating some other knowledge.

feedback please

feedback please

>>4443169
>>4443172
Recognizing that you suck is not symptomatic of ngmi. Recognizing that you suck and not taking any steps to improve is ngmi. Being automatically defensive when people offer advice, hiding behind, " B-but muh style!" That's ngmi.

>>4442940
Based.

>>4443217
I have never seen a single person on /ic/ use "muh style" as a defense of anything.

>>4443228
most people on /ic/ know they suck, that excuse is used by people who think they're good and use 'style' as an excuse for why their shit looks off

Tried to make it less messy and added some grass.. though it might look too out of place?

>>4442528
Alright I changed the hair to have more consistent lighting with the rest of the thing and made a few other adjustments while I was at it. If anyone knows anything else I should change let me know.

>>4443240

>>4443069

>>4443241
Holy shit you're right! They look like cousins

Bought wacom tablet yesterday and started Fun with Pencil, rate my dudes.

Is there any value to tracing?

Not looking for a means to produce something to take credit for. I just got a tablet and was having a hard time getting straight lines on it and started tracing an image and realized it was kinda fun. Is it actually worthwhile as far as an exercise?

>>4443296
It's good for breaking down the image and figuring out how/why it works and figuring out character specific proportions, but you should also do stuff on your own along with it.

>>4443296
People have built careers off of tracing. Personally, I find no value to it. You’re better off trying to draw the underlying forms.

>>4443194
>try spending more times on your drawings. like a day. what can you do in a day
Probably an average of an hour and a half per day over the last year.

>>4443338
Take it with a grain of salt. But I think 4+ hours of drawing is where learning happens. 1.5 hours is a warmup. One week of 8+ hours, is better than 6 months of one hours. Pic related no refs, doodled in a minute each, after a few months of drawing.

>>4443284
gud duds

how long until I git gud enough to draw my waifu in lewd ways and give justice to her beauty

>>4443359
Excuse me sir, but this is /beg/, /asg/ is down the block.

what am i doing wrong

>>4443371
Not reading the sticky or the books. Go read Keys to Drawing.

>>4443372
I did read the sticky and the first recommended book (rightside), did the practices, this is also a practice, guess I need to read KtD then

am I still symbol drawing?
Im trying really hard to copy what I see :(

>>4443375
Didn't you just tell me you read Right Side? You would know if you're symbol drawing or not. Maybe re-read that book then. You're not symbol drawing though in case you're wondering, but you should practice more too. Maybe even take notes so you don't forget the readings.

>>4443369
I can be a dirty weeb and beg at the same time.

>>4443376
I have very low confidence and need external validation or critique, or people to tell me what to do
also Im not good at remembering things objectively, Im more of an intuition/feeling type of guy
This is me practicing, I dont know if Im learning anything
here's what I was trying to draw

>>4443382
There are people to talk to get help with that. I would implore you to get some if you need it then come back to practice art.

How can I improve this?

>>4443359
Yeah well I’ve got a job. I’ll be forever beg. I do draw a bit more on the weekend, but only while high.

>>4443382
>>4443371
do they look the same? try some basic shapes first.

>>4442403
I'm mirin, nice leg form

>>4442681
Sometimes, you have to let go of unfinished drawings, anon. Focus on making new, completed pieces of art instead.

>>4443416
If it’s been more than a couple weeks just start over. You’ve probably learned a thing or two since then and it’ll be better for it rather than stitching shit together

>>4443404
>>4443376
>>4443372
I tried it again carefully, how about now?

>>4443093
I kind of like it

/redline? Owo

>>4443460
Do you see improvement from >>4443371?

>>4443519
yeah obviously, but I had the original pic side by side so it was a lot easier to copy the elements

>>4443460
Why didn't you draw it carefully the first time? If you're just gonna rush through your art and then shit it out for critique you're not just wasting your own time, you're wasting other people's time too.

This is better, but your values when shading are way lighter than what you're modeling. It makes it looker flatter than it should. Take your time, but also don't be afraid to make a commitment when drawing, whether that's time, effort, or doing something scary like using darker values.

>>4443522
I feel like I cheated with this last version

>>4443539
nobody knows or cares how you did it.
try colors

is the Ipad pro a good table to draw on? or should I buy one of those tablets that connects to my laptop?

2nd attempt

>>4443240
I suggest you try to make look the forehead rounder, it is a quite rounded surface even if it often glossed over due to stylization and thick eyebrow lines. You could also add a slight hint of a highlight at the backside of the body to make it look more of a solid object. I wold also suggest you make the white part of the eyes in shadow darker than the one in light unless you are doing pure monochrome. The eyes do obey the light and shadow laws as well and are almost never full whit unless they are lowing.

Did this help?

Drawing on a tablet with no screen is fucking impossible for me, returning this garbage, and going back to pen and paper until I can afford an an actual fucking tablet with a screen.

Trying to figure out the Proko ribcage works.
>>4442718
Your lines are fine, chicken scratching is only bad on the final inks (unless it's a conscious choice).

is it wrong that i use the lasso tool alot to readjust stuff rather than redraw it

Tried making a bunch of loomis heads and also an anime girl using the same method.
I have a lingering feeling that something is being done wrong.

>>4443582
yes

>>4443582
No.

What do you guys think?

>>4443595
symbol drawing

>>4443596
Is it really symbol drawing if you’re drawing from reference? In that case you’re just drawing what you see, not basing it on the underlying structure.

>>4443604
yes it is
look at that gun
it has zero 3D presence
everything on the face is just symbols

>>4443585
needs more anime

>>4443620
draw more boxes.

>>4443585
you didnt get the 3d aspect at all

>>4443620
Nice comparison image.

>>4443639
how do you unlock the 3D thinking skill?

>>4443645
try a 3d app

>>4443647
???

>>4443645
More practice.

>>4443645
volumetric contours

>>4443558
Pecs

>>4443654
This what I don't understand. Artists insists on drawing with contour lines, which does bring out the 3D aspect of a drawing, but we never see any contour lines on their finished drawings nor do we see contour lines in real life (obviously).

>>4443645
It helps to wear HD 3D glasses.

>>4443666
They're there to help you, not the viewer.
What also helps is perspective (things converge away from the POV) and foreshortening (Things shorten when they're tilted)

How do I tell if I'm "symbol drawing"?

>>4443673
If you're drawing while only thinking of the contours.

>>4443673
If it doesn't look realistic.

>>4443666
Contour is for line art. When you move into rendering, contour can be defined by color, value, and edge. Learning contour is important, for this reason, learning to replicate it with a line helps you visualize it later on.

When I read these threads I feel like all self help books are a gamble, and it's hard to know which one to put my time in. I haven't even started drawing yet and I already feel my time being wasted. I feel overwhelmed with how many "rules" there are to drawing and how much "skull study" there has to be. For other anons, is there any point where this feeling went from overwhelming to fun?

>>4443731
Just draw.

>>4442782
Yes, it can help, especially with volume and measuring (if you take life sculpture). One thing that helps, if you're any good at sculpture, is you can forever use clay to make forms to help figure out problems. But mostly, it really builds up your 3D sense, because if you learn to sculpt correctly, you get in the habit of constantly looking at whatever you're doing from all angles.

>>4443731
Drawings is no joke. I made my own path to make it fun.

>>4443731
3rd month in, it didn't. Worse yet, I still haven't outlined a clear path and just aimlessely drift from one book or exercise to another.

>>4443731
>I haven't even started drawing
leave now, and never come back, for your own good.

go to a local art class under a teacher, don't listen to d/ic/ks.

>>4443725
>>4443655
Lifty

>>4443746
Work on your linework

>>4443750
>>4443558

>>4443553
Thanks! It helps a lot. I did some of these judgements earlier. I'm trying to get those subtle color variations of the face, but I'm still finding it difficult. Any tips for getting that effectively?

can someone red line the hands plese

>>4443772
look at your hands, there

>>4443772
Stop zooming in when you're drawing.

can i start on a tablet, people say to learn on paper. But a lot of people who transition to tablet say its like learning to draw all over again. can i just learn on tablet if thats the only thing i plan on using.

>>4443791
I think it's objectively better. But there a benefits to each side. Do whatever to make you draw.

>>4443795
what is objectively better? starting on paper or drawing on tablet?

>>4443799
Tablet, whoops.

>>4443769
it depends mostly on the geography of the face to know where are the bumps and hols and what is the overall shape compared to the light. On color, usually you can just go from l light to dark an getting more saturated in the midtones and less and less as you approach the extremes. So highlights and shadows could be less saturated. You can also try to move the color from red to blue at the darker places that can produce a nice effect if you know how to do it. But a lot depends on the color of the ambient light as well. Remember that colors do not exist in a vacuum, they exist compared to each other.

>>4443786
but im a zoomer i cant help it

>>4443585
soul

I dont like reading books or following guides...

I just wanna use bruteforce to unlock my 3D thinking and construction skills.

Can I just draw boxes and construct animals/people on the 50% of my free time I'm supposed to learn?

>>4443585
Are you just drawing in Paint with a mouse?

>>4443816
you can but you will probably learn 800% slower

any good books on foreshortening?

>>4443816
The true bruteforce method to unlocking 3D thinking is drawing from life.

>>4443823
Don't bother learning foreshortening, if your lines aren't close to as good as mine. It's a big waste time. Learn construction good first.

>>4443826
draw what? Stuff in my room? trees in the park? my cat?

>>4443838
your micro peepee

>>4443746
Spine's fucked.

>>4443832
all u have been drawing is sketches m8 i dont think i can trust you

>>4443860
Based retard.

>>4443851
Yeah it seems to be tilting in an off way.
What about the musculature?

What resolution should I draw in? My final product is going to be 1080p, so is there any point in my canvas being bigger than that?

>>4443876
Very high res is a MUST for coloring. Every pixel counts.

>>4443864
Sorry, dude. Haven't got that far with Proko yet. The most glaring issue I know of is the proportions with the bones though, the curve in the thoracic region doesn't line up with the back plane of the ribcage, the cervical region has an unnatural bend, the proportions of each section of the spine looks off, and the ribcage seems to be too close to the pelvis.

>>4443886
How would you know? You don't even color.

>>4443862
you're not that good dude calm down

>>4443898
not that good?
he isn't good in any way shape or form
dude just posts 2 minute chicken scribbles of lolisdudelmaos and nothing else

>>4443901
At least we can all say we're better than one guy.

>>4443890
Call it very big brain.

>>4443898
I'm posting my work, everyone keeps telling me to. So here it is.

>>4443871
Symbol drawing. Not even the good kind baka.

>>4443907
yeah its rough. I drew it as one of the first exercises in drawing on the right side of the brain.

I'll keep trying tho

I'm trying to make a produce study for mothers day.

>>4443888
This any better for the "ribcage seems to be too close to the pelvis" criticism?

>>4443785
hows this

>>4443919
Why are you trying to make a kino as your very first drawing?

>>4443928
(You)

>>4443910
Don't focus on drawing the nose and eyes which people subconciously give more attention to and instead focus more on the general shape of the face and the shadows.

>>4443931

>>4443906
yeah but stop acting like you're hot shit. Your arrogance will cost you in the long run

>>4443886
>>4443906
>>4443928
>>4442403
>>4443359
>>4443381
>>4443739
>>4443795
>>4443832
>>4443862

please kill yourself i beg you

>>4443934
You get that information from a fairytale? I live on another wavelength you can't understand.

>>4443945
No you don't, you're on the edge of a psychotic break. Seek medical help.

>>4443945
Your destruction is guaranteed

>>4443917
That does look better, yeah. Watch with the size you're drawing the bucket for the pelvis too. In Proko's example it's about as wide as the ribcage, while you're drawn it about half the size.
Check out the critique video on his premium stuff if you haven't already. He goes over the perspective for the ribcage in a couple critiques, which is a bit off in your drawing there.

>>4443931
thanks for the genuine advice.

I'm not sure my smooth brain fully understands yet but i'll keep this in mind.

I think I may have an attention problem. I feel like this started well but I got bored at the end and rushed it.

Originally drawn upside-down

Anime = fun
shapes in perspective = boring
getting good = fun
not getting good = boring
anime = not getting good

what do.

>>4443982
fuckin eat it dude. accept that if you really want to get better you gotta spend time doing shit that isn't fun.

split your time between fun and not fun. maybe draw anime until you find a specific thing you can't do or that you want to do better then spend time getting gud at that specific thing

>>4443982
>shapes in perspective = boring
have you tried working in 5 point perspective?

>>4443982
you can draw things that are stylized and not anime

>>4443985
im bad at perspective, been drawing shapes in perspective like a fucking psycho for the last 3 days.

>>4443982
Anime = painful
shapes in perspective = painful
getting good = painful
not getting good = painful

>>4443982
Start drawing full body anime and make it detailed so you are having fun drawing what you like and actually practicing at the same time.

>>4443989
sounds like you're trying to sprint a marathon. instead of murdering yourself doing shit you dont want to do all the time for multiple days in a row just do a little bit of it every day

>>4443982
For one, fix your logical fallacy. How can getting good = fun but anime = not getting good. It would be anime = getting good because anime = fun and getting good = fun. Just like how shapes in perspective = boring, not getting good = boring so shapes in perspective = not getting good.

>>4443964
I see.
And these?
>>4443558

>>4444000
quadtrips of truth

>>4443982
The fact that you think this way means you will never make it.

>>4444012
I'll make it further than you nigger, my cubes will be crisp as fuck by next week and I will finally be able to draw anime without it looking flat as hell.

>>4444013
yikes /beg/ are dumb as fuck

>>4443159

>>4444022
She's cute now.

constructed version of >>4443917

>>4443982
Draw anime, that's what I did.

>>4444022
Finally you realized what makes shit cute.

>>4444027
thanks i studies faces

>>4443805
That seems weird to me because I always thought you were supposed to push some saturation into the shadows? Isn't that where you add some of your reds to deal with the subsurface scattering? Or am I just overthinking/kinda dumb?

>>4443917
It's way too big compared to the pelvis. Shrink that down; otherwise it'll look like he skipped leg day

>>4444022
soulless

>>4444035
I enlarged the pelvis instead, that works right?
Also made a /beg/ tier mistake on the sacrum-block on >>4444030

>>4444031
>Draw anime, that's what I did.
noted, I will not draw anime.

am i an artist now

>>4444040
made the sacrum-box too short

>>4444022
I like this a lot. commit to the mouth line tho

>>4444047
I can hardly see your sketchs. Try drawing with a darker tone

>>4444047
You're gmi.

>>4444007
They do look better perspective wise. You just have to remember that in it's simplest form, it is a box, and remember your perspective. Pic for example, lines for the front plane are converging.
It looks like you're drawing the sternum too short, and the thoracic arch too high. It should be roundabout the middle.

>>4444007
Not him but on the top-right you're only having them bulge on the X axis, not also the Z axis.

>>4443914
I don't know why it spun. if you have any tips for specific produce, let me know please.

>>4444077
That works fine for symbols, but if you wanna get serious you're gonna need to construct them out.
Like here but without limbs
https://drawabox.com/lesson/4

>>4444071

>>4443558
i'd really recommend learning how to draw a cube well first. going from basic 3d shapes like that to more complicated ones such as this ribcage would make it way easier

>>4443558
I would recommend you actually draw people

>>4442403
based

>>4444100
I know how to draw cubes, what's throwing me off is the fact that the bottom bit of the cube is bigger than the top, so there's a tilt.
>>4444105
this is proko not vilppu

>>4444157
these cubes are baby tier, also you need to draw complex forms

>>4444158
>>4443558
??????
you mean like pic related?

>>4444158
>three-point perspective cubes from imagination
>baby tier
of course, we all know the true pros always draw in four-point perspective.

>>4444185
a 3pv 4,5 cube it's braindead ngmi tier yes, try drawing a hand in any of these pv's and you will shart your pants that's my point you need to practice with complex form not a sissy cube you retard

first try in oils, damn these are tough. I feel like I messed up the values the most, help me figure out what else is messed up

>>4442396
speaking openly, if you are a technically terrible 'artist' but you are genuinely content with your own work, does it really matter if you improve at a technical level ?
I suppose you could argue your limiting your own ability to create, but then again the idea of forcibly drawing something you don't want to multiple times also seems counterproductive to your own satisfaction.

>>4444031
damn I dodged a bullet.

>>4443207
show construction

>>4444223
It depends what you want out of art. If you want to express your ideas with the highest level of visual fidelity possible then yeah you need to improve your technical skills.

However if you dont care about visual fidelity then dont worry about it. a lot of comic artists or "illustrators" are technically shit but they have just enough skill to express their ideas then their ideas are interesting enough that people care.

Does drawing tire out anyone else? After 1-2 hours of drawing my head is tired and it's hard to think. I can still force myself to keep going but it's difficult.

>>4444226
Dodged a bullet you don't want to miss.

>>4444244
like look at Brad Neely. Dude can't draw for shit but he's a more successful artists than any of us

i drew a gorl today

>>4443207
Middle finger too long

>getting coronabux
>finally will be able to afford a tablet.

Here I come bros, was saving for a scanner but it seems government will give me stuff.

>>4444301
if you already make 70k a year why do you even need 1k

>>4444306
because I make 0 a year my nigga.

Started drawing last week, still learning proportions, composition
Currently reading drawing head and hands by looomis

>>4444307
everybody laught at this retard

>>4444307
if you're not a taxpayer you are not eligible. also it hasn't even been passed yet.

>>4444309
What's wrong with being a full time student

>>4444312
if it isn't passed I'll just buy a scanner.

>>4443069
This just bleeds sex appeal

>>4443735
Cool, thx! Good thing the clay is cheap too. Didn't find much tutorials and stuff on sculpting tho, guess I'll just copy everyday objects in clay and then sketch them.

>>4444195
>>4444267
>>4444271
>>4444308
Get some fundies.

>>4444361
you got it

Not really a beginner, but I want some critiques on my art because I want to get better.
Any tips on how to improve shading, style, anatomy, literally ANYTHING
More arts at: www.artstation.com/l0st1d0l and www.instagram.com/l0st1d0l (not self-promoting, I just want critique on more pieces than just the one I posted)
Thank you so much!

Sometimes I don't know if some anime posters have severe schizophrenia or if they truly believe they are better than others of their kind.

>>4444367
You belong here :^)

How 2 drug legs

>>4443731
just start drawing w/e you want to, youll eventually realize that while the process is fun you arent the artist you want to be, then you will naturally
>want to practice more and learn the fundamentals, study your weak spots, etc.

suffering with meaning is no longer suffering

>>4444361
I don't want to be a dick, but come on I know you can do better if you put more than 1-2 minutes into your sketches. Also for the love of god please use a brush a little darker; I can hardly see what your drawing.

>>4444374
>asking this when the reference is right in front of you
Are you blind? Just look at it and draw. Trace if you have to.

Why the fuck do I always sketch better when I do a lewd pose I remember from my favorite doujins than the shit I've been studying for weeks.

>>4444388
It's your own perception and taste, what kind of stupid question is this? Go ask in the other thread.

Please somebody tell me, that doing linear perspective and Robertsons how to draw will pay off. I am starting to see cones of vision, vanishing points and such IRL constantly, is this normal.

>>4444373
Is this a good thing then?
Cause I really want to improve

murder copyfags

>>4444367
Seems like his upper and lower body are turning different directions.
If he's supposed to be rotating toward the camera it would help if his hips were open more with his right legs higher up to pull momentum.

actually the movement implied on his body is all over the fucking place.
His legs look like he's doing a front flip but his arm and eyes imply that he's coming around, rotating toward to camera.

Your gesture is confusing and doesn't sell this character.

I've come to realize drawing is 100 times easier, more fun and more relaxing if you just detach yourself from the end result and let yourself draw. Instead of analyzing and redrawing the same line for an hour, it's a lot better to just use that energy on another drawing and try to make that one better than your last. I think I've been so paralyzed by the idea of "drawing wrong" and developing bad habits that it stopped me from drawing at all. But that's a ridiculous idea (aside from physically damaging drawing habits of course)

What do you guys think of this drawing I've made today?

It's hard trying to figure out what's important.

>>4443069
the head looks too large. If you want a large head then don't define the features so much

HB pencil is overrated. What you really need is H, at least F, and 6B. After switching to those my linework improved considerably.

>>4443169
when you get too attached to your drawings and refuse to improve or take criticism. When you're so worried that your next drawing won't be as good as the drawing you just finished that you become afraid to draw.
If you have no talent then the best you could ever do is probably still a realistic drawing from references. It only takes humility, hard work and perseverance. Might not be able to make it a career if you're not talented but you should still be able to have fun.

>>4443069
nice improvement! next thing you could focus on is:

line quality

keep grinding!

>>4444424
Thank you for the critique, I'll keep thatin mind next time!
The idea was having his body rotating, yeah, guess I got it wrong :')

what should i be doing to fix these arms? i don't really know what i'm doing, anyone mind explaining or redlining?

>>4444512
heresy it is then

seriously, fuck ellipses

What is this art style called? It's not detailed enough to be called realistic but it's not cartoony either. It's right in the middle. And how can I get to this point?

>>4444631
+1

Done without a ref, can anyone suggest me some good tips on shoulders?

Can you please tell me which number you think looks the best and what I can do to make it look better?

>>4444246
Coffee, a lot of coffee

>>4444246
Because doing anything you are actively engaging in is mentally draining. Do a pomodoro technique,, meditate and drink tea. This is only why of being very efficient with learning

This looks kinda bad but I had a good time

>>4444367
not /beg/, you do not belong here, go away!

>>4444489
it is good for a sketch but there are a lot of lines to make it too messy

>>4444787
seems unfinished, his body should be casting a shadow on the rock he is using for cover

>>4444623
they are to short and don't have any actual form.
when you extend your arm straight and your wearing a long sleeve you'll notice that it still dips and raises to match the muscles beneath, it isn't completely straight and rigid.

>>4444022
Good stuff Asuka Anon! You are getting better do not be afraid to put some darker areas where the they are needed.

ill do real studies some day i promise. but for this im just trying to get away from same facing. the nose sort of bothers me

I am so confused about how the leg attaches to the pelvis. Any diagrams to share? What makes the "crease" between your thigh and your crotch?
I have Anatomy for Sculptors but I feel like they completely gloss over this area. Unless someone has a page number to give me.

>>4444489
Neat perspective.

>>4444237
I dont understand, please

am I on the right path to not symbol draw?

>>4442940
amazin'

>>4444918
Symbol drawing is not inherently bad. Cartoons are based on symbols. All representational art lies somewhere on a spectrum between more symbolic and more photorealistic, it's not either/or and most art does not aim for full photorealism.
If someone criticizes you for symbol drawing, they basically either mean "your art looks bad" or "you didn't make your drawing as realistic as you wanted it to be". If your drawing is at the appropriate level of realism but it still looks bad, then you need to acquire better symbols. If you're trying to render something more realistic but you're not able to, then you need to practice your rendering.

>>4444251
>he's a more successful artists than any of us

bruh you are steering from the topic of the conversation, I do realize that this sounds like cope but if you are not satisfied with the quality of work you are putting out you are not going to be satisfied even if you have "made it" either.

>>4444022
>put more "anime" elements into your style
>work starts to look better

who would have thought

>>4444891
the face has an extremely sharp edge there, a female face is always rounder unless you can soften it up but adding a longer gradient.

In general I would say the biggest thing that hinders you is that most parts of the face are just too big: eyes, nose, lips, eyebrows especially all too big compared to the head.

Because of this the face gets very crowded and you have little space to move them around, I would suggest you experiment and try and make these smaller, that will allow you to move them around and create more distinct faces.

>>4444954
oh i can see how the features are a little big. i did that on purpose so its sorta like pic related (just found this, not a ref) but i guess i over did it. oh well thanks for the crit

first dynamic pose i've done, the shadows and values are a bit off i know

come on brahs, group hug.

We are ALL going to make it.

>too lazy to ever be this good

how do they do it?

>>4444964
I understand brother but keep in mind that most of these photos you find on the Intrenet today, especially Instagram are all shopped and have automatic filters on them to "enhance them" which will deceive you if you use them for refs, that photo you posted is also clearly shopped all over not even well shopped mind you.

>>4444973
NO! You will give me the Corona virus like that, go away!

>>4444981
cause they enjoy drawing for the sake of drawing and love solving problems

>>4444966
>9920x7016

>>4444966
It looks like he's keeping the balance. Doesn't seem like he's moving.

PERSPECTIVE JIHADIST
YOUR REIGN HAS COME TO AN END
ANIME TEAM ASSEMBLE.

FUCK FUNDIES.
WE DRAW LOLIS.

>>4445003
Come on you don't have to lash out just because youre afraid of cubes

>>4445003
>WE DRAW LOLIS
You're such a weak and disgusting weeb scrub.

>>4444246
Every time but as soon as you push past this mark (usually takes up to 1 hour drawing while really tired) you're no longer want to sleep

>>4445020
Terrorist your end is near.

>>4445003
A retarded copyfag who can't draw a simple box will never achieve something.
Drawing is all about perspective, if you can't think in 3D your art will always look wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAlCyQqEZSU&list=PLgKJMTFp_25iQVZ6ItpZKTSN9Yo44YSTs&index=6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z--GtzFU2UU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2uJmh_JRmk

>>4445077
I will study anime for a week and shut down this whole charade and double standard

>Brainwashed box drawing jihadi draws like shit
>"Ooh he is improving"

>Anime guy draws like shit
>"LMAO STOP DRAWING ANIME YOU SUCK"

>>4445061
BOO!

What are some good tablets around the 1200 dollars mark

>>4445079
Here are some Brainwashed box drawing jihadi's art
https://www.instagram.com/kuzomari/
https://www.artstation.com/krenz
http://www.kimjunggi.net/porfolio/

Pic related is a copyfag's piece.

>>4445084
GMI

>>4445089
>Soulful 1000 times folded copy drawing like a true nihonjin.

>Souless box jihadi that drawing anime anyone can spot as western shit from 3 miles of distance.

kids, this is what max leveled autism looks like >>4445092
take notes

This is what max level cube jihadists look like

>>4445099
reported for racism

>>4445089
pyw.
I guarantee you that you draw like shit, you just BELIEVE that if you JUST study boxes enough then you'll draw like a god and btfo all the fools who didn't believe in fundies.

>>4445089
Why would you pick someone who's a self-admitted learner and use their work to say that copying doesn't work by comparing it to pros? There are literally terabytes of abysmal drawings from past /beg/ threads from people who were grinding Loomis heads and boxes, can we use that as evidence to say that boxes don't work?

do you like this little ghost I've made?

>>4445133
draw boxes

>>4442687
get a routine like for example everyday before you go to sleep one hour of drawing. then also have goals what you want to achieve and work towards that step by step. you will get frustrated at one point no matter what you do. also you should try to stop chicken scratching and work on making confident lines

>>4444631
>>4444702
Glad to see my fellow perspective chads

>>4445084
I didn't see you there, join our ensemble of box chads >>4445167

R8 my drawing !

>>4444702
The work of a fundiesfag
>>4445089
The work of a copyfag

>>4445167

>draw box
>lmao fag
>draw anime
>lmao fag
>draw anything
>lmao fag
what did they mean by this?

>>4445214
lmao fag

>>4444623
Maybe if you add some detail (with shades and so on) to the elbow area like cloth blending there. I doubt he has the arm fully straight as it looks from that Point of view. You can also just change the position of the arm to make it easier. "Higher" elbow looks more "aggresive", keep that in mind.

>>4443666
>never see any contour lines on their finished drawings
Weighted contour lines are literally a way to finish a drawing

another form/value thing. i find myself constantly forgetting that i need to visualise the light source as actually 3d, pointing towards the object, instead of just being (in this case) in the bottom right corner of my canvas, flat

also why does the middle concave part look moreso two-toned than monotone?

>>4445214
>what did they mean by this?
Why do YOU care?

I know it’s really simplistic shading but something’s wrong w/ the shadows on the face and I can’t tell what

help

>>4445335
I wanna be a concept artist and they need to know everything to be able to draw things. So tell me so I'll be able to draw (You) without reference.

Playing around with modelling tone and a nose.

>>4445339
Where is the light coming from? How far away is the light source? How far away are the loose strands of hair from the face?

>>4445339
like this?

>>4445372
Idk If I’m going to be able to describe it accurately, but I was trying to make the light come from in front and from the right, around from like 3 to 4 o’clock, and the hair come off a bit from her face in the front if that makes sense? Light source ideally kinda close and hard, like sunbeam through the window or a lamp.

I think I see now I have an extra shadow in there on the right

>>4445380
Yeah I think that’s closer to what I was trying to get at, I kinda have trouble visualizing the planes of the face esp w/ harder shadows. Thanks!

>>4444378
>>4443733
I appreciate the advice. I'm going to try my best.

>>4445137
I see, I’ll try that again, and stop the chickenscratching

So anyways, sometime before reading the reply to my post I drew this, after having drawn along with https://youtu.be/aOtVUHgJqQk
Someone pls critique. This is the first time I drew a body from imagination which doesn’t look too bad (to me at least), though for the face I did use a model.
Also, should I read Hampton or can I continue watching YouTube videos? Can I skip Fun with a Pencil? Study more gesture or anatomy? I’m aware there might not be a clear answer to these questions...

Forcing myself to try new things in my drawings and draw from different angles instead of my usual "From the side/front facing" shtick, now that I have the extra time from the current situation.

>>4445316
damn. both the form and lighting is inconsistent. i assume it's mainly a laziness thing

>>4445433
Please go learn fundies and please stop drawing coomer art

thoughts?

>>4445448
I just can't get in the mindset of reading a book to learn. I get bored really easy. I don't mind drawing, and I'm always trying to improve little by little by working with irl references and trying to copy what I see.

>>4444851
Is it worth working on more or should I keep moving on?

What does it mean to symbol draw?

>>4445454
Learn to properly draw stickmen first. Then move onto 3d cylinder-box people. Then you will understand what you did wrong here.

>>4445339
>>4445384
Here's the thing: the shadows are being cast as if the hair is closer to the light source than the face. The shadows should be "clinging" to the hair, but it looks almost as if the shadows are being projected onto the body from the light source.

im team fundies

o-oh no
is there anything i can do to transition better from upside down b/w studies >>4441729 to trying to draw a regular portrait? it seems like i can copy b/w upside down just fine, but when it comes to this i'm just getting so much wrong

>>4444074
Is this how the proko pelvis works?

>>4445675
Kind of, don't forget the coccyx too. Fair enough, tracing might help you get a better idea of the shapes, but it is just contour drawing. The pelvis exercise does put quite a bit of emphasis on the construction. In your earlier drawings, it looked like you were drawing the bucket then just disregarding it and not correctly measuring for the landmarks.

Learning with the mannakin.
I've found that skateboarding videos are a really good source for dynamic poses.

I suck at this pretty sure

dead thread

>>4446012
you and I are the only ones that didn't make it.

>>4445759
i like these, keep it up anon

>>4445882
try sketching with a brush that has no pressure sensitivity so you can focus on the drawing process and not the line work.

>>4443069
What the fuck did you guys do to him?

I'm new and I try to draw anime-ish kemono furry art
am I allowed here or is everyone gonna call me a faggot cuz I'm really nervous

Rate me lads

Tested different pencil grips. Ellipsis are fun

>>4446372
box jihadist

give me sum feedback/rate~