/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

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>>4428380
I absolutely love these OP images. I want to draw such moe. Does anyone ever here feel the same? Or are you all too cool for that?

>>4428384
Not everyone is a weeb.

>>4428384
Moeshit is for simps.

>>4418739
Only gmi in a general full of copyfags.

>>4428380
Are these threads worth posting to or should I post to alt?

>>4428538
This thread is like the /beg/ version of /alt/. So if you're /beg/ post here. If you're not then go to /alt/ but you're welcome to flex here if you're good.

just trying to doodle a ton more. instead of just doing construction for no reason.

>>4428543
>If you're not then go to /alt/
Those threads died when they were changed from the animu generals to "alternative" art and is now a quasi tumblr hub.

Trying to do more pinups

What would the effect be if you put some eye shadow around eyes like this?

And no I didn't draw this, just using it as an example.

anyone else try painting on one layer with only the lasso fill tool. Way more fun than painting with a brush, and faster. it's super messy, but only did it in 15 mins, and no line sketch needed

>>4428643
I'm too dumb to know what kind of shapes to lasso, so I paint. Only reason I don't use lasso.

Any tips on creating twitching/shaking effect (the arm, in this drawing) over a colored background? I'm away from all my art/manga books and can't find anything satisfactory by searching online

>>4428668
Honestly, Find a manga artist you like and respect. Emulate their techniques. But specifically for a shaking effect, put the characters arm into a position of "motion" and adding a few "ghost arms"/arm symbols just to show that the arm is moving up and down.

>>4428681
I can try that, thanks. The drawing above was done with no reference since I had no books. I'll start practicing again when I get back to them.

>>4428538
Stop asking this same fucking question every thread
What the fuck does it even mean for a thread to be "worth posting to"
Dumb fucking troll

Some Mizuryu Kei study I made.

>>4428754
It makes me wonder how any artist who draws in black and white can present so much more in his work. Not to say that your art is bad at all but it lacks something that the original artist can do without effort.
Your art is as simple as his but they are vastly different.

>>4428845
best book

>>4428842
Cleaner lines, use of wider range of values from pure black to white rather than having everything be grey, better underlying drawing overall (shapes, proportions).

>>4428842
>without effort
And this is why artists are undervalued.

>>4428554
But the art there is 100 times better than this shithole’s general, retard.

>>4428898
It's bizarre how much better /alt/ knows their shit.

Anime general is full of pinups and copying, but /alt/, I can't say anything negative of how they're practicing.

>>4428991
Really? Any examples? I don't go there much

>>4428691
Yo must be new here.

>>4429045
I don't either, but looking at the first couple images, it looks like these people are actually having fun drawing.

>>4428842
>original artist can do without effort
>Imagine believing this

>>4429060
Fun is overrated, you should just mostly study honestly. I'm heavily regretting how much I focused on my "fun" projects and deliveries for so long right now.

>>4429066
I believe it's very true, depends on how you practice however.

>>4429067
I completely agree, there's still too many people with sub par skills finishing pictures when they could be studying.

>>4429081
>this nigger is STILL going
>>4428991
>he's fucking regressing
holy shit dude go study some vilppu or something for fuck's sake. do you have OCD and feel compelled to do these weird identical armless samefaces? what the fuck

>>4429096
Literal schizo, just ignore him.

>>4429096
I actually think I'm getting better after another break.

>do you have OCD and feel compelled to do these weird identical armless samefaces?
I stop when I'm satisfied when doing it from imagination.

>>4428866
>>4428892
>>4429066
Would you consider this chicken scratch?

>>4429112
I would consider it fap material

>>4429112
Dunno if it's chicken scratch but I always wondered how the fuck can this happens? unless it's done on purpose?

>>4429115
that's the highest praise that exist

>>4429045
You should see /alt/ more often, anon. Especially the last thread.

>>4429139
>that's the highest praise that exist
Is it though? I value different things higher than fapping.
>>4429112
Imho it's not chicken scratch but still your line art looks more like sketch than "proper" line art, unless it is what you are going for then You probably need more control over pen.

>>4429112
when skill and overall execution dramatically outweigh line quality

>>4429159
I'll check it out from now on yeah, thanks.

i don't uderstand anime eyes. Which one is better.

>>4429189
Right, try to copy more of only eyes.

>>4428554
/alt/ is by far the most active general, dumbass.

>>4429189
4k by 4k, next time go for 1.2k resolution

tried it again with some instructions from friend who can actually draw.
Am i in a good path to drawing anime. What i'm asking is if it looks pleasing

>>4429353
Blog? How do I improve fast like you?

>>4429355
you made me laugh. the only advice i could give you is don't listen to my advice

>>4429353
Whoever your friend is, they're very good at teaching because this looks a lot more pleasing than what you had before.

>>4429353
>Am i in a good path to drawing anime. What i'm asking is if it looks pleasing
These are two different goals. Try drawing an anime from another angle.

>>4429375
lmao

>>4429362
What advice did you get then?

>>4429162
It's not my art.
If I could draw even close to this, I wouldn't be here.

I kind of want to learn how to draw so i can draw hentai and get cumbrain bucks

>>4429390
Only kind of? You can try, but don't come crying to mommy.

>>4429381
His words

"anime is all about the eyes, hair, and skull with the body being last because it never changes like anime faces does every generation."


"you need to understand how the head moves and how to place the eyes with it. you also need to understand what eyes you are using because anime has its own rules and placing death note face with moe eyes is not going to work. the skull shape also has it's set of rules"

>can i copy
" Depends on how you copy and if you are learning from it. remember if you pick a style you like it may not clash well with something you learned. Moe won't go with realistic anime.

he said other things but it was mostly don't buy western anime books and that i need to really study eyes and pick an anime-style eye i like. i think i picked moe eyes if >>4429353 is moe

>>4429375
i only had 20 minutes of him explaining stuff to me before he left for work. He said i failed the last picture because i copied eyes i didn't understand it and it looked bad. I agree

>>4429390
Working to work more, do you even know what you're saying?

I think I made the head too big/wide again but I never seem to catch it until I'm far enough in coloring that it would be a pain in the ass to resize and then reconnect everything. And holy shit anime hair is so tricky to shade without experience, more than anything else that leaves me staring at the canvas unable to figure out what do.

>>4429601
I think you draw too broad shoulders.

>>4429601
Get back to those fundies now, kid.

How much time do you spend a day to study fundies, sketches from your own imagination, and copy professionals' art?

>>4429624
I try to get the proportions right in the early phase of construction but I swear things always get out of whack when I start making adjustments. The shoulders were unexpectedly tricky after realizing that resting your chin on your hand requires hunching shoulders (unless maybe you have monkey arms)

>>4429653
Since you're obviously talking to me because everyone just copys in this general.

You should be drawing 100% from imagination, practicing fundies while doing so, and copying how artists draw, not the art its self.

>>4429653
You really have to decide for yourself. We all have our own weaknesses and goals. Why not aim for 30-60 minutes of each one, every day? Time goes by quickly, for good and bad. Just do an arbitrary routine for a month to build a habit and post your work here for review. Once the month is up you can ask yourself the question again and answer it based on the experience and feedback from this place.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analysis_paralysis

>>4429705
Holy fuck that article is so me; I've always just thought of it as OCD. I'm glacially slow at playing vidya (proportionate to how much strategy is involved) and now that I'm doing art I spend so much time looking at guides and references instead of just drawing. Switching to digital helped a bit by letting me ctrl-z so I'm not afraid to draw a line but the paralysis is still there to a degree.

>>4429401
My problem is the fact that i only kind of want to do anything
I never really want to do something. I don't know what i wanna do i guess

>>4429757
You want to shitpost on /ic/ about your own worthlessness in hopes of pity replies

>>4429761
I know that feel. Reminds me of a certain anime I can't remember.

>>4429705
This is 30-45 minutes copying, My first time drawing after for so many years. I really do need to study fundies more instead of just copying aimlessly, well I had that consciousness when copying it this time though, but in the end I just using my instinct and copy until it looks kinda okayish (according to my eyes).

>>4429770
Good, now try doing some imagination work with your anatomy book and anime refs, and quickpose practice from life (30s - 5 min poses). Repeat this process while constantly asking yourself why your work doesn't look like you want it to and you'll improve quickly.

Also if you post a copy you should post the original too, if you're trying to improve. People can give more informed critiques then.

>>4429780
Thanks for the advice! I guess I need to learn some fundies and draw gestures while trying to draw from imagination too.

Also sorry I forgot to post the original. This is from Baccano settei by Takahiro Kishida. Great animator/character designer.

>>4429761
Kind of
Maybe I'm just afraid of committing to things because i dont want to end up like pic related.

>>4429800
>Kind of
kek, just do it. The worst that can happen is you become bad like this. The second worst thing is regret.

>>4429770
>>4429785
If I was to use the reference as practice it would look something like this. It looks much different because very few second is spent copying it.

Anyhow you have to embrace how shitty your imagination drawings are, doing imagination RIGHT NOW is the only way you'll ever get yourself to do it.

>>4429800
Based image, and yeah, there's a high chance you'll end up like that. Drawing is a mess of misinformation.

>>4429800
>Maybe I'm [...]
No you're a classic teenager doing some insincere shitposting for replies. Enjoy your despair in the future

>>4429601
Just so you know, hands should be roughly the size of a person's face, you can use that to get better grasp of how large your head actually is, also helps you avoid baby hands.

>>4429822
I'm literally not though
everything ive said is 100% sincere, and I'm not a teenager either

>>4429839
>I'm literally not though
Even worse

This one is kino enough for a white.png naming.

>>4429800
The average /asg/ poster.

>>4429870
Even the dumb faggots here draw better than that.

>>4429800
>>4429800
Seems like someone is vendetta posting.

>>4429832
I have heard that and was thinking about it when trying to size the hands right, but anime heads are generally bigger than real heads though. Comparing the open hand/face ratio to random images off danbooru it doesn't seem that off (also the character being a fivehead makes the face area feel larger). I did keep feeling like the left hand was too small but then it's also curled up and the perspective should be making it look shorter.
I still think the width is more the issue than the height, I maybe should have made the eyes smaller and narrowed the face. Or maybe I should just start drawing megucas and hidamaris since I always seem to drift towards wideface even back to when I started out copying.

>>4429964
Maybe you just need to make your head taller and the hands bigger. It seems to look fine in this image.

>>4429964
That's fine and all. But you won't know what you're doing wrong with bad fundies.

Some figures after reading some things in anatomy books and Vilppu, I only studied about neck, torso and upper legs at the moment so I tried to focus on locating the muscles in those parts.
I also made some anime figures to not be too boring
>inb4 getting a (you) from the gray sketch tranny

>>4429997
Normally I'd have no reason to reply to someone practicing so whole heartedly, but since you asked and because you're the person who said I should use vilppu, and I can do is laugh after see these drawings.

>>4428668
3 versions of the arm with the most centered one being like 80% opacity and 30-40% on the other two

>>4430009
all I can do is laugh after seeing these drawings*

>>4429997
I especially like that ass one and the Jeanne one. If I may, can I get the ass one in a higher res?

>>4430015
Thanks but are you talking about this one? I did it all on the same layer so this is the best resolution unfortunately

>>4430028
Yes, that's perfect! Thank you a lot. These are so well drawn by you.

>>4430032

>>4430032
Thank you but I'm just grinding figures like that because I'm very dissatisfied with my work from imagination.
The advice I can give you is never copy the reference, analyze it and make your own interpretation and choices.
For example in the region behind the knee, the original artist interpreted the hamstring tendons in a way, while I tried to make my own interpretation based on a Vilppu video.

>>4429770
Another practice, took me more than 1.5 hours to finish copying Tomoaki Takase's settei from his Saenai Animation Book.

>>4430094
original. The book is great. At first, when I was totally ignorant about art I always thought the anime art is inferior to Kurehito Misaki's art. But now looking at Takase's design, he did a great job making simple yet attractive design. As expected from a pro.

is this based or cringe

>>4430105
Based, look up those author names.

>>4430055
>says don't copy
>shows an image of himself copying

>>4430094
>90 minutes to draw some legs

Okay I'm out.

>>4430132
pyw before you go

>>4430132
pls no bully, that was my second attempts at drawing using pen tab and csp. And I haven't drawn anything in 10 years and they were only shitty bleach copy paste face.

>>4430028
it looks like her leg is floating about the other leg, like boobs pressed against a table, try to make her leg feel like it's more like resting on the other leg, it will give a more believable feeling to the pic imo.

also loved the feeling of that girl on the left.

rendering's hard

>>4430105
>>4430109
does someone have it? don't see it in the OP.

first time drawing lewds

>>4429112
That right there is my fetish, or at least half of it. Two chicks with vastly differing physics, the smaller one being cheeky and haughty the bigger one with the better feminine figure meek and a tad bit insecure about her physic and how she was always getting dirty looks from males of all ages since she was young.
Now onto some nitpicking, the gut on the girl on the left seems to me somehow inappropriate. With body fat like that her cheeks should look plumper.

>>4430179
why is she covered in soot

>>4429112
I would call that lazy line, when you don't really care about line quality as long as it still does its job as a line to define shape and forms. You can clearly see, if you check line by line, that the artist didn't put 30 lines in the same spot in most areas of the image, if at all, so it's definitely not chicken scratch.

tried to study without friend today. what do you guys think

>>4431038
I'd place eyes a little close together, look at comparable artists. Also her right hand a little too small imo

>>4431038
where her neck

>>4431049
both shoulders are up and its common in anime to not show it with that pose.

Three little studies, i'm trying to put some value in them too

>>4429112
Not all of it but for some reason the outline of the breasts is serious chicken scratch. It's actually bothering me the more I look at it because it makes them look like the least finished part despite being the focal point

>>4431038
Okay, but when are you gonna spin her around.

>>4431147
I'm thinking he put all his gains in drawing heads.

>>4431159
when i find the button the lets me spin the picture the other way. will get back to you with that

It should be obligatory to include the original reference image with your study

>>4431038
Are those nipples, they seem a little far, usually they’re right under the eyes

>>4431183
In better sites you have the ability to post up to 5 images!

Not that it matters for me when my pictures look 99% different from the original.

>>4431183
>reference

>>4430094
This time I tried to draw from a real model reference. The best I could do in 30 minutes.

>>4431326
No copying, you have to use shapes you understand.

>>4431332
Thanks, what books do you recommend to learn anatomy?

>>4431332
can you post anything but chicken scratch half ass drawings

>>4431336
I work with hampton best myself, but you need to work on using basic shapes first before anatomy.

>>4431346
I don't chicken scratch, and no I can't. I'm learning properly.

first time actually doing anime, trying to learn it so i can do some drawings for a friend of mine.

>>4431558
the next time you do anime will be the first.

>>4431558
Have you ever looked at anime?

>>4431565
What do you mean senpai?
>>4431568
Does ghibli count ?

>>4431558
eyes need anime fixing. everything else is fine but its the eyes that say western anime

>>4431596
Anything in particular I should look at as reference to do it better ?

>>4431604
Its hard to point to eyes you should copy because your style is semi realistic anime western blend. Its not bad but the eyes give it away and is the only reason it's not anime


goggle anime eyes and attach it till you see what sticks with that face

>>4431592
This is 1% ghibli 99% tumblr.

>>4431604
It baffles my mind how you got somewhat decent needing to be spoonfed this much.

Anyhow I recommending watching any anime in existence to get a better idea what anime is.

>>4431596
>everything else is fine
the nose and mouth exist, and that is not okay.

Which anime artstyle are you guys trying to replicate?

>>4431791
>>4428380
What about you?

>>4431794
Not OP, but I already posted it.

>>4431791
>>4429112
This is my goal for now.

>>4431791
Good taste.

Kawaii chibi art, but without the smoothbrain upvote baiting.

>>4432211
Please provide this artist’s twitter link or something PLEASE

>>4432221
Just search the album name gamer.

Does anyone have the mangamaterials mega pdf?

>>4432241
Seriously, what happened to all the material on Pinterest before it got labeled? I don’t know where to find those anymore.

>>4432241
No idea about the pdf, but you can find a shit ton of them on ehentai

What are your goals from day to day? I just recently decided to commit to drawing anime girls and I'd like to use my time wisely in getting better at that.

>>4432730
Me too

>>4432683
thanks bro
https://exhentai.org/g/1439988/6607c46407/

>>4432730
I'm practicing learning figures with stick figures the marvel way.

It's the only method that makes sense to me.

>>4433173
>click on a random page
>get the one that >>4432241 posted
what the FUCK
I wish it was easier to search these things for the ones I need though

>>4433173
Logged in and yet I cant see anything but a white screen.

If you want to grab lot of Ghibli/Ponoc settei reference materials that probably never been published, go follow Hiromasa Yonebayashi on twitter and grab all pic from him

https://twitter.com/MaroYonebayashi/media

You can use this, really easy to use just copy the twitter username you want slash media:
https://github.com/ripmeapp/ripme/wiki/How-To-Run-RipMe

>>4433318
Your account is not old enough, or you haven't clear your cache. Try logging out, clear cache, then log in back in the forum. If you still get the blank screen, then your acc is probably too new. Here, let me help you. The uploader also made a mega folder:
https://mega.nz/#!kOpB3aSQ!NIKdW00HeYvst8-mY2xpSTZKONn1fYpLGIJua9zw6aU

>>4433321
*you haven't cleared your browser's cache

>>4433321
Cleared cache and still white screen so bless you for the mega file anon.

I wish I had more time to draw

>>4433397
Your wish was already granted when you cursed the world with corona. Fucking monkey's paw.

>>4433400
no because the company ordered us to work from home and make hourly reports of output

some anon asked about taking notes when studying so i created an example study. it's basically writing down your internal monologue and keeping record of those moments when things click. obvious answer, but i just wanted to promote taking notes in your studies. it forces you to pay attention to what you're putting on the page and keeps you away from mindless doodling.

>>4433407
>anon, we're going over your reports and can't figure out what this "anime girls drawn" column means

>>4430105
>>4430186
This, does anyone have a file somewhere?

>>4433494
Yes

>>4430105
It's shit. Its not even top 5 how to draw manga book...

>>4433601
I have and I like it enough. What's your top 5?

>>4433616

The 3 books made by hitokaku are at the top.

Then the 5 books made by Tadashi osawa because they are a goldmine of poses and perspective.

Date Naoto, and "How to draw Moe" get honorable mentions.

>>4433446

>>4433632
Do you have links?

>>4433446
I really like your style, thanks for sharing.

>>4433684
All are in the OP.

>>4428380
Is cafekun a good artist?

Going to do some kyoani head copies until I understand moe.

>>4434099
Lookin' kinda rough there bro.
Overlay your copy onto the reference to see where your mistakes are.

How true is this image /asg/?

>>4434135
Incredibly based

>>4434135
This. This is literally me... on the right side.

>>4434135
Do asians even say this? I figured this is more of cope thing western beginners do when they can't learn how to draw anime within a month.
As a riceanon myself I think westerners can add a lot to the anime scene. I mean, doesn't Japan already hire certain westerners in their studios because of their adept background, animation, and character designs?

>>4434205
This. This is literally me... on the left side.

>>4434054
?

>>4434135
It's false. People who say that aren't asian, they're low skill westerners/whites

>>4434054
>https://twitter.com/cafekunweb
ANSWER ME!

>>4434121
>>4434099
this.

there's no problem in tracing and then putting the traced over drawing over your's, then you'll see things like "oh, made the cheeks too narrow, eyes not aligned" etc

>>4434135
fixed

>>4434393
based

>>4434099
Apart from the cheek being too high, I think you did pretty well.

>>4434379
Average smut artist.

>>4434135
The left side unironically wear the glasses and are lanklets. Why do they keep trying to make fake anime?

Is it an okay idea to study art fundamentals and such while basing it on a certain subject? Like learning to draw a waifu through making mistakes and researching how to fix it and practice that?

>>4434717
>should i build my pc and start from anywhere? hahaha

>>4434717
It's one of the best ideas, a simple anime girl is a dummy with anatomy and facial symbols that you like. You can draw the anime girl (dummy) in all kinds of situations, with all kinds of backgrounds and different types of lighting. You can practice design and drapery with the anime girl, and you can draw her with different lens settings, from fisheye to ortho. You could use the same character from /beg/ to master level, more or less

I have a stupid question, when the mangaka is drawing, does he keep making the basic structure of each character every time or eventually they just draw it?

>>4433446
You mostly end up mindless doodling if you're listening to words from songs or podcasts. Those are progress killers.

>>4434717
It's the optimal way, even better when compared with digital, where you can just test over and over again what works and what doesn't quickly.

>>4434868
A pro will get the pose mostly right first time, but will fix it up afterwards to make it presentable.

>>4434782
>>4434886
Well thats cool to hear. I've gather many fundamental books but have a rough time getting the will or interest to study thee stuff. Figured if I anchored my studies alongside drawing a character, it would get me to get to drawing more. Not necessarily anime but I'm thinking of studying Sorceress from Dragons Crown first.

I just gotta make sure I change character every so often...

>>4434868
there's a few mangaka that have videos of them working youtube. they tend go simple storyboard > rough with varying amounts of construction > final version on a new layer or traced/inked onto a new sheet

https://www.youtube.com/user/minorukara/videos akihito tsukushi
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCeySBnV71dyC-gwqapq9NwQ/videos akihito yoshitomi
https://www.youtube.com/user/yoshikadu2011/videos yoshikazu hamada
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXg1pcBb1Ldkb5qEbqIzEzw/videos yusuke murata
anybody know any other ones?

I found these videos, do you guys think they are a good start for a beginner who don't want to follow books?
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHfNfHFxZEU
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko3Zaw8zffk

>>4434947
thanks

>>4435169
absolute beginner here, would you recommend mikey mega mega for a complete newbee?

I'm a beekeeper by trade, been wanting to draw animu in a long time, was never trained in art.

>>4435175
>absolute beginner here
I'm one too but I think his face tutorial looks good, I just don't know if it can be better than the books from the mega.

>>4435169
If there's someone who can help and say which one looks better it will help me a lot.

>>4435175
>>4435186
No. Avoid YouTube tutorials like the plague.

The only anime oriented channel I recommend is Pin2d

There are other good art channels but that aren’t about anime style. Like Proko who is more of an atelier artist.

Try Drawing comics the marvel way. It’s one of the best starting points.

>>4435169
Go for pin 2d. Mikey mega mega is trash,

>>4435169
Mikey is the best. Clear and straight to the point. You want to draw big tiddie sexy anime waifus.

>>4435196
Killing the competition from the start. I feel bad for the anons that will listen to this. Mikey at bests teaches how to draw some bases like him which you can just skip at the end and copy instead of wasting 40 minutes.

Just don’t say I didn’t warn you.

>>4435169
>>4435175
>>4435186
>>4435187
Pin 2d looks pretty solid, but I recommend trying to not look for the perfect tutorial and just draw.

>>4435200
>just skip at the end and copy
You're literally doing the same thing.

>>4435205
Projecting much?

No I am not.

Pin2d actually has useful information through all video so it’s not a good idea to skip it.

>>4435200
>>4434717
>>4431558
/asg/

>>4435169
>>4435175
>>4435188
youtube is fine, anime specific tutorials are not (this also applies beyond youtube)

Marco Bucci
FZD
Moderndayjames
Proko
James Gurney
etc. the list goes on

just alternate drawing w/e style you like with life drawing and reading artbook + videos if youre not a pussy anyways

>>4435188
this

>>4435214
>>4435211
>>4435205

Thank you!

How?

>>4435239
Autism, and a lot of form and mechanical skill fundies.

>>4435239
Not the same artist, but you should watch how Yoneyama Mai draws and paints her drawing
http://youtu.be/nbdqH4_c8DM

>>4429653
I am a newfag whats fundies? this words eludes me since its not in the pastebin

>>4435335
Fundies is short for the fundamentals. What are the fundamentals? This podcast helped elucidate it for me. https://youtu.be/6Aplx3ETh6U

>>4435338
Yes. Proko good. consoom 35 minute podcast to barely understand what fundies are.

You can only understand fundies, when you put them in practice.

>>4435371
Says the guy that just copies anime,

>>4435406
Nice projection friend. But that's /asg/'s signature trait, I'm not a part of it.

>>4435169
>for a beginner who don't want to follow books?
never gonna make it

>>4429601
The head is way too wide. It’s completely unappealing. Just resize it or save it as a before image for if you eventually learn to draw well

>>4428842
>It makes me wonder how any artist who draws in black and white can present so much more in his work
Time and effort.

>>4428842
>that the original artist can do without effort.
Lol, I guarantee most of his drawings took at least an hour, which I would say qualifies as taking a bit of effort.
>Your art is as simple as his but they are vastly different.
Mizuryu Kei has almost certainly been drawing for much, much longer than this random anon.

Also you posted an inked drawing vs a pencil imitation job.

>>4435371
blog? I really like your art

>>4435371
your art is KINO

>>4435169
>who don't want to follow books?

>NGMI

90% of the best info is in books.

>>4435954
pyw

>>4435954
manga are books. so you are correct

>>4436083
Post yours Mikey mega mega shill.

>>4429688
Why the hell should anyone take your advice when you do nothing but post the same identical /beg/ scribbles over and over.
Sorry, I told myself I wouldn't reply to you because I know you're mentally ill, can't stop myself from getting baited sometimes.

>>4435722
I'll post it when I'm out of the grind.

>>4436108
I know what I'm doing, but it's up to the person to filter what information is good.

Copyfags like yourself are unable to understand what real practice looks like. You have no idea what I'm practicing right now, you can't comprehend it. You look at scribbles, and you have no idea how it would help you get better, all you understand is bright colors and big breasts, and that's it.

>>4436116
What is there to "imagine" in your sketches ? It's the same 3/4 view generic haircut, staring blankly no anatomy portrait drawing.

>no shape design
>no clothe design
>no facial features
>no facial expressions
>no interesting haircut

You are showing me that you have nothing saved in you visual library. You can't combine anything cause you don't know anything. Basically you can't imagine shit.

You are the perfect example of why people should study real life and other art in order to build something worthwhile.

>>4436116
You are severely mentally ill.

>>4436128
I'm at a low level, It's hard for me to draw a circle properly, when I can't even understand how a head is drawn, how can I even bare to work on expressions or clothes.

I'm drawing these all from imagination, in under 30 seconds, if even. Shouldn't it be no shit they're not a perfect anime panel. When I've only got a couple months in practice.

I'll get to think about more shit as I draw more, that's how it is. Don't expect shitting kinos out when I've just started.

>>4436146
Wow, an actual response.
Ok, so you're saying you're pretty new and low level. Nothing wrong with that. But, being a beginner, why are you so sure that your approach to learning and practice is the correct one? Considering that you admit that you don't yet have the skills to prove that your practice routine worked for you. Why are you so sure that copying can't also be a helpful tool for learning?

>>4436160
Just because I'm a /beg/ doesn't mean I'm a retard. Anyone with a brains looks at your tribes drawings, and can see you have no idea what you're doing.

and I'll believe so till, I'm proven wrong. One second in /alt/ and I see a kino.

>>4436146
>I'm drawing these all from imagination, in under 30 seconds
i sure fucking hope you guys don't do this

>>4436175
/alt/ isn't a practice methodology. Also a lot of those people are still /beg/ level.
Basing your study on fundies/construction is one thing. But I don't know anyone who recommends that you practice by drawing identical 30 second sketches for months.

>>4436181
Basing your whole general on practicing wrong, it's crazy world. The cult leader here is a genius.

>But I don't know anyone who recommends that you practice by drawing identical 30 second sketches for months.

You guys want to draw pin up art based a 3d digital doll in a decade. I want to draw cool drawings NOW. Of course my drawings include fundies and construction when I need them to as well.

>>4436181
Pyw

>>4436099
>no u
KEK

>>4436225
pyw

>>4436216
I'm not much better than grey-sketch-kun. But I'm also not claiming that I know the one true way to practice and shitting on everyone else. He is.

>>4436201
>I want to draw cool drawings NOW
I got some bad news for you buddy

>>4436235
pyw

>>4436240
pyw

>>4436201
I think your oekaki mindset is good and in the right track, and I actually agree a lot of artists here have a bad mindset when it comes to drawing leading to some really stiff and soulless results. But the problem is that you're just drawing too much of the same stuff.

You need to start drawing something different. A different pose, actually drawing the hand, some clothes, whatever. You can still keep the constructive/imagination mindset, but just try drawing something new. And possibly spend a little but more time in your drawings.

Look up jusjusojus if you want some inspo for this style. The drawpari server also has a lot of nice artists with this mindset.

>>4436235
Well, when you realize when I draw what I want reasonably in a couple of seconds, and I think it's the coolest shit ever. You're gonna be upset.

>>4436243
pyw

>>4436229
>>4436240
>>4436243
>>4436263
Since no one post their work when asked too, this proves that grey sketch kun is the best artist in this thread.

>>4436252
>actually agree a lot of artists here have a bad mindset when it comes to drawing leading to some really stiff and soulless results
Can you expand on this? I think I might agree but I'm curious what you mean.

>>4436252
Somewhat agree, I think accuracy helps to improve other fundies. So I'm fine drawing the same shit for now. Jusjusojus seems good though.

>>4428380
>(Steve Huston) Figure Drawing for Artists: Making Every Mark Count + New Master's Academy Videos
These links are kill, does anyone have the downloads?

>>4436272
They're not drawing with fundies, but they think they are because they watched a podcast from proko.

>>4436342
Try the links here for the book: http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=4181F45A9F686A3802F9B9B56AA0BE63

The rest of the links are still working.

>>4436390
Thank you

How you guys have the motivation to start/keep drawing? I want to draw but I just can't do it...

>>4436372
You aren't drawing with fundies either you idiot.
If you want to learn fundies there's a lot of resources for that, Loomis, Vilppu, Robertson, drawabox. Drawing a million 30 second anime faces is not fundies. Where the hell are the fundies in your sketches?

>>4436486
I get kicks when I manage to draw something above or around my skill ceiling

>>4436492
Construction, lines, anatomy, intuition. It really hurts you when someone doesn't appreciate your idols doesn't it. Muh drawing culture and legacy, lol dude.

>>4436503
Ok I'm back to thinking you're a literal schizo.
I'll let people decide for themselves if you're practicing "construction, line, anatomy, intuition".

>>4436372
I don't recommend learning like that. Pic related is my work.

>>4436513
Pretty sure he's just a very dedicated shitposter.
Kinda sad to think he'd rather waste his time shitposting with these drawings instead of actually learning how to draw.

>>4436486
by making it convenient. easier to get reps in if you've got paper and pencil on a clipboard right next to you to pick up whenver you get the urge.

>>4436520
This shit poster is better than most of the anons who don’t post their work sadly.

>>4436517
do you mind if i go for a redline

>>4436532
in the land of the blind...

>>4436517
We have the similar skill level though, what do you mean?

>>4436532
I'll repost this:

"Fundamentals before anime" is a kind of sequential thinking that creates artists who simply can't draw anime. You can use anime to study your fundamentals. They aren't mutually exclusive. You can also study realism and anime simultaneously.

Pic related is from the foreword of that popular アニメ私塾 book by a guy in the Japanese anime industry. See the triangle?
>上手い絵の模写: 上手い人の絵の記号(絵のパターン)を手に入れる
>Copying good drawings: acquiring the symbols of skilled people's drawings (the patterns of the drawings)
>実物の線画化:実物を理解することで、上手い人の絵が理解できる
>Real life drawing: by understanding real life, we can understand skilled people's drawings
>創作活動全般: 落書きや作品制作
>General original creation: sketching, complete OC works etc

Quote from the foreword:
>こうして、学生時代は「自主制作アニメを作る」「上手い絵の模写」「実物の線画化」のトライアングルを繰り返すことで劇的に上達していき、絵を描き始めてからわずか3年でスタジオジブリの入社試験に合格することができました。
>In this way, I made extreme progress during my school years by repeating a triangle of doing my own original anime drawings, copies of good drawings, and life drawings, and only 3 years after picking up drawing I was able to pass Studio Ghibli's employment test.

He was 19 when he started drawing.

Pic related also shows drawings from before he started practising deliberate copying as well as his original anime drawings from ~2 years after that.

Here's a link to a blog post with where he raves about the efficacy of copying
http://animesijyuku.blogspot.com/2018/05/blog-post_73.html

>>4436503
replying to you is a mistake, i know that but, instead of posting all those shitty sketchs why dont you post some finished work?

>>4436532
how do you know that? maybe the people that are really trying to improve dont post their work in this shithole because of people like grey sketch fag and others shitposters

>>4436543
Anon are you retarded? When was this about anatomy or copying? Grey sketch kun is willing to post his shit unlike most of the retards on here.

>>4436556
>>4436557

>>4436557
>When was this about anatomy or copying?
The issue is that he posts low quality drawings while categorically denouncing copying. If you look at Japanese industry people, most will have started with and/or recommend copying superior artists as a _part_ of their studies.

>Grey sketch kun is willing to post his shit unlike most of the retards on here.
What's your point?

>>4436543
Imagine the face on a copyfag, when he realizes the shitposter was actually just not a shitposter only.

>>4436550
don't negotiate with terrorists

>>4436550
They are finished.

>>4436583
r/delusionalartists

>>4436595
pyw

>>4436603

tried again. wanna move on but i want to at least get the face placement correct and eyes anime attractive. i also need to study hair

>>4436556
or because they are worse than him

>>4436564
pyw

>>4436538
go ahead

>>4436536
go ahead

>>4436634

>>4436622
Try using a ref of an anime head in front view.

>>4436622
If you made the braincase a little bit taller, cheeks a little less puffy, and eyes a little down and inward, you'd be golden imo

Shading hair is so freaking random.

>>4436647

The captcha on this website is so freaking ass actually..
Anyhow, something I drew a while ago. What did I fuck up the most? I know the arms are a mess but I couldn't be bothered to fix them properly so I just left it like that.

>>4436690
you fucked up the concept the most

>>4436543
This board (and the rest of the internet) is infested with retards who don't realize that copying is LITERALLY how the vast majority of japanese anime artists learn how to draw.
All because of that deep-ingrained fear of "plagiarism" that's been so common in art communities, with retarded artists whining about how 2 characters sharing the same pose is literally "stealing" their artwork.

Art itself is derivative. Almost every art is derivative of what came before it.
Copying the art you like is a natural part of learning how to draw.

>>4436691
Should have read the thread properly, my bad. How the hell do you guys deal with filling out 20 captchas for 1 reply nowadays? What the fuck.

>>4436634
Pyw

>>4436703
source? does this go into the history of manga in general? seems interesting

>>4436714

>>4436731
It's from "Even a monkey can draw manga", by the same guys who made the Mario Bros comic from Nintendo Power.
>does this go into the history of manga in general?
Not really. It includes bits of manga history, but is mostly to illustrate an specific topic.
The whole book is a parody on how-to-draw books but it includes actual info on how to create manga.
The english version is incomplete tho.

>>4436741
Thanks for posting my work.

>>4436682
I was trying to draw her.

>>4436703
>"manga is the language of symbols"
>manga is just symbol drawing
CONSTRUCTIONFAGS BTFO

>>4436662
Oh and I forgot a couple notes: note how I made the neck a bit thicker and also sloped it differently (look at anime refs). I also forgot to redraw her pupils.

Btw I tried moving her head down slightly in this color version, her neck was a bit too long.

>>4436703
Agreed

>>4436703
Stealing is different from copying. Copying is retarded, stealing is easy gains.

>>4436758
any drawing from imagination is a symbol drawing.
construction is only used to place the symbols correctly.

>>4436662
i tried to fix it up. Had to do it a little face and can't really copy your style but how is it. Little to tired so will practice more on Saturday


also eyes
left or right?

>>4436771
I like right one better.

>>4436771
Isn't the neck kind of super long?

>>4436777
The issue is more that the neck goes from thick to thin back to thick, which gives it a very stretched out look.
He should make the top 2/3rd of the neck almost completely straight and then curve the line as it attached to the torso.

>>4436777
yes sadly i didn't find out till now

>>4436759
was about to sleep but i released something and it jolted me up. How you learn to draw hair-like that

>>4436755
>my work
??

>>4436806
Hair is probably my weakest area, man. Copy/study godlike anime animators and illustrators, analyze what they do. You should get a pixiv btw, I'd follow you. And buy a tablet when you can get one.

https://www.sakugabooru.com/
https://www.pixiv.net/

>>4436816
something else i learned from your drawing was i made the eyes to big. i shrunk it down and it looks better.

>>4436829
Mm, I never consciously made the eyes smaller. I think the original eye size was mostly ok. I moved the eyes down and inward though. And made the neck shorter and changed the slope of it. Those are extremely important and pretty much universal.

>>4436756
feel the form

>>4436923
Blog?

>>4436252
Imamura is god. I really want to imitate his style but then again he's really experienced animator so he probably draws thousands of picture a month during his day as newbie animator. Also getting corrected by someone who's more experienced is the best way to learn.

Although I still don't know why he followed me on twitter even though I barely draw lol.

>>4436944
I'm curous, please post your work. Just a quick sketch would be ok

>>4436951
I said I barely draw this is me trying to copy Takase's work >>4430094
I just started drawing like few days ago. Now I'm reading Vilppu's book, copying a lot of different poses from the pose reference books in the MEGA link, copying the art of animator I like (Kishida, Imamura, Takase).

>>4436959
Well, nice. I'm jelly, good luck.

>>4436964
Maybe because I just talk about animation a lot. In my opinion. this guy is one of the best Imamura's follower
https://twitter.com/saku_pjs/
His art is clearly inspired by him and Kishida. And he just recently made his debut as animator/animation supervisor.

By the way, Imamura recently made a twitter poll asking people whether they're interested to back up a crowdfunding for his ero manga project or not. The goal is around 1 million to 1.5 million Yen (9,000 to 14,000 USD) and the production takes 3 months to finish.

https://twitter.com/jusjusojus/status/1239777355075182592

I'm totally up for this, since I barely find Imamura's books out there.

Yonebayashi's drawing time lapse.

https://twitter.com/MaroYonebayashi/status/1241041531328278530

>>4436923

>>4436923
forgot to resize

>>4436711
Not him but I use 4chanX and captcha buster

>>4436252
This dude has so few actually useful sketches without any major perspective on twitter.

>>4436934
@RanForestRen

Should I open request (to start posting more frecuently( despite having less than 200 followers?

>>4437192
You do you. The follower number doesnt matter, interaction does. If people have requests/commissions, take em.

>>4437173
I like your hopeless image.

Does anyone else also learn from redlining/tracing pro's artist? I feel like it might help me understand how they draw with this method. Although perhaps I shouldn't do this too often and compose my own pose/drawing with the knowledge I acquired.

>>4437400
original pic

>>4437400
>>4437402
Now try drawing that at a different angle, kyuu.

>>4437432
I'm too /beg/ to do that, but thanks for the suggestion.

>>4437400
a better way is to redline original to find good construction lines, and then use that marked up version as your reference.
breaks the mental work up into more managable steps.

>>4436754
gotcha, thank you

>>4436703
Based.

>entire thread centered around one idea
>resources copy pasted for months on end in every op explaining what to do
>underage b&s still come in and argue about what they need to do

Sent from my iPad Pro 12.9 with Apple pencil

>>4436703
I'm beg as fuck and still grinding FWAP because I tried copying some animu first things first and couldn't even grasp the basic shapes of the head, my brain literally couldn't comprehend it, so I through studying some basics first and then copying once I understand how a head is formed would make more sense, would it?

>>4428380
drawing is boring

>>4435205
>>4434886
stfu greyfag you literally haven't made any progress at all yet you keep lecturing others.

>>4437745
yes, critique is where the real fun is

>>4437752
pyw

>>4437788
post your critique

>>4436764
Stealing is literally no gains since you're just tracing.
With copying you're internalizing the shapes and forms.

>>4437740
yes. you need to start with that simpler stuff because your hand-brain-eye coordination starts at zero.
you should also try some block-in style copying to help get a feel for the shapes. pic related is from the end of fwap, but there's more detailed explanations elsewhere.

You may ask why I didn't bother cleaning the lines or really anything. The reason being I'm complete dog shit.

>>4438534
You can actually draw good? I'm impressed grey anon.

>>4438537
I can kinda render too but I'm still not at the level I want to be at.

>>4438534
Split your gains bro, spending too much on head frontals.

>>4438537
That you think this guy is good, or at least better than me is something else.

>>4438548
This is literally the only time i've posted here in like 3 months lmfao.

>>4438550
Well I'm gonna prove I can draw sometime.

found a artstyle i found in a book i fallen in love with and want to copy. whats the best way to learn it. i tried to copy the eyes and used another style that i saw instead of how i used it normally. how is it

right is style i want to copy

>>4438842
Well I can tell you, if you keep drawing the same frontal pose over and over, you won't make progress where you want to.

You want to make girls out of basic shapes for optimal gains. All fundies will help with copying art styles.

>>4438861
i'm going to draw different poses just for you anon

>>4438866
I want to see those gains.

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