/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

He's selling you a book, dumb nigga, of course he's gonna be flattering.

>>4434355
And you are trying to kill competition. You aren't exactly impartial.

What the fuck do people think is so magical about the anime style anyways? It should be easier for most, its a simplified art form used to shorten drawing and animation time.

Post successful non-asian manga artists.

>>4434364
Simplification is harder than full-blown rendered realism in a lot of ways.

>Tadashi Osawa
Literally who?

>>4434374
https://lmgtfy.com/?q=tadashi+ozawa

>>https://lmgtfy.com/?q=tadashi+ozawa

>>4434368
its getting an anime soon

>>4434364
Weebs with self-defeating mindsets tell themselves they can't draw anime because they aren't Japanese, because it's easier to accept that than to accept they can't draw anime because they lack skill

>>4434382
not successful

>>4434386
Moving the goalpost.

>>4434386
Proof?

>>4434382
>>4434386

there is already 20 or so episode I think
and this manfra is selling well in france and in japan ( the author got approched by Kodansha and Shueisha to make a new manga no fucking gaijin got this opportunity before ) fuck other market and fuck US market to be specific.

>>4434386
What about Tim, he may not be a "successful mangaka" but he has 150k followers on twitter
https://twitter.com/timbougami

>>4434386

>>4434386
Thought so, retard.

>>4434353
I can't believe Tadashi Osawa browses /ic/

>>4434442
People have had this fear before 4chan even existed

>>4434404
Filipe Smith was published in a Kodansha mag in 2008, so Tony certainly isn't the first gaijin to make it in nippon.

>>4434353
>you don't need Asian dna to draw anime
NO FUCKING SHIT.

Are there people really moronic enough to believe that? There are literally non-Japanese animators and character designers working in the anime industry right now. You'd have to be hopelessly dogshit at drawing to blame it on genetics

>>4435113
>Are there people really moronic enough to believe that?

Newfag detected. But, yes they do. People make threads and comments claiming that all the time.

>>4435113
You must be new here cause that’s what more than half of the retards in this shithole think.

>>4435128
>>4435118
>People make threads and comments claiming that all the time.
and they're given attention why exactly?

>>4435134
This is 4chan.

>>4435088
Tons of westerners have been published in Japanese magazines. However, there’s a difference between getting published in any of the 1000s of manga magazines in Japan, and actually being among the top 100 guys.

>>4435144
who gives a shit. As long as they can draw who cares.

>>4434353
how can he be so sure?
there aren't any successfull non-asian manga artists

>>4435165
because he taught them,

>>4435165
the fuck does industry success have anything to do with it. That's not indicative of skill, it's about being able to actually draw. There are thousands of unsuccessful Japanese manga artists.

>>4435165
because your idea of sucess is delusional?

>>4435171
>>4435172
art is 100% subjective. the only reasonable measure is the monetary value that the market gives to your work, not what any circle of clueless critics says

>>4435190
That monetary worth is the ultimate measure of success is also another subjective opinion

>>4435157
I care? But not cause of the “westerners can’t draw anime” meme.

I’m actually interested in the source to the claims here >>4434404
>the author got approched by Kodansha and Shueisha to make a new manga

>>4435194
no, see "subjective" refers to one individual opinions, like yours or mine, "objective" means independent of individual opinions, like the market, or the climate

>>4435209
The market is objective. The value you give it as a measure of success is your opinion aka subjective

>>4435190
that still has no indication on whether or not a western born artist is actual capable of drawing or animating anime well. Why are you moving goal posts? It's like you're trying to have an argument with someone else entirely

>>4435236
Bahi JD is from Austria
https://youtu.be/AqThGaK5Zx4

Drawing is like language; unless you start really young, you'll forever have a noticeable accent.

But these "accents" are not so clear when it comes to visual art. It is based in a whole sum of cultural influences that we don't have names for.

Also you can definitely work on improving your accent and getting very convincing, to the point where all foreigners will listen to you and think you're a native, but there will generally always be that little something that feels off to a native speaker.

>>4434364
>it's easier
Found the beginner. Realism is definitely easier.

>>4435165

>>4434382
>>4435789
>inb4 n-no its not

>>4435789
Is that the same template as this one?
Where is that from?

i want to see comments from other mangaka or animators in the industry that isn't catering to a book spent on how to draw anime

Way easier to make it as a foreign animator than mangaka

>>4437229
Probably because mangaka tend to be the ones writing their stories, and there's a culture gap that makes it harder for western writers to break into that market.

Filipe Smith talked about how he would have long meeting with his editor about the content of his manga, and Araki mentions it in his book too. You can have the raw skill and ability to make a manga, but unless it has enough appeal to a Japanese audience it won't be published, and that culture gap makes it harder.

Whereas for animation you just have to be able to draw, on demand, and fast.