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4414115 No.4414115 [Reply] [Original]

why is it so painfully obvious to tell when a western tries to draw anime? like seriously this question has been bugging me for years, I study loomis, proportions, anatomy etc yet some jap on discord or twitter who claims to have only copied mangaka they like can draw anime with ease and make it look and feel like manga. This is just makes me so unmotivated and makes me want to give up. Sorry just had to get this off my chest.

>> No.4414119

Asian genes.

>> No.4414122

Your drawing skill is too low and you haven't studied enough of the anime artists that you want your stuff to look like

>> No.4414137

>>4414115
Not this shit again
Fuck you kill yourself piece of cumgobbling shit

>> No.4414138

>>4414119
I'm starting to think that's the case
>>4414122
I spend 6-7 hours a day studying and draw. I live off welfare all I do is draw.. I've study hundreds of mangaka I like, but I didn't copy their work. I wasted my time drawing heads and body parts.

>> No.4414143

>>4414138
>I spend 6-7 hours a day studying and draw.
What's your point? If you want to tell me I'm wrong, post your work. You are bad/mediocre at drawing, for sure.

>> No.4414147

>>4414115
I have thinking about it. Maybe it is because while you and i see manga/anime only in a limited time per day,hey see it fucking everywhere. At the mall, at the subway, in the stores, even the fucking food has some anime shit in the package, and thus what works and what doesn't is in their subconcious already, they don't have to think about it like you and me.

Or you know, maybe it's just asian genes.

>> No.4414152

They haven't immersed themselves in Asian culture or don't have Asian art friends they can study with.

A buddy of mine was lucky enough to have Asian roommates in college who also liked drawing as a hobby. On the weekends they'd get together and study fundies/artstyles and hone their skills. His university also had a large Asian international student population, and they'd even host art festivals/anime cons there (with mostly Asian attendees).
Before anyone mentions corona-chan, he graduated years ago and hasn't been in physical contact with his roommates since.

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>>4414115
Which of these were made by east/westerners?

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4414292

>>4414115
And what about these ones?

>> No.4414335

>>4414152
Story that was on a great start to a terrible ending. He didn’t make it, it seems.

>> No.4414392
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4414392

>yet ANOTHER east vs west poster

FUCK
OFF

>> No.4414394

>>4414115
trick question. You notice the painfully obvious ones by definition. How would you know there aren't plenty of non-obvious ones?

The reason for you personally is because you're bad.

>> No.4414398

>>4414115
Without seeing your art there are only two pieces of wisdom I can offer you. I don't know which one is true for you.
The first is that your art is fine. You simply associated your art with yourself, and yourself with the west.
The second. Your mind is preoccupied with being anime instead of making good art. Focusing on replicating a style without understanding the intent and choices will lead to nothing. Focus on making something that looks good first and foremost. As you grow to understand the choices being made you will be able to vary your style. Otherwise you will forever be second rate, since if you don't understand what lies beneath the style you do not have the shoulder room to do as you please with it.

>> No.4414416

>>4414292
source for twin-braid on line paper in the lower right?

>> No.4414422

>>4414292
None of those look western, they just all look amateurish.

>> No.4414451

>>4414422
Now put OP's or any /beg/ works in there too.
>Why my art doesn't look like some work from a professional japanese artist?
The right question would be why my art looks amateur compared to a professional, independent of region.

>> No.4414454

>>4414288
I really like top middle, the two next to it and the two under it. Shame It's hard to source these images.

>> No.4414459

>>4414335
Yeah, he was actually going to uni to become a STEMfag and only studied art part-time to see if he could make it.

Even though he ended up being able to draw very eastern-looking anime art, he went full STEMfag and doesn't seem to draw much these days. It's kind of sad he chose that path, he had a very promising gmi path, but I guess he liked STEMshit more.

>> No.4414637

OP should kill himself instead of making these shit threads.

>> No.4414769

drawing heads and body parts all day isn't going to teach to draw anime. Just copy as much as possible until you find your own style. You don't need LOOMIS or any of that BS. The biggest redpill loomisniggers refuse to swallow is that japs learn without fundies and it infuriates them

>> No.4414771

western niggers can't help but to add some realism to their animay drawing, especially nose. Some that manage to control their urge will make it.

>> No.4414774

>>4414771
the most truthful post in the thread, westcucks can't make it because they are too prideful to completely drop everything they learnt in realism 101 to go full anime so they insist to add their personal flavor of disgusting potato noses into anime and fucks everything up.

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4414811

>>4414771
>>4414774
>tfw western piggu
>tfw didn't even like realism to begin with
>tfw started out as a pretentious abstract-artfag
>didn't even draw humans or faces, just abstract figures that suggested them
>tfw get into anime and find out its 99% abstraction of the human face/figure
>tfw learned how to draw Jap-level animu 1000x faster than realism cucks
Feels good to be a pretentious faggot for once.

>> No.4414816

>>4414771
unironically based redpilled

>> No.4414859

>>4414811
Can we see an example? I'm curious

>> No.4414876

>>4414115
It's just survivorship bias. If a western artist draws authentic anime art, you'd most likely assume that they're asian unless you know otherwise. If their art doesn't pass as eastern, then it's obvious that they're western.

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4414877

>>4414771
>>4414774
>>4414811
>be self-taught weebfaggot for 20 years
>go to art school
>can't help but make dot/line noses
>go full JOJO unintentionally when they ask for more detail

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>>4414859
I don't have access to my older stuff at the moment (was mostly tradfag stuff that got put in storage), but it looked very similar to pic related. Sometimes I'd use blocks of color to achieve the same effect.
I'd also rather not post my animu art here since I'm still refining it, but maybe one day.

>> No.4414944

>>4414914
You're anonymous here, nothing to really lose by no posting it now honestly

>> No.4414948

>>4414944
And have it immortalized in the archive? No nigga.

>> No.4414951

>>4414948
i miss the pre-archive 4chan days where you were literally just shitposting into the wind

>> No.4414958

>>4414115
They draw white people while Japs draw Japs.

>> No.4414962

>>4414951
#MeToo

>> No.4414999

>>4414115
>this fucking thread again
Shut the fuck up please shut the fuck up

>> No.4415003

>>4414999
Based and checked.

>> No.4415062

pyw

>> No.4415074
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4415074

i agree, western can't draw anime. It literally comes down to genetics.

>> No.4415080

>>4414288
It all looks like pervy White shit. Even if Japanese, I’m sure it was made for pervy White coomer bux.

>> No.4415084

>>4414292
All terrible.

>> No.4415086

Whenever I see a thread like this I feel like I am being bullied

>> No.4415093

>>4414948
You're literally anonymous, anon. Just admit you're bluffing or something..
I'm just genuinely wondering cause I just use Loomis method for drawing the heads, and I'm not sure what you mean by your method

>> No.4415114

There a few western foreign people working in the animation industry in Japan. They wouldn't get their jobs if it was too painfully obvious to tell when a western tries to draw anime.
No genes, just hardwork. Now get back to your grinding instead of opening another western can't draw muh animu.

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>>4414115
Have you ever seen how art class in asia works?
In order to create appealing anime art you gotta have mastered naturalism first.

>> No.4415276

>>4414115
I'm starting to think it has to do with upbringing now. I'm an Asian and people commission me for the "authentic anime look" and other than the usual "they observe better, they work harder, blah blah" here's a shitpost if it helps you sleep at night. As a young girl we're highly critical of looks, one girl in our class we called monkey. Another one we made fun of for her fish eyes or dead lips. On plastic surgery review apps, you see the same terminology and standard of beauty. If you want a conspiracy like shit post, this is the only other thing I can offer. We made fun of monkey until eventually she got plastic surgery but you can see in her art how careful she was to avoid making her anime girls have a monkey face.

>> No.4415294

>>4414115
It's a cultural thing. The west is phatlogically insecure. So western artists like to do post-ironic shit when they draw anime. They dont take it seriously.
Japan and asia in general has no concept of post-irony and deconstructivism in the western sense, so they can do anime as intended without fucking themselves over by being too self aware of drawing anime.

>> No.4415314

>>4415294
This makes me feel better

>> No.4415329

>>4415294
Have you seen Crayon Shinchan?

>> No.4415382

>>4414138
> I live off welfare all I do is draw.

The unspoken reality, keep grinding senpai were all gonna make it

>> No.4415388

>>4414138
>I live off welfare
>i'm a failure for one reason or the other
Explains why you can't become a good artist.

PYW.

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4415455

>>4414115
80% of Asians are programmed to be slim and like slimness.
Thus they draw slim.

>> No.4415631

>>4415093
I have a right not to want to post my work. In fact, why should I share my secrets with plebs who unironically use le Loomis?

>> No.4415635

>>4415631
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, ngmi

>> No.4415648

>>4415635
>t. assmad pleb who fell for the Loomis meme
Oh no, I didn't post my work on a chinese message board, what will Loomis think?!

>> No.4415660

>>4415631
Just sketch something up. Shouldn't take you 10 minutes if you're half as competent as you claim

>inb4 not wasting my time on you
Then don't spend your time bragging on 4chan

>> No.4415683

>>4415631
Uh, alright then? I don't get why you're so defensive of this. I just simply wanted to know, especially if you were so confident about it.

>> No.4415702

>>4414115
OMFG this shit again?

>> No.4415751

>>4414115
Everyday we stray further from just fucking drawing

>> No.4415807

Aren’t most of these anime artist in their 40s and 50s? Anime art by japs today look the same as westerners. Only the oldfags in their country look authentic.

>> No.4415876

>>4415683
>>4415660
I don't owe faggots anything. Sayonara Nigga.

>> No.4416018

>>4415876
Did you expect people to applaud you? First day on this board, huh?

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>>4416018
I responded, but you're free to take offense and think up whatever motivation you want.

>> No.4416035

>>4415876
It's so obvious that you're actually an awful artist who wants to brag about being good. I don't see any reason why you'd act like this towards somebody politely asking to see your work

>> No.4416040

>>4416035
If that idea helps you sleep at night, sure.

>> No.4416050

>>4416040
It's a fact, not an idea.
Go work on your art some more so you don't need to avoid showing your stuff next time.

>> No.4416095

>>4416050
If you want it to be a fact to make yourself feel better about not getting what you want, go ahead.

And why should I do the bidding of a needy bitch?

>> No.4416104

>>4416095
Why would I want some guy's shitty abstract art? There's obviously a reason why he doesn't just post it :^)

>> No.4416115

>>4416104
>implying
I wouldn't give you my actual abstract art anyway, faggot.

That wasn't my art I posted, it was an example I found online to show how my abstract art looked. An anon wanted me to post an example of what my abstract art looked like, so I responded with an example.

>there's a reason
Yeah, because I said I didn't want to yet. No need to 'justify' it to some random needy fag who's assmad over not getting daddy's art cummies.

>> No.4416118

>>4414115
this should just be its own general.

>> No.4416213

>>4415329
Yes. It's a popular children's cartoon with crude humor but untainted by western cynicism and post-irony. No rolling eyes to signal to the audience that you're not fully committed to the jokes or the concept of a cartoon itself. How many western cartoons have 4th wall breaking post irony where someone will shrug at the camera and make an annoyed face? How many western cartoons did anime parodies with sweat drops and speed lines, showing they're interested in the subject matter but too insecure to commit so they go for the "I'm not even trying" parody route instead?
It's the same with so many western anime artists where you can tell they're being ironic because they can't commit to just making what they are fascinated by.
>dunno guess this is kawaii whatevs
>some weeb doodles I did
>check my waifu lol
Shit like this telegraphs you're not taking your art or yourself seriously, even if it's a pic you slaved over for ten hours.
Drop the irony, drop the cynicism and fucking draw what you want without being afraid some big imagined anon might point at you and shout "weeb", stop trying to preemptively defuse imagined mockery from crabs by pretending it's a joke and your work is just a joke. Value your fucking time and your creative vision.

>> No.4416217

>>4416115
>tldr "i'm bad"
literally didn't bother to read it, i hope you've learned that bragging behind a keyboard without anything to prove yourself was a retarded idea.

>> No.4416246

>>4416217
>didn't bother to read it
>gives tldr
>"I-I sure s-showed you a thing or two!!"
Your 'condemnation' means absolutely nothing since you're a retard who can't read. Cry more faggot, maybe if you keep throwing a tantrum daddy will give you what you want. :)

>> No.4416254

>>4416246
I want a good drawing from you, which I don't think is possible to get.

>> No.4416265

>>4416254
>I want
Aww, we all want something, don't we?

Give me a good reason why you think you deserve that. Have you been a good or naughty child this year?

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>>4416265
Serious reply and hopefully last post because even I'm getting bored of this shitposting.

If you can't post anything to prove yourself ("pyw"), especially when you believe you're in the position to be shitting on professional teachers, then I wouldn't be bragging on the internet whatsoever.
Feel free to continue "refining" this method of yours, but the fact that you're so openly hostile and getting defensive over somebody asking for an example of your work shows that your method probably isn't working as well as you think. Especially if you can't post it anonymously on the internet.

>> No.4416291

>>4416282
>openly hostile and getting defensive
You were the first one to get bitchy over not getting what you want. If you want to interpret my responses as being 'defensive'/'hostile' go ahead.

The only one getting butthurt over my bragging is literally (you), and that's your own problem to figure out.

>your method probably isn't working as well as you think
That's what you think based on nothing but your own imagination.

>anonymously on the internet
You know the surface web isn't truly anonymous anymore, don't play stupid.

>> No.4416299

>>4416291
Pretty sure I'm the third person that's making fun of you. You're the one responsible for escalating this because you simply could've stopped posting instead of being hostile and making constant excuses.
>You know the surface web isn't truly anonymous anymore
You're paranoid, no body gives that much of a shit about you. Go scribble some stuff and make an anime drawing out of it now.

>> No.4416310

>>4416299
You're the only person who's making a big deal about it, and I'm just so touched that you care enough about some random shitpostser like me to keep coming back.

>excuses
All I said was that I'm not going to post it. Period.
Don't need to say much more. Stay mad about it and live in your made up your own fairy tale about how you 'owned' me.
Here's your gold star to take home now, you're a winner! :)

>> No.4416467

>tfw I fell down some stairs and hit my head, knocking out all the synthetic confections and homogenizing influences of the socio-industrial art complex, leaving only a visceral intuition of truth and beauty.
>tfw lush anime flows from my hand like effortless thought bubbling up from the hidden wellspring of the soul.
>tfw the manifest connection, nigh equivalence, of anime to the human spirit is as real as the world before my eyes, and made more vivid thereby.
>tfw none of you fuckers will ever get to see these bomb-ass anime tiddies I just drew

>> No.4416474

>>4416467
post your tiddies

>> No.4416618

>>4416310
At this point even if your art was good ppl would hate on you bc you behaved like an absolute asshat. Why did you even continue posting?

>> No.4416660

>>4416213
Thanks anon I unironically needed to hear this. I've been trying to reconcile my love-hate relationship with anime style for a while now and I think your observations are true for me. Not sure which direction I'd like to go but I now realize I can't keep doing the mental post-irony dance if I want to avoid getting exhausted by drawing what I want.

>> No.4416661
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4416661

my theory is that japanese art, especially anime, is deeply rooted in the language and culture that typically produces it, Japanese living in japan.

before you >no shit senapi

I speak fluent russian and what is interesting about the russian language and the japanese language is that you can represent the japanese with cyrillic and vice versa using the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polivanov_system

the key difference being typical japanese use of two letter sounds per character versus cyrillic which uses only sound per letter.

For example, the word "crazy" in russian is cyмacшeдший or sumasshedshiy.
Using the polivanov system i can recreate the word in hiragana : すませえでし or Sumase edeshi (try both words in google translate and push the listen button)

My point is that when i hear japanese spoken, it doesn't sound foreign to me, instead i pick up on familiarities and even though it's a false understanding, my brain hears it as some strange russian.

I believe the intentional isolation of Japan has led to obvious xenophobia being ingrained to produce a very nationalistic culture. One you would have to directly experience or intuitively understand.
English is so far away in both concepts of aesthetics (western) and structure of language.

My english comes off as naive, because I grew up imitating it from my friends in america. I lack the true understanding of the way the language "pulses" So, I do not talk the way you do, like this, proper grammar and punctuation.(see i can't even fake it)

I believe that anime is some form of super-calligraphy that can only be accessed by proper association and key word familiarity of hiragana, kanji and katakana AND associations of eastern aesthetics.

You would basically need to turn your english speaking brain off and tap into some zen attitudes and maybe listen to japanese spoken.

pic related is my own

>> No.4416663

>>4416661
I believe you because you've got art to back it up.

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>>4416661

now im not one to shill drugs, im just speaking from my own experience.

said brain turning off can be done through consumption of dextrometrophan hbr, cough syrup thats sold over the counter here in america.

one 300mg dose will probably cause you to vomit the first time but the magic happens in that you revert back to the mind of a child and your language settings are temporarily reset to pre-language babble. you gain the intuitive understanding and mind malleability of a child.
in addition
combined with some strange zen like meditative trance from direct experience of "the void"

this is the only way imo an english speaker could have direct experience and experience actual familiarity with japanese, which in turn would, yes, improve your chances of drawing "authentic" anime.

psychedelics like acid, shrooms, peyote, in my experience are too hard to come by and expand your english speaking mind to yes, make tangible otherworldy concepts like god and the infinite, but again, probably won't help you draw anime.

getting really drunk and watching japanese videos being spoken probably wont help either because you'll probably just start enjoying whatever you're watching instead of focusing on learning.

amphetamines like adderall may help you memorize some japanese, but i still think you'd be missing the "intuitive familiarity" i described earlier.

only a dissociative like ketamine or cough syrup could help, would help, a desperate english speaker learn to draw anime.

sorry, its the cheapest and quickest way versus going to japan or taking japanese classes.

>> No.4416704

>>4414115
Cause their drawing style is based on looking at real-life Asians all day long. Maybe you'll get better if you live in Japan or something.

>> No.4416737

>>4414877
>go full JOJO unintentionally when they ask for more detail
I don't understand the problem.

>> No.4416828
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this guy whyt manga has been drawing """anime"" for about and always pushes fundies and loomis, yet something about his art is """anime""" art is soulless, something seems to be missing. You can tell his drawings aren't authentic and made by a non-japanese person. Why do western struggle with this? I'm starting to honestly believe that learning Loomis and other fundienigger shit handicaps your aesthetic and forces you to perceive drawing in only one way.

>> No.4416921

>>4416828
Loomis is a cancer that locks your sense of rotation to eight different degrees, but 99% of fags who study him never draw from life.

>> No.4416954

>>4414877
>go full JOJO unintentionally when they ask for more detail
Absolutely based

>> No.4416960

>>4416213
This should be in the sticky.. it's an amazing interpretation of post irony. I didn't realize that self-loathing and low confidence is a big part ot the genesis. Would love to hear a counter-respose to this.

>> No.4417109

>>4416213
what he said >>4416960

>> No.4417159

Check out Dmitry Grozov, David Liu, Blue the bone, and Sarumaru. None of them are Japanese but can draw anime to some degree

It's not about genetics, it's about copying the style EXACTLY and not having to put your own spin on it. Copy first, then develop your own style.

>> No.4417175

It's because western anime artists study from anime; eastern anime artists study from life.
Learn yer fundies.

>> No.4417176

>>4416828
Poor sense of aesthetics mixed with lazyness and unwillingness to commit plus a lot of sloppy habitual mistakes that some people refer to as "style" like the way he draws the lips, stressfolds on clothing or cheekbones. And general stiff construction that largely ignores perspective.

>> No.4417177

>>4417175
>eastern anime artists study from life
This. Study from life instead from Loomis. All you need to get from Loomis is that you can simplify anatomy to geometrical shapes.

>> No.4417179

>>4414811
>I can draw jap-level animu 1 gigillion times better than most western artists, I'm so awesome
>lel I'm not gonna show u tho
Sure thing anon.
Never understood people who want to try and look cool on an anonymous image board.

>> No.4417202

>>4417175
>eastern anime artists study from life.
this, but also this works better for them because nearly every aspect of their daily life exposes them to anime on an ongoing basis, so they get to kill two birds with one stone.

you draw what you've seen.

>> No.4417651

>>4414115
>why is it so painfully obvious to tell when a western tries to draw anime?
>western
It's not just "western" artists. Those ASSUME how it's done, without actually paying attention to the work they are trying to reproduce. This is a sad statement that's applicable to many fields, not just art.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBzBIJ1s5Hg

>> No.4417682

>>4414115
It is because westerners are not given the resources to draw anime. Try living on pixiv for a few weeks. Pixiv has a dedicated section for tutorials and constantly interviews professional artists asking them about their drawing process. Buy their premium membership and they give you VIDEO tutorials from famous artists like Mika Pikazo, and Anmi (People who are constantly at the top of the daily ranking).

Drawing anime is genuinely encouraged and professional artists dedicate their careers to Doujinshi/Fanart culture building a name for themselves in the industry. The west has absolutely nothing like that.

And if that is not enough, there are many really solid tutorial books that are easily accessible in japan. It costs an arm and a leg to import, and for some reason companies see no reason to localize them. So we are stuck with shitty how to draw manga books by mark crilley.

>> No.4417691

>>4417682
So can you draw anime now?

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4417695

>>4417691
You decide. Pic related

>> No.4417697

>>4417682
How do I build myself into their industry? Is it possible if I follow your guidance?

>> No.4417700

>>4417697
Your best bet is to learn Japanese and interact in Japanese. It's so easy to get a decent following on pixiv I have noticed.They even tell you which franchises and tags are trending and what genders they are popular with.

>> No.4417713

>>4417700
To the comments? Or do you mean in groups? Or do you mean on twitter?

>> No.4417981

>>4417700
>Your best bet is to learn Japanese and interact in Japanese.
Well, it certainly worked for Ilya lmao

>> No.4418016

it's almost like they copied anime instead of doing studies for realism

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>>4415134

>> No.4418027

>>4414115
Because Americans think they are better and they try to create their own style by mixing it with american comic book features. Specially those cherry picked tmblr images people post here.

That being said nips have a really wide variety of anime that goes from moe to dbz, to one piece, to pixiv bait, to Monster, to Junji Ito, to Cowboy Bebop, to many other varieties. Nome have the same shapes, the same lines, the same faces. There is no actual "anime style" like some faggots oretend in here. The closer to what is called anime style in here is pixivbait. And frankly its just a small part of it, and arguably the worst.

Many japanese stuff like Junji Ito would get called western anime shit if he wasnt actually japanese.

Also since we are being faggots already, to copy anime style is great in order to asimilate certain specific styles. But is slow and retarded to absorb fundies as perspective from copying images instead of just taking a weekend to learn it and not having to search for references everytime you need a different angle. There is one funny video of the guy who draws bleach who struggles with a simple as fuck pose and he has to do it like 20 times. You know he is just searching inside of his mind for references of orevious works but if he knew how anatomy and perspective work he would have solved it in 1/10 of the time. Will search for it later.

>> No.4418037

>>4414769
Except they dont learn. Just as a parrot is not actually talking. Move them away from their library of references and they wouldnt know how to aproach something new like different angle, or perspective But then again both manga and comic books are commercial products made in assembly lines. So I guess its fine if your tools does the job.

>> No.4418048
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>>4414115
Western or Japanese

>> No.4418056

>>4418048
I think when people here talk about "western" artists, they primarily mean "American". France has a pretty good comic/cartoon industry of their own. Also, wasn't this the artist that has been banned on twitch because she drew sexy anime girls?

>> No.4418060

>>4418056
Jesus Christ Twitch staff is cancerous. How having something sexy on screen nets you a ban, imagine they seeing a populated beach for their first time, they would have a heart attack.

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>>4414769
>>4418037
Both of you are mentally defective copers and wrong. Most manga artists mastered naturalism before they even started with manga in the first place.
Your cope to avoid actually getting to learn anything is what's holding you back and degrades you to merc_wip tier shitters.

>> No.4418102

>>4414138
>I've study hundreds of mangaka I like, but I didn't copy their work
So do that.
You're learning to draw x by copying y.
They're learning to draw x by copying x.

>> No.4418123

>>4418084
Manga source?

>> No.4418126

>>4418056
>>4418060
She deserved to get banned, plus she is a retard. Imagine thinking drawing pussy lips and a drenched pussy won't get you banned.

>> No.4418146

>>4418056
When people say “western”, I believe they mean the typical /beg/, because even the amateurs in /asg/ can draw anime.

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>>4414958
anime characters look both fitting for whites and asians typically

>> No.4418184

>>4414958
Didn't know japanese had extreme big eyes.

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if you aren't absolute 100% /beg/ you should be able to do anime features like eyes on a whim with enough prior exposure to them

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>>4414115
Posting this image because I'm sick of the weekly threads. And dont bother sending me any (you)s since I'm gonna hide this thread, Its not worth my time
>>4415074
>>4416828
There are better examples than just whyte im,o

>> No.4418607

What's the point of westerners drawing anime? There's no anime culture in the west. It's like white people doing hip hop music.

>> No.4418610

>>4418607
>not wanting to go to the east

>> No.4418615

>>4418607
who doesn't want to be the eminem of anime

>> No.4418621

>>4418607
because it's cute

>> No.4418714

Westerners playing Judo or Asians playing football is ok because they are sports. But westerners drawing anime is wrong for it's an art and art is to express yourself. You are unique and you must express your unique personality in your art.

>> No.4418767

I'm sure the intuition level mastery of composition and proportions that come with learning thousands of abstract chinese characters is not related.

>> No.4419084

>>4418714
Are sports not an art form?

>> No.4419157

>>4419084
They are not.

>> No.4419521

>>4418582
wow an actual good example

>> No.4419532

>>4418714
How are sports not a form of self expression?

>> No.4419570

>>4416661
just draw, you turbo-autist. This isn't rocket science.

>> No.4419588

>>4418714
Is martial art art?

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>>4414771
pic related

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>>4414115
sup /ic/ just did a quick sketch does this look nip enough?

>> No.4422931

>>4416661
>>4416681
i can read and comprehend Japanese at an educated adult level and have spent the past 7 years in contact with the language every day and it still looks terrible when i try to draw anime. why are psychedelic fags always such retarded pseuds

>> No.4422933

>>4422896
The Japanese don't color in sketches like that.

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>>4416661

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>>4414958
> Japs draw Japs
No.

>> No.4423155

>>4418048
This looks legit to me
>>4421029
Imagine how ass mad people would be if Gamefreak went with this design instead.

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>>4418582
N-NOOO YOURE LYING NIPS ARTIST MADE IT
ITS IN THEIR GENES AND THEIR WRITINGS YOU DONT UNDERSTAND
ITS NOT MY FAULT ITS NEVER MY FAULT I HAVE A THEORIES LISTEN TO ME THERES A REASON BEYOND MY CONTROL THAT MAKES IT SO I CANT DRAW ANIME
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>> No.4423164

>>4422896
It actually does.

>> No.4423199

>>4415294
Wait, so Asians are completely oblivious to post modernism? Well that explains a lot...

>> No.4423406

>>4423158
S E E T H I N G,
how can nips even compare to superior western art?

>> No.4423427

I've definitely seen some authentic weeb art from westies
The ones that are bad and immediately obvious are actually gooks. The downy faces, the "tryed 2 be realistic" shading and the massively exaggerated anatomy are dead giveaways every time

>> No.4423947

>>4414288
those were all made by westerners
>>4414292
those were all made by amateurish japaneses

there are maybe 1 or two exeptions in each pics but i'm pretty sure i'm right.

>> No.4423981

>>4423947
Nope, all mixed. Nice try though.

>> No.4424059

Anime style is shit anyway lol. That american style like DC Comics and Marvel is way better because it's more complexed. Why are you trying to copy that style?

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>>4418607
Because it is extremely rare for people to draw "authentic" looking anime, and it is very difficult to commission a Japanese person. So if you manage to blend in with Japanese artists, you will stand out in the West and have a very high chance to be commissioned. I am trying very hard to start blending in because I really really need money

>> No.4424716

>>4424668
Give me your gains. How do I do it?

>> No.4425377

>>4423158
Yooooo! I have that exact blanket sheet!

>> No.4425472

>>4418607
>There's no anime culture in the west.
Welcome to 4chan.

>> No.4426043

>>4425472
4chan isn't culture.

>> No.4426046

>>4426043
uncultured pig

>> No.4426740

>>4424716
Thank you for the kind words anon, it sincerely makes me extremely happy it is liked. I've noticed improvement after only studying art from Pixiv, if you choose a style you want to draw in, there are usually many people who draw similarly and you could mix and match various techniques for proportions, inking and coloring which are alike. I always look for what is repeating in the art style I like drawn by various artists and try to learn the technique. Pay a lot of attention to make the girls cute, delicate and to the composition and perspective (it makes a big difference, as most Pixiv artists use it very similarly). You will make it anon, study an art style you like and then compare it very carefully, pay a lot of attention to details, be very critical towards yourself and humble. I really recommend "ももいろね" for speedpaint. If it is helpful, I have been examining differences between "Instagram" and "Pixiv" anime to learn and try to prevent mistakes, I think the biggest mistakes are: oversaturations of colors, bold energetic expressions, girls are not gentle and delicate, too much detail in hair and clothes, sharp faceshape, eyes drawn very close to each other, the girl isn't interacting with the viewer

>> No.4426764

>>4414115
YOU WILL NEVER BE JAPANESE. GO SEE A PSYCHIATRIST.

Holy fucking shit, every week the same stupid question. Kids these days wanna be transgender, transracial and shit