/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4391659
yea your retarded also post your work i bet i draw better than you even with my old ass intuos tablet

>>4391660
i mean would something like an Xp pen artist 15.6 pro or whatever the fuck really be that much worse than a cintiq 22?

>>4391659
>am i retarded
Yes. Your whole post is retarded. You don't even need a screen tablet you dunce.

>semi neet
>has a job
god I hate faggots like you don't use the acronym if it doesn't actually apply
yes you're retarded
semi neet jesus fuck

>>4391718
Can you read nigger? I am a NEET and I made myself get a job for 3 months to afford this and quit and back to NEET. You are not special and ill call myself NEET even if I'm working or in college faggot.

>>4391664
XP Pen is utter shit.

>>4391659
You'll only be a retard if you don't use it.

If you use that same tablet everyday for the next 10 years and get good as fuck at art, you'll unironically be a genius

>>4391659
If you're going Pro, get a cintiq
If you're going to be a Hobbyist, get a cheaper brand

>>4391751
What if you're not a pro but decided you're going to become a pro?

saving up for a lambo as your first car doesnt make you a better driver. just draw all the time. Having a large screen tablet that you cant take out of your room how does that make you better?

Think of it like this, many illustration jobs, they flip through your portfolio then they put a pen and paper in front of you and tell you to draw. they know there are many cheaters out there who fake with their tablets. You will not get a real job as a pro like that, they will reject you so all you have is youtube nerds and instagram followers to fish for along with all the other fake artists (there are many out there)

>>4391659
ignore the other post. If you planning to buy a large screen tablet, make sure this is a tablet you will use for years to come. Don't buy it and then throw it away in 3 years time to replace it, or just because you're not comfortable using it.

>>4391787
personally, getting something like wacom mobile studio pro 16 is better. A big one would just be too overwhelming i think.

>>4391792
the animators from studio trigger used this tablet if you follow their streams. they dont use the super big ones working digitally.

>>4391777
>they put a pen and paper in front of you and tell you to draw.

Oh fuck

>>4391797
not that guy but if you're confident with your drawings, why would you be afraid of this. Even 'cheating' with digital is just taking shortcuts and making use the full capabilities of digital drawing. Unless, your 'cheating' is literally tracing than obviously its a problem.

>>4391753
Tons of people "decide to become a pro", only a small, small fraction of them ever makes it. Chances are you aren't one of them, just like most of /ic/ including me.

>>4391659
I used a Wacom Intuos for years and I got an iPad Pro a couple months ago to replace my 7 year old iPad thinking that a screen tablet would suddenly make my drawing process so much better. Turns out that wasn’t the case and I still use my Wacom intuos, while using the iPad for small drawing exercises and casual browsing.

Point of this blog was that you don’t need to shell out 2000 wageslave bucks to draw digitally, even if you get a cheap shitty tablet once you get comfortable with it you’ll be able to draw what you want eventually.

Grinding getting used to the tablet is far more important than how expensive it is.

>>4391882
Are your lines not better on the screentablet? I can barely trace something with my intuos (have had it for years)

>>4391887
I’d say the main benefit to transitioning the screen would be if you’re the type who inks their line art since if have good line control you won’t even need a stabiliser to get smooth lines. Plus rotating the Canvas and flipping to see mistakes is so much better on the screen tablet.

My specific issue with the transition is that I’m so used to my tablet settings and the texture of the wacom tablet that I can’t draw in ‘muh style’ on it. i still have fun drawing In Procreate but at the moment it’s like an entirely different method for me, hence why OP should save his money and see how he fares on a cheaper option to test the waters since he can replace it with something similar later if he gets used to the tablet.

>>4391659
Buy things you know you're going to use
Go pricey if you want to spend more of your time with it

But you probably should buy this as your first tablet.

>>4391659

buy a cheap screenless tablet. use the money for buying papers and pen to practice line control. the rest of the money can be use for online classes like schoolism or some place where the teacher give assignment and crits.

>>4391777
>many illustration jobs, they flip through your portfolio then they put a pen and paper in front of you and tell you to draw
Literally doesnt ever happen, stop lying. Any company that require art tests give you at least couple of days to do it AT HOME and with more than enough time to do research and gather REFERENCE.

Noone gives a shit about your ability to draw from your head under pressure, because its not an ability thats relevant for the job

>>4391659
>am i retarded for wanting to buy a $2000 tablet as my first tablet?
Not necessarily. If you know you need it, know it'll enable you to work to make up for the expense, know it'll make a difference in comparison to other alternatives, and can afford it, it's smarter to get one $2k tablet than one for $600 and another for $2k shortly afterwards.
And obviously if price wasn't a releavant factor there wouldn't be any reason to not get the best of the best for any given task.

>>4391659
If you're rich it doesn't matter. But you're not.

>>4391659
Do it op, I did it without having a lick of art practice before, but I'm more of a "buy it once and do it right" kind of guy with most of my purchases. It's a great tool if you use it frequently. I haven't had any issues with mine.

>>4392216
which one did you get?

>>4393078
cintiq 24 pro. I found a good deal on ebay, bought it immediately, and here I am about 8 months later with the best decision I ever made. I even got the color calibrator and everything. The expresskey remote is pretty damn good too (came with it), I charge it once every 4 days.

>>4393278
How is the pen accuracy on screen tablets? Does the line come straight from under the pen tip or does it draw slightly behind it?

>>4393322
I guess it would be entirely dependent on your pc setup. if you have some archaic junk of a pc then thats what is going to hold you back. I dont see any lag issues with my tablet (Line is directly underneath the pen tip). draws right where I want it to. Only time I ever see lag is if i'm working with insanely large brushes with dimensions like 10000x10000. But thats just how photoshop is, I haven't tried it with csp yet though.

>>4391659
Imho investing lots of money into a screen tablet when youre not even earning money with your art yet is a mistake. Get normal cheap Intuos Pro instead, its perfectly serviceable for professional needs.
Also, you got to realize that screen tablet is not a straight upgrade, its more like a side-grade compared to normal tablets; I've got a 27 inch Cintiq and I still use my Intuos most of the time since theres tons of downsides to the screen version that often outweight the benefits.

>>4393322
Theres a calibration tool that you need to use to adjust where the cursor is in relation to the pen. Remember that theres a fairly thick glass between the surface of the tablet and the actual screen, so your cursor will be at the pen-tip only at certain angle, and if you grip your pen differently than how you did when you were calibrating the thing (ie. more vertical) the cursor doesnt know about it and it stays in the same relation to the pen. In other words, you cant change the way your holding your pen or even change your posture/angle of the tablet without the cursor being off, or without recalibrating it for that new angle.

The only tablets that dont have this issue are the ones that have very little parallax, like Dell Canvas 27

Just buy the Apple iPad Pro - the only digital device that doesn't have parallax, by design.
This automatically makes it far, far better than even the most expensive cintiqs that still struggles with this simple problem.

>>4393639
>>4393656
would buying an ipad pro be dumb? I know its the "normie" thing, but I just wanna throw some color and sharp lines on my drawings, nothing fancy

>>4393656
>the only digital device that doesn't have parallax
and wtf does this mean?

>>4391659
Yes OP you are retarded. I'm surprised more people didn't tear your anus apart over this stupid post. You should get a cheap tablet, take commissions and put that money towards the expensive toy you desire. Fools are quick to depart with their money, so do what you want really

>>4393949
>take commissions and put that money towards the expensive toy
gotta be a year at least

buy a huion or x-pen screen-tablet the price is low and the quality is acceptable - get used with screen-tablets this way,
Later on you can switch to wacom.

>>4391659
yes go buy it and never use it.
if you want a serious answer post your best works.
you can do great shit on a second hand intuos pro fyi.

>am i retarded for wanting to buy a $2000 tabletas

yeag
sage in all fields

>>4393639
>cheap Intuos Pro instead, its perfectly serviceable for professional needs.
??

>>4391659
Too long to read. If you're a pro then maybe, if you have the extra cash.

>>4394652
Which word you dont understand

Nah, fuck that. Spend your money how you want, OP. It very well might be a huge mistake, but ultimately that's what we learn from, mistakes.

Might as well have fun.

You can re sell the tablet without losing too much value, like at 1700 bucks and someday would buy, if it's well preserved, don't beat ir scratch it
Myself i'm usign a cintiq 12wx and is utter garbage, totally obsolete and Intuos don't click for me unfortunely, so I have to work with what I have, but i'll get a Cintiq pro in the future and never Buy a tablet again, si if you can get one now, just do it, 2000 is not even that much money, is just faggots here can't even hold a job, I love in south america and I could Buy a Cintiq pro in like 5 months flipping burguers, but thats me, I don't pay rent so, yeah.

>>4394752
you need a fucking screen tablet for professionals you retard.

>>4391728
Lol imagine being this retarded

>>4394996
Totally dude, except like half of professional concept artists and illustrators dont use them

I'll just use this as the tablet thread. Should I get a Pro 24 or a One and a 22? One for travel and one for home?

>>4395558
And the other half does, what point of use whatever is more confortable for you don't understand?

>>4391659
jus buy a tablet computer and stylus pen dude....

>>4395773
The point is "NEED".
You don't need one, considering most people who made it don't use them.

>>4394996
>you "need" a fucking screen tablet for professionals you retard.
False.
My friend who works for an outsource studio said 65-ish% still use a non-screen tablet.

>>4395773
>you need a fucking screen tablet for professionals you retard.
>use whatever is more confortable for you
Make up your mind, shitposter.

>>4391659
If you're used with pen and paper definitely get a cintiq. I'd recommend against the old ones though. Actually go for the new 13" one seems like a steal at 400$. Definitely go higher if you can afford it. A higher resolution will give you more estate to work with so. Pay no attention to these retards, drawing is a lot of fun and soothes your mind. People rationalize buying alcohol or smokes but probably against something like this. You'll love it and they have good resell values.

>>4395558
>half of professional concept artists and illustrators dont use them
you are fucking delusional. name THREE. you can't.

>>4395773
Screen tablets aren't more comfortable tho. They're only good for people who never developed any hand-eye coordination. You always have to stare into the shitty screen with a certain posture and deal with your hand in the way. It's far more comfy to be able to sit back and away from the screen and draw on your tablet with a nice monitor.
Roll a higher dex score in the next life please.

dont get a cintiq just get an intuos

>>4397834
why? im gonna get a cintiq eventually i dont wanna get used to not looking where i draw

>>4396686
You must be cripped from drawing/writing on paper for all this time.

HONESTLY if it's a matter of just wanting a bigger screen tablet, and if you're a Wacom fanboy, get a 22. They're a thousand buckaroos right now during the sale, come with a built-in stand, and have ALL of the pen capabilities of the pro 24, it's just 1080p, which is just fine for a beginner artist.

>>4397936
What's the difference between the 22 and 22HD? why is the newer 22 so much cheaper than the 22HD was, even though it has the same resolution and size? kinda suspicious

>>4397976
The biggest difference is the price. Other than that, here's a quick rundown:

22HD: Has express keys built into the tablet casing, has a pretty great stand, all things considered (you can rotate the entire goddamned display).

22: Uses wacom's latest Pro Pen 2 tech, so you get 8000+ levels of pressure sensitivity. Plus, it being newer tech, you get a "better" screen. But the difference is honestly negligible on that front. The stand only allows you to tilt the screen up and down, but at the end of the day that's really indispensable.

The main differences are the express keys (the 22 DOES NOT have any built in, so you'll have to rely on your keyboard or an express key remote), the pen technology, and the stand. And, the price, obviously. A lot of pros (people working in the industry at shit like Disney) have the 22HD, but they've had it for years and probably don't see much point in upgrading right now. The 22 is more than adequate for a hobbyists needs, especially if they want a bigger screen.

>>4398035
4000 levels is fine desu...8000 to 4000 is like, just why? you cant possibly be able to differentiate between 4000 and 8000 pressure levels of putting a pencil into glass. should i go for a refurbished 22hd instead? express keys and stand seem to be worth it.

>>4391742
What is utter shit is Wacom's screenless tablets with buggy drivers and manufactured using cheapest possible materials, cheap plastic and rubber feet falling off. When I switched a $200 Wacom to $300 XP-Pen after being a royal Wacom customer for 10 years the jump in quality was gigantic. Cintiq 13 HD's and 16's screens are crap. If you're going for Wacom you HAVE to buy their high-end devices or else you're getting overpriced garbage. They don't give a fuck about their cheaper tablets being good. If you aren't a pro yet you're better off spending that money on XP-PEN if you can't afford a $1500+ Cintiq.

>>4391659
This is completely retarded.
No joke, start with an intuos draw. Some 80 something bucks and your'e good. Trust me that's the best way to start.

>>4391659
Some advice from /p/: Equipment does not make an artist.

>>4398787
if i dont have the best tablet, all i will think about is how im using a subpar tablet as i draw and not at full potential.

>>4396686
>>4397914
It's true that you need to consider your set up a bit more with screen tablets. I use both and desu screenless is more comfy because you can lean back. Still mostly use screen tablets, as I work faster with them and they feel a little better.

>>4391659
If you have never drawn digitally I'd honestly just use a mid tier Wacom. You'll get used to the tablet rather quick - understanding the programs and workflow is what takes time. Almost all drawing programs have trial versions, use them to see which one suits your needs. Spending several K on a tool you can't even properly use is just retarded.

>>4398789
Your drawings will not be better with a screen tablet, nor worse with a screenless one. If you really want a high end screen tablet, get one. Don't ask for permission to buy stuff.

>>4391777
>Think of it like this, many illustration jobs, they flip through your portfolio then they put a pen and paper in front of you and tell you to draw.
Kek. Remember /ic/, this is the kind of beg that is giving you critiques right now as we speak.

>>4398643
The 22 hd is STILL much more expensive than the new 22, even refurbished, and
only has 2000 some-odd pressure levels. The new 22 has the 8000+ levels. It's cheaper. The only thing it doesn't have going for it is the express keys. The stand is a matter of opinion, but the 22HD did have a nice stand. The new one comes with a stand, too.

What I'm saying, if I'm saying anything, is that it's more logical to pick up the new one

>>4398822
>Your drawings will not be better with a screen tablet, nor worse with a screenless one.

>>4398789
You don’t need the best tablet, just get one that’s big whether it’s screen-less or not. Only the small tablets limits you.

>>4398789
craig mullins and feng zhu both use an intuos
you dont really need anything fancier than that

>getting a more expensive drawing tablet will make me better at art
why do i even go on this website?

>>4400614
Because it’s entertaining to look at a zoo full of retarded animals?

>>4400614
>>4400621
>a $300 tablet and $2000 tablet will produce the exact same outcome, trust me!

>>4400014
lmao if you think an expensive tablet will make your art automatically look better you're the brainlet here, anon

>>4400656
you are fucking retarded

>>4400678
you obviously can't prove me wrong so stfu

I may have missed something but I don't think anybody is saying that the cintiq will produce better art, it's just preference.

Now if I did miss somebody saying that, sorry.