/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4393536
can someone give me some advice?

>>4393533

>>4393540
about what?

>>4393540
Drink 3 cups of water to stay hydrated

>>4393540
Feel the form.

>>4393541
youre not feeling the forming

So I couldn't figure out why I couldn't draw today. Turns out I wasn't feeling the form. On the 10th re-draw I finally figured out that shadows lie. DO NOT TRUST THE SHADOWS! Especially looking at photos / videos. Sometimes the form is really subtle and your eyes track the shadow instead of the form.

Once I started ignoring the shadows things finally started to look right. I learnt today that shading is pretty forgiving, you can do pretty much anything with it. But the underlying form has to be correct or you're fucked. And shadows lie. Don't trust the shadows.

>>4393574
??? Why would shadows lie to me?

>>4393576
Cause they're assholes that's why. Ignore all shadows / shading and look at the form. Sometimes the form is really hard to make out and you have to put your nose on the monitor and stare at a 1% difference in pixel colour. I wish life-drawing didn't cost so much and I was so poor, I'd go draw from life instead. But hey video is doable just harder.

>>4393208
Start from a plane where you know the orthogonals, e.g. the ground. And find the tangent of the ellipse that lets you rotate from the ground to your arbitrary surface. Do this twice for two different points on the surface and where they intersect is the vanishing point of all orthogonals.

You need to have had sex a few times before you can really feel the form.

finished this with no ref. i legit feel like this the best one ive done so far especially with the pose. just wish i would i could render the hair better. oh well. any critiques?

>>4393553
I'm beginning to feel that this is genetic
If you don't have it in the first place then you'll never 'feel the form'

I spent an hour on this flower drawing. Where did I go wrong, and how do I fix it?

>>4393679
Do you know about wrapping lines? Do the drawabox exercise on wrapping lines. Look at how Loomis wraps lines around a sphere. That's all feeling the form is, just wrapping lines.

>>4393679
Can you feel an object when you hold it? Then you can feel the form.

>>4393574

>>4393681
Stop trying to "fix it", learn something from it that you can put into the next drawing then throw it away.

>>4393676
You have some good things going on here Anon. Good sense of directional lighting and proportion of the face. Main critique I have is with your edges. When drawing feminine faces you should always be thinking soft edges as many hard edges/plane transitions give a more masculine feel to a face. I think some of your highlights too are misplaced for the forms they're representing, like on the tip of the nose for example.

some shit I made a while ago for a topic I make on a forum where I tell people to ask what to draw

>>4393748
and another batch

>>4393536
cute silent hill god!

how in the world do you shade?
the light is coming from top right, why is the banana in shadow?
man i thought shading cylinders was easy

>>4393763
Because the stem on top of the banana is casting that shadow. It's blocking the light.

>>4393763
You're not understanding where in space the banana is sitting. This isn't a shading issue, this is a spacial issue.
Point B is where point C is casting the shadow. The light goes from point C to point A. The banana is curved, so point A and C are at the same depth, and point B is further back.
This is why drawing from life makes it easier, because you'd see the spacial relationships and either change the angle, or understand the depths in the scene.
You're also somehow drawing everything from a higher angle than the photo. In the photo, you cannot see the dimple in the top, where the stem is, but you've drawn it. You're also not capturing the actual contours and shapes here. LOOK closer at what the objects are, their contours, and their position to each other, and the depths of the scene, and where the objects sit. Then worry about shading.

How long does it take to get as good as pic-related?

>>4393794
Get higher standards and better taste and then come back.

i tried drawing from imagination, obviously not aiming for realism but i have a couple of questions

obviously my ink lines arent good, im using a 0.5mm fineliner for my lines, but i feel like as soon as i ink and erase my sketching it loses all sense of personality. I liked how it looked before inking and now it looks soulless to me. i guess what i want to know is how to make my drawings look nicer after the sketch has been erased

second question: i used a brush pen for colouring but it leaves streaks everywhere, am i doing something wrong? is it the ink im using? the paper? I have a black one which isnt nearly as streaky.

>>4393798
But, I already have both.

>>4393699
Get me a woman with hank hill's body type

>>4393806
Asuka's skeleton?

>>4393806
Good

>>4393676
Please for the love of god, do more refs.

>>4393800
Who would you drew crooked shoulders from imagination?

>>4393811
You need to simplify the form.

>>4393806
Asuka fag be like

>>4393806
It's like watching a car crash that has been going on for the last few days.

>>4393806
Anime characters don't adhere to realistic human skeletons.
You're better of working with basic shapes when drawing anime.
When you make anime characters too realistic it just ends up looking creepy.

>>4393830
I don't wanna draw anime though
maybe it doesn't often seem like I put enough effort, but I really really want to learn all realistic anatomy

>>4393816
don't judge a man's fetishes.

>>4393833
Then maybe, just maybe, stop trying to draw anime characters?
Just draw from life.
Copy other artists that have an artstyle you like.

>>4393794
bump

>>4393763
>light is coming from top right

> he fell for the light source meme

>>4393817
Yeah I'll try working on that,

>>4393843
>>4393794

It's not good. Aim higher.

>>4393833
what do you mean
it's just a character design that can be applied to many styles

>>4393833
You are putting in absolutely no effort to learn realistic anatomy.
Why would you not just draw copies of real people to learn real anatomy?
I'm probably done replying to you though, I think you might legitimately be retarded. You'll either figure things out or you won't.

>>4393849
Everything you posted up to now has just been construction.
You have yet to post a finished drawing.
In the end you'll be good at construction, but you'll have no idea how to actually finalize it.
Maybe that's already the case, and that's why you keep posting random skelly drawings instead of actual character drawings.
I know some of the criticism in these threads can be harsh, but most people are seriously trying to help you but you just ignore 99% of the things people tell you.
Please, for the love of god, copy some better artists.
Construct their drawings with your own method of constructing, AND THEN FINISH THE DRAWING.

>>4393853
I will figure it out eventually
>>4393860
I've posted finished drawings and all I got is that anatomy and perspective is shit so I decided it's not worth the effort to polish turds and better to draw 15 min max anatomy constructions

okay enough of this I don't wanna keep disappointing, I am going to figure something else to get better other methods

>>4393695
>Feel the form
not him but what do you mean by this?

>>4393862
>okay enough of this I don't wanna keep disappointing, I am going to figure something else to get better other methods
Stop ignoring the advice people have been giving you since the beginning.
COPY OTHER ARTISTS.

>>4393863
Feel the form when you draw.

>>4393864
I have done that once a few days ago
I wanna believe this will teach me something

>>4393863
move your finger over your leg.
now imagine moving your finger over your leg.
if you get the same sensation, you are feeling the form.
now use it to draw some cross contours.

>>4393862
ganbatte kudasai!!

>>4393870
hum! I see, thanks!

Leveling up my feel the form feeling. Now using feel the form as a kind of cage + perspective grid. Seems to get better results than what I was doing before.

>>4393848
But, I want to draw like this!

>>4393884
Come back after your 18th birthday.

>>4393894
I'm 27

>>4393814
the /beg/ op pasta should just be this repeated 20 times

>>4393836
I even hate myself over my fetishes. You better believe I'm gonna judge the shit out of you faggots.

>>4393882
Feel the form.

>>4393676
Nice tits

>>4393900
Yeah, right.

>>4393906
Wtf is shit

can i get some feedback on this?
does it need darker shadows?

>>4393909
at least tell me what's wrong with my goal

Crap

>>4393911
Schizophrenia

>>4393916

>>4393912
ye.
also, add more color, it looks kinda dull.

>>4393830
>>4393829
>Anime characters don't adhere to realistic human skeletons.
Is it possible to be this retarded? Studying skeletons is too spoopy for you baby fucks is it? What is this? am I having a full on breakdown?
i didn't realize /beg/ is filled with this much slobbering shitheads.
Keep practising at the rate you are going asuka-fag.

what can i do to improve this sketch?

>>4393946
Your sketchy lines are the biggest problem. Make a new layer, zoom in and go slow. Make smooth confident lines.

>>4393923
alright, thanks a lot!

>>4393953
i plan on cleaning it up and lining it properly, i just want to know if anything should be fixed in the sketch before i do all of that.

>>4393946
hips higher

How improve

>>4393965
ears higher

>>4393960
like this?

>>4393971
yep

>>4393927
>reading comprehension
you need to be le 18 to le post here.
hope i'm le using le correct language so le you can le understand le me.
back to le reddit until le 18 birthday le.

>>4393911
>>4393918
Maybe you should be directing that at >>4393922

>>4393922
>>4394022

>>4394026
I've never read Uzumaki but what is so fascinating about a spiral? You can roll things. So what?

>>4394042
spirals are possessing the town

>>4394042
The spiral is an abstract horror which haunts the town.

>>4394042
You're not very fascinating.

>>4393676
uhh judging from the thumbnail tits a bit too dark i think? back doesnt look connected with neck. opinion from a beg too btw.

>>4393993
what am I misreading here? The fact that you think "anime characters too realistic it just ends up looking creepy"? You are retarded. Keep posting here until you stop breathing.

Keep saying it

>>4393817
Something like this?

first head ive done in a while. i feel like i fucked up the head shape and angle on the nostrils. mouth could be wider too. sorry for the bleed through of ink from the previous page

>>4394181
not the person youre replying to but i think he means finding the basic shapes of what youre drawing, egg-shape for the ribcage area, cyliders for the arms etc. jumping straight to drawing the muscles is a difficult approach.

im /beg/ too though so i might be completely wrong

>>4393676
Where is the ribcage? You should definitely see some of it under the tiddies.

>>4394184
Focus on making the shapes correct.

>>4394193
will do, thanks

Everything fucked

>>4394184
this was the biggest thing i noticed. she's got a much stronger brow than the wimpy one you gave her.

>>4393754
>>4393748
nice and creative

How do you deal with being a /beg/ when you see what the top pros can do?
How many tens of thousands of hours would it take to reach their level?
How can you avoid losing all hope?

>>4394240
I dont i already lost hope but keep trying anyways because i got nothing better to do

>>4394240
i would rather draw than not draw.

>>4394181
Here's very rough version i did next to your ref. All i can say is to focus on angles of the silhouettes, and the shapes of the figure. I split the two in half for better understanding.

>>4394244
> I split the two in half for better understanding.
Ok, i'm pretty tired so my brain isn't working at all. What I meant to say is that I split the drawing in half with a line, so you can see the rudimentary shapes of the torso.


Fixed some of the glaring mistakes

>>4394240
I find it kinda motivating telling yourself as long as you practice everyday you can be as good as them

>>4394282
I can be this good if I practice every day?

>>4394282
How long until i can be this good?

>>4393794
>>4393884

>>4394304
A couple days

>>4394282
>lying to yourself
>>4394240
>comparing yourself to others
learn to be patient with yourself and make sure you spend enough time with each drawing too.

>>4394240
I lose more hope when I see people worse than me be more successful

>>4394309
>lying to yourself
If I can't be at a pro level then there's no point in drawing. I'm sure as hell not doing it for fun.
Thankfully I can't know for certain if that's possible or not so i'll just press onwards either way.

>>4393536
whoever made this needs to ask for advice

>>4394322
He does, he receives it, he ignores it.

>>4394330
What he ignore speficially?

>>4394297
yes, now go practice

>>4394330
he was advised to draw horror and has been excelling at it

>>4394336
I'm at work, it's a lot easier and less conspicuous to shitpost on /ic/ at my desk than draw at my desk. I will practice when I get home though.

>>4393676
Use a larger brush size. I can see every little scratch you've made and it looks ugly. If you use bigger sized brush it will make blending easier too.
Also the nipples are very strange as theyre just pointing forward. Nipples dont point in parallel directions.
Hope that helps good work.

I can't wrap my head around the mechanics of this fucking thing right here. Any decent books or tutorials?

>>4394397
Just think of it as a simple weight attached to the arm that rotates with it.
If the arm goes up, the scapula will rotate with it.
That's it, there's not much more to it.
There 3 muscles attached on the inside that insert into the humerus, and the rhomboids which originate from the spine and insert into the medial side of the scapula, but you rarely see that one.

>>4393862
dude don't listen to this people that tell you to finish your drawing or other shit like anime head don't go on a realistic skeleton ( I don't even have a start of clue why they say this ).
Either they don't know how to draw or they don't remember the difficulties they had when they learned ( but it's strange because you keep learning all your life ).
If you have fun doing what you are doing keep doing it .
I like your work don't lose faith.

>>4394225
thanks

>>4394397
not sure about what you mean by mechanics but anatomy for sculptors may be useful

>>4394427

>>4394430

>>4394297
Realistically speaking and knowing how some of the pros work, most of these are glorified tracing, pretty sure there’s a proper term for it. They’re still masterful and it takes a lot of skill, but you can tell they used traced references.

>>4394425
I mean its motion, it confuses me a bit
>>4394414
I thought it was just rotation but my drawings that I try to do without reference are all fucked up in that region

>>4394000
>>4394005
>>4394009
posted in the other thread but it was dead.
wanted to share this because I think it's cool - I did some studies from life and found out if you just pay special attention to the angle of things and draw shapes, it naturally becomes easier and MUCH faster to draw and ends up in a 5 point perspective

>>4394000
>>4394005
>>4394009
posted in the other thread but it was dead.
wanted to share this because I think it's cool - I did some studies from life and found out if you just pay special attention to the angle of things and draw shapes, it naturally becomes easier and MUCH faster to draw and ends up in a 5 point perspective

>>4394506

>>4394508
can I ask if these were worth doing from a goal of drawing from imagination ?
there was no guidelines or construction or 'understanding of what was being drawn' ,

>>4394512
>can I ask if these were worth doing from a goal of drawing from imagination ?
Sure, any type of drawing is still drawing.
Whether you're drawing from imaginatior or from observation, as long as it makes you actively think about what you're drawing you're not wasting your time.

>>4394527
>as long as it makes you actively think about what you're drawing you're not wasting your time.
that's what I meant. your mind just "unlocks " and starts drawing shapes with no thought or association to what you're drawing, it would have taken 10x longer to do otherwise but I don't feel like I learned anything

>>4393950
>>>/int/

>>4394184
tried another one. wasnt even close with the proportions. Is there a knack to it that im missing, or is it just a case of practicing it and eventually my eyes will see the nuances better?

i also make the jaw line way too low every time i draw my loomis heads, and I end up having to bring them back up.

>>4394658
Wish i could help you my main man, i have the same problem. Practice and comparing the features does help. Like place your pencil directly next to the end of the nose to see where the mouth comes. So measuring stuff compared to other stuff is a good tip.

>>4394658
>Is there a knack to it that im missing
yeah, it's called fixing it after you notice it's wrong

>>4394660
>futa
Based

>>4394658
honestly id say its a case of mileage, assuming you are doing measurements and correct construction. So it will come down to practise more and also practise the features of the face idiividualy as you still arent drawing them realistically, and even if you dont want to draw from imagination, having that 3D form of the head in your mind will help you focus more on nuances than other basic things.

>>4394658
I reckon you'd do well to just drill in a base set of average proportions and measurements which you can fall back on. Generally speaking its far more important that you're drawing is at least correct in its own right and not so much that it's a perfect likeness.

>>4394667
I could only tell I was wrong after i put both images next to eachother to post here. I could tell it wasnt right but I wasnt able to see what exactly it was. thank you though

>>4394666
Ive been trying to do that, but I'll continue and pay more attention. Thank you

>>4394673
>I could only tell I was wrong after i put both images next to eachother to post here. I could tell it wasnt right but I wasnt able to see what exactly it was. thank you though
yes, that's usually when you notice what exactly is wrong at first. it's not a timed test or a performance, the point is to make something that looks the way you wanted it to look.
now go fix it.

>>4394658
front views teach very little. If you want to learn to draw heads, do them at different angles

>>4394690
>struggles with the straight forward placement of a front view
>time to add in an entirely new dimension to cope with
needlessly cruel

>>4394681
OK i tried

>>4394690
>>4394698

I appreciate that. Ive been jumping around in what im learning, this is me revisiting heads. I did these back in december but I never bothered to post them here. Ill be doing different angles again next, these are kind of warm-ups i guess

>>4394698
having a better understanding of the 3d form will improve it
does anon have to draw like a photocopier before moving ahead?

>>4393794
>>4393843
there is no way to know anon

>>4394720
Apply yourself. You can do better

>>4394728
>make something that looks the way you wanted it to look
>draw like a photocopier
you have brain damage

>>4393794
like a month if you're persistent and put passion to it. Draw everyday and don't get attached to your old flawed stuff, improve from your mistakes and you'll be good to go :)

>>4394488
So what? Yeah they're using references and “tracing” but it takes real skill to turn a reference picture into good art.

>>4394747
I'm just saying it's better to learn to loomis, and know where the placement should be without even having to look at the photo than to agonise over trying to copy 2d shapes with no thought to the form underneath
the latter is a lot harder to perform well than learning loomis

>>4393946
Did you copy and flip the hair? don't do this. Repetition is bad for hair

the upper arm should be the same size that the upper arm and the wrist should be long enough to reach the groin

the character is out of balance, look up some "contra posto" shit

>>4393794
>192 views
>13 thumbs up
>2.93k subscribers
Holy based.

>>4394240
If I let it bother me I would not be able to do anything, because this is true for everything.

>>4394757
not him, but it does take much less skill that do it by imagination. So it is not that unreachable.

>>4394759
if loomis helps you make a drawing look how you want it to look, then use loomis.
if thinking about the underlying form helps you make a drawing look how you want it to look, then think about the underlying form.
if not obsessing over the reference helps you make a drawing look how you want it to look, then don't obsess over the reference.
this is not a hard concept i'm expressing, i don't know why you're filling in all these weird things to argue against.

>>4394660
can you do that with your toes?

I'm still doing the cleanup for this, but I really actually like this so far.
Even tho still /beg/, I think it was important for me to realize that I want to have fun while drawing, and this was the first time in a while that I had drawn anything I liked.
Keep at it, bros.

>>4394512

I think it was helpful somewhat in the end,
one on right was from today, from ref though

>>4393676
It's an attempt. You're not ready for work like this, but attempts still count.

This is a mish mash of symbol painting and poor understanding of how it all works. You need to focus more, and put as much attention to everything, as you did to the breasts. Starting with form - the pose looks awkward, and like she has a broken neck. The upper arm and shoulder are not a straight line like that. Hair has a shape, and it's not a thick rug like you've fcreated. You have too little mid-values. You have no skills at blending, and transition. You don't understand how things like eyelashes are actually constructed.
Slow down, go back, work more on the foundations, like blending, capturing the form, contour, and breaking out of symbolic representation, especially if you're working from a photo. This is above your skill level, you'll get to this kind of work eventually.

>>4393681
Draw bigger.
Draw cleaner lines.
Capture the form better.
This isn't awful, but the small size is causing most of the problems, and you're using the crutch of scribbles standing in for actual details.

That took a bite out of me.. weeep... I can't describe the multitude of colors that are everywhere..

he.-. ahe... but I like the paintings it was worth it

Inspired by the Frank Frazetta urban legend, I'm going to copy every drawing in Bridgman (or at least the ones where I can tell what they are). I'm going to do this with no erasing too, mainly just to keep myself moving. I'm not intending on going super fast, but I don't want to go slow either, so whenever I make mistakes I'll just live with them.
Wish me luck.

>>4393699
Good attempt, but the left hip is too far out. The right leg is awkward. You're too focused on small lines, when you should be looking at the overall contour, and measuring, so you don't make mistakes like the left hip. LOOK at what you're drawing overall, and put as much attention to the whole form and contour as you did public hair. That shows us what your real focus is.

>>4394219
This is bog standard for the beginning weeks of any figure drawing class. Focus on the next session, instead of wallowing in despair posts.

>>4394240
By owning that you are, indeed a beginner, embracing that now is the time for you to learn, and it's payoff is one day being a top pro.
You gotta do the work. If you can't see the finish line for the trees, try something easier to spend your time and money on.

Which book should I start with and which order? Loomis, Bridgman, or what? There's so many that I don't know where to begin.

>>4394658
Learn to measure. Your proportions are all over the place.
Also, LOOK at her face. All you did is draw the eyes and mouth and nose where you think they are, and surrounded it with a head shape. Look at the slight angle to her head - but you drew it straight on. You're missing big things, focusing on the small details. And, where are the shadows in her eye sockets? They are some of the most important features to define the shape and volume of her face.
On top of that, you're symbol drawing as well. Look at her eyelashes. They are fine, with barely any liner, if at all. Your drawing? Thick, and with liner. That's symbol drawing, you think eyelashes are supposed to be thick, with liner. Look at what's actually there, it's right in front of you.

>>4394240
>How do you deal with being a /beg/ when you see what the top pros can do?
Learn from them.

>>4394240
>How many tens of thousands of hours would it take to reach their level?

Like a month or two. It's drawing, not rocket science.

>>4394240
>How can you avoid losing all hope?

Get better.

>>4394240
Idk man, I find drawing and art to be fun to do. Hardly care about what pros can do or how below them I am skill-wise, I just want to get better than I am already, and make stuff I find pleasing. Pleasing both in themes and looks.

>>4394658
Shapes. Draw the shapes correctly. Proportions you can always fix but shapes are forever.

>>4393676
For being without ref it's actually not bad.
However I've seen your work for a while and what it always has in common is that you don't seems to know how to properly use the burshes as not to end up with a muddy mess.
My advice would be to go through ctrl+paints vids on brush control and blending and use those methods to reduce visible brushmarks.

>>4394867
I thought visible brushmarks add soul.

>>4394847
I agree with everything you've said, but I would like to explain myself on some things you've brought up

I started with the loomis ball, and drew the features where theyre meant to be with the ball. I did correct my mistake here >>4394727
I fucked up on the tilt of the head, but i didnt just draw the features and then add a head around it. that's clearly what it looks like though so ill try and improve that

I did actually try to add shadow to the eye sockets, but i wanted to err on the side of caution by not making them too large or obvious because i thought female faces are supposed to have softer value changes. I have some understanding of the facial structure which i tried to apply in pic related, i just struggle a lot more with it when using pencil i think.

as for the eyes and eyelashes, I drew them fine initially, and it didnt look very good to me, so i made the decision to make them thicker. I was following this girls tutorials for facial features https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KYtsicYVuE

Im not trying to make excuses for it being shitty, more trying to explain my thought process and why its ended up that way. Thank you for taking the time to critique it

>>4394869
They can if made deliberately, however not being able to control the medium and being at it's mercy = soulless

am I doing this right?

>>4393811

ngmi

>>4394832
Can you tell me about this legend? I admire Frazetta’s work very much.

>>4393869

you don't blindly copy. you analyze.

>>4394832
People say he copied every drawing in Constructive Anatomy in one night.

>>4394938
Meant for >>4394924

>>4394833
>LOOK at what you're drawing overall, and put as much attention to the whole form and contour

Good advice keeping in mind the whole form. I was definitely focused too much on making lines.

>>4394841
Vilppu. Vilppu videos. Vilppu poster on your wall. Vilppu should be your one true god.

>>4394941
You have to be 18 to post here.

>>4394965
Silence, dog. I'm 19.

>>4394961
Did Loomis fell off or something?

Construction + focused on creating forms instead of lines like >>4394833 suggests.

>>4394639
very kind of you

>>4394982

Ganbatte ne Korona-chan! You can do it korona-chan! Do your best!

>>4394639
Absolutely not.

>>4394922
Thanks for the (You) bitch

>>4394995

you're welcome cunt

>>4394969
yeah, sure

>>4395048
What the fuck is your problem
I felt angry and drew based on it
Leave me alone you slave

Open to critiques
A main OC for an action storyboard but still wanna improve the design

>>4394941

Not bad :)

>>4395058
why is she half bald?

>>4395062

>>4395064
don't

>>4395066
skinheads top style

how do I draw / paint / feel the form / loomis/ compose / line art / wacoom

>>4395058
What's the Synopsis of her character? I can do better critiques if i know what's intended or not.

>>4395074
Blog?

>>4395075
storyboard concept is super simple
ESCAPE and CHASE
so I'm thinking of making another character (male) who is more square plus has more armour than her, chasing and fighting in a stone hallway.
I'm thinking she is a gladiator/prisoner running away from a guard

why my arms from memory shit

>>4395078
Katsunei on twitter
Expect cringe

>>4395075
She also has a hemlet she loses early in the fight

>>4395079
>>4395083
>gladiator/prisoner running away from a guard
Add some broken chains to her leg or arms
If she only has a one handed axe, give her a shield or make the axe longer.
Also change the axe head so it doesn't look a wood chopping axe.

Because it's a fantasy setting i assume, I can't really say much on the armor because it's aesthetics over realism, but the spats are very weird.

>>4395098
any ideas other than spats?
I really couldnt think of anything else

>>4395101
I guess it's fine enough, the top half of her body is already heavy enough. Maybe put wrap some bandages around one of her legs or something.
Her arms are a little long though.

>>4395123
thanks thanks anon u been a big help

>>4395129
No worries. Post the updated version when you can.

how long will it take me to be as good as this >>603956

how long will it take me to be as good as this anon
>>>/i/603956

>>4395201
it's beyond your reach

>>4395206
so i should kill myself immediately then

>>4395204
Nice, something to reach for.

>>4395206
What even was that?

>>4395208
how
much
longer

>>4395210
anon fucked up his crossboard link

oh no

>>4395080
That's not too bad. But I think you're trying to do too much. Start with basic shapes in perspective and build the anatomy on top of it in layers. Use multiple layers.

Eye see nothing.

Complete and absolute /beg/ here.
Whats some base-level advice to start thinking about shading on a human figure?
I've got a item that I've been drawing out for the last couple days trying to get to the point where I at least absorb some of the concepts involved but am having trouble with shading and depth since I'm not really sure how to think about it aside from "think about where the light is coming from". I was looking through the shading thread but it seemed to be more about technique rather than the concept.
How do I think about this, pick colors, and make shadows the proper size?

Look I just think butts are aesthetically pleasing and I like drawing them, okay?

>>4395242
Watch Vilppu talking about modelling tone.

>>4395236
whats a layer?

>>4395265
Blog?

why are lines still shitty

>>4395248
there's no need to justify what you choose draw. You do you, friend

>>4395270
Because you're not feeling the form. There are no lines in real life only form.

I've fallen and I can't get up

>>4395270
The lines are shitty because there isn't good line weight placement.

>>4395270
blog?

>>4395308
what is a blog?

Nosebro, i summon you, since when do you draw?

>>4395265
hnng. Only still in /beg/ because you probably refuse to neatly finish a piece.

>>4395320
It's a secret ingredient in making your artwork look good.

Just starting pen and ink sketching, this is my first one ever...please be honest

>>4395248
If you do, make sure to learn the triangle above it.

>>4395348
your razor spilled hair all over it, brush it off and retake the picture

I need to vent. Faces are fucked. I can't tell what angle it's at. I can't see the planes for shit because the transitions are so smooth. 1 pixel off placement and it looks mutated. If it's at an angle you're doubly fucked. If it's at an angle and tilted you're triple fucked. This is the hardest thing to draw ever on this entire planet.

>>4395372
Still better than my work

>>4394976
sacks of potatoes are fashionable right now evidently

>>4395242
rudy de reyna how to draw what you see is good for raw /beg/s trying to handle light.

guys have any tips on making anime show or manga

>>4393679
it definitely is acquired... I couldn't truly feel the form the first 2 years of drawing... I stopped for 3 years then when I started again I could suddenly feel it...

Its a lifelong journey... just need patience

>>4395424
Draw continuously for 10 years first.

>>4395270
Because you're not using the Apple Pencil on the Apple iPad Pro 12.9.

>>4393830
what a retard... know the rules before you break them is a basic principle of drawing good stylized stuff

>>4394969
<23 is underageb&

>>4393906
>this whole thread

>>4395437
Saved. Good job on capturing /ic/ anon.

>>4393916
cute!

serious issues with the form proportions/anatomy but you'll figure it out eventually! keep at it, your style is appealing...

>>4395237
Your irises are shit, study eye refs.

>>4395437
Kek

>>4394042
It is Junji Ito's longest continuous story, every chapter revolves around spirals, its very very interesting, and creepy, as expected of his work...

If you haven't read it you absolutely should... at least if u consider yourself a decent human being capable of intelligent thought and not a shittaste mongoloid...

>>4393916
Nice colors

>>4394512
you absolutely seem to understand what you are drawing anon... keep at it, of course that drawing from life is useful if you want to draw from imagination, helps you understand perspective and form.

>>4395430
>know the rules before you break them is a basic principle of drawing good stylized stuff
Funny how that's only a rule here in the west.

>>4395498
Truly the only way to figure out how to use two blacks dots to represent a nose in an aesthetically pleasing manner is to grind nose anatomy for thousands of hours. Sasuga Asians.

>>4395498
>>4395519
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
YOU HAVE TO GRIND BOXES AND LOOMIS HEADS FOR YEARS BEFORE YOU CAN DRAW CUTE GIRLS
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

i dont know how to color skin help

>>4394917
Yes keep going you’re on the right path.

>>4395265
Wow very nice anon

>>4395525
look at pictures of people who have skin

>>4395498
Are you saying that the artist on the left has a better grasp of realistic human anatomy than the artist on the right?

>>4395498
clearly left example kinda sucks, animation frames are rushed a lot of the time...

but literal good stylization on right example... what are you even on about...

>>4395519
nobody is saying you have to grind anatomy for a thousand hours, at least that isn't what I was implying with my reply; but you do need understand what you are doing and how things work to make it look nice...

But I mean, if you would rather just box the definition of stylization as doodles that don't require knowledge of fundamentals then please let me know and I'll stop replying to your bait...

>>4395064
Worst haircut ever

>>4395519
Yep you only need to be a short dicked slanted eye gook like Kami-Miura-sama who knew how to perfectly draw by the young age of 57 years old.

>>4395544
I think a lot of these arguments happen because people end up talking past each other.
"You should know how stuff works." What does that mean?
If it means, "you should at least look at an anatomy diagram to know what goes where", then yeah, spending at least some time looking at anatomy books is helpful. It certainly never hurt anyone.
If it means "you should adopt the specific methods of a specific teacher like Loomis or Hampton" or "you shpuld be able to fully render realistic figures before attempting stylization", then I think those things are false.
"Know how stuff works" could mean a zillion different things. Some of which are helpful to people whose goal is stylization/animation from imagination, and some of them not so helpful, or indeed actively harmful, as they can send you down a rabit hole that distracts you from more useful activities. So when you tell someone "learn how stuff works", you really should specify what that means in terms of an actionable study plan.

>>4395540
What I'm trying to say is that in the end it doesn't matter how much anatomical knowledge you have if you don't know how to apply it in an aesthetically pleasing way.
This is what most /beg/s get wrong.
Yes, you need to have a basic understanding of anatomy.
But that won't teach you how to actually draw.
The only way to learn how to actually draw is by looking at other people's drawings.
This is something that the east has figured out years ago but somehow we here in the west don't understand or maybe don't want to understand because we think that copying is somehow wrong despite the fact that all art is derivative.

>>4395498
Steven Universe is drawn by a South Korean studio you dummy

>>4395567
The storyboarding is done by a westfag though.
Hence why the 1 episode where they had a japanese guy storyboard the episode looked amazing despite being done by the same studio and the same animators.
Really shows how important storyboarding is, especially when you outsource.

>>4395562
> it doesn't matter how much anatomical knowledge you have if you don't know how to apply it in an aesthetically pleasing way.
anons are jerking off over in depth bone studies while nips are studying what's important

>>4395567
And the art style and character designs were invented by American Jews.
Doesn't matter how good the individual animators are, if you give them a shit framework to work within then the end result will still be shit.

>>4395554
Yeah oda never took art classes and made figure drawing from reality and is the most successful mangaka!!

>it's another "do I need to learn how to x to be able to draw anime?" episode

>>4395570
Is this hitokaku?

>>4395576
it's >>4381680

>>4395570
Ah yes. Much better to have what are basically presets instead of gaining knowledged of the body increasing your range and flexibility as an artist

>>4395574
I never said don't draw figures from reality you god damn dumb fucking nigger are you capable of fucking reading.
"Fully rendering" != "drawing".

I swear it I'm getting out of this hellhole and I'm never returning, I'll grind loomis and boxes till I can't feel my arms anymore.

cya never again fellow /begs/

It's another "eternal /beg/s getting BTFOd by animechads" episode

>>4395578
Post your work so we can see your flexibility and range

>>4395580
See you tomorrow.

>>4395578
That's sort of how drawing gets done though. Even pros spend a lot of time drawing "presets" that they've committed to memory. If they have to draw a completely unfamiliar pose they'll probably try and find a reference. Why do you think photobashing and tracing over 3D models are so popular? Did all those pros just not grind fundies enough?
I'm not saying that drawing from pure imagination/first principles is impossible. I'm just saying that you're naive to think that if you just had enough knowledge then it would be easy to draw any pose from first principles. People learn to draw with more of a machine learning approach than a propositional knowledge approach. You train yourself on a massive set of references and then your brain starts working out patterns. You don't just download anatomy blueprints into your head and then you can draw anything like a 3D modeling program.

>>4395592
At this point I'm honestly just done with /ic/.
I've been telling them this for such a long fucking time and people still don't understand this basic principle.
YOU ALWAYS SYMBOL DRAW WHEN YOU'RE DRAWING FROM IMAGINATION!
You just need to aquire better symbols.

>>4395554
yeah retard, how stuff works as in, study from reference; it could a be a lot of things depending on what you want to draw

>>4395592
You don't just download anatomy blueprints into your head and then you can draw anything like a 3D modeling program.
oh god, this is how these maniacs think it works isn't it

>>4393695
>get a gf
>convince her to have sex with you
>get undressed
>literally feel the form
>then draw
you mustn't have sex though it would be a huge distraction.just draw as you hover your hand around her skin.If this fails and you cant get a gf.
>get an escort
>pay her
>feel the form

>>4395571
Just because it isnt anime doesnt mean the character designs are bad.

>>4395602
You're right, they're bad for different reasons.

>>4395340
>>4395532
Thanks, I like quick drawing .

Trying that face again. This time really REALLY desperately trying to feel the form. Giving the form feeling 110% over here.

How does one get good without devolving like pic-related?

>>4395612
FUNDIES
U
N
D
I
E
S

Seriously how retarded are the people in this threads, everyone just skips the sticky

>>4395620
no meme answers thank you

>>4395620
No YOU'RE the retarded one.
The point is that the left drawing is better. A taste in colors and design that awful is not fixed by Loomis heads and boxes. Jesus fucking christ.

>>4395624
literally giving u the only valid answer and u would rather ignore it... alright, off this shit hole.

>>4395635
It's a cop out answer and a complete obfuscation.

>>4395640
my nigga if u follow the sticky and draw every day u will never stray off the path of soul and appeal!

also consum lots of media, find out what u consider appealing and try to emulate it in your works

>>4395620
>>4395635
pyw fundie-kun

>>4395620
>>4395635
pyw

>>4395601
Gustav klimt used to do this (using prostitutes as model) but he had sex in between drawing session.

>>4395657
>>4395664

you can also look at >>4395365

>>4393565
how do i go about doing so?

whats a fundie

I'm trying a big ambitious scene as a way to learn faster and step out of my comfort zone.

Inb4 furry, it's a Khajit, it's meant to be a scene from Oblivion taking place in Bravil.

Anatomy isn't strictly realistic, I'm going for 6 heads tall.

I'd appreciate all critique, redlining or advice, even rude.

>>4395612
Real life. Draw from real life. If you're a furry, draw real animals. If you draw people, draw real humans - preferably live models, but nude photos can work if you're broke. If you draw machines, find photos of real machines.

Devolution comes from detachment from real life, and valuing gimmicks (like the eyeburn sparkle coloring in your picture) over improvement of foundations.

>>4395778
Foundations. Anatomy, perspective, life drawing, and so on.

>>4395883
>Foundations. Anatomy, perspective, life drawing, and so on.
so i just draw people and learn perspective?

>>4395891
And keep doing that. Nobody ever stops learning, and you should probably never stop life drawing. If you're a beginner, I recommend doing at least https://line-of-action.com/ exercise daily.

>>4395897
yeah i have been doing that i'm just not sure if i will get good just by doing this or do i need to learn every part of the human anatomy and know how to put it together from imagination

>>4395428
>>4395424
already done that

>>4395904
post your work

>>4395877
>Anatomy isn't strictly realistic, I'm going for 6 heads tall.
I love how you paid attention to the six heads thing while ignoring everything else about anatomy.
The proportions of every single body part except for the left guy's legs is wrong.
I'll redline later today when I have time.

>>4395916
now post your work, scrub!

>>4395877
WOW!! its EPIC...

do you have a blog?

>>4393830
You absolute retard

>>4395657
>>4395664
put it on record these crabs got shut down; fundies r da way

>>4395883
greatly worded my fren

>>4394938
I believe it. He is known to have completed masterpieces from start to finish in a single overnight sitting and then sleeping for like 18 hours after.

could someone draw the pink lines for the three poses here? i have no idea where the torso ones go in image 2 and 3

>>4395337
ive drawn roughly 1800 hours worth across 6 years

>>4396840
its me.

>>4396841
is that a tail? i don't get it

>>4396849
poorly done energy orb